I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

And in my opinion - and take it for what it's worth - the management of an affiliate program reflects directly on the business ethics of the casino itself. There is no separation between the two. If you are willing to spam the hell out of a search engine that is designed to be a tool for collecting and searching for information, who's to say this casino won't go to extremes to trick players into making deposits, or throw some weirdness into their terms and conditions?
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Thank you for that. It is exactly what I think. Unethical is unethical.It's a general attitude and it carries throughout the actions.
 
I'm perhaps showing my (affiliate sector) ignorance here, but surely the best way to attack this sort of bad practice is to inspan the search engines themselves?

Do they not care? Surely this is clogging up the works for them, too and any substantiated complaint would result in direct action where it counts - from the search engines themselves?

The engines do a little mopping up by hand if they receive sufficient numbers of complaints that have all the necessary info. Real people do look at the spam complaints.

Mostly the complaints are used to devise new algorhythms though, which will hopefully prevent the same type of spam from recurring.

This is an ongoing battle which recently has been taken to it's all time high by groups like Casinopays actively holding contests to locate webmasters using such spam programs and willing to spam the engines for them.

Once located, these webmasters are hired to continue.
 
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Do they not care? Surely this is clogging up the works for them, too and any substantiated complaint would result in direct action where it counts - from the search engines themselves?
Put like that it sounds easy. But it is far more complicated than that.

One of the biggest problems Google has about reporting Search Engine Spam, is that millions of Webmasters consider Search Engine Spam as ANYTHING that ranks above their site in the SERP (Search Engine Results Pages) and they don’t mind reporting it as Spam. So google has millions and millions, I am not joking or exaggerating here about the numbers, of Webmasters sending in Spam Reports every month about sites that are not considered Spam by the Search Engines. So every valid Spam complaint gets buried by tens of thousands of bogus reports... Now that’s Irony.

There are ways that Webmasters can become ‘trusted’ by google and then the Spam reports submitted by these ‘trusted’ Webmasters are given weight and are investigated by a real person. One way to become 'trusted' by google is to join their Webmaster Tools programme (used to be known as google site maps) and have ALL your sites verifyed by google, then when you report Spam, report it through google's Webmaster Tools and make sure that it is in fact Spam as defined by google and not just a page that out ranks you.


Back to the Subject:
I would really like to see what Cpays has to say about all this. I hope he decides to post here.
 
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For what it's worth, Cpays did contact me to let me know that they are taking this seriously and this will be resolved in a few days.
 
For what it's worth, Cpays did contact me to let me know that they are taking this seriously and this will be resolved in a few days.
In a few days... you mean after the contest is over?

Hey Dominique, I have thought about it and I have changed my mind, I will be putting up a Cpays Blacklist page in a few days.
 
I just spent a whole hour of my and two of my employees time reporting javascript SPAM to google and guess what... every single page of SPAM we reported redirected to a Cpays Casino and we reported all the Spam we saw and there was a LOT of it.

Yup, I am glad I changed my mind about listing Cpays as a Blacklisted Casino programme, got my monkey working on a Rogue Cpays page as I type this.

Dominique, after a lot of thought, I believe your right about taking care of these Spammers. It is just like cleaning a lived in house, it never ends.

The most amazing thing I see in this Cpays disaster is the support Cpays is getting from one small sector of our industry.

I find it amazing that one of the so called “watchdogs” of the casino affiliate industry not only defends Cpays but has tried to stop the blacklisting of Cpays for months now. Even in the face of all the proof that Cpays is a scumbag spamming outfit, this person still defends and protects Cpays... Methinks this person is not what he seems to be. I won’t name names here, but I think every Casino Affiliate out there knows who I am talking about.
 
I see where Cpays now sz they are going to start addressing the issues.

Hey Ora, how about not paying your affiliate ID "aimer" for all the SPAM, you know all the stuff showing up in the search engines like this...

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mattsabrina.mabulle.com

It looks real good when you turn off the javascript and look at it...

When this shit starts disappearing from the search engines I might decide to put Cpays on Probation.
 
Casino Pays has made the very positive move of cleaning up the SEO contest:

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They very clearly refer participants to the google page for webmaster guidlelines.

This is a very positive step forward and one I truly appreciate. We just saved ourselves from hundreds of thousands of spam entries.

I will be adjusting my blacklist page accordingly.

There still is a lot of spamdexing to be dealt with, and I hope this big first step is a sign of great things to come and Casinopays will clean all the spamdexing webmasters out of it's affiliate and marketing system.
 
Casino Pays has made the very positive move of cleaning up the SEO contest:

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They very clearly refer participants to the google page for webmaster guidlelines.

This is a very positive step forward and one I truly appreciate. We just saved ourselves from hundreds of thousands of spam entries.

I will be adjusting my blacklist page accordingly.

There still is a lot of spamdexing to be dealt with, and I hope this big first step is a sign of great things to come and Casinopays will clean all the spamdexing webmasters out of it's affiliate and marketing system.


Definately a positive move, but:

We’re in the third week of the competition now and it’s
great to see that so many sites are already participating in the competition. However, we wanted to get one thing in the clear.
We thought it went without saying, but really, guys: No
dirty stuff! Any SEO caught doing any of the following:
stealing content, hiding links, etc. WILL NOT qualify for
any of the prizes. So keep it cool and... play nice!

edit: Why didn't they just cancel all entries and restart it? By not doing that, they're still going to have the spammers in it; thinking they can still break the rules and win...even if it's a futile attempt.

Also, it's quite funny the part about "We thought it went without saying, but really, guys: No dirty stuff!".....when they encouraged it in the first place.

And what about this little tidbit:
We our proud to present the Second CPayscom search engine optimization contest with a prize pool of $20,000! Again you are challenged to outsmart the biggest search engines on the internet! This time the big prize will go to the #1 MSN’er!

Outsmart? Forgive me if I'm wrong, but to me that sounds like "get around the rules and get your site up at the top, even on searches where it has no relevance"...
 
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I havent even got my Cpays Blacklist page up yet... But we will have it up in a day or two.

Actions speak louder than words, when I see some action from Cpays and not just talk we'll think about removing Cpays from the blacklist and putting cpays on the not recommened list, after all this we won't recommed them until they have new management.

Come on Dom your not even going to wait to see a little something more than a trite comment on their so called 'rules'... you can't really be saying that all of a sudden these guys are to be trusted at their word?

Dom if your going to back down so easy, why bother to blacklist them in the first place?

A quote from Ora at Cpays:

"We do not believe that banning the affiliate will solve the spam issue."

No they believe in paying the SPAMMERS... Dom I can't believe your pulling your Cpays Rogue page... These guys are the problem.
 
I think that CPays made a positive move, but it is just 'all fluff' until I see:

1. Results

2. Spammers BANNED and their accounts closed instead of CPays feeling that they can 'reform' them.


Until then, my blacklist pages remain. I think CPays will make the right move and begin to close accounts. It is only to their benefit to do so.
 
I am offering a free link to any Cpays Rogue/Blacklist page.

You can submit your page or you can PM me with it here.

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Does anyone have a conctact email address for anyone at CPays? Funny how abuse@ and spam@ emails bounce. Go figure. The only way I see to contact them is via the lame contact form they have setup. What a bunch of BS.


It seems that the same group that was spamming Vegas Red, Tropez, and Europa (The HI-R0LLER casino mails) have moved from CP to Cpays and are spamming the hell out of Vegas Lounge now.

They've even went to the extent of running 2 domains at once now in each email. I guess their domains were being shutdown too fast for them.


Update: Found manager@cpays.com on their T&C page. It was listed under the "exit traffic" clause, but no contact address is listed for the spam clause :rolleyes: Should we start a poll on whether or not CPays will act on this? ;)

It's being discussed on the CAP board (
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), but it looks like they're taking a laidback approach (Trying to contact the owner of the domains they're using, etc....), even after they've been told this is a group of about 70 spammers; and not just some individual.

As you can see, this email is almost the exact same as the VR group used. There's no doubt it's the same people.

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At the CAP thread, CPays responded that they are no longer paying one of the main SE Spammers. That is good in my book.

I would love to see them shut down the email spammer as well - they stated that they had already shut them down, but it appears not.
 
At the CAP thread, CPays responded that they are no longer paying one of the main SE Spammers. That is good in my book.

I would love to see them shut down the email spammer as well - they stated that they had already shut them down, but it appears not.

He doesn't seem to understand (although thouroughly explained to him) that this is a group of about 70 spammers all over the world working together. I really don't think they know what they're in for.
 
I agree with Dominique here.

I would love to see them shut down the email spammer as well - they stated that they had already shut them down, but it appears not.
I think the phrase, "Getting smoke blown up our ass", would be approprate here.

I don't know about you guys, but I sure don't like the attitude of Cpays, it seems to me that they are laughing at us and trying to play stupid little mind games.

God I wish the folks at Casino Pays would grow up and start looking at the long term instead of just doing ANYTHING to make a few quick bucks. From what I see Cpays is hurting everyone that has anything to do with online gambling and making things worse is really not the answer here.

"A laid back aproach at CAP", maybe it has to do with the fact that Cpays is a Gold Sponsor of CAC... Money talks very loud in this business...
 
Just a reminder that like Dominique, I am offering free one way links to any page that Blacklists or Rogues any Cpays casino or Cpays itself. So if you put up a Rogue/Blacklist page you will get at least two good links, one from Dominique and one from me, not to mention all the other links from other Webmasters that are fed up with this crap. Just PM me with your URL and I'll take care of the rest.

If you’re a Webmaster and your as tired as I am of this crap, you should put up a page or two, telling everyone how you feel about getting ripped off on daily basis by the affiliates that work for Cpays.

If your not a Webmaster and you enjoy gambling online, you can still make your voice heard, at Link Removed ( Old/Invalid) I encourage Players to leave comments in my Casino Directory, I publish all relevant comments, even if I disagree with them.
 
Boy, this is only getting worse.

The spamdexing sites are sprouting up at incedible speed, tens of thousands a day. And the mail spam is going nuts too.

CAP has several threads ging on this now, whoppers.

I have even had complaints from other operators for crying out loud!
 
I have even had complaints from other operators for crying out loud!


Now that's bad.....


Threads at CAP & here going unanswered as well as emails. Imagine that. I don't think they have the balls to come here and try and explain themselves.

They might as well get rid of all their current spammers and keep this group. I'm sure they're kicking everyone's ass, and cornering the market on casinos offered by CPays.

Look closely at the image below (taken from one of the spam sites)....notice anything wrong? :lolup:
 
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These guys are definitely getting worse. I am sick of CPays and I hope all players hear about these guys and know who is behind this crap! ClubDice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos, and CDPoker are the worst by far as far as the spamming is concerned.

I hope they all go bankrupt do to this idiotic campaign.
 
These guys are definitely getting worse. I am sick of CPays and I hope all players hear about these guys and know who is behind this crap! ClubDice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos, and CDPoker are the worst by far as far as the spamming is concerned.

I hope they all go bankrupt do to this idiotic campaign.


That's the problem. They're pretty much targeting new players that don't know any better...I mean c'mon...Anyone that's been around the block surely isn't going to sign up at a casino that's spamming them.

It's sick, disgusting, and quite unethical.
 

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