Resolved iNetBet: stalling or normal processing times?

[just play]

Thank you Diane - that was a very thoughtful post. Life is too short for these types of arguments.

With all due respect CM, I'm not going to let Nifty tell me I was wrong when I have PROOF IN WRITING, that I wasn't. (only about the cancelling and re-requesting I am referring to, because of course if I could go back and re-write, I probably would have worded it a little different) Isn't that what everyones beef is all the time? You have no proof. I have proof and I'm still "wrong", makes one wonder.

I'm off now, going to enjoy my day and let it go like Diane said.

 

[The Dude]

With all due respect CM, I'm not going to let Nifty tell me I was wrong when I have PROOF IN WRITING, that I wasn't....

Then I invite you to have an argument in private. I think we've all had enough here. Thanks!

 

[MaryJean]

JUST ONE LAST WORD IF I MAY---A THANK YOU TO INETBET!

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I think this is fabulous, especially considering today's roadblocks.

Thanks Inet!

Mary



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[Cleveland]

 

[Gremmyboy]

 

[Cleveland]

Well I wanted to use:

But I didn't think it fit

 

[footdr]

inetbet withdrawal 7/25/11 a.m. received 7/29 around 12:00pm

better than quicktender

 

[The Dude]

Ah, the typical "e-thug".

Where at in Australia are you? I have some friends around the Sydney area, I would love to see if you are as tough as you play here on these forums.

In case you are all wondering why rebel2k5's 72 hour suspension was upgraded to permanent, he has no less than 3 forum accounts - Tycoon83, Rebel2k5, chase87. All are now permantly closed.

 

[chuchu59]

You'd better be careful Bryan. He probably has allies in Germany who will test your beer-quenching abilities.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

I have no idea what you are talking about here. Sorry, but you aren't making much sense.

The thread started by Stovetopp has nothing to do with "naming" a casino. It was a legit gripe, and I think Stovetopp was clear and the problem was presented in a very balanced way. There were no accusations, no finger pointing, no unneeded drama. He presented his complaint the way they should be presented.


Besides being a bully yourself and harassing Nifty, you are annoying me and the mods (and probably few other members as well) with your disregard to the Admin Warnings. Thus a couple of your posts received infractions.



And again.



Your frustration is justified, but the way you presented your complaint was not. You (more or less) accused them of "stalling tactics" which as I mentioned before implies that there is an intent to keep your funds. They are not trying to keep your funds; they are trying to pay you. Your complaint would have never caused a fuss if you had posted it like Stovetop's (in the other thread).

I'm totally cool with people posting complaints - just as long as they are clear, balanced, and free from inciting language. I fully understand that this is really hard to do - especially for new members. There are a number of guidelines in this forum that one can follow when posting complaints. The reason you may have gotten so much stick is because you're a seasoned member. But no worries; it's cool.



As I have expressed before, there is no favoritism in this forum. There may be perceived favoritism, which probably stems from me not reading every single post, or analyzing every reply and comment made. I may see one "flame" post and take action, but overlook another because no one pointed it out. I do my best though, and we have highly skilled moderators here to chime in or take action when necessary, and there are many tools at your disposal to assist the moderators to do their job.

At the end of the day, we are just people - most of us with common interests - it shouldn't be that hard to get along.

Actually,stovestopps thread implied there was a theft;

To Emily Hanson or to whom it may concern.


I wrote early this AM about a louisy 50 dollar deposit I tried to make last night. I t was rejected, but this morning I checked my Credit Card on line and it was deducted.

Thanks

Everybody chose to jump on just plays thread very quickly,though nobody knew this would be resolved,the way he writes the above implies theres a theft.If this was an unaccreditted casino you'd be all over it like a rash shouting theft.

Nobody jumped on this so quickly with an aggressive reply as they did just plays thread.

I have also noticed Nifty insulted someone on another thread today-whether they are a banned member or not this doesnt set a good example surely.

Unless you are allowing 1 rule for 1 person,and another for another.

Considering I got 2 infractions for calling Nifty a bully yet many others have noticed his behaviour.

Double standards I think its called here in the uk.

 

[Cleveland]

Actually,stovestopps thread implied there was a theft;

Nobody jumped on this so quickly with an aggressive reply as they did just plays thread.

Double standards I think its called here in the uk.

You seem to have left out the major part of stovestopps thread where he/she states they were only posting via the forum because they couldn't get in touch with them through private message/email etc.

He/she also mentioned they had nothing negative to say and only posted because they figured/knew the company would be likely to see the message. In other words they were using the forum as a method of contacting the company not as a method for bashing the company. They also gave the company plenty of time to respond via the private messages, etc.

Side note: Just because some may feel stovestopps thread "implied" there was a theft doesn't mean he/she was trying to say there was a theft. That is a far cry from this thread which out right stated "xyz"....

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

You seem to have left out the major part of stovestopps thread where he/she states they were only posting via the forum because they couldn't get in touch with them through private message/email etc.

He/she also mentioned they had nothing negative to say and only posted because they figured/knew the company would be likely to see the message. In other words they were using the forum as a method of contacting the company not as a method for bashing the company. They also gave the company plenty of time to respond via the private messages, etc.

Side note: Just because some may feel stovestopps thread "implied" there was a theft doesn't mean he/she was trying to say there was a theft. That is a far cry from this thread which out right stated "xyz"....

Therefore how would he think the thread would work when the PM already hadn't?

just play's thread insinuated no more of an accusation than stove's did.Yet he was mobbed.

 

[Cleveland]

Therefore how would he think the thread would work when the PM already hadn't?

just play's thread insinuated no more of an accusation than stove's did.Yet he was mobbed.

He was exhausting all avenues available to him in the order that he was suppose to.

Stating inetbet is using stalling statics is a far cry from another thread asking for help. You are assuming what you think the other thread meant. We do not have to assume what justplay meant because he out right said it. Who knows maybe stove did mean his thread to be hostile but either way it goes he didn't come across as blatantly hostile.

I don't think I know how to explain this any clearer so forgive me if I give up on arguing the topic. Not to mention I need to get ready for work.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

He was exhausting all avenues available to him in the order that he was suppose to.

Stating inetbet is using stalling statics is a far cry from another thread asking for help. You are assuming what you think the other thread meant. We do not have to assume what justplay meant because he out right said it. Who knows maybe stove did mean his thread to be hostile but either way it goes he didn't come across as blatantly hostile.

I don't think I know how to explain this any clearer so forgive me if I give up on arguing the topic. Not to mention I need to get ready for work.

But to be fair they did anyway-the people that mobbed him.You only have to read the first few pages of the thread to see that-am i lying?

And stating using stalling tactics is worse that insinuating theft? I'm shocked.

I shall be careful as i have received 2 penalties unfairly,though others havent for the same reason.

Its just unfair that;

A) This thread was mobbed when his was given leniency,its not just myself that thinks this.

B) I get 2 penalties,for insults,when the person I insulted insults someone and gets away with it.

C) Im assuming the other people that mentioned the person in question in just plays thread weren't penalised.

 

[The Dude]

But to be fair they did anyway-the people that mobbed him.You oly have to read the first few pages of the thread to see that-am i lying?

I shall be careful as i have received 2 penalties unfairly,though others havent for the same reason.

Its just unfair that;

A) This thread was mobbed when his was given leniency,its not just myself that thinks this.

B) I get 2 penalties,for insults,when the person I insulted insults someone and gets away with it.

C) Im assuming the other people that mentioned the person in question in just plays thread weren't penalised.

Actually, you were given two infractions for ignoring Admin warnings. Big difference. You could have been mobbing Just Play for all I care - you were ignoring the warnings that I had given, and you are still doing so.

Since my warnings don't mean diddly squat to you, I'm placing your account into the moderated user group. Either I or the mods will okay your posts before they are published.

When it is clear that you are willing to drop your agenda, you'll have your normal permissions back.

 

[PNEFOREVER2]

Actually, you were given two infractions for ignoring Admin warnings. Big difference. You could have been mobbing Just Play for all I care - you were ignoring the warnings that I had given, and you are still doing so.

Since my warnings don't mean diddly squat to you, I'm placing your account into the moderated user group. Either I or the mods will okay your posts before they are published.

When it is clear that you are willing to drop your agenda, you'll have your normal permissions back.

Ban the account-certain people (Nifty) obviously have certain allowances.

 

[chayton]

Gig difference.

Is this a guitar player reference or a computer geek reference?

 

[The Dude]

Is this a guitar player reference or a computer geek reference?

It's late

Fixed.

@PNEFOREVER2 - would you please just mellow out? Life is too short for these bickerfests - these "he said this, you said that, you like him better than me" stuff.

Let the moderators do the moderating. Thank you.

 

[ksech]

Interesting thread (long, very,very long... probably could have skipped about 8 pages of member bashing...). I think this is one of iNet's biggest downfalls (I know, gone over ad nausem), the lack of live chat. In this instance, live chat MAY have alleviated some of the stress of waiting for the dreaded email exchange.

In defense of justplay, perhaps she wrote in the "heat" of the moment. We've all done it, will probably all do it again. Perhaps there were better words she could have employed to get her true feelings/meaning across with a more concise precision of appropriate terminology. We aren't there to see her body language, to hear her voice inflection. Typing words loses so much in a conversation.

Anyways (/derail/ welcome back justplay/derail/) and congratulations on your win!!!

*side note* these member bashings are starting to get tedious and boring and are taking away from what this place is supposed to be all about. Can we please, please PLEASE find our way back on track???

 

[anniemac]

*side note* these member bashings are starting to get tedious and boring and are taking away from what this place is supposed to be all about. Can we please, please PLEASE find our way back on track???

I so totally agree with this quote. I am so tired of starting a read on a thread and the next thing I know, personal attacks are flying. Grow up and exercise a little self control. Might be a good idea for all to read what they are posting from someone else's point of view before they hit the submit button. If all else fails, if you don't want it said to you, don't say it to someone else.

 

[just play]

I am happy to report I got paid yesterday afternoon.

 

[footdr]

Cant get INEBet CS to redeem my coupons

After 3 attemps over a period of 4 hours, comps still not redeemed

 

[chuchu59]

After 3 attemps over a period of 4 hours, comps still not redeemed

I do not understand why Inet creates so much work for themselves and in some cases cause customers to be disgruntled. Normally, 4 hours is nothing and we just require more patience. However, they could easily negotiate with rtg to devise something to allow the comps to be redeemed in the cashier.

 

[daveboz]

I do not understand why Inet creates so much work for themselves and in some cases cause customers to be disgruntled. Normally, 4 hours is nothing and we just require more patience. However, they could easily negotiate with rtg to devise something to allow the comps to be redeemed in the cashier.

Is there any reason why I shouldn't give INETBET a try?

 

[chuchu59]

Is there any reason why I shouldn't give INETBET a try?

Other than 32RED where you cant play at for obvious reasons, I can rarely find a casino with so much efficiency as far as withdrawals are concerned. They seem to process w/ds non-stop and help you along the way. Other customer services will not suit some players' likings and that includes myself. If you are on a hot RTG streak I recommend them because you will be paid with no hassles as long as you follow their terms to the letter.

 

[Nifty29]

After 3 attemps over a period of 4 hours, comps still not redeemed

AFAIK comps are only redeemed during CS hours which don't commence for a few hours yet.

 

[emily_hanson]

I do not understand why Inet creates so much work for themselves and in some cases cause customers to be disgruntled. Normally, 4 hours is nothing and we just require more patience. However, they could easily negotiate with rtg to devise something to allow the comps to be redeemed in the cashier.

Hi Chuchu and all

You are quite correct in your above statement, we could make it much less time consuming for ourselves, however that is not what the majority of our players want.

I believe all other RTG Casino comp programs are automated (as far as I know) ours is a manual process.

The reason for this is our comps grow as they accumulate, that is, the first 50 points will redeem for $5, when you reach say 500 points then 50 points will now be worth $12.50. This continues to grow with every 50 points added until you are at 1950 you will then receive $34.25 for 50 points added.

Unfortunately to offer this we have to convert them manually, which in itself is a lot of work, however we feel the extra cash that we offer is worth a short delay now and again.

Thank you for allowing me this brief explanation.

Best regards
Emily

 

[chuchu59]

Hi Chuchu and all

You are quite correct in your above statement, we could make it much less time consuming for ourselves, however that is not what the majority of our players want.

I believe all other RTG Casino comp programs are automated (as far as I know) ours is a manual process.

The reason for this is our comps grow as they accumulate, that is, the first 50 points will redeem for $5, when you reach say 500 points then 50 points will now be worth $12.50. This continues to grow with every 50 points added until you are at 1950 you will then receive $34.25 for 50 points added.

Unfortunately to offer this we have to convert them manually, which in itself is a lot of work, however we feel the extra cash that we offer is worth a short delay now and again.

Thank you for allowing me this brief explanation.

Best regards
Emily

Emily,

I understand what you are saying thus my earlier comments. Your comps are progressive in nature so the more comps you redeem the better the rewards, However, RTG should be able to handle this conversion automatically. The software is advanced and surely the cashier can do the trick.

 

[MaryJean]

AND I GOT PAID YESTERDAY TOO!

I am happy to report I got paid yesterday afternoon.

The mail takes a longer time than when we could use QT but Inetbet seems to be on the ball.

Now if I could just keep the Pony Express galloping my way I'd really be happy!

Thank you Inet
MaryJean

 

[daveboz]

A piece of friendly advice RE: Inetbet

Just a heads up for those considering Inetbet. Be careful, this casino takes no prisoners. Just a little friendly advice... Does not take long.. Just like at CWC expect a 300% return within the first hour or so if you are a new customer....

High rollers especially steer clear. Stay below $5 a spin and you have a chance. Just tested them out the past few nights. Different kind of action than CWC, bigger wins during spin cycle, in exchange for mostly 5x-10X feature payouts. 200-250 spins is pretty much the average here. I hit a few good ones and continued playing through at $5-$12.50 per spin. Hit my features and got paid 5-10x bet average even up to 20 free spins. Also, what's with hitting a feature on the first spin after completing one? RTG cringing about how poor the last payout was? Seems to happen a lot. Or you hit it and get another 5X bet.

Win at Inetbet ... cash out... one poster recently said of his experience with an RTG casino; "something does not seem right". This one is different, as subtle as they come. But their servers are heavily monitored..

Once I fell through the 25X bet balance the screen kinda gave a brief mirage flash and then the screen color changed than it was over 25 straight $0.... Yes I was watching and waiting for it...It is a common "tell" in the RTG system. When you are nearly bust on a deposit you will hit a few wins so as not to go away completely mad. Happens all the time. But not this time, I caught the switch......

Loose Caboose of all games, the lowest RTP, I've ever seen requiring 300+ spins at a $12.50 bet to win 4 spins. LOL Won $24.25!

 

[Nifty29]

Just a heads up for those considering Inetbet. Be careful, this casino takes no prisoners. Just a little friendly advice... Does not take long.. Just like at CWC expect a 300% return within the first hour or so if you are a new customer....

High rollers especially steer clear. Stay below $5 a spin and you have a chance. Just tested them out the past few nights. Different kind of action than CWC, bigger wins during spin cycle, in exchange for mostly 5x-10X feature payouts. 200-250 spins is pretty much the average here. I hit a few good ones and continued playing through at $5-$12.50 per spin. Hit my features and got paid 5-10x bet average even up to 20 free spins. Also, what's with hitting a feature on the first spin after completing one? RTG cringing about how poor the last payout was? Seems to happen a lot. Or you hit it and get another 5X bet.

Win at Inetbet ... cash out... one poster recently said of his experience with an RTG casino; "something does not seem right". This one is different, as subtle as they come. But their servers are heavily monitored..

Once I fell through the 25X bet balance the screen kinda gave a brief mirage flash and then the screen color changed than it was over 25 straight $0.... Yes I was watching and waiting for it...It is a common "tell" in the RTG system. When you are nearly bust on a deposit you will hit a few wins so as not to go away completely mad. Happens all the time. But not this time, I caught the switch......

Loose Caboose of all games, the lowest RTP, I've ever seen requiring 300+ spins at a $12.50 bet to win 4 spins. LOL Won $24.25!

So, because you didn't win for a few nights, the casino is rigged I.e. heavily monitored.

Honestly, you really need to consider if online gambling is really for you.

I also think that you should refrain from accusations of dishonesty against operators, as you have absolutely no evidence other than the fact that you lose. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is tired of the same "Xx is rigged" rant every time you don't win.

 

[daveboz]

So, because you didn't win for a few nights, the casino is rigged I.e. heavily monitored.

Honestly, you really need to consider if online gambling is really for you.

I also think that you should refrain from accusations of dishonesty against operators, as you have absolutely no evidence other than the fact that you lose. I'm sure I'm not the only one who is tired of the same "Xx is rigged" rant every time you don't win.

Why are you assuming I lost?

 

[daveboz]

Why are you assuming I lost?

Actually I was up 6 x deposit tonight. maybe 4 x last night.

yes its rigged. look at my screenshot tonight. nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop. Especially when it takes nearly $1,800 in wagers/churn to hit it. I was fortunate to hit it with pretty balanced wins throughout the 300 plus spins.

The 200X win automatically caps the payout on a feature at this casino, totally rigged.

How about 400x $10 on mr money last night? zilch. Rigged..

played again today at $5 hit three , 10-25x payout.

 

[Nifty29]

Actually I was up 6 x deposit tonight. maybe 4 x last night.

yes its rigged. look at my screenshot tonight. nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop. Especially when it takes nearly $1,800 in wagers/churn to hit it. I was fortunate to hit it with pretty balanced wins throughout the 300 plus spins.

The 200X win automatically caps the payout on a feature at this casino, totally rigged.

How about 400x $10 on mr money last night? zilch. Rigged..

played again today at $5 hit three , 10-25x payout.

No it is not rigged.

Please educate yourself about how slots work and such things as variance.

 

[Simmo!]

nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop.

True. I had not one but two 10 free spin sessions on Zeus this week (with extra stacked wilds) that paid... $0

I am around 100% certain that none of the major softwares are rigged - RTG, Playtech, Cryptologic, Microgaming, IGT, WMS - or:

a) they wouldn't have TST certificates
b) no-one would play there (as obviously anyone who thinks software is rigged would stop playing it)
c) Brands like Ladbrokes etc (and in particular those that are PLC and answer to shareholders) wouldn't risk not doing due diligence
d) After all these years don't you think someone, somewhere would have posted some proof?

If a player can't - or won't - get their head around game variance (volatility) and how to manage a bankroll then they are a casino-owner's dream player

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[chuchu59]

Actually I was up 6 x deposit tonight. maybe 4 x last night.

yes its rigged. look at my screenshot tonight. nobody wins only $20 on ten free spins at $6.25 a pop. Especially when it takes nearly $1,800 in wagers/churn to hit it. I was fortunate to hit it with pretty balanced wins throughout the 300 plus spins.

The 200X win automatically caps the payout on a feature at this casino, totally rigged.

How about 400x $10 on mr money last night? zilch. Rigged..

played again today at $5 hit three , 10-25x payout.

Oh come off it Dave. Not again! The examples you are quoting are merely based on the assumption that each and every feature that you get will pay out handsomely. Otherwise, the software is deemed rigged. If this were so, your screenshots in the WS thread are fefect examples of rigged software - but in your favour that is. You are on a RTG hot streak as judged from your recent posts and screenshots so please dont cry foul whenever you hit a bad patch. Be fair man.

 

[Jeffreysmile]

Also waiting on a withdrawal

I was lucky enough to win on their no deposit bonus. I am a US player and tough to find casinos that accept US players. So I tried inet bet and won. I signed up for a "mypaylinq" account, and its been a week now, no withdrawal yet. I am trying to find legit casinos to deposit into, and based on the long withdrawal times, makes me hesitant to want to deposit money.

 

[LaHutti]

No it is not rigged.

Please educate yourself about how slots work and such things as variance.

So how excactly did you come to that conclusion ?
And where and how did you become better educated than anyone else, in online gambling ? Do you have a certificate, that shows your degree, in playing slots online ?
I'm PRETTY sure I'm not the only one, who's tired of hearing how educated you are, and how NOT educated everyone with a different opinion than yours are.

 

[LaHutti]

Oh come off it Dave. Not again! The examples you are quoting are merely based on the assumption that each and every feature that you get will pay out handsomely. Otherwise, the software is deemed rigged. If this were so, your screenshots in the WS thread are fefect examples of rigged software - but in your favour that is. You are on a RTG hot streak as judged from your recent posts and screenshots so please dont cry foul whenever you hit a bad patch. Be fair man.

THAT on the other hand, sounds like an educated reply.
Well put chuchu.

 

[rainmaker]

So how excactly did you come to that conclusion ?
And where and how did you become better educated than anyone else, in online gambling ? Do you have a certificate, that shows your degree, in playing slots online ?
I'm PRETTY sure I'm not the only one, who's tired of hearing how educated you are, and how NOT educated everyone with a different opinion than yours are.

To give you an friendly advice.

Your post would have looked much better if you just asked the question "So how excactly did you come to that conclusion". The rest of the post will just generate more personal attacks.

You need to quit this at some point. People here are not interested in your beef with Nifty.

 

[silcnlayc]

The examples you are quoting are merely based on the assumption that each and every feature that you get will pay out handsomely.

Anyone look at the past (prior UIGEA) hits and non hits to see if there has been a big change?

The one thing that used to be (IMO) the goal WAS to hit the feature, whether it be the free spins or bonus rounds. That was the ultimate end to all the spins and investments many , many years ago. The casino (again, just my opinion) have wisened up on this and made a major change to the way the bonus/free spins are paying out.

Anyone thinking that these good runs still exist (the great bonus/free spins) is out to get a licking. Look way back...run my name if you like and see when I said this will come to pass. It seems many have forgotten those free spin/bonus wins that used to return a minimum of at least 100x your bet (of course, this is prior to UIGEA) and now accept this as the norm.

It is the norm now, so anyone playing, must really take care in what they are willing to lose. I just spent 5 hours in fun mode at the same casino playing the same games till I hit a feature and boy is it brutal. I invested over $400 @ 2.50 a spin to catch 16 spins at 6x the money and got..$149 return....figure it out...this again repeated on the next slot and then the next...$300 in...110 out...250 in...80 out...so...the casinos know what they are doing....they KNOW we feed off the feature rounds and have so adjusted them.

All I can say is..take care and stop trying for the "big" one because it is no longer there as you think it is..it will cost you two to three times the amount just to "catch" it...Just enjoy yourself or go to a landbased casino where you can walk and take a break...to ease the need..


Just my thoughts on this...
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[Nifty29]

Anyone look at the past (prior UIGEA) hits and non hits to see if there has been a big change?

The one thing that used to be (IMO) the goal WAS to hit the feature, whether it be the free spins or bonus rounds. That was the ultimate end to all the spins and investments many , many years ago. The casino (again, just my opinion) have wisened up on this and made a major change to the way the bonus/free spins are paying out.

Anyone thinking that these good runs still exist (the great bonus/free spins) is out to get a licking. Look way back...run my name if you like and see when I said this will come to pass. It seems many have forgotten those free spin/bonus wins that used to return a minimum of at least 100x your bet (of course, this is prior to UIGEA) and now accept this as the norm.

It is the norm now, so anyone playing, must really take care in what they are willing to lose. I just spent 5 hours in fun mode at the same casino playing the same games till I hit a feature and boy is it brutal. I invested over $400 @ 2.50 a spin to catch 16 spins at 6x the money and got..$149 return....figure it out...this again repeated on the next slot and then the next...$300 in...110 out...250 in...80 out...so...the casinos know what they are doing....they KNOW we feed off the feature rounds and have so adjusted them.

All I can say is..take care and stop trying for the "big" one because it is no longer there as you think it is..it will cost you two to three times the amount just to "catch" it...Just enjoy yourself or go to a landbased casino where you can walk and take a break...to ease the need..


Just my thoughts on this...
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Your opinion is well-formed.

It's a shame you don't have any data at all to back it up.

If you use the wayback machine and look at CM forums well before the US issues, you will see the same complaints about how the slots "don't pay like they used to" etc etc. If you and they are correct, then nobody at all would be playing because nobody at all would be winning anything....and this is not the case.

The winners screenshots thread has plenty of big hits, so how do you explain that? I also don't know of any slot anywhere that paid out 100xbet in just about every feature.

One thing that has changed is that most new slots are very high variance, meaning that there will be lots of low paying features along the way.

I know you have touted this theory before, and it remains completely unfounded. If you collect some data or come by some other related information e.g. backend screenshots, reel changes, I am (sincerely) all ears.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29: It's a shame you don't have any data at all to back it up.

Nope, no, no data at all. Doesn't matter all that much anymore since the USA Players have been pushed out...check the screenies...see how many USA ones there are...there is the "proof" of change. I do not need the Enquirer to show me pics to believe either...even if they say it is proof of unadulterated photos and data on the front page...the aliens have arrived photo...yep..got to believe cause it shows it right there...the proof!!!! Just goes to show, that data and proof are ironclad and can never be skewed or wrong!!

ALIEN SPACESHIPS TO ATTACK EARTH IN NOVEMBER!
Posted on Saturday, July 16th, 2011


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[Nifty29]

Nope, no, no data at all. Doesn't matter all that much anymore since the USA Players have been pushed out...check the screenies...see how many USA ones there are...there is the "proof" of change. I do not need the Enquirer to show me pics to believe either...even if they say it is proof of unadulterated photos and data on the front page...the aliens have arrived photo...yep..got to believe cause it shows it right there...the proof!!!! Just goes to show, that data and proof are ironclad and can never be skewed or wrong!!

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I guess when you cannot put forward a proper argument, the best defence is to distract with completely unrelated material. It's cool. It says a lot to the readers, particularly newbies and lurkers, about the substance of your theories. Posting pics of flying saucers is pretty much hitting the mark when it comes to your "thoughts".

I could also point out that the lack of US screenies is related to the restricted choice of casinos and, hence, the decline in the number of active US players. I could also point out that many members do not post screenies at all, so making sweeping statements about this equalling lower payouts is nonsense at best.

Yes, it is "proof of change" i.e. there are less players from the US due to the UIGEA.

It's a shame you cannot take the debate seriously, but I understand why you choose to avoid doing so.

 

[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 : I guess when you cannot put forward a proper argument, the best defence is to distract with completely unrelated material

Nifty29 , I chose this route. I had a "proper" reply but came back and erased it because I know I do not need or crave your approval or need or want to prove anything to you since you so convieniently fail each and every time to prove they have not changed. Where is YOUR proof of this non change? Show me the following ....you can't can you, so how can you claim and say it is the truth so blindly???

some data or come by some other related information e.g. backend screenshots, reel changes, I am (sincerely) all ears.

Back at you...show me your proof all is the same....I do not see a screenshot of anything prior to UIGEA or after from you showing things are the same..so how can you go around spouting this as "the truth"?

It's a shame you cannot take the debate seriously, but I understand why you choose to avoid doing so.

Debate? What debate? I see no data or proof on the table that all is the same to dispute my claim of things have changed..only when both sides show "proof" can one have a debate..where is you side?

I know, you subscribe to the Enquirer and believe....all that is....I do understand....it is a powerful feeling knowing all....and that rag (newspaper) is the best IMO too! So I guess we do have something in common!


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[Nifty29]

Nifty29 , I chose this route. I had a "proper" reply but came back and erased it because I know I do not need your approval or to prove anything to you since you so convieniently fail each and every time you demand from another in proving they have not changed. Where is YOUR proof of this non change? Show me Back at you...show me your proof all is the same....I do not see a screenshot of anything prior to UIGEA or after from you showing things are the same..so how can you go around spouting this as "the truth"? I know, you subscribe to the Enquirer and believe....all that is....


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You erased the "proper" reply because you know it would be open to argument....because your theory is based on nothing other than, well, I don't really know because you haven't supplied any basis.

You're asking me to "prove" that there has been "no change (in payouts)". I'm not the one posting in the first place that things have changed - it's up to you to prove your theory. Geez, talk about a cop-out..."I'm not gonna prove mine unless you prove yours first"

I didn't say there was any proof of there being "no change". I said there was no proof of there being a change in payouts......which, in turn, means that there is no change. The fact that you cannot provide proof that payouts have changed proves my argument.

If you had said "I think the payouts have changed. It's just a feeling I have. I have no evidence to back it up, it's just my thoughts" then that would be completely fine and I would be respecting it. However, you are making claims and I am refuting them. It's up to you to make your case.

A good starting point would be to gather RTP % published annually by most casinos. Make a graph or spreadsheet over 5 or 10 years. If it shows the dramatic fall you are talking about, then I accede to your point of view. Of course, the conspiracy theorist bereft of evidence would just say "well they are all lying anyway etc etc".....I hope you don't take that path. I would collect the data myself but I'm not the one making the claims. If you're serious about your views, then the above is a great way to begin the collection of evidence.

I don't see what subscriptions to the Enquirer or any other publication has to do with anything. It just appears to be a cheap shot to, once again, divert attention away from the lack of data/evidence you possess.

 

[silcnlayc]

Today 10:15 PM Nifty29 : If you had said "I think the payouts have changed. It's just a feeling I have. I have no evidence to back it up, it's just my thoughts" then that would be completely fine and I would be respecting it.

I guess this does not qualify for some reason especially since you posted just what I posted? ...huh?

Just my thoughts on this...

Where's my respect now??? LMAO....you really do know how to cheer up others..and I thank you for that!

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[silcnlayc]

Nifty29 : I don't see what subscriptions to the Enquirer or any other publication has to do with anything. It just appears to be a cheap shot to, once again, divert attention away from the lack of data/evidence you possess.

It has a lot to do with the things you say....you say one thing and it is already said but then claim something different...it is like the Twilight zone when reading what you write...hence..the Enquirer...for those that want the "Truth" ones own truth...just as your previous post shows...


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[Nifty29]

It has a lot to do with the things you say....you say one thing and it is already said but then claim something different...it is like the Twilight zone when reading what you write...hence..the Enquirer...for those that want the "Truth" ones own truth...just as your previous post shows...


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Examples please? I am not the one stating that casinos are somehow "cheating" US players by lowering their payouts?

Again, attempting to deflect the attention away from the real issues....which you have still not addressed.

I guess this does not qualify for some reason especially since you posted just what I posted? ...huh? Where's my respect now??? LMAO....you really do know how to cheer up others..and I thank you for that!

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No, you made a whole lot of unsubstantiated claims based on nothing and then added at the end "It's just my thoughts". It is not the same at all. You actually proport to have evidence, when you clearly do not (less screenshots is not evidence btw).

I respect anyone and everyone who can put across a point of view and back it up with facts. I have demonstrated this time and time again over the past decade.

I do not have respect for those who make wild accusations (and by saying casinos are lowering payouts behind the scenes it is exactly what you are doing) and disseminate baseless theories and don't even attempt to back it up with anything other than "I lost" or "the features don't pay like they used to".

There is no point continuing the debate, as you are constantly avoiding the issues and resorting to making personal comments about my characted based on what publications you think that I read, among other pointless comments.

 

[chuchu59]

We have neither the technical expertise nor the resources to back up everything we say. Most things in the world are first felt by a gut feeling followed by trial and error. Its a pity I dont have the financial resources to try them out incessantly. However, I observed that payouts from the features seldom pay out as much as they used to but imo this is not what the operators are aiming at. They are most likely to look for ways to reduce the rtp by a couple of percentage points unnoticingly by say lessening the number of small scatter wins. You cant prove it or otherwise but if you take the time and patience to observe you might notice some changes.