I'm Done With Online Gambling

[Westland Bowl]

Let's look at the evidence. I presume you have read about the latest betfair fiasco, which was not the first of its kind. Don't you think that if the casinos really had a sophisticated player strategy detection system, they would have noticed earlier that hundreds of players were covering all numbers in roulette? You can beat the imagined strategy detection system by flat betting or by using your own random number generator.

Would you elaborate? How could a casino cheat systematically while making it undetectable so that the results would pass any statistical analysis?

I haven't read anything about the Betfair fiasco so I really can't comment on that in regards to what I'm saying.

So what kind of evidence would be satisfactory to you?

 

[NASHVEGAS]

Why even play online casinos anymore? It took me forever to just get deposits in and it's not worth it. qt is now grayed out in my deposit options and no visa transactions are going thru unless you play in mcg and then it states the amount in euros so I'm going to be hit with all kinds of fees.

I got one casino left and I can't deposit today. I'm cleaning the house and hitting up hard rock...all this back and forth really proves nothing. 90% believe it's fair and the other half doesn't.

I do believe they've changed and not for the better.

FIFY

 

[Mirvel]

Would you elaborate? How could a casino cheat systematically while making it undetectable so that the results would pass any statistical analysis?

as a so called dummy i got a question...
what do you want to detect trough statistical analysis, algorithm checks w/e..... if you dont know what your looking for?
as long as random apears as random there is nothing to look for....
thats the magic of "random"
its 10 million times easyer to create a random generator in a controlled environment that wil do w/e i want, than it is to detect that it cheats.... in fact it is impossible to prove (without a doubt) if they cheat or not if you dont analyze the functions that creates the output also........
and they dont analyze that......

 

[ksech]

as a so called dummy i got a question...
...

I wasn't referring to you as a dummy, I was calling myself a dummy...
Your posts are difficult for me to read. I'm sure there is a really important message you are trying to impart, but your posting style is hard on my eyes. No insult was intended.

 

[silcnlayc]

Originally Posted by gloria460
Why even play online casinos anymore? It took me forever to just get deposits in and it's not worth it. qt is now grayed out in my deposit options and no visa transactions are going thru unless you play in mcg and then it states the amount in euros so I'm going to be hit with all kinds of fees.

I got one casino left and I can't deposit today. I'm cleaning the house and hitting up hard rock...all this back and forth really proves nothing. 90% believe it's fair and the other half doesn't.
I do believe they've changed and not for the better.

NASHVEGAS: FIFY

Got me Gloria! If Nash didn't point that out...laffin to hard to respond to my ill reading.....too funny guys! Thanks for the giggle!

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[GrandMaster]

I haven't read anything about the Betfair fiasco so I really can't comment on that in regards to what I'm saying.

So what kind of evidence would be satisfactory to you?

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for an example.

 

[Seventh777]

The only strategy B.J. software needs is - The banker always shows 10 and deals you 12-16 with a guaranteed hit card of 10-9-8-7-6 thus busting you by 1, I think if casino software was coded for a players M.O. it would be structured around slots and to encourage more deposits.

Just my $2 .

 

[Westland Bowl]

I haven't read anything about the Betfair fiasco so I really can't comment on that in regards to what I'm saying.

So what kind of evidence would be satisfactory to you?

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for an example.

Wow! Well, I can't quite put that much time and effort into it, especially after I've already made up my mind based on my actual play.

I'll add this though (even though I don't have proof): I believe that flat-bettors, industry affliates and those who do not approach blackjack (or any other games) in a systematic way, generally receive a more random game than those who have won money and/or use a betting strategy. I believe audits generally test casino software through flat-betting rather than test the system using any progression or other strategies. If you are rated as an advantage player, you would get a game that is manipulated. Just my opinion and I'm taking my money elsewhere.

 

[LinkinFart]

Let's look at the evidence. I presume you have read about the latest betfair fiasco, which was not the first of its kind. Don't you think that if the casinos really had a sophisticated player strategy detection system, they would have noticed earlier that hundreds of players were covering all numbers in roulette? You can beat the imagined strategy detection system by flat betting or by using your own random number generator.

Why would any online casino try to manipulate a game when someone is using illegal strategy???

btw Westland, smartest move You could make. Wanted to say this in the first post but I forgot and it would get lost. I made similar move but it was online poker in my case and it was the best thing I did in a long time. Good luck, and now its really luck.

 

[Nate]

There is a big contrast between land-based casinos where you can see the cards being shuffled and drawn from the shoe and the online casinos where you don't and you are supposed to trust them to deal you a fair game.

Online casinos are computerized and as such they will analyze your betting strategy and make strategic adjustments in anticipation to your moves. This is not random to the extent that real shuffled cards are. With knowledge of how you bet and your bet amount before the cards are dealt, the result will be likely in favor of the online casino even though cards drawn will still meet the definition of "fair and random."

I do much better in land casinos using some of the same strategies I used online. I know of others who experienced the same thing.

But I know there are those who would disagree with me. That's fine with me. I would just say look at what you are facing when gambling online: software that analyzes your strategy and the virtual cards, wheel or dice; optimizing software that favors the online casino while maintaining appearances of fairness.

I've had enough of it. I'm quitting while way ahead. If regulation comes in US, I'll be reviewing government auditors methodology and procedures of how they determine a fair online game.

For now, the reality is the online casino holds the cards, hidden from you. If land-based casinos did that, there would be far fewer land casinos. Think about it.

P.S. I believe the closest fair gambling software is Galewind Software that powers Pinnacle Sportsbook. But Pinnacle is not available to US players.

There is a simple Philosophy behind this - All Roulette, Blackjack and Poker games (Irrelevant if Video or Table) are RTP driven.

You will NEVER get a GENUINELY RANDOM game as long as the RTP plays a part. Think of your hands as a bunch of predetermined cards that form part of a set amount of combinations. The cycle must complete itself in order to get to the RTP. Your combination of cards are randomly drawn from the set amount of combinations - Just like a Sot Machine...

Does this fall into the definition of Random - Yes

Does this fall into the definition of Truly Randomly Shuffled Cards - NO.

Nate

 

[Westland Bowl]

There is a simple Philosophy behind this - All Roulette, Blackjack and Poker games (Irrelevant if Video or Table) are RTP driven.

You will NEVER get a GENUINELY RANDOM game as long as the RTP plays a part. Think of your hands as a bunch of predetermined cards that form part of a set amount of combinations. The cycle must complete itself in order to get to the RTP. Your combination of cards are randomly drawn from the set amount of combinations - Just like a Sot Machine...

Does this fall into the definition of Random - Yes

Does this fall into the definition of Truly Randomly Shuffled Cards - NO.

Nate

Oh, yes! SLOTJACK! How could I've forgotten?

 

[GrandMaster]

You will NEVER get a GENUINELY RANDOM game as long as the RTP plays a part. Think of your hands as a bunch of predetermined cards that form part of a set amount of combinations. The cycle must complete itself in order to get to the RTP.

There is no cycle. If you roll a fair die many time, the proportion that each number occurs will tend to 1/6. The same thing will happen if you generate random integers from 1 to 6 with a good random number generator. Cheating is not required, the Law of large numbers will take care of everything.

 

[GrandMaster]

Why would any online casino try to manipulate a game when someone is using illegal strategy???

Not to manipulate, but to notice what's happening. It must be a lot easier to notice that a lot of people are playing with a bonus and covering every number in roulette, than to identify what strategy a player is using (if any), then to guess his next move and to generate results that will cause him lose but which do not appear to deviate from a fair game significantly.

 

[LinkinFart]

Not to manipulate, but to notice what's happening. It must be a lot easier to notice that a lot of people are playing with a bonus and covering every number in roulette, than to identify what strategy a player is using (if any), then to guess his next move and to generate results that will cause him lose but which do not appear to deviate from a fair game significantly.

Of course it is but whats the point in wasting more time (processor time) on a player that cant cashout. Maybe I`m missing what You`re trying to say, from my perspective You`re only stating the obvious, its easier to detect bonus abuse than to identify betting strategy.