I think Piggs Peak owes me $20

[deaning]

m249a and others that did not read the main thread on our forum...the bottom line is Roelof's reply about the raked hands that should clarify the issue for all (I took the liberty of bolding):

Now as you are mentioning the Terms and Conditions: It states the following:

A Raked Hand Is:

A raked hand is a hand where a poker player contributes towards a poker pot where the amount in the poker pot allows for a portion of the poker pot to be raked out of the poker pot .The minimum amount being $5.00 where $0.25 would be the poker rake. Each poker player involved in the poker pot where a rake is taken will be credited with a raked hand. You do not have to win the hand to qualify with a raked hand. A raked hand can only be credited on tables of $0.50/$1.00 and up.

You have played 932 raked hands which is fine and way more than the required amount of 100. The problem is that Your lowest rake was 0.01 and highest was 0.11. We specifically state that a raked hand is 0.25. This means that you played the wrong tables as well.

My wife made the following post right after his initial post on the subject, a matter of only a few hours later:

lppa2004, I have been informed of some of the details regarding your allegations and we do ask when you make allegations like this to please state all the facts. Which I clearly see you did not.

You didn't mention that your chat was disabled due to some horrible language you used, and that's what got you upset. You also didn't note that you did receive a cashout for all monies owed to you except the $30 bonus moneyn that was given to you free.

Please in the future do not post your flames here, you are of course allowed to post problems, just make sure you state all the facts. I know you've been a contributer for this forum for several months and I don't want to discourage you from that, but PLEASE don't use our board for your personal wars and vendettas. I can assure you and all the readers here that Poker333 has not ripped you off in any way.

I don't like to delete posts, it's not practiced here for a lot of reasons, for one it is a good reference for me when looking up users who abuse our forum. It will also set an example to others on what not to do here. I have no problem with players bitching about a room even if it's one we represent here, just make sure you do state all the facts first.

Roelof and Sandy have more than earned their respect here and I'm sure many will agree to that.

Our forums are generally closed to non members but I opened the relevant threads for public view and will leave them that way for now so any interested can aquaint themselves of the full thread and allay any of these claims of player bashing etc:

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[chuchu59]

Okay i am just going to paste 2 seperate posts that have been posted on other forums to make this easier...
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A quick heads up on piggs peak poker... I recently attempted to cash out and close my account, when i did my money was kept and my account disabled...


In this order, i deposited $20 in order to cash out the minimum amount so i could in essence close the account, i recived an email the next day from their poker manager Sandy Koor stating that i hadnt met the rake requirements for a bonus they gave me... However this is completely impossible since i had made two prior cash outs after the bonus was given.. one was approxiamtely 3 days later and the other was a weak after the bonus was given.. WHen i emailed back a bit angered by this Mr Koor replied back and said that i should get a lawyer and that they were keeping my money and disabling my account

So if you playt at Piggs Peak poker beware, they might feel like keeping your money if you decide to leave their cardroom.. And if you thought about playing there,, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THIEVES
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El Ing.. you can support the thieves all you like.. THey had no reason to keep that money... I made my rakes, if i didnt make the rakes how in the hell was i able to cash out two times prior when the bonus already had been given.. you can belive the liars or ypou can belive the player who was ripped off....

IF YOU DONT BELIVE ME... HERES A NETTELER READOUT OF DEPOSITS AND WITHDRAWALS

Date Description Debit(-) Credit(+) Curr. Status

FINAL DEPOSIT (the one stolen) Oct 4 12:44 Piggs Peak Poker $20.00 - USD Accepted
SECOND CASHIN Sep 26 08:13 Piggs Peak Poker - $75.00 USD Accepted
FIRST CASHIN Sep 18 06:47 Piggs Peak Poker - $50.00 USD Accepted
FIRST DEPOSIT Sep 14 17:30 Piggs Peak Poker $30.00 - USD Accepted

Now, if you notice... I opened the account on the 14th, the deposit would of been given on the 15th, i played many many hands between the 14th and the 18th and made a withdrawal for $50... the withdrawla came through... 1 week later after playing a bunch more and winning i made another withdrawal for $75.. then over a week later after playing quite a bit more at the cardroom.. I attempt to make the 3rd and final cashout and am met with a resposnse of they are keeping my money and disabling my account...

Now lets be honest here folks.., My chat was disabled by Prima not by Piggs Peak, the reason i chose to make the cashout was because of this, it was also the reason for me closing the account... The reson Piggs Peaks kept the money had nothign to do with that bonus, they done it because i told them i wanted my money and anted to close my account, when they realized they werent going to make anymore money off me.. they chose to keep my hard earned money, just like typical shady thieves

O and I do have the guts to post anywaher, i hadnt known about casino meister or ECORGA.. and i will make sure to contact them too

Very amusing. Ippa,you said "lets be honest,folks" but you are far from being honest. From the evidence submitted by Deaning,it seems that you did not complete your raked hands and hence you are ineligible for the bonus. That said,however,it does seem strange that Piggs Peak should have awarded the bonus and then let you cash out,only to find out later that a mistake was made and withhold your balance. To top it off,you deposited another $20 which they confiscated. Piggs Peak,if you are reading this,give Ippa back the remaining balance in his account because you did not rectify the issue in time by letting him off with the bonus and cashing it out. The best thing to deal is to clear his account and have no further dealings with him. Frankly,I do not accept Ippa's actions especially his abusive language but do away with this guy for a sum of $20+ and you are rid of a thorn. And yes,please remember to rectify problems in time and not attending to them afterwards.

 

[lppa2004]

and the fact remains that they are consistently lying about the number of raked hands... one day i have enough to make withdrawals, the next time im told i only have 34, then im told i have none... read the posts... they of course will not provide me the records of the raked hands i got or didnt get, they have also refused to provide me with the chat transcripts from thje day they told me i only had 34 rakes... If PPP is such a reptable business then why wont they answer my emails for the requests of said documentation and records... WHY,, because they are LYING about it.. i mean that seems like the obvious reason to me...

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SENT ON OCROBER 13th and still unanswered
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Well since your making this a rake issue... I want all of my records regarding these so called 932 rakes that were all 11 cents and under... i want timestamped copies as well
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SENT NEXT DAY AND STILL UNANSWRED
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I also want a copy of my chat transcripts from using the Live Help feature on the day you closed my account.. in other words i want all correspondence with Peter on Sept. 5th...and they are to be time stamped as well
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THey have chosen to cut all commucication regarding the matter, therefore sounds to me like they are hiding something...

Also and of course, i see the moderators and site admin are consistently still bashing me on the PA forum... If those posts were going against your guidelines, why are you leaving them up???? And also I want to know where you told me i was breaking the rules... When i was told to state the rest of the facts, i immediately did so.. therefore i didnt make allegations that werent true... then the rest of the time i was defending myself against the abusive forum members and trying to state more facts that were being ignored by the forum mods and PPP.. but then as sated before.. they dont care about the facts.. all they care is that im no longer putting the negative word out on PPP on their forunm that supports PPP.. PA say they would of helped, i dont belive they would have..

 

[lppa2004]

Very amusing. Ippa,you said "lets be honest,folks" but you are far from being honest. From the evidence submitted by Deaning,it seems that you did not complete your raked hands and hence you are ineligible for the bonus.

THe key word in the bolded satement is.. IT SEEMS

They have told me too many different numbers for me to believe any number they throw at me...

Because i can honestly sit here and tell you that the amount of the highest rakes hand was 11 cents is a bold faced lie... If that is the case they are trying to say i never once sat down at a .50/$1 table whioch is simply not true... Hell for that matter. it means the highest limit table i played is a 10 cent table... i can sit here and tell you right now that is also a lie...

I have been nothing but truthful about everything stated.. I havent denied anything taht "I" did wrong nor will I... I have nothing to gain from lying.. well i do have MY money to gain.. but for me $20 aint worth lying over, especially not in this situation...

As things stand now, the only thing i done that was wrong was my bad language in chat, frankly though the disabled chat is an unrelated issue, the only relationship it has to this case is, that my chat being disabled is the reason for me wanting to cash out all of my money form Prima based rooms... After that fact, it is irrelevant to the case against me and PPP.. The only reason it has been brought up by PPP and PA is to assault my character...

Not sure why the rest of you cant see that?

 

[chuchu59]

THe key word in the bolded satement is.. IT SEEMS

They have told me too many different numbers for me to believe any number they throw at me...

Because i can honestly sit here and tell you that the amount of the highest rakes hand was 11 cents is a bold faced lie... If that is the case they are trying to say i never once sat down at a .50/$1 table whioch is simply not true... Hell for that matter. it means the highest limit table i played is a 10 cent table... i can sit here and tell you right now that is also a lie...

I have been nothing but truthful about everything stated.. I havent denied anything taht "I" did wrong nor will I... I have nothing to gain from lying.. well i do have MY money to gain.. but for me $20 aint worth lying over, especially not in this situation...

As things stand now, the only thing i done that was wrong was my bad language in chat, frankly though the disabled chat is an unrelated issue, the only relationship it has to this case is, that my chat being disabled is the reason for me wanting to cash out all of my money form Prima based rooms... After that fact, it is irrelevant to the case against me and PPP.. The only reason it has been brought up by PPP and PA is to assault my character...

Not sure why the rest of you cant see that?

Well,Ippa,as it stands you and Piggs peak are on different sides of the argumrent and I do not want to dwell further. however,you should show a bit of EQ when handling similar matters. Such abusive language,both in your chat room and at this forum are totally unwarranted. In a court,both the plaintiff and accused will like to get into the jury and judges' good books,sometimes called a first impression. Let the facts speak for themselves and dont just assume everyone is not on your side. Remember you said that casino players are assisted and poker players arent. Isnt this just jumping to a conclusion too hastily. You cant make many friends this way. I dont know about you,but I play mostly for entertainment and to kill time. Why make yourself so unhappy over this issue especially when you know that help is on the way and this issue can be amicably solved provided everything comes clean.

 

[Chatmaster]

OK it is time that I state something very clear. The moment I got involved with this insident I made shure that everything was handled in a transparent manner. I have never made a post and afterwords changed my facts. From the beginning Chris knew exactly where he stood and why. He was just not open for the truth. Strictly spoken we were able to keep more money back. But we decided to just keep back the 2 nd bonus given to him, which was $30. As explained in PA he didn't meet the T and C on raked hands. He was allowed to cashin more than he deposited!

m249a Great story, but I am afraid it doesn't apply to this situation. This guy actually walked away with a free sucker for his kid at home as well. Believe me I never intended to make such a big issue out of this but I also can't see this carry on and on and on. Anyway, we are willing to give full cooperation to Bryan if he is interested to look at this insident. :notworthy Also my apologies to Bryan for pointing the way to this forum. But at the time it seemed like the right thing to do.

 

[lppa2004]

reposting on next line.. sorry

 

[imnotac]

Piggs Poker

Piggs Poker is losing a lot of potential customers because of this post. if i were from "Piggs", i'd give this dude's $20 bucks so he would shut up and forget about everything...it's not worth it. the value is immaterial to put up a fight...save your energy for bigger issues. business isn't about emotions..it's about the money, and right now your losing a lot (me and the future readers) because we don't care whose right or wrong....many people will stay away from sites with bad publicity. there's a lot of shady chracters (persons and corporations) in the internet poker world and it's pretty hard to identify them. so more people will be relying on forums like this for information so don't tarnished your image for just $20.

 

[lppa2004]

I dont know about you,but I play mostly for entertainment and to kill time. Why make yourself so unhappy over this issue especially when you know that help is on the way and this issue can be amicably solved provided everything comes clean.

The thing is, its been almost two weeks and ive gotten zero help anywhere.. So being at my wits end, im beginning to wonder where the help is. I cant get any cooperation from anyone... It is boiling down to almsot everyone believing PPP.. Its seems like everyone is so sure that they are PURE and would never do anything wrong... Frankly i dont know if they actually did anything wrong but i do know that there is definitely someone making mistakes or telling lies.. I just know that i feel like ive been stolen from, lied to, and completely disrespected...
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Apparently chatmaster you are a PPP represenative.. so maybe you will have the common courtesy to touch on why you all havent or wont provide me the records for my rakes and the chat transcripts with peter from the live help feature..

Now, what are you trying to say when you said that YOU LET ME cash out more than i deposited... I deposited $30, you credited me $30.. i cashed out a total of $125, and had a remainder balance at the time of the $75 withdrawl.. All monies i cashed out, I won fair and square.

If anyone is losing money here, its ME... There is no way you didnt make back that bonus from the hours upon hours i played... And i can tell you right now that your seriously mistaken or telling a bold faced lie if you say my highest rake was $0.11 and my largest bet was only $0.85.

If the above is true, how come I played in severeal of the $1K freerolls (50 rake min - on $0.25 tables and above). It would be next to impossible to play in these $1K freerolls and never go over a max bet of $0.85 and a max rake of $0.11.

This also would mean that i never played once on a $0.50/$1 table.. And that is completely untrue.. because anytime i have over $40 in my bankroll I play mostly on these tables and switch up occasionally to just 25 cent tables... My entire prima play record will show that pattern across multiple rooms/skins

This is exactly why i want to see my rake records with my own eyes, yet for some reason you guys refuse to provide them along with the chat transcripts from the live help feature. (conversation with peter on day of incident)

Any honest and reputable business would of immediately provided me with these records.

So on that note im challenging you to prove if your a reputable and honest business by asking publicly that these records be released to me, or that you publicly provide a explanation as to why you havent or will not give them to me when i requested them..

Your continued silence will say alot?

 

[lppa2004]

Piggs Poker is losing a lot of potential customers because of this post. -- business isn't about emotions..it's about the money, and right now your losing a lot.

I really doubt PPP is losing much money, one thing is for sure they are up $20 right now... If you actually think this post is costing them much, you might wanna look into how much money these places rake in off us each and every day... And i mean profitable rake... I dont know exact numbers, but i bet its in the hundred thousands range and if not that, at least in the upper teens.. so i really seriouslyl doubt this is affecting their profits much...

Altho right now i cant say i feel any pity for them if it is..

By the way imnotac im not trying to start anything with ya, i actually appreciate that little bit of support about giving me the $20.. I just wanted you to undersatnd that not much will really affect these poker rooms daily profits, especially ones that have any sort of growing popularity

LOL.. for every one person that reads this and gets turned away another 5 will probabbly take their place.. remember there is no such thing as bad publicity.. it may not always help, but any publicity... good or bad.. is advertising.

 

[deaning]

Also and of course, i see the moderators and site admin are consistently still bashing me on the PA forum... If those posts were going against your guidelines, why are you leaving them up???? And also I want to know where you told me i was breaking the rules... When i was told to state the rest of the facts, i immediately did so.. therefore i didnt make allegations that werent true... then the rest of the time i was defending myself against the abusive forum members and trying to state more facts that were being ignored by the forum mods and PPP.. but then as sated before.. they dont care about the facts.. all they care is that im no longer putting the negative word out on PPP on their forunm that supports PPP.. PA say they would of helped, i dont belive they would have..

I will ignore the bashing bit, that is absolute garbage.

Read El's quote on my last post here as to why we leave posts up.

You quoted me yourself, on this very thread, of my pointing out to you at PA a portion of our code of ethics and I gave you several further suggestions further along in the thread.

There is one simple reason why we have so many poker rooms represented at PA and that is to garner player/poker room relations. Many of the reps are there on a voluntary basis outside of their job descriptions and that we greatly appreciate and why we insist on polite public communications.

I will offer you some sound advice that will serve you well in the future (it is up to you whether you heed it or not):

Collate your material...it is not much help saying later oh yeah I forgot that bit and here is some more...

Present the lot in a cool, calm and collected manner.

Copy your own chat transcripts and keep screenshots or records of play.

 

[m249a]

I did a member search for pigs peak poker on your web site and here as well. I was unable to find them listed. Now perhaps they post under a different handle? I do find it odd that a company would not stand up and say this is our reply to this and this is who we are. As far as me not having my facts straight, and or the openly bashing of a new poster at this forum, until proven otherwise I stand by my statements. It is easy to say "I have the real scoop on this guy and he is lying", and then not back up your claim with facts. Posting links to your forum, IMHO is little more then a cheap underhanded way to gain hits on your web site. If you were trully concerned about the player's issue reaching resolution then you would have left well enough alone. The player made the step by comming here, and you followed him with the "facts" as you precieved them to be. Again, IMHO you could have chosen to PM this info to Bryan, or simply have let the situatiion handle itself. The fact is though you chose to attack him again.
Dear chatmaster, if you are a rep of piggs peak poker then please come right out and say so. Otherwise keep your slanderous crap to yourself. I further caution you to refrain from condescending me in this forum. I would take such treatement from JPM, bryan and others...but not from a brand spanking new 2 time poster.
lppa2004...I hope that my stance on this issue is not in vain. I am standing side by side with you in what I precieve to be an open attack on your rear end. However, if this issue is proven (and I mean PROVEN, not some newbie inflamatory B.S. but judgement handed down from the meister) that you are knowingly in the wrong, it will really be open season on your ass.

 

[deaning]

IMHO is little more then a cheap underhanded way to gain hits on your web site. If you were trully concerned about the player's issue reaching resolution then you would have left well enough alone.

Wrong again...sheesh..assume all you like. The LAST thing I want is HITS..the forum threads access was made member only a couple of months ago due to the huge amount of traffic now generated, no need for sensationalism in posts and hits... It ain't a voyeur forum just serious poker players only.

It is easy to say "I have the real scoop on this guy and he is lying", and then not back up your claim with facts.

Ummm...you said that!

I sure didn't....you are having a go I think and the radar is on. Have we crossed paths before?

 

[lppa2004]

Copy your own chat transcripts and keep screenshots or records of play.


That is not wholly my responsobility.. If so that means a player is always suppose to be weary of the poker room, i didnt sign up with PPP under the assumption i couldnt trust them, therfore i didnt forsee any need to keep records myself, as for not copying the chat on the day of the incident well emotions were high that day and i didnt think id even need them,, i never suspected things would progress to them out and out lying... Either way none of that matters, it is their sole responibility as a honest and reputable company to provide me with any records regarding the case at hand, if they do not provide these.. then that means thay are hiding something??

Lets hypothesize here Deaning...

Lets say your in a similar position as mine.. a poker room has publicy stated how many rakes you have, but you know that what they posted is not true, so you email support and the poker manager requesting a copy of your rake records.. However they wont give these to you... Now, wouldnt you think they are trying to hide something from you.. BE HONEST, dont just automatically answer NO because it woulndt show support for PPP.. remember its just a hypothetical question

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OKAY now onto this little thing again about the guidlines... TELL ME.. How far into the thread did you post the guidlines... let me go look?

WOW.... PAGE 3 at the very end.. and as i stated before.. your quote was quite vage on the guidlines

BASIC ETIQUETTE
Do unto others covers most of that..
We have the priviledge of having many of the leading poker rooms represented here. Many of these we have had personal dealings with over a period of time. They can help resolve any problems that may arise and we ask that this be treated with the respect it deserves.

They are not obligated, they are helping us to help you.

Problems should be addressed factually and politely and will result in speedier response than unfounded accusations

Okay at the end of the thread you tell me that my guidlines are Do unto others, and how privileged you are to have "many of the leading poker rooms" . and blah blah blah... can you tell me where exactly after the thread was locked that i broke any of your guidlines... and really can you tell me how i broke any of your guidlines in the actual thread itself...

Because after the thread was locked the only thing i done was open new threads defending myself against some of the crap that was said before the original thread was locked... i dont see what i done wrong there.. i wa sonly doing unto others as they had done unto me...

Now before the thread was locked i factually posted any and all details regarding to the case.. if you say only facts are to be posted then you should be banning Poker333 for lying about those rake & bet amounts.. Of course i cant show you proof of this because they wont reveal the real records and numbers to me.

So again i challenge you to show me where exactly i broke rules, i think the real reason now that you banned me is because I was actually putting up a good argument against your precious Poker333

 

[deaning]

Dear chatmaster, if you are a rep of piggs peak poker then please come right out and say so. Otherwise keep your slanderous crap to yourself. I further caution you to refrain from condescending me in this forum. I would take such treatement from JPM, bryan and others...but not from a brand spanking new 2 time poster.
lppa2004...I hope that my stance on this issue is not in vain. I am standing side by side with you in what I precieve to be an open attack on your rear end. However, if this issue is proven (and I mean PROVEN, not some newbie inflamatory B.S. but judgement handed down from the meister) that you are knowingly in the wrong, it will really be open season on your ass.

So, you cover your arse, "slanderous crap"

You will only be "condescended" to by certain individuals (Hey! YOU brought that up!)

You will only TAKE it by certain individuals (kinky): "JPM, bryan and others"

Yet you threaten the guy with and I QUOTE:

if this issue is proven (and I mean PROVEN, not some newbie inflamatory B.S. but judgement handed down from the meister) that you are knowingly in the wrong, it will really be open season on your ass.

 

[lppa2004]

o and like i said about your moderators still bashing me?

Done wasted all that time posting this for that idiot and Synergy done booted him!!!
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mitchell1204
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LOL birdman, this guy is history. By another post, I think his final tally was$3.07. Then he wanted to threaten PPP here in the forum! Now he's at another forum threatening PA! This guy definately has a problem! I'm all for working a problem out if we can. But some people it's just impossible!
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mitchell1204
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Location: Chattanooga, TN
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Sorry but you were again trying to insinuate im a liar or something.. Altho i do apologize for putting the site admin in as well.. its just one of your moderators, but still.. cant leave well enough alone can he.. jeesh sounds a bit familliar... guess im not the only one with that problem.. yet I was in the wrong for doing it, even though i have good reasons not to give up... like at least 20 of them

 

[Zacaroni]

I just like to add, at Poker Analysis, we are glad to help anybody, unless they come in with a bad attitude and a total disregard for the forum rules. Which he has repeatedly done. Even when we locked his thread for him repeatedly name calling and refusing to cooperate,we moved it to the Good,Bad and the Ugly forum for others to see. What did he do, He returned to the promotional area of the forum and started all over with a new topic to pick up where he left off! After slandering the Piggs rep and even the site administrator he was locked out. I don't really care about his problem anymore, but I will pass on some facts.

He was locked out of All Prima rooms, not just Piggs
He fails to reveal the nature of his lock out other than a general explanation!
His dollar amount keeps changing, Last post at PA was like $3.07
Attitude has alot in the way his case is being handled!
Agreeing to Prima's Terms of Agreement specifies the players give up all rights to sue the pokerroom, can't hold them responsible for legal fees and such.Just have to read!
It also states in so many words that a person that violates the rules and for security reasons can be locked out and all monies confiscated!

I don't like this either, but rules are rules. You don't want your money confiscated, abide by the rules!
What he has done has to be serious enough to be locked out of all prima rooms! I'll leave that to your imagination!

Would you go into a courtroom yelling, "this guy is a thief ". I don't think that would go over too good with the judge!

Lppa, I really don't think you have a foot to stand on, but if you proceed, you need to hold a professional attitude. Good Luck!

 

[Zacaroni]

Seen our post crossed,LOL

Quotes from lppa2004:

>>>>ILL TELL YOU WHOS GUTLESS.. YOUR THIEVEING POKER ROOM

>>>>El Ing.. you can support the thieves all you like

I guess you think you can go to any forum and use them for your vendetta against a site! Our forum is for learning poker! Yes we do support Piggs, and we gave you a chance to clarify your problem which you did not! Not good for business when you try to down what creates our money!
Then you resort to calling our forum, thief supporters!

Truth be known, you where probably booted for collusion via chat!

 

[Zacaroni]

m249a Piggs Peak Poker is part of Poker333!

 

[jpm]

M249a, I hope you didn't think I was being condescending to you. That was definitely not my intent! My apologies if it came across that way.

 

[lppa2004]

Zacaroni grow up and quit your lying.. anybody can go look and see i never slandered anyone or called anyone names.. I Sure never once called a mod or admin names.. show me where, i can probabbly go through and find multiple instances of me being called names though by mod and site admin...

He was locked out of All Prima rooms, not just Piggs

That is not true, only my chat was disabled.. Cant be true just look for me saturday at the Bet365 5k freeroll, the only reason ill even step foot on a prima netwrok skin

His dollar amount keeps changing, Last post at PA was like $3.07

The 3.06 is what would be left if they took out the $30 bonus, yet they are keeping that too, which technically would be theft for real.. so i am telling the truth right now by calling them thieves

Would you go into a courtroom yelling, "this guy is a thief ". I don't think that would go over too good with the judge!

YES!! If i felt i was being stolen from(which i do), then I wouldnt hesitate going into the courtroom accusing them of being thieves.. If i am accusing them of stealing my money then wouldnt i be calling them what they are?

you can go to any forum and use them for your vendetta against a site!

I did not use your forum for a vendetta, i used your forum to warn others and try and get some kind of response or help to the situation i was having..

we gave you a chance to clarify your problem which you did not!

I dont think i could have gotten much clearer.. i show neteller statements and all they could muster up was to lie about my rakes publicly

Not good for business when you try to down what creates our money!

LOL, Zacaroni... Open mouth and Insert foot for your whole forum, And i as i said the real reeason I was booted is i was creating a bad image for a room that you all support,,, come on guys just tell it how it is...

Then you resort to calling our forum, thief supporters!

Since PPP is holding my money and i feel like they are stealing it, then i feel im well within my rights calling your thief supporters, since your forum is supporting thieves.

Truth be known, you where probably booted for collusion via chat!

Truth be known, if i was a viloent person and you were stand ing in front of me, id knock your teeth down your throat for making such a bold accusation... I have never cheated, and never will... I dont need to cheat and steal, im a much better player than that... And again it goes to show the integrity of the kind of supporters that Poker Analaysis has

Someone so quick to say that kind of stuff, is probabbly guilty of it themselves

 

[jpm]

Truth be known, you where probably booted for collusion via chat!

That was really out of line. I'd be pissed too lppa2004 if someone accused me of cheating. There is absolutely no proof of this Zacaroni and I think you should apologize. If it were a collusion issue, he'd be booted entirely and most likely banned from all Prima rooms.

 

[m249a]

Piggs peak and poker333 are one and the same, fair enough and thank you.

To the gentleman running the forum (deaning) no we haven't crossed paths before. Understand this sir, my replies are not personal, nor or they intended to be taken as such. If my statements regarding your posting of links to your forum came across as insulting then I apoligize. If your forum is locked to members only and outside traffic doesen't help your business (i.e. someone clicking onto your banners and you getting cash for the traffic) then I am man enough to admit when I step outside of the boundaries. Again please accept my sincere apolgy for making that statement.

I did NOT threaten the poster with the issue. I simply wanted to make sure in his heart of hearts, that he was fighting the good fight and wasn't wasting bandwith by screaming over something he knows he can't win. It is within my nature to root for the underdog, which quickly ended my sports waggering days lol. I felt the man wasn't getting a fair shake, and the statement that he was in cohots with others at the table further proves that statement. He isn't beign treated fairly (IMHO) and I am stepping up to the plate.

JPM, no I did not think you were condescing towards me, my statement was to imply that if you chose to do so, because of your status in this forum, I would not react to it in quite the same way as someone who only had a few negative only posts under their belts.

 

[lppa2004]

I simply wanted to make sure in his heart of hearts, that he was fighting the good fight and wasn't wasting bandwith by screaming over something he knows he can't win.

Listen ill be honest m2, i dont know if i can win it.. im sure trying.. i mean all i can do is show my side of the story and try to show whatever proof i can to support my claims, however in all fairness I am being denied any proof to potentially prove myself, this is why im constantly on top of this... Right now i am just hoping to at least get my $20 returned, but in all fairness if i did accumulate the rakes like i am prety sure i did then i deserve the entire $33.06, and if i they can prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that i didnt meet the rake requirements then they do technically owe me a balance of $3.06 or the right to play for those rakes, i wasnt even given this option...

Now to the rest of you all...

We are all here speaking about integrity, then i wil be man enough to step up and admit that yeah maybe i didnt handle everything in the best manner possible, i realize that my emotions got the best of me and i came off really strong but I do stand by my belief that I was well within my rights to be upset.. If i had known of other channels to proceed in the situation being investigated further id have taken that course of action before posting on the PA forum.. However I didnt know of any other way to get attention drawn to my situation, as i stated before when PPP cut off communication.. I didnt know where else to turn.. And well it worked.. but unfortunately when i felt like i was being attacked (even by the forum mods and admins), i felt the need to defend myself, what can i say... im only human

If i offended anyone that didnt deserve being offended.. Then I publicly apologize here and now...

I have had time to cool off and realize some of this stuff, but I am still upset and will continue to defend myself when people post negative comments about me... If they are deserved, then fine... But as of now.. i dont feel ive deserved one ounce of the bashings that some of you have been dishing out, and most has no real substance or truth to it.

Anyway I think im done for today.. getting a headache from yall stressin me over this... I have been treated unfairly by PPP and that is just a fact, and i will stand by that until all my resources on getting help are exhausted, and i either come out on top or lose the battle.

 

[Chatmaster]

m249a

I am indeed Poker333 on the PA forum. I have been representing Piggs Peak Poker / Poker333 on this matter. I honestly didn't need your 2 times poster remarks as this doesn't concern this matter at all. I haven't made it a secret that I was representing Poker333 at any time. However Chatmaster is my personal alias I have been using on a personal matter on forums all over the internet. Unforutunately the last thing I want is that Bryan does a IP check and find that I tried to pull trick #9 and ban me. I have edited my user description in that regard. Perhaps that will clarefy the missunderstanding.

Please understand one thing, mudslinging is not my speciality therefore I do not plan to reply to any of the slimy remarks made by Ippa2004. That seems to be his tactic on this matter, I prefer that Bryan have a look at this matter, and clarify what has happened here. If the mistake was made on our side by all means we will learn our lesson and admit to it.

To clear a few things up, Ippa2004 was not booted from chat because of collusion via chat therefore he is NO THIEF! It was for remarks and foul language made in the chat. He was blocked from chat by Prima after a number of complaints by players.

Imnotac,- The question about why didn't we just pay him the $20?

The moment we did that knowing that we did nothing wrong put us in a position where we allowed a person to blackmail (OUR POINT OF VIEW) us successfully for a lousy $20. He has threatened us that he was going to post us on every forum he could find. Which we felt he would have done anyway based on the correspondance we had with him from day one. He actually went out of his way to damage our poker room even after he was allowed withdrawing his money,... look at his heading on every forum he posted. Almost the same. "DONT BE RIPPED OFF" We are thieves? Sorry based on who's judgement? It is pointless to have any discussion with this guy.