Just bad luck? I'm starting to think NOT!!

[thebizb]

Would like your opinions on this please as i'm starting to think conspiracy!

Between October 2009 and November 2009 i made withdraws from a certain
casino of about between 10k-11k. However in the 14 months or so since i
was able to do this i've only been able to get 1 withdraw of $300 which i did just because it was a few months since i was lucky enough to get up a little bit.

In these 14 months i have gotten 0 playtime, near 0 bonuses and when i do hit a bonus i'm jumping for joy if its 10x my bet. The story from their cs is that "your just on a bad streak" .... a bad streak?? please not for 14 months, i'm really starting to think they are just getting their money back from me before they'll let me win again.

I have played at every casino within this group and each time it is the same result. I even within the last 24hrs joined the last 2 casinos in the group and played through $250 in about 1 hr betting anywhere from .09cents per spin up to $1.

Can someone really have a 14 month bad luck streak? i'd say thats unheard of, but hey maybe i'm just looking into it to much!

 

[lovetogamble]

Their always going to tell you it's just a run of bad luck, but I have played online for 11 years now and the games are the worst they have ever been. $100 deposits are gone in minutes, hardly any free spins and like you said if your fortunate enough to get free spins they pay nothing. Needless to say the free spins are few and far between. The new RTG game "It's a Mystery" should be renamed "It's a Miracle" because it is if you can get the free spins without playing the 150 spins to get a bonus which never pays much at all.

I know all our griping sounds like nothing but sour grapes but it's more than that. I rarely bitch about the online casinos but it has come to the point where they are just taking players money and very few are winning. I remember one week where 10 RJ's were hit at iNetBet. Now I don't think one has been hit since before Christmas and it's the only one to hit. Their RJ's used to get around 4-6 thousand now they are way up there and no one is hitting crap! I've just had it with online casinos. I live within 5 miles of two Indian Casinos and your odds are much better there than online, so I've giving up playing online till something starts picking up. If everyone would do this the online casinos might open their eyes and get off these low payouts. I don't think any of them are paying out anymore than 85% if that.

Maybe a CS from iNetBet will come and post on this thread and tell up how many random Jackpots have hit at their casino in the last 2 month. I'd like to know.

...and it's not just RTG it's Rival, MG and all the rest of them. Almost impossible to win anythiing worth while at any of them anymore.

 

[silcnlayc]

.lovetogamble:..and it's not just RTG it's Rival, MG and all the rest of them. Almost impossible to win anythiing worth while at any of them anymore.

It's your imagination...just a run of bad luck...because many know that YEARS of experiences and THOUSANDS upon thousands of spins do not count for proof of any changes ...

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[vinylweatherman]

Would like your opinions on this please as i'm starting to think conspiracy!

Between October 2009 and November 2009 i made withdraws from a certain
casino of about between 10k-11k. However in the 14 months or so since i
was able to do this i've only been able to get 1 withdraw of $300 which i did just because it was a few months since i was lucky enough to get up a little bit.

In these 14 months i have gotten 0 playtime, near 0 bonuses and when i do hit a bonus i'm jumping for joy if its 10x my bet. The story from their cs is that "your just on a bad streak" .... a bad streak?? please not for 14 months, i'm really starting to think they are just getting their money back from me before they'll let me win again.

I have played at every casino within this group and each time it is the same result. I even within the last 24hrs joined the last 2 casinos in the group and played through $250 in about 1 hr betting anywhere from .09cents per spin up to $1.

Can someone really have a 14 month bad luck streak? i'd say thats unheard of, but hey maybe i'm just looking into it to much!

I have had several months of bad luck, so 14 months is not so unusual. It is "opportunities to cash out", as well as ACTUAL cash-outs, that you need to look at. Constantly missing opportunities to cash out through setting a higher target can mean the bad luck is more severe than it need be.

I have learned through experience that I have missed many opportunities to cash out a worthwhile sum because I have tried for more.

Now, when luck turns sour, I lower my targets for cashing out, rather than playing on for something bigger. I tend to play "loose" after a decent run, and sometimes take this too far, giving back more than I should. I now try to cash out, and then "play loose" elsewhere with some of the winnings.

It is the earlier winning streak which was unusual, and NOT the mediocre 14 months that followed.

 

[Nifty29]

I find myself agreeing with you about the new RTG game "It's a Misery ".

I've played a few 1000 spins in real mode and play mode and every single time I got the free spins it was from the feature guarantee.

I'm going to give it a good hiding today just to see but it kinda blows so far.

As for losing streaks - it's difficult to say if it's normal or within expectations without knowing all the information like what bonuses you took and how many times you could have cashed out but didn't and bet size in proportion to bankroll (to name a few).

 

[all4greed]

I remember one week where 10 RJ's were hit at iNetBet. Now I don't think one has been hit since before Christmas and it's the only one to hit. Their RJ's used to get around 4-6 thousand now they are way up there and no one is hitting crap!

I always look at their monthly newsletter with winner's stories and screenshots. Seems things have slowed down as far as the number of RJ hits. There is a bit of filler in last months list but a progressive is a progressive even if it pays $5.

 

[silcnlayc]

Just played the new game out....(fun mode of course) cost $150+ to hit the bonus round @ $2...win.....a whopping $12.40...and they wonder why so many have stopped playing as before.

Hit bonus round at another casino spinning 75 cent a spin, played out over $100 and hit another whopping $0

Yep...all is the same ...

thebizb: Can someone really have a 14 month bad luck streak?

No...IMPO...I went by how many deposits it took...if I went 14 months...I would have quit a long time ago...I never would have reached that long ....well...I guess I didn't...I gave it up a while back when I got hit in the head with a realization that it has become tossing money into empty holes....

The one thing that really truly bugged me about the games were when you got nothing after trying for $200-$300 at $1 a spin...I mean , now that is a cruel, cruel thing someone thought up...but yet, many are still taking it....why, I am wondering? There is nothing "fair" at all in those kind of non wins IMO...

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[Papa-ya]

The other side of the coin. Deposited $30 yesterday, played 25 cent spins, hit the mini random jackpot about 8 spins in, on the new game, It's a Mystery, at an accredited casino. First random ever for me. I think with the amount of spins it takes to hit the bonus rounds, the small bets are the way to go, gives the small depositor a much better chance of lasting and if you don't win big on the bonus rounds, it's not as frustrating when betting low. I would rather spend 150 quarters than 150 dollars.

 

[footdr]

If it is RTG.....

I believe you.

 

[plasticnote]

Only if you know how much I spent to hit 2 RJs last month at INET and afterwards, how bad my game played. You will feel lucky you did not get them.

Would you like spend 11.5 K in exchange to win 2 RJs total 4K+?

 

[lovetogamble]

Would you like spend 11.5 K in exchange to win 2 RJs total 4K+?

I think your the only RJ's won at inetbet last month. You won on Return of Rudolph didn't you? Yes, I agree it's sad to have to wager 11.5 grand to win 4,000. More like a 7,000 loss than a win.

It's your imagination...just a run of bad luck...because many know that YEARS of experiences and THOUSANDS upon thousands of spins do not count for proof of any changes ...

Sorry..but that's more than enough proof for me.

I have had several months of bad luck, so 14 months is not so unusual.

Sorry again, but if I have to go 14 months (over a year) and no cash outs I would certainly quite playing online.

I lost $300 the last two days playing small bets of .40 and .50. Never got above my beginning balance, played the triple stretch your dollar deal at inetbet. Deposited $100 for $150, another 50 for 75% bonus and another 50 for the 100% bonus. Money went like water down a drain. The other $50 went just as fast at another casino. All my deposits have went that way for months now. So I took $100 to the local Indian Casino and left $2,700 ahead last night. Yes, that was lucky but since Christmas I've lost 1 time at their casino and I go ever other day.

So call it bad online luck or whatever you wish I'm convinced that the online casinos are paying out around 85% these days. Yes, you'll see some winners but are they really winners? Look at Plasticnote who won 2 RJ's...but lost $7,000 in the process. Is he a winner...I think not.

 

[plasticnote]

I think your the only RJ's won at inetbet last month. You won on Return of Rudolph didn't you? Yes, I agree it's sad to have to wager 11.5 grand to win 4,000. More like a 7,000 loss than a win.



Sorry..but that's more than enough proof for me.



Sorry again, but if I have to go 14 months (over a year) and no cash outs I would certainly quite playing online.

I lost $300 the last two days playing small bets of .40 and .50. Never got above my beginning balance, played the triple stretch your dollar deal at inetbet. Deposited $100 for $150, another 50 for 75% bonus and another 50 for the 100% bonus. Money went like water down a drain. The other $50 went just as fast at another casino. All my deposits have went that way for months now. So I took $100 to the local Indian Casino and left $2,700 ahead last night. Yes, that was lucky but since Christmas I've lost 1 time at their casino and I go ever other day.

So call it bad online luck or whatever you wish I'm convinced that the online casinos are paying out around 85% these days. Yes, you'll see some winners but are they really winners? Look at Plasticnote who won 2 RJ's...but lost $7,000 in the process. Is he a winner...I think not.

Also a min RJ for $750.

I will stop playing RTG all together if the payout keep lower in my next 10 deposits (3000$).

 

[gaydave]

I am only disclosing this for information. I am not trying to be Devil's advocate or anything like that but I have been running extremely hot on RTG RSV slots. At this point I am several thousand ahead over the last 2 months at RTG casinos.
I'm not discrediting what any of you are saying but I thought you would like to know that not everyone is losing on RTG at this time.

 

[plasticnote]

I am only disclosing this for information. I am not trying to be Devil's advocate or anything like that but I have been running extremely hot on RTG RSV slots. At this point I am several thousand ahead over the last 2 months at RTG casinos.
I'm not discrediting what any of you are saying but I thought you would like to know that not everyone is losing on RTG at this time.

Hi, not saying you can not win but had a feeling RTG RSV are more and more like UK style EWP slots if you know what I mean. Once you reach a certain level of wins, then all sudden every slots turned cold no matter what you do for very long period of time. Then where is my fun? Just my 2 cents, maybe I played too heavy.

There has not been any post of great wins like old days from RTG. Like metaxa 's 100$ spin at rain dance(5 scatters) - INETBET Or Nash 125$ spin at T-Rex - Intertop Red.

I miss those posts so much. Make me wonder are those still possible on RTGs.

 

[slotjunkie]

14 months...

They have pulled the plug...PERIOD!!!!!!! You will NOT win again until you are in the negative with them!

Oh it IS very UNUSUAL, just not for shady sh*t they pull with online gambling!!!

Has anyone ever been on a 14 month "bad luck" streak at a land based casino???

No, No, h*ll no!!!!

 

[Papa-ya]

Only if you know how much I spent to hit 2 RJs last month at INET and afterwards, how bad my game played. You will feel lucky you did not get them.

Would you like spend 11.5 K in exchange to win 2 RJs total 4K+?

Like Dogboy001 pointed out in another thread, there has always been complaints and probably always will be.
What I think is some players are way to serious about hitting the big wins and have lost the point of just have fun with it. As your post shows you have lost a good chunk of your own money, but for what reason is behind your large deposits?
Are you chasing randoms, or are you thinking the more you spend the more you'll get out of it?
As it has been said before, it's gambling, are you seriously willing to gamble so much?
The more a player losses of his/her own money, the higher the frustration level. The more you play in a frustrated frame of mind, the more the play can appear frustrating.
Especially if you are trying to get back what you have lost or are trying for a random.
There are many players that have hit randoms on minimal wagers, just as there are that hit them on large wagers, so if you are going to hit them, isn't it better to hit one on minimal amounts of your own money?
If you have spent 11.5k of your own money and won 2 randoms for 4k, then you have gained nothing but more frustration. Because a random will not reward any player for the amount they have spent. It is pure luck/chance for any player that actually hits one.
Players need to get back to the entertainment aspect of gambling, only spend what you are willing to lose and never expect to win because you have spent an enormous amount to get there.
I have had plenty of "bad luck", but continue to play at minimal amounts and am happy with minimal wins, they do add up to big wins when cashed out and put away.
I used to be a chaser as well, but gave that up, if it happens, great, if not, that's okay too as I don't anticipate it anymore.
Having won the mini for me was a total shock and a nice surprise, after playing as long as there has been gambling online, to hit one was just by chance as it is with anyone that wins a random.
When I hit the mini random, instead of upping my wagers, hoping for bigger wins, I stayed in the range of 25-60 cent wagers, played the entire day and still cashed out $390, all this on a $30 deposit. Doesn't always happen this way, but it's nice when it does, so just enjoy it.
My philosphy is, play only what you are willing to lose.
Don't use bonuses to tie up your money, unless you just want to play for fun.
Never chase randoms or losses, it can lead to more frustration and more losses.
Just play to have some fun, if it's not fun, find something that is.

 

[lovetogamble]

Just play to have some fun, if it's not fun, find something that is.

I don't play thinking I'm gonna win big, I mainly play for fun but the fun is just about gone out of it! When you've played online for 11 years you can feel the change in the games and they don't play nothing like they used too. Believe me their nothing close to playing as they used too even a couple of years ago. I don't mine losing I rather expect to lose but when $100 deposits are gone in a few minutes betting only .40 and .50 a spin...free spins pay out about $5.00 then the fun is gone. Just my opinion. I never said people don't win, sure they do. Someone has to win or no one would play but the winners are less and less which makes me believe the payout are less. I still think around 85%.

On a lighter note just to compare gambling online and B&M casinos. I went to the Indian casino this morning. I took $200 and came home with $260. No big win but I played from 8 till noon. Now that was what I call fun. That's 4 hours playing time which may have lasted an hour online. Again just my opinion and everyone has one. :notworthy

 

[silcnlayc]

Papa-ya:Just play to have some fun, if it's not fun, find something that is.

That is what many of us that gamble for a win (large or small) have done, moved on. This is hurting the casinos bottom line IMO...and as players stop playing, this will make it harder on those that continue to play "for entertainment" to be entertained IMO...When it gets down to the nitty gritty...let us know how much "entertainment" you have gotten out of your deposits. It should be interesting...because as many others say, I can go out and be entertained a helluva lot better for my $50 bucks..$100 bucks or whatever one deposits for longer than 5 minutes..

Think about it..who makes $30 bucks every few minutes?? Really? If one breaks down the amount of money these casinos have sucked in and are now refusing to let loose...they (the casinos) have definitley lined their pockets for a long time...and are tryying to continue to do this without any give back...well..I think the well is running dry real quick...

I will sit back and wait to see all those others that play "just for entertainment" purposes come on here and tell us just how much fun they are still having in all honesty...or if they are even depositing as they used to..I believe, they are not having much luck either, even if they claim they are still playing for this purpose..they too, JMO , have cut back because of not finding it so much fun anymore either..even if it was for "entertainment" I think this is where the casinos are failing ...it is not "entertaining" to continue to spin hundreds of dollars only to catch a $3 win on the COVETED bonus rounds..and not just a few are doing this anymore, all the casinos are doing it..why??

Why even bother to have a bonus round if all one gets is $0 ??? That is NOT entertainment...that is sickening..JMO It is not a fluke,those $0 bonus rounds, it has become the norm anymore to get nothing for huge investment...A casinos sense of humor? Hmmm...time will tell who will laugh last..

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[slotjunkie]

Just look at how short and dry the winner screenshot section is compared to how it used to be
And the "5 scatters" and "shoe me the money" threads are practically dead!

Of course they are still coming in, but....

And you can not tell me it is just that players have(all) changed the way they play

 

[Papa-ya]

I can relate to what you are all saying, I have had the same experiences all along as well, that's why now I play for the fun of it, rather than the profit. If I win, I'm happy, if I lose, I'm not. But when you read around all the forums and so many players are constantly giving online gambling a negative rap, which may or may not be deserved, can we not expect our constant comments to also effect the game?
Sure, I feel things have changed, just as much as the next guy, but I also don't feel it's all about the casinos only causing the change. How many new players may shy away and stick with a B&M because of all the negativity surrounding the online gambling they read.
I have been following discussions for a long time and honestly I never knew how bad it was until I started reading comments.
If I were new to gambling, I would be running as far away from online gambling as possible, from what I have been studying. Old timers, frustrated because it's different, so deposits slow down, or stop, new players don't sign up and next thing you know, gambling has become something only the insane would venture into and all entities struggle to stay in business.
So, forums are for helping players avoid the pitfalls, but if we are making the entire gambling world look like a pitfall, then we are more of a detriment than a benefit to better gaming.
Not being critical, just looking at it from a different point of view.
Bottom line we have to ask, is if the ever growing negativity is also hurting the online gambling and are we shooting ourselves in the foot and not realizing it?

 

[slotjunkie]

I can relate to what you are all saying, I have had the same experiences all along as well, that's why now I play for the fun of it, rather than the profit. If I win, I'm happy, if I lose, I'm not. But when you read around all the forums and so many players are constantly giving online gambling a negative rap, which may or may not be deserved, can we not expect our constant comments to also effect the game?
Sure, I feel things have changed, just as much as the next guy, but I also don't feel it's all about the casinos only causing the change. How many new players may shy away and stick with a B&M because of all the negativity surrounding the online gambling they read.
I have been following discussions for a long time and honestly I never knew how bad it was until I started reading comments.
If I were new to gambling, I would be running as far away from online gambling as possible, from what I have been studying. Old timers, frustrated because it's different, so deposits slow down, or stop, new players don't sign up and next thing you know, gambling has become something only the insane would venture into and all entities struggle to stay in business.
So, forums are for helping players avoid the pitfalls, but if we are making the entire gambling world look like a pitfall, then we are more of a detriment than a benefit to better gaming.
Not being critical, just looking at it from a different point of view.
Bottom line we have to ask, is if the ever growing negativity is also hurting the online gambling and are we shooting ourselves in the foot and not realizing it?

How can we make it look like a pitfall when all players are doing is sharing their REAL experiences??? It just so happens that as of lately those experiences are leaning heavily towards the negative!!

So who is really shooting themselves in the foot...I'd say the casinos. I really like to gamble but not to the point of it causing me to be depressed, angry, sad, in debt,... We(I) don't need them, they need us to survive in this game!

I say they better get it together, stop the greed, and outright scandals because if they don't, in the end they will be the ones in debt, depressed, sad, angry...

 

[silcnlayc]

slotjunkie: How can we make it look like a pitfall when all players are doing is sharing their REAL experiences??? It just so happens that as of lately those experiences are leaning heavily towards the negative!!

So who is really shooting themselves in the foot...I'd say the casinos. I really like to gamble but not to the point of it causing me to be depressed, angry, sad, in debt,... We(I) don't need them, they need us to survive in this game!

I say they better get it together, stop the greed, and outright scandals because if they don't, in the end they will be the ones in debt, depressed, sad, angry...

Very well put. I could have said this myself

Papa-ya: we are more of a detriment than a benefit to better gaming

The only thing that bothers me is that there are some people out there thinking we should ignore the bad to allow new players to play? Is that what I am reading? Am I also reading that we as players should continue to play when we are losing our shirts?? I mean...am I reading this right??? It is not the player to entice the casino to do right, it is the casino to entice the player by DOING right...we owe NOTHING to casinos. Casinos survive by being fair , good and honest....if casinos go down...ask why...

I really do not understand the part that we, as players should keep shoveling our hard earned money down a casinos gut, knowing there is no bottom to the pit, all because we are hurting them?. That is the object to not depositing..to get them to do RIGHT. They do not have to give away the store, but a little more fairness would be nice...This is just my opinion and understanding...Please do not think that I am attacking you, I am just wondering if I am understanding what you were saying...that we should throw our money at casinos without any chance of a benefit???

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[LHofsdal]

I have have to agree with alot of the post in this thread. In the past months more and more people posting about their horrible experiences.

I agree there is something more here, then just bad luck. Here are my reasons why. (I have been getting e-mails from friends that I have made from other forums and I started to keep track of what they were sending me. Plus some of my experiences also included.)

Person 1:On 12/27 Deposited 40 dollars at an accredited casino, took a bonus, played the slot T-Rex at 1 dollar a spin. Had 143 spins, no feature at all and went bust. On 12/24 deposited 40 dollars at the same casino, took a bonus, played Return of the Rudolph at 1 dollar a spin, 98 spins no feature and went bust.

Player 2: On 12/17 deposited 35 dollars at an accredited casino, different from player 1, took a bonus, played T-Rex at 1 .25 a spin. First 40 spins no feature, changed the bet to 75 cents, next 30 spins, no feature. Went to 50 cents a spin, 44 spins no feature, went bust. Total spins 114. On 1/14 deposited 35 at a sister casino of the casino played on 12/17. Took a bonus. Played Count Spectacular at 1 dollar a spin, 51 spins no feature. Went and played Achillies, 80 cents a spin. 66 spins no feature went bust. Total spins for the deposit 117.

Player 3: On 1/12 deposited 150 dollars at an accredited casino, no bonus taken. Played Return of the Rudolph for 1 dollar a spin. 50 spins no feature. Went to play T-Rex at 1 dollar a spin, 50 spins no feature. 51st first spin, hit the feature, feature paid 1.08!! That is from 6 spins. Went to play Paydirt, at 1.25 a spin 69 spins no feature, went bust.

MySelf, got board the other day, deposited 35 with bonus at an accredited casino. Played Cleopatras Gold, all total for that day I had 191 spins at 1 dollar and no feature. Got that figure from CS when I wrote to see how many spins I played on that game that day.

After reading this, you tell me it is just bad luck. If it is bad luck, then why are so many players having it. That is why I have stopped playing like I use to. I will take my little deposits and save them and head for Vegas. At least there when I am losing money, atleast I can get drunk for next to nothing while doing it. LOL

Just my take on the whole situation.

All the best,
LH

 

[Papa-ya]

Very well put. I could have said this myself

The only thing that bothers me is that there are some people out there thinking we should ignore the bad to allow new players to play? Is that what I am reading? Am I also reading that we as players should continue to play when we are losing our shirts?? I mean...am I reading this right??? It is not the player to entice the casino to do right, it is the casino to entice the player by DOING right...we owe NOTHING to casinos. Casinos survive by being fair , good and honest....if casinos go down...ask why...

I really do not understand the part that we, as players should keep shoveling our hard earned money down a casinos gut, knowing there is no bottom to the pit, all because we are hurting them?. That is the object to not depositing..to get them to do RIGHT. They do not have to give away the store, but a little more fairness would be nice...This is just my opinion and understanding...Please do not think that I am attacking you, I am just wondering if I am understanding what you were saying...that we should throw our money at casinos without any chance of a benefit???.

I don't take what you say as any form of attack, but as individuals, we all have the choice to partake or not. No one is being forced to shovel money at a casino. Simply saying, if one is going to throw money at something, do it at something that you really enjoy, like dinner and a movie, a night out doing something spontaneous, shopping at your favorite store. There are far better things one can do than support something that makes one upset.
I don't gamble all the time, because I am not thrilled with the overall outcome, but am a lot less mad at myself or a casino, if I only do it occasionally, once or twice a month and don't expect anything in return. The expectation that doesn't get fullfilled can be maddening, I know, been there too. So if I win something I'm thrilled, when I don't, I say oh well, enough of that for now and go outside and throw a rock at something.
In my history of play over the years, I have never won any big amounts, nor won enough to cover total losses, so I just don't take it so serious anymore. Play if you think you want to spend a little and if you win something back be glad.
Funny, I was thinking the other day, that gambling is the one thing we will keep spending money on even knowing that for the most part we will have nothing to show for it and no guarantee of anything, yet we keep doing it.

 

[Nifty29]

I must admit I've never seen someone so passionate....almost angry in fact....about how bad their play is in free mode. Usually, one only sees this when someone is losing their own money. Interesting.

Surely one only plays free mode for enjoyment? I don't see any other reason, seeing as you cannot win anything. If someone is getting angry about free mode, I would think lower payouts would be the least of their problems.

I have have to agree with alot of the post in this thread. In the past months more and more people posting about their horrible experiences.

I agree there is something more here, then just bad luck. Here are my reasons why. (I have been getting e-mails from friends that I have made from other forums and I started to keep track of what they were sending me. Plus some of my experiences also included.)

Person 1:On 12/27 Deposited 40 dollars at an accredited casino, took a bonus, played the slot T-Rex at 1 dollar a spin. Had 143 spins, no feature at all and went bust. On 12/24 deposited 40 dollars at the same casino, took a bonus, played Return of the Rudolph at 1 dollar a spin, 98 spins no feature and went bust.

Player 2: On 12/17 deposited 35 dollars at an accredited casino, different from player 1, took a bonus, played T-Rex at 1 .25 a spin. First 40 spins no feature, changed the bet to 75 cents, next 30 spins, no feature. Went to 50 cents a spin, 44 spins no feature, went bust. Total spins 114. On 1/14 deposited 35 at a sister casino of the casino played on 12/17. Took a bonus. Played Count Spectacular at 1 dollar a spin, 51 spins no feature. Went and played Achillies, 80 cents a spin. 66 spins no feature went bust. Total spins for the deposit 117.

Player 3: On 1/12 deposited 150 dollars at an accredited casino, no bonus taken. Played Return of the Rudolph for 1 dollar a spin. 50 spins no feature. Went to play T-Rex at 1 dollar a spin, 50 spins no feature. 51st first spin, hit the feature, feature paid 1.08!! That is from 6 spins. Went to play Paydirt, at 1.25 a spin 69 spins no feature, went bust.

MySelf, got board the other day, deposited 35 with bonus at an accredited casino. Played Cleopatras Gold, all total for that day I had 191 spins at 1 dollar and no feature. Got that figure from CS when I wrote to see how many spins I played on that game that day.

After reading this, you tell me it is just bad luck. If it is bad luck, then why are so many players having it. That is why I have stopped playing like I use to. I will take my little deposits and save them and head for Vegas. At least there when I am losing money, atleast I can get drunk for next to nothing while doing it. LOL

Just my take on the whole situation.

All the best,
LH

I have highlighted the important aspects of what you have posted to support what I am about to say.

Is the problem with the above scenarios bad luck? NO.

The big problem here is bankroll management.

If you are going to play $1 a spin, you need to deposit at least $150-200 to have any reasonable expectation of hitting a feature or getting any play time.

Depositing $40 and playing $1 spins is crazy. You need to understand that if you are going to play like this, you are either going to hit something nice very quickly or bust very quickly.

When you deposit these amounts, you need to decide what it is that you want to achieve - a reasonably long playing session with a good chance of some features, or the chance of a big hit. You cannot have both.

Why can't you have both? The average spins between features is around 120-150 on most slots, with variations of course (more about the 'v' word in a minute so strap yourselves in). If you deposit $40 and play $1 spins, you will be lucky to get 100 spins in before you bust (and the proof of that has been provided by LHofsdal above). So, given the average feature trigger rate it is actually more likely that not that you won't hit a feature.

It has nothing to do with RTP etc in this case. Dogboy stated something like the difference between 91% and 95% is something like a feature game every 114 spins compared to 119 spins.....hardly noticable in the long term.

Something else is causing the results highlighted above, in combination with bankroll management - choice of slot I.E. Variance. I have shown what I mean in red in the above quote.

T-Rex, Rudolph, Paydirt, Count Spectacular are all high variance slots. It means that whilst the feature trigger rate may be similar, the results of those features will swing wildly. I have hit 2000x bet twice on Paydirt feature games, and I have hit hundreds of them where I get 5x bet or even less. It's what makes the game exciting - just like T-Rex.

Low rollers who want lots of play time and reasonable features would be better off with slots like the penguin one or diamond dozen. The features usually pay fairly well consistently, but you ain't gonna pay the mortgage with it.

It's easy to just point the finger at the casino and accuse them of 'cheating' or 'lowering the RTP' or whatever......it is much harder, but far more constructive and beneficial, to look at the way you play and adjust it to meet your expectations. You stand a much better chance of coming out ahead more often, and enjoying more features (which is what everyone is saying they want), if you arm yourself with the most powerful weapon you can - knowledge.

One thing I can almost guarantee - if you keep depositing $40 and playing $1 a spin on T-Rex and Rudolph - you will lose 99 times of out 100.

 

[Nate]

Hi All,

There are days where I can play anywhere from $15 - $75 a spin and other days I play $0.20 - $0.90c a spin. It obviously depends on my mood and my 'discipline for the day'.

I have found that things can go south very fast on big bets. You obviously make the decision to try and hit big or lose big. My cash out targets (I'll admit) are sometimes too high. The games that I choose to play are also a bit high on the variance side.

Just 2 examples in the last few days were:

I was waiting for a withdrawal from Ladbrokes and decided to 'Low Roll'... On Tuesday I deposited $10 and played for the fun of it. I wanted so much to deposit a bigger sum and play, but forced myself to have patience ...

Took the $10 up to over $300 on minimum bets (wins of $5 - $15 Count )and withdrew.

On Wednesday, I took $50 (with the low roller metality) and tried MG again. Started on BDBA with 0.27c to 0.54c bets and got the balance up to $65 odd... Left the game, went to Santa's Wild Ride and played 0.60c bets. Got the feature when my balance was about $20 and it paid about $170... Cool. I decided to give TSII a go at $3 a spin (A bit high on that balance) and got the FS on the First spin... It paid $505.... Next, went to Reel Gems and played $10 a spin (on a balance of $600 odd) ... Got the FS the Second spin and it paid $911....

Next game was Silver Fang - Second Spin feature on $12.50... paid $358 was up to about $1700... went to Isis and Managed to peak at $2000. Withdrew.

Not all sessions are as good as the above, but i found that a $20 deposit is often doubled and then we up our bets and lose it all. I am by no means ahead lifetime, I have lost bags full of money, BUT i feel that discipline is often the BIGGEST problem for all of us. Not cashing out while ahead and playing bigger bets on small balances leads to more losses like VWM noted somewhere..

If you have the will power to play 0.09c to 0.90c a spin and remain on that for the rest of your session and are content on a $30 profit, many of us would make weekly withdrawals. The small wins add up at the end of the day.

Im just a guilty as everyone - Upping bets and not withdrawing when i should.

Bad luck streaks are very common and if you have gone 14 months without a Cash out... then consider playing elsewhere.

Lhofsdal - from my observations on your game play - Return of the Rudolph, and T-Rex are High Variance games... IMPO, I would low roll on Cleopatra's Gold, Crystal Waters, Loose Caboose and up my balance before going there. I played T-Rex and ROTR and found similar results. Cleopatras WILL give you the FS more often and faster than T-Rex and ROTR...

Anyways, I hope everyone on bad luck streaks considers their style of play and maybe decides to try a different gameplan...

Good Luck to ALL..

Nate

 

[unhappy]

Would like your opinions on this please as i'm starting to think conspiracy!

Between October 2009 and November 2009 i made withdraws from a certain
casino of about between 10k-11k. However in the 14 months or so since i
was able to do this i've only been able to get 1 withdraw of $300 which i did just because it was a few months since i was lucky enough to get up a little bit.

In these 14 months i have gotten 0 playtime, near 0 bonuses and when i do hit a bonus i'm jumping for joy if its 10x my bet. The story from their cs is that "your just on a bad streak" .... a bad streak?? please not for 14 months, i'm really starting to think they are just getting their money back from me before they'll let me win again.

I have played at every casino within this group and each time it is the same result. I even within the last 24hrs joined the last 2 casinos in the group and played through $250 in about 1 hr betting anywhere from .09cents per spin up to $1.

Can someone really have a 14 month bad luck streak? i'd say thats unheard of, but hey maybe i'm just looking into it to much!

Yea i some times wonder like you said if you win at a casino you cant win again until you lose all that you won plus more. and yes i agree the casinos arent paying out much in the last fews months ,ive lost a fortune.Beginning of 2010 i won 72000 on one game and since then 35000 plus of nothing it sucks

 

[Nifty29]

Yea i some times wonder like you said if you win at a casino you cant win again until you lose all that you won plus more. and yes i agree the casinos arent paying out much in the last fews months ,ive lost a fortune.Beginning of 2010 i won 72000 on one game and since then 35000 plus of nothing it sucks

It most likely nothing to do with payouts being reduced, but rather the natural balancing of the games RTP over time. Remember you are playing a game (assume a slot ) with a house edge of 5%+ so you are not going to come out ahead in the long run,especially playing the same game.

You're still $37000 ahead which is against the odds - I'm certain most people would be happy to be in your position.

 

[Dag_Arbisa]

It's your imagination...just a run of bad luck...because many know that YEARS of experiences and THOUSANDS upon thousands of spins do not count for proof of any changes ...

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Very well said, Can't get the proof of everything everytime. It was just a bad Luck.

 

[Alfran]

Yea i some times wonder like you said if you win at a casino you cant win again until you lose all that you won plus more. and yes i agree the casinos arent paying out much in the last fews months ,ive lost a fortune.Beginning of 2010 i won 72000 on one game and since then 35000 plus of nothing it sucks

This is an old thread but i guess things are still the same...
I've just counted that i made 47 deposits (in 1 casino) with not a single withdrawal. It seems a really bad streak since was doing pretty ok till abt 2.5 months ago. I checked and my rtp was around 97.5% .. 10 days ago.... seems like i was doing above average with a couple of good wins early in the year and now... its bringing me back to reality.