Ludicrous rule at All Star Slots!

[WonderingSpirit]

I read the reps reply,and I still dont get it.

What exactly is wrong with us?

Beetween the lines that sounds to me like the scandinavians are unwanted, because a percentage of those decides to quit while they are ahead.

How do you abuse a bonus, if you meet the requirements?
How do you abuse a bonus if you dont meet the requirements?

Will you put a 100x wagering rule on every player from the Uk, if statistics shows that they have more luck on videoslots than others?

As far as Im concerned the casino has an advantage, no matter how you look at it, but still that is not good enough, so you impose a few additional rules to secure a bigger advantage.

Im glad I read this thread. I have wasted a lot of money on casinos, but it wont be at all stars.

 

[slotheadlizard]

Unfair

I love this casino, but this is unfair no matter how you slice it. It would be hard to make that WR. I feel bad for the groups of people being excluded, the non abusers I mean. It sucks that a few bad apples have ruined it for ya. Being in the US, I know how it feels to be excluded, and not just from online gaming.

 

[thelawnet]

Hello all,

Thank you KasinoKing for starting this thread. There have been a lot of comments and posts and hopefully I will be able to answer these here.

The new Terms and Conditions update was introduced due to high cases of players from the listed Scandinavian countries (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark) displaying a trend in bonus abusing.

Denying players from these countries from being credited bonuses was the first step to counteracting such trends in bonus abuse, which as many of you have noted, is a reasonably understandable update.

The part that has caused controversy in this thread is the decision to place the 50x wagering requirements on their deposits before players from these countries are eligible for a withdrawal. As KasinoKing rightly asks, and as VinylWeatherMan points out:

Scandinavians [or any player at All Star Slots] CANNOT abuse an UNBONUSED first deposit IF THE GAMES ARE FAIR.

This 50x wagering requirement was not introduced to stop any other form of abuse. This 50x wagering requirement was introduced to act as a deterrent to all prospective players from these aforementioned countries and nothing more. Until last nights minor upgrade we simply did not have the ability to exclude players from taking a bonus therefore this acted as a fail safe.

Eh?

Deterrent is "Players from Scandinavian countries (Norway, Finland, Sweden, Iceland and Denmark) are not eligible for any bonuses ". No bonuses means no advantage players, obviously.

No casino in the world has such a requirement for players simply depositing.

It is understandable that the 50x wagering requirements may seem excessively high, however as you all may know, it is far from impossible to surpass these wagering requirements on all our games (a first deposit of $25 would require $1250 of wagering). It also provides a good setting for honest players from these countries who genuinely wish to play at All Star Slots, to prove they are not bonus hunters and abusers.

What are you smoking?

Why would they want to prove they are genuine to play at your sucky casino? So they can line up to deposit again with another absurd wagering requirement?

We have in place an internal policy to individually contact genuine players from these countries and agree individual regular terms if they are fully verified at the managements discretion, similar to something you may find for VIPs in other software. This last point is not something we would normally publish as you can imagine scenarios involving numerous bonus abusers signing up to play as if they are honest, genuine players and then ultimately abusing the system once they are taken off this wagering requirement.

Again, what are you smoking?

Your bonuses are not attractive to advantage players, you offer slots-only bonuses and you don't publish the return of your games.

Why would advantage players lose their money with no deposit on the off-chance you'd make them eligible to claim your crappy slots-only bonuses? There are about 15,000 casinos on the internet. The advantage players already went somewhere else. You don't need to abuse the poor schmucks that are left.

With regards to the wagering requirements following on (re:KasinoKing), we should have stated this clearer. If a player from one of these countries does not reach the wagering requirements and ultimately loses their funds, the wagering requirements do not follow on top of the wagering requirements for their next deposit.

Next deposit?

I would also like to add, since this update to the Terms and Conditions, we have had players from the above countries deposit and withdraw with minimal fuss. All changes to our T&Cs can be seen here: Old / Expired Link so its easy to check.

You changed it 4 days ago. Why?

You said " Until last nights minor upgrade we simply did not have the ability to exclude players from taking a bonus therefore this acted as a fail safe.
"

So you can exclude the Scandinavian players from taking bonuses. So you have no cause to include such a rip-off term.

 

[me_and_ed]

I didnt want to start a new thread and dont want to derail this one however I did promise I would tell when I got paid. First withdrawal including doc verification to my bank account (Canada) with a wire, 5 business days, in my books thats good, speaking on this thread I do not agree with the terms, saying that I am not in a country that has rediculous stipulations. I like the software, was paid without any BS, a good alternative from M/G, RTG and the recently departed Rival.

 

[Nifty29]

This 50x wagering requirement was introduced to act as a deterrent to all prospective players from these aforementioned countries and nothing more.

The way I read it, they dont want players from these countries to play AT ALL...they dont just want to exclude them from claiming a bonus.

In that case, why not just ban them altogether?? It's not like you haven't pi*sed them off already with the 50xD thing, so how would a straight up ban be any different??

I know for one thing you wouldnt have to be dealing with this ever-expanding thread about nasty terms.....every casino has the right to exclude whomever they wish so why not just be upfront about it? I cant play at some casinos, but so what?? I just move on elsewhere.

Players want honesty and simplicity when dealing with online casinos - they dont want to have to wade through pages of terms in case they dont find out they could only play every Tuesday during a hailstorm between 11am and 2pm if the wind is blowing northeast.

On a side note, I like the new games (although cant hit a bonus) and the new paytables - good job!. I also think the bonus system is great and beats the hell out of most others (are you listening Rival???)

 

[jetset]

Wasn't that guy who won the $5.5 M Mega Mollha JP from a Scandinavian country?

You're right - if I remember correctly KlausE was a Finn who won the MM jackpot at Blackjack Ballroom last year.

 

[jetset]

Winward Casino was doing this exact same thing last year before Bryan rogued them here and IIRC they were making the player play their own money thru around something like 30x before they could cash out their own money without even using a bonus. Winbig, Max and myself gave them a purdy hard time over that very issue I believe.

I believe it was discussed in the "Winward Garbage" thread or something like that before Max renamed the thread.

Thanks - missed that one!

 

[Rusty]

So we have heard the software is a decent alternative and payouts are no fuss and reasonably prompt.
The bonus system is better than others also apparently.

All great positive comments but I would still worry about the mindset of a Casino that imposes a 50X WR on a deposit without bonus and comes up with a explanation as lame as the One posted in here.

If they are a new Casino Silc has half a point that they can grow and get better but being new does not excuse them for making BS T&C's.

If they see it is not the way to go and remove it then that will show they are listening and learning and growing.
Perhaps they will learn One simple truth from all of this.
It is up to the Casino to show the player that they are a genuine outfit and not just another rogue not the player to prove to them that they are not a criminal or otherwise.
We give Casinos our business not the other way around

 

[Rusty]

No publicity is bad publicity apparently and so it has proved with this thread.
Being that I like to try new things I thought I would check the slots out here are some of the results.
I am pretty sure that the last 7 (at least) free spin feature with various multipliers failed to pay X10 bet from the resulting spins.

That is not bad luck.

That tells me very quickly that either the games are corrupt or they are tighter than a Ducks Arse. Neither of which really appeals.
All those Free spins and you cant hit X10 bet?

 

[me_and_ed]

No publicity is bad publicity apparently and so it has proved with this thread.
Being that I like to try new things I thought I would check the slots out here are some of the results.
I am pretty sure that the last 7 (at least) free spin feature with various multipliers failed to pay X10 bet from the resulting spins.

That is not bad luck.

That tells me very quickly that either the games are corrupt or they are tighter than a Ducks Arse. Neither of which really appeals.
All those Free spins and you cant hit X10 bet?

I have played here quite a bit now, I have hit many 10x returns which suck but I have also hit a decent amount of 100x + bonus returns as well, the software seems okay to me.

 

[KasinoKing]

No publicity is bad publicity apparently and so it has proved with this thread.
Being that I like to try new things I thought I would check the slots out here are some of the results.
I am pretty sure that the last 7 (at least) free spin feature with various multipliers failed to pay X10 bet from the resulting spins.

That is not bad luck.

That tells me very quickly that either the games are corrupt or they are tighter than a Ducks Arse. Neither of which really appeals.
All those Free spins and you cant hit X10 bet?

Once again Rusty, it's swings & roundabouts!
And you didn't tell us which games you were playing...!

This software reminds me very much of Rival when they first came out - to start with all their slots were very low variance and people complained they weren't getting any big wins. So then they brought out some high variance games... and people complained about often getting poor results from free-spins!
The other similarities to Rival are (in my experience so far) the picking features are often very good and usually pay more than the free-spins! Also I seem to hit features far more often than say MG.
You can't have it all ways; you can't have lots of bonus features which always pay good - there has to be a balance.

Just for you (again), these were the free-spins I had during my recent monthly $50 WR:-
Happliy: Bet x 16.6
Happliy: Bet x 51.0
Happliy: Bet x 50.7
Happliy: Bet x 68.8
Happliy: Bet x 28.5
Spins Played: 112
Keep 'n it: Bet x 101.0
Spins Played: 36
Skool Dayz: Bet x 22.9
Skool Dayz: Bet x 39.0
Skool Dayz: Bet x 19.8
Skool Dayz: Bet x 31.5
Spins Played: 212
Main Course: Bet x 13.2
Spins Played: 245
80's Night: Bet x 2.4
80's Night: Bet x 7.6
80's Night: Bet x 9.8
80's Night: Bet x 35.8
80's Night: Bet x 0.0
80's Night: Bet x 11.6
Spins Played: 263
Divin for Pearls: Bet x 9.1
Divin for Pearls: Bet x 7.2
Divin for Pearls: Bet x 5.5
Divin for Pearls: Bet x 4.2
Spins Played: 133

I cashed out $100 profit, which makes up for one of my earlier lost deposits at least.
I really like the new & upgraded slots; still some room for improvement, but a whole lot better than their first batch!

KK

 

[Rusty]

Amazing that you compared them with Rival KK because I saw similarities too and was going to mention them.
Long sequences of dead spins would be another comparison.

If others have had some decent hits then I guess that is OK but I think it is very unusual to hit so many poor free spin rounds, perhaps they come up much more often but that does not seem obvious either.

The games I played were (sometimes going back to the same One)
80's Night (A real Dog)
Divin' for pearls
Happily ever after
keep 'n it real
Main Course
Sherwood

Looking at your stats KK it seems the bonus rounds generally pay poorly but appear frequently, I experienced the first part but not the Second

 

[Rusty]

OK gave these Guys another try and finally hit the bonus round on cashasaurus after long wait and made my pick.
It said Jackpot and awarded me X20 bet
That is when I found out that the max win on the bonus game slots is X20 bet which makes them fairly pointless.
I followed this disappointment up with winning 15 free spins at 10X bet on Main course.
Unfortunately not a win except for a scatter win

By this time I am convinced the software is rubbish but down to my last $10 and hit fee spins on another slot and won over 300Xbet

So it is possible to hit good wins on the fee spins but you need a lot of luck.

Playing through the games the software seems fair but the slots seem to have quite different payback percentages.
80's Night I am sure is below 70%
I just can not see how you can possibly win on that slot.
Try it on low roll and let me know how you get on.

I can see where the bonus abuse occurred as well but will say no more than that.
I hope they remove that stupid T&C because they have potential if they get their act together.
If the Rep is still around could you tell me how often new games are released, thanks.

 

[catrina m]

We give Casinos our business not the other way around

You would think we spam them begging them to take our deposits.

 

[Rusty]

You would think we spam them begging them to take our deposits.

Indeed

OK I have played this software quite a lot now and there are probably 3 or 4 slots worth playing IMO.
My first Two deposits disappeared quick but I had some good play time on my Third and could of cashed out ahead.

One thing of major concern though is the good old "Off switch" seems to be very much in evidence. (not so different to other platforms then)

Here are my last 2000 spins almost exclusively on One slot broken down into 500 spin segments.
Note on the last 500 I won Free spin rounds 3 times with X10 X5 and X4 Multipliers, all payed Zero!

FS=Free spin rounds won (that payed zero)
Bonus=bonus rounds won
win X3+=wins over 3Xbet (excluding bonus and free spins)
Return%=approximate return from session
win/loss=total $ won or lost from session.
stand out stats in bold


F S (payed 0) Bonus Wins X3+ Return% (aprx) win/loss

.500 .5(0)...........4.......14........101..........+$01
1000 1(0)...........6.......21..........94..........-$06
1500 5(0)...........2.......12..........95..........-$07
2000 3(3) ..........2........3 .........43..........-$92

What you have there is a massive anomaly so obviously there are other factors other than just an RNG at play.

 

[me_and_ed]

Indeed

OK I have played this software quite a lot now and there are probably 3 or 4 slots worth playing IMO.
My first Two deposits disappeared quick but I had some good play time on my Third and could of cashed out ahead.

One thing of major concern though is the good old "Off switch" seems to be very much in evidence. (not so different to other platforms then)

Here are my last 2000 spins almost exclusively on One slot broken down into 500 spin segments.
Note on the last 500 I won Free spin rounds 3 times with X10 X5 and X4 Multipliers, all payed Zero!

FS=Free spin rounds won (that payed zero)
Bonus=bonus rounds won
win X3+=wins over 3Xbet (excluding bonus and free spins)
Return%=approximate return from session
win/loss=total $ won or lost from session.
stand out stats in bold


F S (payed 0) Bonus Wins X3+ Return% (aprx) win/loss

.500 .5(0)...........4.......14........101..........+$01
1000 1(0)...........6.......21..........94..........-$06
1500 5(0)...........2.......12..........95..........-$07
2000 3(3) ..........2........3 .........43..........-$92

What you have there is a massive anomaly so obviously there are other factors other than just an RNG at play.

I asked Denny (AllStar rep) if the game play has been changed in any way, his reply "not that would affect payouts". I have got my ass kicked on my last 3 deposits, not playing anywhere like it used to, could just be a run of bad luck, I am going to give it a couple more deps and see if the gameplay stays this nasty, if so I believe something has been changed.

 

[KasinoKing]

I asked Denny (AllStar rep) if the game play has been changed in any way, his reply "not that would affect payouts". I have got my ass kicked on my last 3 deposits, not playing anywhere like it used to, could just be a run of bad luck, I am going to give it a couple more deps and see if the gameplay stays this nasty, if so I believe something has been changed.

Which games are you playing?
4 of them were updated the week before last.
I think what Denny is saying is that the changes do not effect the long term return of the slots, but the changes definitely have effected the variance!
Since the changes we have seen several x100+ wins in 'Screenshots' - before I don't think there was one!
Naturally this means they are more 'streaky'.

I admit I was sceptical when they first made the changes - but now I think they've made them into much better slots!

 

[me_and_ed]

Which games are you playing?
4 of them were updated the week before last.
I think what Denny is saying is that the changes do not effect the long term return of the slots, but the changes definitely have effected the variance!
Since the changes we have seen several x100+ wins in 'Screenshots' - before I don't think there was one!
Naturally this means they are more 'streaky'.

I admit I was sceptical when they first made the changes - but now I think they've made them into much better slots!

I have to disagree, since the upgrade (after the new release) HEA and Main Course to not give the bonus rounds or the free spins with the same frequency or payouts, now saying that I am sure adjustments were made, last weekend I killed on almost everyone of the new games, it really is very Rivalesque, when Rival came out they made all sorts of gameplay changes, for instance Dog Pound used to be x4 and went to x3 and less games, may paytable and gameplay changes were made without any notification to players and so forth for which I do not agree with. I think this comes more of a disappointment to me than anything else, I still think there is much promise here and I hope they continue to develop and grow their product.

 

[Wizardgaming]

Hi Rusty,

I can assure you that the games are fair.

The RNG has been independently certified.

Many players have had wins. A number are posted in the winner screenshots thread.

With a relatively small amount of spins it's impossible to draw conclusions about overall payouts.

Some play will win and other play won't be as lucky.

The games are fair, and believe me when I say there is so much invested in this software we are not in this to scam a few bucks before everyone realizes the software is rigged.

We are making a longterm investment here and we have taken many steps to ensure player trust.

I posted a number of these when we launched, but they do include, independent RNG certification, operators that are licensed, and our working with reputable operators and being honest and upfront when we change variances on existing games.

 

[Rusty]

Hi Rusty,

I can assure you that the games are fair.

The RNG has been independently certified.

Many players have had wins. A number are posted in the winner screenshots thread.

With a relatively small amount of spins it's impossible to draw conclusions about overall payouts.

Some play will win and other play won't be as lucky.

The games are fair, and believe me when I say there is so much invested in this software we are not in this to scam a few bucks before everyone realizes the software is rigged.

We are making a longterm investment here and we have taken many steps to ensure player trust.

I posted a number of these when we launched, but they do include, independent RNG certification, operators that are licensed, and our working with reputable operators and being honest and upfront when we change variances on existing games.

Obviously the sample I have provided is large and anomalous enough to show that algorithms appear to be running in the background which effects the results alongside the RNG.
(This does not mean the RNG results are not random)
Call it weighting if you like but the chances of the stats I have posted occurring playing the same game are so small that they are very significant even in a small sample.

You will see that I stated I was ahead from this deposit and could of cashed out in front so I am not saying the games are rigged in that respect.
Your software does have many similarities to Rival in that it throws up these blindingly obvious anomalous results though.

You can go on about your RNG until you are Blue in the face but with respect the proof is in the pudding.
I am giving you statistics you are giving me PR.

Your software is no more corrupt than any other software provider but it is no fairer either.

If you want to prove how your games are fair and results are completely independent from all previous results and only generated from a RNG and each virtual reel stop position generated from this RNG has an equal random chance of occurring and any bonus rounds are not predetermined or influenced by past results( I gave the same challenge to Rival which they naturally failed to meet) then simply give me an answer to the following questions.
We will limit these questions to Happily ever after slot from which my stats came.

How many reel stop positions are there on each reel and does this number remain constant?
How many of each symbol occur on each reel?
What changes have you made to alter the variance?

You can save me some Maths by adding the statistical probability of 3,4 and 5 of a kind wins of all symbols(1 winline) including scatters (all lines)

Once again I want to point out I am not saying players can not win at your Casino or the slots are rigged in this way but I am saying that results shown are not the product of natural variability.

We can go some way to prove or disprove this as soon as you supply the answers to my questions.

I feel like I am beating up on the new Guy so I will just add your software does not seem to be doing anything outside of what is apparently standard industry practice and I would not say your games are less fair than Rival, MGS or RTG.
I am pointing out that all of these software appear to use a form of hidden weighting (control) and your software seems no different.

I genuinely wish you every success in the future.

I am always available via pm.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Ive not been keeping up with this thread or casino lately, wasnt their some gripes originally about their being not enough free spin bonuses or multipliers on said spins? Corect me if im wrong but has this been changed now with the recent update because i know (if its the same casino im thinking off) they said they were going to revamp their slots to include things like free spins and multipliers?

 

[Rusty]

Ive not been keeping up with this thread or casino lately, wasnt their some gripes originally about their being not enough free spin bonuses or multipliers on said spins? Corect me if im wrong but has this been changed now with the recent update because i know (if its the same casino im thinking off) they said they were going to revamp their slots to include things like free spins and multipliers?

I believe they have updated (tweaked) their slots and they have a few fun games (This is version 4.0) but you may well be thinking of Rome Casino who took some criticism for using stacked reels and bonus rounds without multipliers etc.
I believe they too have some new slots but as yet have not incorporated virtual reel slots.

PS
All Star have you removed the unfair T&C yet or do you still maintain that a 50XWR restriction on first time deposits without bonus is fair?

 

[silcnlayc]

Ive not been keeping up with this thread or casino lately, wasnt their some gripes originally about their being not enough free spin bonuses or multipliers on said spins? Corect me if im wrong but has this been changed now with the recent update because i know (if its the same casino im thinking off) they said they were going to revamp their slots to include things like free spins and multipliers?

Yes they have "tweaked" a few games to test the waters in a way to see if they are on the right track with players is my thoughts. I played this weekend in fun mode and was up by 125% from starting funds down to zilch so you can win...but lets remember ,

You will see that I stated I was ahead from this deposit and could of cashed out in front so I am not saying the games are rigged in that respect.

it is no ones fault but our own if we do not withdraw our winnings..and to blame the games for sucking us dry is not right either after running a winning session and not stopping....

How many reel stop positions are there on each reel and does this number remain constant?
How many of each symbol occur on each reel?
What changes have you made to alter the variance?

I might be a dummy in regards to casino etiquette? , but no where have I ever seen at land based casino give up so much information as some are asking here...is this normal for a casino to show all this info on their games online???

It really seems a little much to me but like I said, I might be a dummy in the realm of casinos online but I feel that is a LOT to ask for IMO...it's feels like one is asking for giving away a secret recipe or something....I have never gotten a brochure from any casino showing ANY of this information (I think some are calling this transparency?) so why does anyone think online casinos should? Just wondering...and to have to PROVE something that is unprovable is like asking for a piece of cheese from the moon...again IMOO...because proving something to one person might night be proof to another..so it is a lose lose situation for any casino when asked to do this...IMO...

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[Rusty]

Yes they have "tweaked" a few games to test the waters in a way to see if they are on the right track with players is my thoughts. I played this weekend in fun mode and was up by 125% from starting funds down to zilch so you can win...but lets remember , it is no ones fault but our own if we do not withdraw our winnings..and to blame the games for sucking us dry is not right either after running a winning session and not stopping.... I might be a dummy in regards to casino etiquette? , but no where have I ever seen at land based casino give up so much information as some are asking here...is this normal for a casino to show all this info on their games online???

It really seems a little much to me but like I said, I might be a dummy in the realm of casinos online but I feel that is a LOT to ask for IMO...it's feels like one is asking for giving away a secret recipe or something....I have never gotten a brochure from any casino showing ANY of this information (I think some are calling this transparency?) so why does anyone think online casinos should? Just wondering...and to have to PROVE something that is unprovable is like asking for a piece of cheese from the moon...again IMOO...because proving something to one person might night be proof to another..so it is a lose lose situation for any casino when asked to do this...IMO...

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My points are addressed and in response to Wizzard gaming.
Are you a Wizzard gaming representative?

No One was blaming anyone for anything so don't bother trying to make an irrelevant point seem relevant by using emotive language.

Your secret recipe argument is ridiculous by the way but I note it is One used in the past by software representatives.

You are correct though that few if any publicise the relevant information on their slots such as probability of outcome or percentage return.

The question though is not why should they (that should be obvious)
The question is why don't they?

Where is the banging your head against a brick wall smiley when you need it?

Nothing personal (I mean that)
I think the fact that your post got thanked by Wizzard sums it all up.

 

[Wizardgaming]

Obviously the sample I have provided is large and anomalous enough to show that algorithms appear to be running in the background which effects the results alongside the RNG.
(This does not mean the RNG results are not random)
Call it weighting if you like but the chances of the stats I have posted occurring playing the same game are so small that they are very significant even in a small sample.

You will see that I stated I was ahead from this deposit and could of cashed out in front so I am not saying the games are rigged in that respect.
Your software does have many similarities to Rival in that it throws up these blindingly obvious anomalous results though.

You can go on about your RNG until you are Blue in the face but with respect the proof is in the pudding.
I am giving you statistics you are giving me PR.

Your software is no more corrupt than any other software provider but it is no fairer either.

If you want to prove how your games are fair and results are completely independent from all previous results and only generated from a RNG and each virtual reel stop position generated from this RNG has an equal random chance of occurring and any bonus rounds are not predetermined or influenced by past results( I gave the same challenge to Rival which they naturally failed to meet) then simply give me an answer to the following questions.
We will limit these questions to Happily ever after slot from which my stats came.

How many reel stop positions are there on each reel and does this number remain constant?
How many of each symbol occur on each reel?
What changes have you made to alter the variance?

You can save me some Maths by adding the statistical probability of 3,4 and 5 of a kind wins of all symbols(1 winline) including scatters (all lines)

Once again I want to point out I am not saying players can not win at your Casino or the slots are rigged in this way but I am saying that results shown are not the product of natural variability.

We can go some way to prove or disprove this as soon as you supply the answers to my questions.

I feel like I am beating up on the new Guy so I will just add your software does not seem to be doing anything outside of what is apparently standard industry practice and I would not say your games are less fair than Rival, MGS or RTG.
I am pointing out that all of these software appear to use a form of hidden weighting (control) and your software seems no different.

I genuinely wish you every success in the future.

I am always available via pm.

Hi Rusty,

I don't think any vendor whether online or offline is ever going to disclose those kind of game mechanics.

Certainly for security reasons we are limited in terms of what we can disclose about the inner workings of the software itself.

The certificate of RNG certification may be viewed here:

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

So it's not just my PR.

Others have posted great wins in the screenshot thread.

Ultimately, proving anything 100% to everyone is not feasible.

As a professor of stats once said to open his stats class for the year:

"There are lies, damn lies and there are statistics."