LeoVegas: New Low?

[Playford7]

Is it real money. Either way Leo Vegas arent promoting "Responsible Gambling"

I noticed Nickslots getting quite agitated the other day on a losing streak. Also noticed him posting a lot of screenshots from an ipad. He must be playing constantly.

Also just realised I know theslotbandit from old, from anothet forum I used to frequent. And he is about the most genuine one I know about. Ive seen him feed FOBTS £1000's and stroll around a Ladbrokes with a bin on his head. So seeing him lose £500 doest bother me too much .

At the end of the day we are all paying for these guys to play. They make a fortune from our losses. Thebandit seems very generous with his giveaways.

But back on topic. I dont think it should be happening as its irresponsible

Some certainly play massive 'off stream' the losses are never ever mentioned though as that's bad for business.
But the huge win vids are posted upon YouTube happily, another case of not portraying online slot play genuinely.
And yes agree with you on the bandit, he gives away a hell of a lot more than most, and is probably the most honest, he's decent.
I mean some promise 10% of a £1000 cashout and don't do it.
The bandit will happily post losing a fortune, that's a real genuine non business player, as he earns a living elsewhere from online slots.
And agree totally, to happily promote your links, donations etc... whilst pissed and begging for more bonuses from a casino is just bad bad taste.
I had a account with Leo Vegas. I havnt anymore, responsible gambling my arse...it's a crock of shit as this clearly proves.

 

[Playford7]

Not having a dig here and only using your quote as it was last one.

But i read quite a lot about as they are not losing more than they can afford then its okay.

But how the hell can any1 watching any stream possibly know whether a person is gambling beyond their means or not.

I could stream every day gambling a fortune and keep telling people its okay as i am filthy rich. How can anyone possibly tell whether or not i am losing money i can not afford to lose.

Noone is exactly going to sit streaming big bets whilst telling the viewers they are up to their necks in debt with no way out. Obviously they will all say they can afford it.

And for many people that can afford it its still a slippery slope. To be spending fortunes every day on a stream and placing huge bets they might be able to afford is still dangerous.

Gamblings so addictive and the problems start once you start losing all the time and losing loads. Thats when you see if like yourself streamers stop or keep going. If they keep going at crazy bets then it could end up a total disaster for them.

Nice post there. This gambling beyond there means rubbish is just there way of tying not to promote irresponsible gambling, which is in essence what most and for the benefit of some do all the time...

 

[ritae]

Having a skim through the forementioned video I found it disheartening to be honest. The begging for bonuses on the live chat at the end in particular. I clicked on another video by the same user who opened the stream stating he had lost over 30 deposits in a row at leovegas and had to borrow money to pay his rent. Doesn't that ring alarm bells with gambling responsibly?

This thread may be rep friendly but i cant see leovegas replying anytime soon as they have to much to lose if they cancel the deal they have with this letsgiveitaspin streaming.

Anyway happy sunday!

 

[Playford7]

Having a skim through the forementioned video I found it disheartening to be honest. The begging for bonuses on the live chat at the end in particular. I clicked on another video by the same user who opened the stream stating he had lost over 30 deposits in a row at leovegas and had to borrow money to pay his rent. Doesn't that ring alarm bells with gambling responsibly?

This thread may be rep friendly but i cant see leovegas replying anytime soon as they have to much to lose if they cancel the deal they have with this letsgiveitaspin streaming.

Anyway happy sunday!

Another good post on the subject. glad I'm not the only one with my opinions on the matter.

 

[xxshepxx]

Having a skim through the forementioned video I found it disheartening to be honest. The begging for bonuses on the live chat at the end in particular. I clicked on another video by the same user who opened the stream stating he had lost over 30 deposits in a row at leovegas and had to borrow money to pay his rent. Doesn't that ring alarm bells with gambling responsibly?

This thread may be rep friendly but i cant see leovegas replying anytime soon as they have to much to lose if they cancel the deal they have with this letsgiveitaspin streaming.

Anyway happy sunday!

Wasn't aware of the borrowing to pay rent one.

"Should" be an instant exclusion from the site for that sort of irresponsible play.

As much as I mentioned Nickslots playing a lot more at higher and higher stakes,...thay coinsides with the viewer/sign-up revenue he is generating.

I dont care about watching these guys lose what they can afford to. But for someone to openly admit they gambled their rent money away is ridiculous practice and he should be banned.

 

[Playford7]

Wasn't aware of the borrowing to pay rent one.

"Should" be an instant exclusion from the site for that sort of irresponsible play.

As much as I mentioned Nickslots playing a lot more at higher and higher stakes,...thay coinsides with the viewer/sign-up revenue he is generating.

I dont care about watching these guys lose what they can afford to. But for someone to openly admit they gambled their rent money away is ridiculous practice and he should be banned.

Yep the raise in stakes clearly shows a higher sign up revenue. The bigger stakes the more viewers, what gets me is some of these streamers (some for the benefit of others) state they have other jobs, when you check out these jobs on companies house etc it shows they earn nothing, only what they earn via there streams...
It's just lies. That's what makes me so passionate about it, if ur a bandit who's honest and decent great, if ur a paul who's loaded also great, it's the other wannabes who lie constantly on stream to take people's cash in the most immoral ways that pain me.

 

[JkG]

I'm all ears!.. sex and slots!... where do I find such a repulsive stream!...

This made me lol

 

[BrianGhattas]

I have wondered about those legit live slot machine players, the ones who film in a casino and upload everything on YT. Do they hemorrhage cash or gamble while at a deficit by continuing to create content for their subscribers? Some of them have video almost everyday of themselves playing slots at medium to high stakes. We all know that unless you win the massive progressive you're going to lose at slots every year. YT ad revenue isn't going to cover the losses and they make no other money from their videos. I have to question the financial gain of it.

 

[lockinlove]

Is he sponsored by them? If he is then leo vegas should be reeling him in. If not, well nothing can be done and Kim will do what he wants. Or maybe he does what he wants either way. I personally think its a great way to promote responsible gambling to be honest. Who in the world wants to be a drunk slobbering gambler begging for money and bonuses because they have lost so much. I would think this would show his viewers to never do it.

I remember when his channel first started. It was pretty neat. Now its gotten just way to businesslike. I mean seriously, the last couple times ive clicked on his stream, hes wearing suits and stuff now and looks to be streaming in an office setting? I dont know, maybe im wrong I dont twitch anymore.

 

[goatwack]

Not to pour fuel on the fire but IIRC about 6 months ago there was another vulgar live stream where sexual acts (being polite here) were also being performed,

Not a prude but I will visit "other sites" if ever I need to fulfill any shortfalls in that department, I do not expect it during a slotting stream.

Can't recall if it was this guy or not so will leave it there. (No accusations either before the pitchforks appear)

Trust you Jon to come up with that

What were they streaming....Immortal Bone-mans?

Big Bang?

Thunderfist??

 

[Jasminebed]

You'd think someone doing £180 a spin would be able to afford it, drunk or not. So whilst morally dubious, if a streamer wants to entertain the masses doing crazy bets then that's up to them!

Nor would I envisage LeoVegas or any other casino preventing them from doing so, why would they?

I

I'm not a streamer, and I'll admit I was drunk at the time, but up by several thousand dollars when I got betting $180 a spin over a year ago. I couldn't afford it, but it become unreal in some sense when your bankroll is in the thousands. I was lucky enough to win.

Haven't made a bet that big since, although there's a few $100 bets in there, most of which ended well, and a lot of $20 - $30 which did not.

If your deposit is within your means, anything you lose when betting big is just your initial deposit.

Not having a dig here and only using your quote as it was last one.

But i read quite a lot about as they are not losing more than they can afford then its okay.

But how the hell can any1 watching any stream possibly know whether a person is gambling beyond their means or not.

I could stream every day gambling a fortune and keep telling people its okay as i am filthy rich. How can anyone possibly tell whether or not i am losing money i can not afford to lose.

Noone is exactly going to sit streaming big bets whilst telling the viewers they are up to their necks in debt with no way out. Obviously they will all say they can afford it.

And for many people that can afford it its still a slippery slope. To be spending fortunes every day on a stream and placing huge bets they might be able to afford is still dangerous.

Gamblings so addictive and the problems start once you start losing all the time and losing loads. Thats when you see if like yourself streamers stop or keep going. If they keep going at crazy bets then it could end up a total disaster for them.

It's hard to step back to smaller bets. And for streamers, their audience does not want to watch them take a $30 deposit up to $400 for the largest part on low bets.

The video was over 4 hours long, I couldn't watch the whole thing to comment about it specifically.

But i do think that streamers and the business they bring to a casino influences the bonuses and cashback a casino will give to them, because a customer is worth what they bring to a casino.

 

[interlog]

Not having a dig here and only using your quote as it was last one.

But i read quite a lot about as they are not losing more than they can afford then its okay.

But how the hell can any1 watching any stream possibly know whether a person is gambling beyond their means or not.

I could stream every day gambling a fortune and keep telling people its okay as i am filthy rich. How can anyone possibly tell whether or not i am losing money i can not afford to lose.

Noone is exactly going to sit streaming big bets whilst telling the viewers they are up to their necks in debt with no way out. Obviously they will all say they can afford it.

And for many people that can afford it its still a slippery slope. To be spending fortunes every day on a stream and placing huge bets they might be able to afford is still dangerous.

Gamblings so addictive and the problems start once you start losing all the time and losing loads. Thats when you see if like yourself streamers stop or keep going. If they keep going at crazy bets then it could end up a total disaster for them.

The same can be said for those contributing here, or on other gambling related forums for that matter. We seen it here, posters admitting to losing too much money and asking to be put in the quit gambling forum.

With any gambling, whether it is on stream, via Youtube bonus compilation videos (which is no different to live streams other than that the non bonus spins are cut out) or in the privacy of your house you should set your budget and once that is gone it is gone. Doesn't mean you have a gambling addiction though. That budget can last two streams / compilation videos but it can also last 100 of them.

Look at the winners screen shot section of this forum. Now that could be equated to irresponsible gambling too because most of the time it isn't mentioned how much money was invested to get that big win. It could be argued that those new to gambling see those big win pictures and videos and think, hey that is easy money, lets have a punt.

 

[Dinahnana]

Firstly I wouldn't call the Bandit a streamer as he uploads high and lowlights of his sessions on his you tube channel and I agree he is awesome and funny and very honest. There are a couple of streamers particularly Paul who never takes donations unless he is doing a charity stream and he is too very honest about his gambling. I also like Nick because he is entertaining a few others who are on CM as well.

What I don't agree with is casinos having different rules for streamers versus the ordinary players as it can be confusing to a newbie who is persuaded to sign up via the link. The streamers ought to put a disclaimer in the description stating that max bet rules etc. are different for them or at least post a link to the bonus t&c's instead of just mentioning it on stream from time to time. That is my only beef with streaming in general. The other streams I don't like so I don't watch, simples

PS Does anybody know what happened to Casino Twitcher is he Ok?

 

[Jono777]

PS Does anybody know what happened to Casino Twitcher is he Ok?

He is currently taking a lengthy break from streaming (not sure of reason why, maybe just a general rest/break) AFAIK he is fine, he has been making the odd post recently here on CM, usually letting us know about an upcoming new slot release

 

[Dinahnana]

He is currently taking a lengthy break from streaming (not sure of reason why, maybe just a general rest/break) AFAIK he is fine, he has been making the odd post recently here on CM, usually letting us know about an upcoming new slot release

As long as he is okay then that is fine. Thanks Jonjo

 

[BrianGhattas]

@osulle

CT feels the streaming going on today is not something he wants to be a part of now. He only wants to gamble on it, not promote companies, ask people to join said casino he plays at and/or line his pockets with donations. People are giving up streaming because the top dogs now are businessmen looking to make money for their casinos.

 

[deucebag]

As a slots player and someone who has in the past limited my online gambling as I felt I was playing too much, I feel it is only right to express my view on something I witnessed last night.

I was watching a steamer called LetsGiveItASpin on the twitch platform who for nearly 5 hours was drunken gambling. As the alcohol continued to flow, the bets increased. On the video slots he was playing 2000 SEK which is £179 per spin and when he ran out of money, he went on support live chat to demand deposit bonuses many many times who were only too happy to oblige.

It was painful watching a grown man bang the desk, knock glasses over and curse loudly as thousand upon thousand emptied from his account. Bare in mind this went on for hours, deposit after deposit. When he was doing £600 hands on BJ I couldn't watch anymore - I literally felt sick.

I haven't seen the video, but if he was betting those amounts with a bonus he violated the max bet rule in the bonus terms. Surely the casino was aware of his play if he was betting that much -- did they inform him that he was in violation of the terms? Or was this basically a freeroll for the casino.

 

[Playford7]

I haven't seen the video, but if he was betting those amounts with a bonus he violated the max bet rule in the bonus terms. Surely the casino was aware of his play if he was betting that much -- did they inform him that he was in violation of the terms? Or was this basically a freeroll for the casino.

Most streamers are allowed to bet over the max bet rule when using a bonus mate, just a perk of streaming.

 

[Jd666]

I dropped in on a streamer this morning.
Someone asked in chat what they did for a living.
Answer was "I'm a proffesional slots player"

Is there such a thing?

I have noticed some of them now going up to silly stakes sometimes, that Roshstein did a 100 Euro bet on Firejoker yesterday, paused and said shall I do one more, took ages for dramatic effect, pressed start and got a 10,000 Euro win WTF.

I do miss Slotsplayer streams (Interlog) as he did sensible stakes, and I started to watch him because he was a member on here.
So I blame him for me wasting a hour on Twitch now and again
I watch Badazzbear as he doesnt go silly usually, dropped in on Chipmonkslots a couple of times but he usually streams on a night so dont see much of him.
Does around 60p stakes.
Would rather watch that than see someone doing 10 and 20 quid stakes.

 

[Playford7]

I dropped in on a streamer this morning.
Someone asked in chat what they did for a living.
Answer was "I'm a proffesional slots player"

Is there such a thing?

I have noticed some of them now going up to silly stakes sometimes, that Roshstein did a 100 Euro bet on Firejoker yesterday, paused and said shall I do one more, took ages for dramatic effect, pressed start and got a 10,000 Euro win WTF.

I do miss Slotsplayer streams (Interlog) as he did sensible stakes.
I watch Badazzbear as he doesnt go silly usually, dropped in on Chipmonkslots a couple of times but he usually streams on a night so dont see much of him.
Does around 60p stakes.
Would rather watch that than see someone doing 10 and 20 quid stakes.

Well I suppose there is if your earning a living from it.

 

[Jd666]

Well I suppose there is if your earning a living from it.

But not from the slots, they are supposed to be random.
Its luck

 

[Playford7]

But not from the slots, they are supposed to be random.
Its luck

Oh it's 150% not the slots themselves, it's the donations and affiliate earnings the streamer gets, the bonus upon bonus's there given that the average player doesn't get and also different terms to everyone that makes it a possibility for these....people to make a living.

 

[deucebag]

Most streamers are allowed to bet over the max bet rule when using a bonus mate, just a perk of streaming.

Perks, eh? Shows what I know, but I don't watch these streams.

With the PR value of such videos, how do we even know they're playing with "real" money? Maybe they have a deals with the casino (undisclosed?) getting them such good bonuses and cashback, they're really only risking a fraction of what their play shows...

 

[Vibroverb]

Perks, eh? Shows what I know, but I don't watch these streams.

With the PR value of such videos, how do we even know they're playing with "real" money? Maybe they have a deals with the casino (undisclosed?) getting them such good bonuses and cashback, they're really only risking a fraction of what their play shows...

That's the first idea that came to my mind, maybe the Casinos are wanting them to show they're staking large amounts for wins so the smaller players can see how it's done....But I'm sure there is a numbers formula for when the PR value of these things gets to the point to where the Casinos are willing to fund it....We know it's all about the money in this industry

 

[Sonict]

I dropped in on a streamer this morning.
Someone asked in chat what they did for a living.
Answer was "I'm a proffesional slots player"

Is there such a thing?

I have noticed some of them now going up to silly stakes sometimes, that Roshstein did a 100 Euro bet on Firejoker yesterday, paused and said shall I do one more, took ages for dramatic effect, pressed start and got a 10,000 Euro win WTF.

I do miss Slotsplayer streams (Interlog) as he did sensible stakes, and I started to watch him because he was a member on here.
So I blame him for me wasting a hour on Twitch now and again
I watch Badazzbear as he doesnt go silly usually, dropped in on Chipmonkslots a couple of times but he usually streams on a night so dont see much of him.
Does around 60p stakes.
Would rather watch that than see someone doing 10 and 20 quid stakes.

People say I'm a professional slots player, but they almost never mean it just because like other people have said... It isn't easy to be ahead on slots and only like one or two streamers that I know are actually ahead on one slot provider. ( Since they are from the USA ).

As for Roshstein... He is known by most of the twitch community to not ever play with any real money and this is the kicker... Doesn't even mention anywhere that he is doing this which is a big no no! so don't worry about him. If I play / stream with play money... I mention it all over the place... In my channel that is. I don't like deception at all.