Jackpot Party 'Insurance' Bonus - or not!

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A novel idea for the next week from JPP. Play ANY slot on ANY stake as long as it's a 20-lines + slot and if you get 20 consecutive spins (including a spin that triggers a feature that pays 0) or more in one unbroken sequence they will give you a £25 cash bonus,

Now, I would like to get this into some sort of perspective. How likely is it? I played a few thousand spins on the VH variance Bruce Lee to test. On average I had a win every 5.4 spins. I went 12 once, 13 once and then 19 and behold! got a minimum win on the 20th,,,,:)

I gave up after a few hours.

I would imagine on random slots this is a very unlikely event. JPP must know something to offer this. How about you people trying it for yourselves on freeplay?

A very different bonus and very original. Attainable? Mmmmm...in theory.
 
It would be something to see someone pull it off.

Yes, it could happen but after years of slot playing it would be quite unlikely to see it. On any slot on any software. I know Chopley loves his JPP bonuses but I would say he would actually be quite scornful of the chances of hitting this one.
 
Yes, it could happen but after years of slot playing it would be quite unlikely to see it. On any slot on any software. I know Chopley loves his JPP bonuses but I would say he would actually be quite scornful of the chances of hitting this one.

Run the simulation and never got over seven spins without a win, a win being anything above or below the stake (pretty obvious), for the record and perhaps to prove the science I did this over 100,000 spins through various browsers and various sites on free play.

I don’t have concrete prove that I did over 100,000 spins but then again I never counted the amount of beans and chips I consumed in the last year, the use of a cocktail stick to individually count the items and the subsequent entry into an excel spread sheet does not appeal.

Back on Earth (for me at least) I’d chance my arm in saying the promotion has more chance of paying out to a left handed lesbian dolphin in the artic sea who never even entered the promotion.

Disclaimer: left handed dolphins have as much chance if they enter the competition as right handed lesbian dolphins or even right-handed gay dolphins or left handed dolphins, perhaps I should stop digging the hole I started now.
 
If NetEnt offered this Bonus on Space Wars or Reel Rush - You would be in the MONEY!!

Nate

haahha what your finding only that slot nate i think your find theres a few more aswell

anyway little chance of getting 20 losing spins ,on wms slots your always get a crappy 5p win there to kill it )
 
I had another 2k spins today on HV slots and didn't get close. 14 was the most (once) and quite a few 7's. The bonus that never was, but very clever concept. Some bored JPP employee must've been studying streams of data from slots and realized after a search that this may have happened twice in 10 million plays or something so would be an enticing offer to the unaware and a cheap one for JPP. Respect.
 
If you want a wms slot that goes long time without any wins, you should try the one that reminds jack hammer. Called emperor of rome etc.
Very often goes 10 spins without a win. But yes... 20 spins is another thing. But still, I think that is the slot with the best chances succeeding (is that a word...).
 
Yes that's a word!
Anyway, as you say, even the high variance don't go this long without a win.

It is not that high variance actually, but it behaves kind of like jack hammer, in which I have got numeros time 0,00€ from 15 freespins :D.
 
It is not that high variance actually, but it behaves kind of like jack hammer, in which I have got numeros time 0,00€ from 15 freespins :D.

The thing is though, under the promotion terms, a 15-spin losing zero-return bonus round would count as ONE spin out of the required 20.
 
I know Chopley loves his JPP bonuses but I would say he would actually be quite scornful of the chances of hitting this one.

Yeah I took one look at this one, laughed my ass off, and then went and did something less boring instead :D

It is worth keeping an eye on Jackpot Party's bonuses though, some of the ones that look dodgy are actually EV+ once you've crunched the numbers on them, but this one is off the scale awful.

Also note when you read the T&C's that you need to be playing at least 20 lines at a penny per line, so you're on a 20p minimum spin.

I reckon you could spin solidly for 24 hours and not see a single £25 'bonus' off this 'promotion' - I'd go as far as to say that they're heading into the realms of dishonest advertising by suggesting to their players that it's 'insurance'. (And also, not even regardless of your stake, as it states in the email!)

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Yes and if you get free spins bonus then its a winning spin :D

No, it's not. If you read their terms a losing spin 'is any spin that returns 0'. That would include a bonus round returning zero if the triggering scatters carry no win themselves.
 
The thing is though, under the promotion terms, a 15-spin losing zero-return bonus round would count as ONE spin out of the required 20.

I just ment that I have got 15 losing spins in a row at jack hammer.
Just to prove my point I deposited 25£ at jackpotparty and started playing Kingdom of the titans (this was the name of the slot :D). After 150-200 spins I got 19 or 20 losing spins. I am not 100% sure wich one was it :D.. I also got a couple times 10 losing spins.
If you want to "beat" (like that is possible with this one) the promotion. That is the slot for it.

edited to add, just after writing this I got another 14-15 losing spins in a row.
 
Just got 24 losing spins in a row :D.. So 50£ bonus collected so far. The bad thing is I am 50£ down at this point. So I am not really beating the bonus :lolup:
 
Run the simulation and never got over seven spins without a win, a win being anything above or below the stake (pretty obvious), for the record and perhaps to prove the science I did this over 100,000 spins through various browsers and various sites on free play.

I don’t have concrete prove that I did over 100,000 spins but then again I never counted the amount of beans and chips I consumed in the last year, the use of a cocktail stick to individually count the items and the subsequent entry into an excel spread sheet does not appeal.

Back on Earth (for me at least) I’d chance my arm in saying the promotion has more chance of paying out to a left handed lesbian dolphin in the artic sea who never even entered the promotion.

Disclaimer: left handed dolphins have as much chance if they enter the competition as right handed lesbian dolphins or even right-handed gay dolphins or left handed dolphins, perhaps I should stop digging the hole I started now.

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Looks like there was a slight loop hole to this promo - people obviously hammering these slots when they saw the 'potential' - but I wonder whether it really gives you that much of a better edge ??


From their updated t's and c's today -

"Play on all slot games except for Spinning Streak Games (Kingdom of the Titans, Rich Reel Devil and Riches of the Amazon) is eligible for this promotion."
 
Looks like there was a slight loop hole to this promo - people obviously hammering these slots when they saw the 'potential' - but I wonder whether it really gives you that much of a better edge ??


From their updated t's and c's today -

"Play on all slot games except for Spinning Streak Games (Kingdom of the Titans, Rich Reel Devil and Riches of the Amazon) is eligible for this promotion."

Hmmmm unless they're counting non-paying 'spinning streak' spins as being individual spins? I just automatically assumed that they'd consider each 'spinning streak' a single spin, same as they do for normal free spins......
 
For those interested the maths on this is actually super easy. To find out what the approximate odds are for any game, let me suggest the following procedure.

1. play 100 spins on a slot and count the number of spins with zero outcome.

2. plug that into the following formula :

Code:
  numberOfSpinsToPlayToGetSillyBonus = 1 / (( nr_of_zerospins / 100 ) ^ 20)

you can just paste it in google to find the outcome ..

so for example say I pick a game, do 100 spins in freeplay and find that it had 50 losing spins. (btw if you find less than 20 or more than 80 then take another sample)

the formula now is

1/((50/100)^20)

or when pasted into google : 1048576 spins.

For a high frequency event like any win vs zero you can get away with estimating it on a sample as small as 100 spins. (or you could adjust the
100 in the formula to be 200 or 300 if you want to improve the accuracy of your estimate).

Say you find a really high variance machine that has only 30 non-zero spins out of 100 spins, the number of spins you would have to spin on average before getting this bonus is
1/((70/100)^20) = 1253 spins ..

Cheers,

Enzo
 
Thanks Enzo :)

So basically we'd be looking at spending £250 for every £25 'bonus' (which itself has a 5xWR), assuming we can find a slot that only does 30 non-zero spins per 100 spins on average, and is played at the minimum 20p per spin.
 
Hmmmm unless they're counting non-paying 'spinning streak' spins as being individual spins? I just automatically assumed that they'd consider each 'spinning streak' a single spin, same as they do for normal free spins......

The thing with "spinning streak" or "sticky wins" slot is that you get much less 1-5xbet wins and much more 10xbet+ wins. You must have noticed this with jackhammer etc. 1 out of 5 winning spins will probably pay out alright.
When compered to normal slots, where you get a lots of "winning spins" that pay out 1xbet or less.

That is probably the reason they excluded those slots from the promotion.
I got 2-3 20 losing spins on a row yesterday. Although I lost 200£ so can not say I was actually beating the bonus :lolup:.
 
For those interested the maths on this is actually super easy. To find out what the approximate odds are for any game, let me suggest the following procedure.

1. play 100 spins on a slot and count the number of spins with zero outcome.

2. plug that into the following formula :

Code:
  numberOfSpinsToPlayToGetSillyBonus = 1 / (( nr_of_zerospins / 100 ) ^ 20)

you can just paste it in google to find the outcome ..

so for example say I pick a game, do 100 spins in freeplay and find that it had 50 losing spins. (btw if you find less than 20 or more than 80 then take another sample)

the formula now is

1/((50/100)^20)

or when pasted into google : 1048576 spins.

For a high frequency event like any win vs zero you can get away with estimating it on a sample as small as 100 spins. (or you could adjust the
100 in the formula to be 200 or 300 if you want to improve the accuracy of your estimate).

Say you find a really high variance machine that has only 30 non-zero spins out of 100 spins, the number of spins you would have to spin on average before getting this bonus is
1/((70/100)^20) = 1253 spins ..

Cheers,

Enzo

That's not quite how I would express the logic. So using your idea in your latter example you suggest an expectation of 1253 spins to hit 20 consecutive zero outcomes. This is akin to simplifying a bag of balls with 70 white ones (losing) and 30 red ones (winning) and asking me to pick 20 consecutive balls of white (of course replacing the white ball in the bag after each pick to imitate the way a slot picks a random outcome).
In other words 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10

Now see the likelihood. And that's assuming a slot which only has 30 non-zero results from 100.
 
That's not quite how I would express the logic. So using your idea in your latter example you suggest an expectation of 1253 spins to hit 20 consecutive zero outcomes. This is akin to simplifying a bag of balls with 70 white ones (losing) and 30 red ones (winning) and asking me to pick 20 consecutive balls of white (of course replacing the white ball in the bag after each pick to imitate the way a slot picks a random outcome).
In other words 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x 7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10x7/10

Now see the likelihood. And that's assuming a slot which only has 30 non-zero results from 100.

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