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I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

Discussion in 'Casino Industry Discussion' started by dominique, Aug 11, 2006.

    Aug 11, 2006
  1. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Well, this has been along time coming, I have finally rogued Cpays.

    Specifically these casinos : Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker.

    If you think 888 had unethical merketing methods, these casinos are the kings of all spammers.

    They also hold open contests for it, last one had 500,000 entries - all spam spam spam.

    Like this:

    http:/wiki.infogami.com/_edit/discussions?r=11

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    This won a prize!!!! How do you like finding nothing but this crap when you look for a BJ strategy or something at google or one of the engines?

    Unbelievable that this won a prize!!!!

    And they just launched another contest, so brace yourself for another 500,000 plus entries like that in your search results.

    I am rogueing these casinos and all odf CasinoPays, and if you have a website and make a page telling about why these casinos are blacklisted, I will link to you and so will many other sites.

    We have just gotten started here:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  2. Aug 11, 2006
  3. sneakattack

    sneakattack Dormant account PABnononaccred

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    Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.
     
  4. Aug 12, 2006
  5. The Watchdog

    The Watchdog Dormant account

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    Good move

    :thumbsup:
     
  6. Aug 12, 2006
  7. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Yes, that is the straw that broke the camel's back, but if you do a search you will find a lot of reasons why this group needed to be looked at more closely.
     
  8. Aug 12, 2006
  9. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Looks like a good story, Dom - do you hve any details on these spamming contests they are holding - is this like the Brandy Casino episode a while back?
     
  10. Aug 12, 2006
  11. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Before I join in...

    What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

    I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

    I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

    So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

    Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?
     
  12. Aug 12, 2006
  13. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    It is 500,000 times worse. That is the number of entries they got last time. Since there are not anwywhere near that many webmasters that could and would take part in a contest like that, we can assume that there are hundreds of thousands of duplicate entries generated by black hat searchengine spamming software.

    Last time a number of their winning entries had to be disqualified because they were duplicates.

    See here:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.

    Note how many of the entries have disappeared. Which legitimate webmaster would abandon a website that the searchengines rank so highly? Nobody. These are all spam sites, scrapers, blogspamming, message board spamming, whatever they can do. They even spammed the Forbes blog and got a prize for it and the webmaster who did it posted on CAP that he got a contract to run websites for them because of it.

    Here is the new contest:

    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
  14. Aug 12, 2006
  15. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    I have 888 on probation. That means I do not recommend people play there and all clicks on 888 properties are linked to a page explaining what happened and linking to all pages that blacklisted them. That way players can get the full story before playing there. I put 888 on probation because they have been cooperative in removing all the spam pointed out to them. They are however not approved because there is still plenty of spam out there and they are not proactive about it.

    With Casino Pays I hope to stop the flood of 500,000 more search engine spams, and I hope that Casino Pays will adopt google guide lines as part of qualifying measures this time. I hope that Casino Pays will respond to complaints by removing the offending webmaster and not delete one site when each of these webmasters have tens if not hundreds of thousands of them.

    And finally I hope they will be proactive about it.

    The only way this kind of spamming will stop soon, is if no one pays the spammers.

    I hope that in our industry, we can achieve that.
     
  16. Aug 12, 2006
  17. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Ok, so I get this straight.

    You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more ‘proactive’ in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

    If this is the case, I don’t know Dom, I don’t know if it is worth it or not.

    The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

    If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

    If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then I’m all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I don’t know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

    I don’t blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

    Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

    Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you can lay odds on it.

    >>>>Added
    BTW Dom, if you and I worked together we could win the SEO contest and split the cash... I am just joking... but you know we could... and we would not even have to go BH to do it...
     
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  18. Aug 12, 2006
  19. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    I don't necessarily want CPays to stop the contest, I want them to include the google guidelines as qualifying terms. That way the contest would be non spamming and in compliance with google's rules, which pretty clearly encourage ethical marketing and quality information.

    Yes, being targeted by black hatters is not fun, I know all about that. :eek2:

    Getting management replaced is probably not going to happen, I try to set reasonable goals that can be met and will reduce spam.

    So I think here the goals are to conduct a legitimate contest (and avoid another 500,000 spam entries), to clean up when there are founded complaints, and to proactively remove spam.

    I think this can be obtained and will improve the image of this industry.

    Ultimately it is google who will have to help here, and I just hope that some day they will allow me to help them. I am willing to do so in every way I can.
     
  20. Aug 12, 2006
  21. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Never know till you try.
    Before we started with 888, a lot of people were saying we were wasting our time.

    If all you want to do is just to get them to stop this contest or comply with googles guidlines, Im gonna have to pass for now. If you decide to upgrade the goals for this blacklisting down the road let me know.

    BTW - there is no way Cpays can comply with googles guidelines and still have the contest, the contest its self is an attempt to manipulate googles results and that is forbidden by google's guidelines.
     
  22. Aug 12, 2006
  23. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Yes, true.

    However, if the following things put forth by google are adhered to, there will not be a zillion spam entries, rather participants will learn something about building decent websites that are useful to players who search.

    Making these requirements part of the contest would result in quality entries and positive contributions to the industry and players.
     
  24. Aug 12, 2006
  25. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Don’t get me wrong Dom, in theory I agree with most everything you have said.

    I just think it will be wasted effort to try to get Cpays to comply with these type of terms. Even if they do comply as far as the SEO contest goes, what about closing the affiliate accounts of the spammers and some of the other shady stuff?

    You and I both know that the Management in question has been actively recruiting BH SEOs, we also both know that a big part of what this contest is all about is recruiting effective Blackhat SEOs, a long term plan to increase their search engine presence...

    So how can we hope to reduce the spam or improve the image of online gambling if the goal is anything less than the replacement of the Management Team responsible?
     
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  26. Aug 12, 2006
  27. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Lotso, I just want to help the problem.

    The most achievable and beneficial thing I can see is to include good qualifiers into the contest.

    I know I am not a radical person on many levels, and I am often opposed because I believe that people should be able to redeem themselves.

    I just want things to be right. Unleashing another 500,000 spam sites is just not right. It wouldn't be hard for CPays at all to fix this, so that is what I would like to see.

    I realize it fixes the immediate problem only and not the origin. But it is a move in the right direction, and it is much better than doing nothing.

    If we can also get better cooperation in the cessation of the use of spamdexing as Cpays marketing methods, that's good too.

    I don't think these are difficult goals to achieve, especially the contest improvement. I have asked for this previously at CAP but it was ignored. I just want to draw attention to it and hope to see it fixed.
     
  28. Aug 13, 2006
  29. lots0

    lots0 Banned User - troll posts - flaming PABnonaccred

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    Good luck with your effort Dominique.

    But to be honest, why would the Management at Cpays change the contest? It is doing just what they want.

    The management at Cpays is doing the contest in the first place to recrute Blackhat SEOs, so why in the world would they want to try to make the contest 'google friendly', that would defeat their goal for the entire contest... Finding effective Blackhat SEOs...

    >>>Added

    The comments by the Cpays Rep over at CAP just re-enforce what I believe. On one hand the Cpays Rep sz they are not criticizing anyone, but the Rep calls the affiliates that blacklisted 888 two faced and money hungry (You and I both know every affiliaite that took on 888 paid a price)... in my opinion, these folks are slime and I would not believe a word that came out of their mouths or off their keyboard.

    I also noticed that the Cpays Rep was in no hurry to stop the contest...
     
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  30. Aug 13, 2006
  31. AussieDave

    AussieDave Dodgy whacko backstabber

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    Dom the stand you took on scumware was commendable, if not for your commitment to that issue, we may have still be under its clutches today.

    Trying to stop SE spam is like trying to plug a dyke with a pkt of straws.
    :thumbsup: to those who try. But imo, your fighting a losing battle. (the casualities from the 888 issue stand as reason to my opinion).
     
  32. Aug 13, 2006
  33. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Ah, so much pessimism!

    It will not be perfect, and nothing in the past has been perfect.

    But it will help. Everything in the past has helped.

    At the end of the day, the casinos need us more than we need them.
     
  34. Aug 13, 2006
  35. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Here we go: You must register/login in order to see the link.

    I am still mopping up their listings on my site, in a day or two everything will point to the rogue page.
     
  36. Aug 13, 2006
  37. greedygirl

    greedygirl Purveyor of Onions CAG webmeister

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    First, kudos for fighting this fight. It's absolute crap what CPays is doing here and whatever can be done to prevent this from continuing (or growing) is good stuff. :thumbsup:

    I do, however, take issue with this particular comment:

    I'm about to step in a landmine, but here goes...

    When you say "us," I'm assuming you mean affiliates. While so many affiliates strive to do the "right thing," there's hundreds more out there who don't give a rats ass and are simply out for the quick buck. Were this not the case, we certainly wouldn't have sites like Cirrus, Prism, etc.

    Currently, offline marketing is growing by leaps and bounds. Ask any online casino head-of-marketing about their offline marketing development and you'll get quite an education of how important offline has become. It's a natural progression for this industry and one that any of us marketing online needs to take seriously.

    Do casinos profit greatly from the "good affiliates?" Absolutely. Have the "good affiliates" contributed to the success of online casinos? Absolutely. Are the "good affiliates" RESPONSIBLE for the success of online casinos? Arguable. Contributing and being the sole source of revenues are two entirely different things. I can guarantee that those less-ethical affiliates are responsible for far more revenues than that of their ethical, hard-working counterparts.

    While I certainly don't underestimate the power of those hard-working, ethical affiliates, I do feel it is an over-assessment to say that the casinos need "you" more than "you" need "them."

    With this in mind, I ABSOLUTELY believe that the "good" affiliates can help affect change--no question about it. It's been proven on dozens of occasions. What I DO question is the power of "good" affiliates in making change where both "bad affiliates" and crap operators are concerned. Without true regulation, it's a bit like plugging holes in a leaky boat with chewing gum, IMO.

    I hope whoever reads this understands I am NOT anti-affiliate (I've been trying to lose that moniker for years, now). I AM, however, anti-crap-affiliate and there does need to be that distinction. I also believe that all sides of the industry needs to be realistic and objective in our expectations.
     
  38. Aug 13, 2006
  39. dominique

    dominique Dormant account

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    Actually I was referring to us folks here at Casinomeister, players and webmasters. After all these years I still always see us working together, it just makes sense to do. It makes for a very strong union.

    Obviously the webmasters entering this contest with tens of thousands of spam sites are crappy webmasters. There are crappy programmers providing them with the tools to do so. There are crappy casinos paying for that stuff.

    It's like cleaning a lived in house. It never stops and you are never done, but the alternative is living in filth. So one does what needs to be done.
     

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