I have blacklisted Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker

dominique

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Well, this has been along time coming, I have finally rogued Cpays.

Specifically these casinos : Clubdice, Carnival, New York, USA Casinos and CDpoker.

If you think 888 had unethical merketing methods, these casinos are the kings of all spammers.

They also hold open contests for it, last one had 500,000 entries - all spam spam spam.

Like this:

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This won a prize!!!! How do you like finding nothing but this crap when you look for a BJ strategy or something at google or one of the engines?

Unbelievable that this won a prize!!!!

And they just launched another contest, so brace yourself for another 500,000 plus entries like that in your search results.

I am rogueing these casinos and all odf CasinoPays, and if you have a website and make a page telling about why these casinos are blacklisted, I will link to you and so will many other sites.

We have just gotten started here:

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jetset

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Looks like a good story, Dom - do you hve any details on these spamming contests they are holding - is this like the Brandy Casino episode a while back?
 

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Before I join in...

What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?
 

dominique

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It is 500,000 times worse. That is the number of entries they got last time. Since there are not anwywhere near that many webmasters that could and would take part in a contest like that, we can assume that there are hundreds of thousands of duplicate entries generated by black hat searchengine spamming software.

Last time a number of their winning entries had to be disqualified because they were duplicates.

See here:

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Note how many of the entries have disappeared. Which legitimate webmaster would abandon a website that the searchengines rank so highly? Nobody. These are all spam sites, scrapers, blogspamming, message board spamming, whatever they can do. They even spammed the Forbes blog and got a prize for it and the webmaster who did it posted on CAP that he got a contract to run websites for them because of it.

Here is the new contest:

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dominique

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Before I join in...

What are the goals of blacklisting Cpays? What do you hope to get Cpays to do by blacklisting them?

I entered into the banning of 888 along with you and others, but there were no goals set in the beginning and IMO the effort fell apart when everyone wanted to go their own way after an initial success.

I still have 888 Blacklisted, Dom you and others do not. I will keep 888 Blacklisted until ALL the management involved with the spamming is gone from 888 or they go out of business, which ever comes first.

So again, my question, what do you hope to accomplish by this action?

Do you just want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and then you'll lift your blacklist? Or do you want to see something more substantial as an out come from this Blacklisting effort?

I have 888 on probation. That means I do not recommend people play there and all clicks on 888 properties are linked to a page explaining what happened and linking to all pages that blacklisted them. That way players can get the full story before playing there. I put 888 on probation because they have been cooperative in removing all the spam pointed out to them. They are however not approved because there is still plenty of spam out there and they are not proactive about it.

With Casino Pays I hope to stop the flood of 500,000 more search engine spams, and I hope that Casino Pays will adopt google guide lines as part of qualifying measures this time. I hope that Casino Pays will respond to complaints by removing the offending webmaster and not delete one site when each of these webmasters have tens if not hundreds of thousands of them.

And finally I hope they will be proactive about it.

The only way this kind of spamming will stop soon, is if no one pays the spammers.

I hope that in our industry, we can achieve that.
 

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Ok, so I get this straight.

You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more ‘proactive’ in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

If this is the case, I don’t know Dom, I don’t know if it is worth it or not.

The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then I’m all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I don’t know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

I don’t blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

sneakattack said:
Is this banning purely for spamming and unethical advertising practinces.
Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you can lay odds on it.

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BTW Dom, if you and I worked together we could win the SEO contest and split the cash... I am just joking... but you know we could... and we would not even have to go BH to do it...
 
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dominique

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Ok, so I get this straight.

You want Cpays to stop the SEO contest and become more proactive in removing spamming affiliates. So in other words after the SEO contest ends the blacklisting will end?

If this is the case, I dont know Dom, I dont know if it is worth it or not.

The 888 thing cost me, I am still targeted by the spammers from 888 and they are still stealing money from me and trying to destroy my rankings.

If I am going to blacklist Cpays I want some real solid goals set before hand.

If you want to set a goal of getting the Cpays management replaced, well then Im all with you. But if all you want is just to have them stop the SEO contests... I dont know if it is worth my time and effort, because the Cpays management will just think of some other slimy thing to do in a week or two and we will right back in the same place.

I dont blame the dumbass wanna be blackhat webmasters, in my opinion the direct responsibility for this crap is Cpays Management, they need to be replaced or removed, they are the problem.

Every time I have looked into an affiliate program that was allowing or promoting spamming and theft by some affiliates from other affiliates, I have seen the same programs rip-off customers, every time.

Low life scum are low life scum, if they will steal from one person, they will steal from you, you
can lay odds on it.

I don't necessarily want CPays to stop the contest, I want them to include the google guidelines as qualifying terms. That way the contest would be non spamming and in compliance with google's rules, which pretty clearly encourage ethical marketing and quality information.

Yes, being targeted by black hatters is not fun, I know all about that. :eek2:

Getting management replaced is probably not going to happen, I try to set reasonable goals that can be met and will reduce spam.

So I think here the goals are to conduct a legitimate contest (and avoid another 500,000 spam entries), to clean up when there are founded complaints, and to proactively remove spam.

I think this can be obtained and will improve the image of this industry.

Ultimately it is google who will have to help here, and I just hope that some day they will allow me to help them. I am willing to do so in every way I can.
 

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dominique said:
Getting management replaced is probably not going to happen...
Never know till you try.
Before we started with 888, a lot of people were saying we were wasting our time.

If all you want to do is just to get them to stop this contest or comply with googles guidlines, Im gonna have to pass for now. If you decide to upgrade the goals for this blacklisting down the road let me know.

BTW - there is no way Cpays can comply with googles guidelines and still have the contest, the contest its self is an attempt to manipulate googles results and that is forbidden by google's guidelines.
 

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BTW - there is no way Cpays can comply with googles guidelines and still have the contest, the contest its self is an attempt to manipulate googles results and that is forbidden by google's guidelines.

Yes, true.

However, if the following things put forth by google are adhered to, there will not be a zillion spam entries, rather participants will learn something about building decent websites that are useful to players who search.

Quality guidelines - basic principles

Make pages for users, not for search engines. Don't deceive your users or present different content to search engines than you display to users, which is commonly referred to as "cloaking."

Avoid tricks intended to improve search engine rankings. A good rule of thumb is whether you'd feel comfortable explaining what you've done to a website that competes with you. Another useful test is to ask, "Does this help my users? Would I do this if search engines didn't exist?"

Don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank. In particular, avoid links to web spammers or "bad neighborhoods" on the web, as your own ranking may be affected adversely by those links.

Don't use unauthorized computer programs to submit pages, check rankings, etc. Such programs consume computing resources and violate our Terms of Service. Google does not recommend the use of products such as WebPosition Gold that send automatic or programmatic queries to Google.

Quality guidelines - specific guidelines

Avoid hidden text or hidden links.
Don't employ cloaking or sneaky redirects.
Don't send automated queries to Google.
Don't load pages with irrelevant words.
Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.
Don't create pages that install viruses, trojans, or other badware.
Avoid "doorway" pages created just for search engines, or other "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.

Making these requirements part of the contest would result in quality entries and positive contributions to the industry and players.
 

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Don’t get me wrong Dom, in theory I agree with most everything you have said.

I just think it will be wasted effort to try to get Cpays to comply with these type of terms. Even if they do comply as far as the SEO contest goes, what about closing the affiliate accounts of the spammers and some of the other shady stuff?

You and I both know that the Management in question has been actively recruiting BH SEOs, we also both know that a big part of what this contest is all about is recruiting effective Blackhat SEOs, a long term plan to increase their search engine presence...

So how can we hope to reduce the spam or improve the image of online gambling if the goal is anything less than the replacement of the Management Team responsible?
 
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dominique

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Lotso, I just want to help the problem.

The most achievable and beneficial thing I can see is to include good qualifiers into the contest.

I know I am not a radical person on many levels, and I am often opposed because I believe that people should be able to redeem themselves.

I just want things to be right. Unleashing another 500,000 spam sites is just not right. It wouldn't be hard for CPays at all to fix this, so that is what I would like to see.

I realize it fixes the immediate problem only and not the origin. But it is a move in the right direction, and it is much better than doing nothing.

If we can also get better cooperation in the cessation of the use of spamdexing as Cpays marketing methods, that's good too.

I don't think these are difficult goals to achieve, especially the contest improvement. I have asked for this previously at CAP but it was ignored. I just want to draw attention to it and hope to see it fixed.
 

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Good luck with your effort Dominique.

But to be honest, why would the Management at Cpays change the contest? It is doing just what they want.

The management at Cpays is doing the contest in the first place to recrute Blackhat SEOs, so why in the world would they want to try to make the contest 'google friendly', that would defeat their goal for the entire contest... Finding effective Blackhat SEOs...

>>>Added

The comments by the Cpays Rep over at CAP just re-enforce what I believe. On one hand the Cpays Rep sz they are not criticizing anyone, but the Rep calls the affiliates that blacklisted 888 two faced and money hungry (You and I both know every affiliaite that took on 888 paid a price)... in my opinion, these folks are slime and I would not believe a word that came out of their mouths or off their keyboard.

I also noticed that the Cpays Rep was in no hurry to stop the contest...
 
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Dom the stand you took on scumware was commendable, if not for your commitment to that issue, we may have still be under its clutches today.

Trying to stop SE spam is like trying to plug a dyke with a pkt of straws.
:thumbsup: to those who try. But imo, your fighting a losing battle. (the casualities from the 888 issue stand as reason to my opinion).
 

dominique

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Ah, so much pessimism!

It will not be perfect, and nothing in the past has been perfect.

But it will help. Everything in the past has helped.

At the end of the day, the casinos need us more than we need them.
 

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First, kudos for fighting this fight. It's absolute crap what CPays is doing here and whatever can be done to prevent this from continuing (or growing) is good stuff. :thumbsup:

I do, however, take issue with this particular comment:

At the end of the day, the casinos need us more than we need them.

I'm about to step in a landmine, but here goes...

When you say "us," I'm assuming you mean affiliates. While so many affiliates strive to do the "right thing," there's hundreds more out there who don't give a rats ass and are simply out for the quick buck. Were this not the case, we certainly wouldn't have sites like Cirrus, Prism, etc.

Currently, offline marketing is growing by leaps and bounds. Ask any online casino head-of-marketing about their offline marketing development and you'll get quite an education of how important offline has become. It's a natural progression for this industry and one that any of us marketing online needs to take seriously.

Do casinos profit greatly from the "good affiliates?" Absolutely. Have the "good affiliates" contributed to the success of online casinos? Absolutely. Are the "good affiliates" RESPONSIBLE for the success of online casinos? Arguable. Contributing and being the sole source of revenues are two entirely different things. I can guarantee that those less-ethical affiliates are responsible for far more revenues than that of their ethical, hard-working counterparts.

While I certainly don't underestimate the power of those hard-working, ethical affiliates, I do feel it is an over-assessment to say that the casinos need "you" more than "you" need "them."

With this in mind, I ABSOLUTELY believe that the "good" affiliates can help affect change--no question about it. It's been proven on dozens of occasions. What I DO question is the power of "good" affiliates in making change where both "bad affiliates" and crap operators are concerned. Without true regulation, it's a bit like plugging holes in a leaky boat with chewing gum, IMO.

I hope whoever reads this understands I am NOT anti-affiliate (I've been trying to lose that moniker for years, now). I AM, however, anti-crap-affiliate and there does need to be that distinction. I also believe that all sides of the industry needs to be realistic and objective in our expectations.
 

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Actually I was referring to us folks here at Casinomeister, players and webmasters. After all these years I still always see us working together, it just makes sense to do. It makes for a very strong union.

Obviously the webmasters entering this contest with tens of thousands of spam sites are crappy webmasters. There are crappy programmers providing them with the tools to do so. There are crappy casinos paying for that stuff.

It's like cleaning a lived in house. It never stops and you are never done, but the alternative is living in filth. So one does what needs to be done.
 
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