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I think Piggs Peak owes me $20

Discussion in 'Casinomeister's Poker Room' started by lppa2004, Oct 11, 2004.

    Oct 11, 2004
  1. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    Okay i am just going to paste 2 seperate posts that have been posted on other forums to make this easier...
    A quick heads up on piggs peak poker... I recently attempted to cash out and close my account, when i did my money was kept and my account disabled...

    In this order, i deposited $20 in order to cash out the minimum amount so i could in essence close the account, i recived an email the next day from their poker manager Sandy Koor stating that i hadnt met the rake requirements for a bonus they gave me... However this is completely impossible since i had made two prior cash outs after the bonus was given.. one was approxiamtely 3 days later and the other was a weak after the bonus was given.. WHen i emailed back a bit angered by this Mr Koor replied back and said that i should get a lawyer and that they were keeping my money and disabling my account

    So if you playt at Piggs Peak poker beware, they might feel like keeping your money if you decide to leave their cardroom.. And if you thought about playing there,, DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ON THIEVES
    El Ing.. you can support the thieves all you like.. THey had no reason to keep that money... I made my rakes, if i didnt make the rakes how in the hell was i able to cash out two times prior when the bonus already had been given.. you can belive the liars or ypou can belive the player who was ripped off....


    Date Description Debit(-) Credit(+) Curr. Status

    FINAL DEPOSIT (the one stolen) Oct 4 12:44 Piggs Peak Poker $20.00 - USD Accepted
    SECOND CASHIN Sep 26 08:13 Piggs Peak Poker - $75.00 USD Accepted
    FIRST CASHIN Sep 18 06:47 Piggs Peak Poker - $50.00 USD Accepted
    FIRST DEPOSIT Sep 14 17:30 Piggs Peak Poker $30.00 - USD Accepted

    Now, if you notice... I opened the account on the 14th, the deposit would of been given on the 15th, i played many many hands between the 14th and the 18th and made a withdrawal for $50... the withdrawla came through... 1 week later after playing a bunch more and winning i made another withdrawal for $75.. then over a week later after playing quite a bit more at the cardroom.. I attempt to make the 3rd and final cashout and am met with a resposnse of they are keeping my money and disabling my account...

    Now lets be honest here folks.., My chat was disabled by Prima not by Piggs Peak, the reason i chose to make the cashout was because of this, it was also the reason for me closing the account... The reson Piggs Peaks kept the money had nothign to do with that bonus, they done it because i told them i wanted my money and anted to close my account, when they realized they werent going to make anymore money off me.. they chose to keep my hard earned money, just like typical shady thieves

    O and I do have the guts to post anywaher, i hadnt known about casino meister or ECORGA.. and i will make sure to contact them too
  2. Oct 11, 2004
  3. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    I'd like to hear more about why they disabled your chat. You must have done something pretty egregious to have them do this.
  4. Oct 12, 2004
  5. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Language like this won't get you very far.

    eCogra has a policy of not assisting if postings like this are being made (bashing the casino in public). You can email Tex Reese to see if she'll make an exception. I would prefer that agrieved players refrain from these sort of postings as well. I'm on the road at the moment and won't be back to work until next Monday. You'll probably have to wait until then for me to do anything.
  6. Oct 12, 2004
  7. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    What are people suppose to do.. just sit back and accept that they are being ripped off, why is it so wrong to post that you have been ripped off by an online gaming site.. so what if im bashing them.. they deserve it for keeping my money when THEY are in the WRONG for doing so...

    In my case i didnt even know of a route i could take to dispute or make a complaint, the only option i could think of using was to tell them i would spread the word of their dirty deeds.. In the process of doing so I learned about eCORGA and IGC and this place... Until then i was unaware of any other way to help setle a dispute.. The only option i came up with early on was to contact the national Gambling Board of South Africa, of whom would control Piggs Poker B&M Casino as well as i thought they would control the online sites... NGB never responded to my emails, that is when i decide to take things into my own hands and post on the forums i could find and at the very least warn others of the potential they may be ripped off...

    So I personally feel as if I have done nothing wrong by posting to the forums... And i also dont feel im in the wrong for being upset and using words or phrases that convey my displeasure... It may not be professional, but the fact my hard earned money is being kept makes it hard for me to react to the situation in a proffesional manner... And i know im not the only human who would react this way..
  8. Oct 12, 2004
  9. imnotac

    imnotac Dormant account

    damage done

    whether it's true or not, i won't be gambling at "piggs". hearing negative comments about internet gambling sites is a sure turn off. i know there are two sides of a story but i would not risk my money to find out who is telling the truth. the damaged has been done.
  10. Oct 12, 2004
  11. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    well its looking more and more like im officially screwed... got my reply back from eCORGA... see below
    Dear Chris;

    I appreciate the effort you have made to contact eCOGRA and explain your predicament. I do however regret that we are currently not in a position to become actively involved in the resolution of this issue, as eCOGRAs dispute mediation service is a benefit offered exclusively to players at casinos which are formally approved by eCOGRA

    eCOGRAs efforts thus far have concentrated on the traditional casino games and our eGAP document is based on this. We do intend to bring Poker into our eGAP in the future but do not have the ability at the moment to assist you with your problem.

    May I suggest that you contact the poker room again and try to settle this dispute amicably? If you do not receive a satisfactory conclusion to your query, that you then contact Microgaming Software Systems Limited (You must register/login in order to see the link. under contact general) who would be able to direct your query through the appropriate channels.

    Well that says it all... poker players get screwed while casino players get help.. what a load of crap... im beginning to think all these place are affiliated and all are shady businesses protecting their greedy intrests
  12. Oct 12, 2004
  13. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    If you would just mellow out, I'll take a look at this when I return.
  14. Oct 12, 2004
  15. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    You still haven't explained why they banned you from chat. That makes me think it has alot to do with this situation.
  16. Oct 13, 2004
  17. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    my chat being disabled by prima has nothing to do with this other than it is why i wanted to cash out from my prima accounts that had money remaining and move on.. i wasnt goin to remain on a network where my chat was disabled.. why would i?
  18. Oct 13, 2004
  19. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN

    yet another person with roughly my same experience

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
  20. Oct 13, 2004
  21. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    No offense Ippa,but there must have been a reason for the diasbling of your chat. Did you ask them why, instead of taking the more drastic action of moving to another network. Actually,I am having a dispute with one of the Piggs Peak string of casinos but really, you shouldnt be calling them thieves. Let us know the facts of the case and everybdoy will judge them on their merits or demerits. I have had several cases of casinos not paying me but I just post facts and refrain from branding the casinos as rogues. This way,people see it in a different light and concentrate on the facts of the case. Just keep calm and I am sure bryan will work out something for you on his return.
  22. Oct 13, 2004
  23. deaning

    deaning Dormant account

    His chat was disabled for abusive language. Why would he not answer that? A pattern of abuse that has continued on our forum and others. He has alienated any help he may have got from my wife or myself:
    He totally disregarded PokerAnalysis.com's code of conduct for complaints after several warnings...Roeloff has replied to the guys complaints. This guy just doesn't get it and probably busted every muscle of commonsense that would have had this resolved quickly and amicably!

    Meister, I suggest a read of the threads on our forum before extending help to this individual:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    After this topic was moved he started another in our PPP forum again ignoring our code of conduct:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
    And yet another:
    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Any help we were prepared to offer was long ago withdrawn and my apologies to Piggs Peak Poker and forum members for allowing it to continue as long as it did.
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2004
  24. Oct 13, 2004
  25. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    whatever... im tired of sitting back and waiting.. i want my money...

    If PPP was so reputable of a business, they wouldnt hesitate to provide me the records of my rakes.. yet they havent even made an attempt to reply to my email reuesting this...

    And im the one in the wrong.. im sick of this..

    My chat being disabled had not one ounce of anything to do with PPP... yet again someone wants to use that crap as an excuse... we can continue this forver

    And why should i tell you why my chat was disabled... you guys have only brought it up to draw attention away from the real problem and to make me look like the bad person.. well you know what... i think that sheds a bad light on you all just as well
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2004
  26. Oct 13, 2004
  27. deaning

    deaning Dormant account

    You did not say here your chat was disabled for foul language after several people asking why. You say why should you tell anyone...it seems to me to be a fundamental part of your initial problem...sheer abuse when faced with a minor issue that would have been dealt with promptly I am sure.

    Congrats...you have been booted from the PA forums!
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2004
  28. Oct 13, 2004
  29. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    it has nothing to do with my money being kept.. if they want to use that as reason well.. come one with that reason... thats a beauty of a reason.... because legally that has no merit as a reason to keep someone elses money.. if it were because i were cheating.. then fine they have a legitimate case to keep it... but i was not...

    and since when is money being kept a minor issue, i think that makes it a major issue worth complaining about to the fullest... in my opinion, money being kept is completely unacceptable, whether its $1 or $1,000,000,000 thats being kept, its theft and deserves to be dealt with in any manner neccesary.

    please define theft; here lets see what websters has to say:

    Main Entry: theft
    : LARCENY; broadly : a criminal taking of the property or services of another without consent
    and ----
    The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.
    Obsolete. Something stolen.

    Now if i am wrong, please point out how... PPP is keeping money without my consent.. which would make it theft.. therefore my earlier statement of calling them thieves is well within its bounds... How else am i too look at it.. i done nothing so wrong that warrants them legally keeping MY money. Its just not acceptable, and im not going to just accept it.. im going to post on it wherever until the issue is resolved.. and you closing the other threads was in bad taste.. i was well within guidlines.. i was doing nothing more than continuing to defend myself from the attacks of the PPP suporters and only continuing to provide facts into the case... apparently this is not something you want posted about someplace you are defending and supporting.. THE FACTS.. that is why i feel you closed the thread and moved it from the section that you use to support PPP,of course u dont want anymore bad press on someplace thats paying you.. i can understand, and relate.. but honestly, do i care right now?.. heck no... im out $20 at the moment... If you were in my shoes, you may very well be doing the exact same thing and feeling exactly the same way
  30. Oct 13, 2004
  31. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    Thanks for answering my question Deaning, I knew there had to be a good reason for Prima to disable someone's chat. They aren't going to do it willy-nilly.

    So let me get this straight lppa, you had something less than $20 in your account, and deposited $20 to get it over the $20 withdrawl limit but now PPP is refusing your withdrawl? Please post their reply to you as to why they are refusing your withdrawl.

    I think I would have just played it out or worked it up to over $20 rather than depositing more into a place I was leaving. Then if I did deposit $20 and they refused to give it back, I'd contact Neteller and file a formal complaint with them.
  32. Oct 13, 2004
  33. deaning

    deaning Dormant account

  34. Oct 13, 2004
  35. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN

    I have asked you numerous times people to clear up this thing of how i handled it poorly... I want to know what steps a person who has no idea what steps to take or has never dealt with having their money taken from an online poker site.. What steps are we suppose to take...

    You keep saying it would of been cleared up quickly and promptly.. well tell me WHAT I SHOULD HAVE DONE THEN... now dont forget, prior to the forums i had no clue where to turn and i was being ignored by PPP support...
  36. Oct 13, 2004
  37. lppa2004

    lppa2004 Banned User

    Lafayette, IN
    i see denning failed to explain that the reason two more psts were made is they moved and locked the original threa... for what reason... that thread was dealing with a site that is keeping someones money.. but tthen of course you all want to belive PPP soooooo bad that your willing to stoop to the level of banning the victim and not to mention bad mouthing the victim..

    ALl of my posts were in self defense and yet im the one banned... well guess what.. you may of banned me from posting under one name.. but apparently you cant stop me completely...


    Its always considered whining.. until the shoe is on the other foot

    Well the shoe is on my other foot.





    FYI, you forgot to lock the door as you boote me out.. awwww shucks.. the one you call unintelligent isnt so unintelligent now are they

    Also, i want to know exactly how i broke your rules...
    Do unto others covers most of that..
    We have the priviledge of having many of the leading poker rooms represented here. Many of these we have had personal dealings with over a period of time. They can help resolve any problems that may arise and we ask that this be treated with the respect it deserves.

    They are not obligated, they are helping us to help you.

    Problems should be addressed factually and politely and will result in speedier response than unfounded accusations
    I factually posted... i tried to be polite as i can be regarding my money being stolen from me.. but i was met with hostility from your members... and yet i see not one of them getting repriamnaded... your banning me was a mistake, but then thats okay.. remember this--- support thieves and eventually they will also steal from you..
  38. Oct 13, 2004
  39. pokeraddict

    pokeraddict Webmaster

    Pro Poker Player
    Las Vegas
    First let it be known that when a poker room bans your chat you have done one (probably more) of the following:

    1. Used a racial slur in chat
    2. Made a threat to another player in chat
    3. Habitually violate language rules
    4. Constantly abuse/berate fish suckout artists
    5. Accuse the software or poker room of being rogue in some way.

    Even after those you have to do it enough times to get caught, or have players email support.

    As for what Bryan says about posts here is where you went wrong, you dont call them thieves in a post and expect much help, I think we have all made angry posts but calling them thieves when your story obviously was incomplete was a bad idea. I made one about betcris that I feel was tasteful but got my point across although it was much more a service issue then what you have.

    If you have really cashed out your deposit amount and all that is missing is this bonus be happy and move on, the fact that you are this abusive in the forums makes me imagine just what a joy you would be at a table and I am sure I know why you got chat banned.

    In the future if you have an issue like this I would not abuse the management, especially in a situation like this with so many outs to get paid if that is right thing. If I remember correctly at Prima all the skins are their own banks unlike most if not all other rooms where one central room holds it all. You could have gone to Prima if Piggs Peak didnt get it right in your opinion, then gone from there. Since you have surely pissed PP off beyond belief it is time to give up and rethink your strategy on what you will do if this ever happens again, you surely have not made any friends during this temper tantrum and forum owners will always remember this.
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