HTML 5 netent games have changed

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I'll pop a little "salt n vinegar" on this discussion just cos that's what I'm like :p

Question regarding "to Tamper or not to Tamper"

Why after all these years and all these tight restrictions, 'Do NOT pass Go' etc etc have a LOT of casinos relaxed their DOA Restrictions (usually regarding bonus play), Hell some are even awarding free spins on DOA, something we'd NEVER see.

Only my opinion but they'd (the casinos) not implement this if the 'risk' were greatly reduced, IE: much less potential for those freaky/lucky quick big hits.

Maybe the RTP is identical but partially as has been suggested the variance is not.

As I say just my opinion / An Idea!
 

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That would mean that they had to calculate and change the intire game all over again, instead of just keeping it like it was and just change the graphics.
Could you please give me one reason for why they would do that? Why if the rtp still is the same and both the casinos and the game provider earn the same on it?

Things get re-programmed all the time, it's not a case of simply changing the graphics, it's a different platform altogether so likely they've started from the ground up.

And why does anyone want to do anything? How long is a piece of string? It's not a criticism aimed at the virtuous and holy software providers - they're not beyond reproach or criticism. Rather, it was an observation on the gameplay mechanics and how they feel different to before.

Why don't you ask Netent for why they changed it, but I fear you might be waiting for a long time :cool:
 

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I'll pop a little "salt n vinegar" on this discussion just cos that's what I'm like :p

Question regarding "to Tamper or not to Tamper"

Why after all these years and all these tight restrictions, 'Do NOT pass Go' etc etc have a LOT of casinos relaxed their DOA Restrictions (usually regarding bonus play), Hell some are even awarding free spins on DOA, something we'd NEVER see.

Only my opinion but they'd (the casinos) not implement this if the 'risk' were greatly reduced, IE: much less potential for those freaky/lucky quick big hits.

Maybe the RTP is identical but partially as has been suggested the variance is not.
As I say just my opinion / An Idea!

Less big wins and more shitty wins, Said this about IR some months ago.
The amount of wins I got with 9's were unbelievable.

I dont play slots much these days, but when I have been doing then I have noticed how my balance is going up much (if at all)

No good for lowrollers but highrollers can do a hit and run
 

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Less big wins and more shitty wins, Said this about IR some months ago.
The amount of wins I got with 9's were unbelievable.

I dont play slots much these days, but when I have been doing then I have noticed how my balance is going up much (if at all)

No good for lowrollers but highrollers can do a hit and run

I find the only way to win as a high roller or not lose too much is by taking a bonus. Deposit $500 get $500 bonus. Do $3-$6 bets until you hit some stuff or lose $500. Once you lose $500. Time to grind it out and hope you leave with what you started. And if you hit something nice. Time to grind out the wagering. Its tough but ive had many nice cashouts doing this.
 

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I find the only way to win as a high roller or not lose too much is by taking a bonus. Deposit $500 get $500 bonus. Do $3-$6 bets until you hit some stuff or lose $500. Once you lose $500. Time to grind it out and hope you leave with what you started. And if you hit something nice. Time to grind out the wagering. Its tough but ive had many nice cashouts doing this.


Good tactic LIL:thumbsup:

Don't forget to check the (very regular these days) T&C's updates for anti-grinding policies, they are out there :rolleyes:
 

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Yep the industry is geared towards phasing out lowrollers by the looks of it, so make everything low to medium variance and ensure that there are no heroic tales of grinding out pennies and walking away with hundreds/ thousands.

It's become apparent with the slew of new releases whereby it's nigh-on impossible to get ahead, even briefly. So long-gone are the days of regularly depositing £25 and having a reasonable chance of cashing out and getting playtime.....now it's death by a thousand spins virtually on all new games.
 

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Yep the industry is geared towards phasing out lowrollers by the looks of it, so make everything low to medium variance and ensure that there are no heroic tales of grinding out pennies and walking away with hundreds/ thousands.

It's become apparent with the slew of new releases whereby it's nigh-on impossible to get ahead, even briefly. So long-gone are the days of regularly depositing £25 and having a reasonable chance of cashing out and getting playtime.....now it's death by a thousand spins virtually on all new games.

No we aren't - not as far as i know anyway...

While low-rollers don't make anywhere near as much money for casinos as high-rollers (obviously) they still make us money. And to discount them would be ridiculous - not once have i ever had a conversation with any casino, or games provider (nor internally where i have worked) about doing this. It makes no sense...

There may be a lot of shit games around, but it is not a conscious decision to piss off an entire demographic!
 

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@trancemonkey

With what Canadians are left with on European casinos, with the horrible excuse of an online casino for residents of Ontario and with the 85% casinos in Ontario and maybe 88-90% in Quebec I have no choice but to low-roll. It's a waste of funds and my winnings are going to go back in these slots anyway.

Even the slots we can't play with real funds on seem tight. Two runs playing .80 bets on Raging Rhino ended in $100 busts. Very questionable for its alleged RTG.
 

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Let me again give you all my 2 cents :)

So as I said in a different thread, I am not being condescending when I say this. But in all honesty again this thread is finding fault with slots just because there was a visual change, so again this is what gamblers do, we look for faults in something that there isn't a fault with. We have all been there.

The words that describe these thoughts are Cognitive Distortions.

@Jono777 - You said u have not had a wild line on html5 version but you had 17 wild lines on the older version. Well again this is merely a coincidence and the cognitive distortions is making your thinking all messed up because the change happened. So your mindset is just at the moment is when you play the new DoA version you will not get that wild line. And every-time u play it, you say the same things again, Based on the new html5 version, and that then makes that cognitive distortion stronger and enforces it each time.
When in fact if Net-Ent actually did change the RTP or the coding that would go against so many rules and even if they did, they would have to actually release a press release letting people know and get the new version retested so be it with a lower RTP which is what people are presuming as happened to it.

I myself do not think the slot has changed other than the visuals. And bring on HTML5 versions of slots. As a web developer myself. I know html5 is awesome.

So i hope you can understand that the slot has not changed other than visually. Unless people can prove it with hard data from many sessions and many hundreds of thousands of spins then i stand by what i say!
 

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Well I'm on my 6th wildline and 2nd lot of 5 scatters on the HTML5 Version, which is probably the same sort of hit rate as the 50+ wildline I've had on the flash version over the past 2 or 3 years. So i'm not complaining about losing or it being of a lower RTP.

But as far as I'm concerned, something has been changed with the variance.
Yes, it looks different and play different.

But it also pays different.

With the flash version, the feature was normally a big win or next to nothing, with very few medium sized win, and triggered reasonably often
Now the feature seems to trigger a little less often. But there are a lot more of the medium sized wins, when it does.

I've lost count of the number of times I've had 4 wilds (and only 4), but they've been perfectly lined up on 4 reels, to give a 50-200x win
It feels less random, and more predetermined, not the overall win, but the number of, and positions of the wilds.

I'd assume that any changes would be to make it more appealing to the mass market (the starburst crowd), rather than it being more of a 'cult' game.

It would be interesting to hear from those casinos who have now removed DOA from their 'restricted play with a bonus' lists
 
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Well I'm on my 6th wildline and 2nd lot of 5 scatters on the HTML5 Version, which is probably the same sort of hit rate as the 50+ wildline I've had on the flash version over the past 2 or 3 years. So i'm not complaining about losing or it being of a lower RTP.

But as far as I'm concerned, something has been changed with the variance.
Yes, it looks different and play different.

But it also pays different.

With the flash version, the feature was normally a big win or next to nothing, with very few medium sized win, and triggered reasonably often
Now the feature seems to trigger a little less often. But there are a lot more of the medium sized wins, when it does.

I've lost count of the number of times I've had 4 wilds (and only 4), but they've been perfectly lined up to give a 50-200x win
It feels less random, and more predetermined, not the overall win, but the number of, and positions of the wilds.

I'd assume that any changes would be to make it more appealing to the mass market (the starburst crowd), rather than it being more of a 'cult' game.

It would be interesting to hear from those casinos who have now removed DOA from their 'restricted play with a bonus' lists

Indeed. 98% of all my play is on doa over the past 2 years, and as i only play it on 9p thats a fair amount of spins lol. And one thing that stands out to me more than anything is the medium sized wins instead of the all or nothing of how it used to feel.
 

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considering also the recent developments we faced on our national market, I think that the new HTLM5 games are NOT changed at their origin, but they offer more possibilities to be changed.
:)
 

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considering also the recent developments we faced on our national market, I think that the new HTLM5 games are NOT changed at their origin, but they offer more possibilities to be changed.
:)

This could be the greatest point made regarding these slots, hadn't crossed my mind.

Not talking RTP settings but maybe more casino friendly parameters which can be set by individual operators (The variance to a degree for one ???)

Would certainly explain the relaxed attitude some casinos have suddenly taken towards this slot!
 

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This could be the greatest point made regarding these slots, hadn't crossed my mind.

Not talking RTP settings but maybe more casino friendly parameters which can be set by individual operators (The variance to a degree fro one ???)

Would certainly explain the relaxed attitude some casinos have suddenly taken towards this slot!


I didn't know that the game had been un-banned anywhere, so please tell me which casinos allow it now that didn't before?
 

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This could be the greatest point made regarding these slots, hadn't crossed my mind.

Not talking RTP settings but maybe more casino friendly parameters which can be set by individual operators (The variance to a degree fro one ???)

Would certainly explain the relaxed attitude some casinos have suddenly taken towards this slot!

Can I also say this.

I am in no way saying that casinos have removed this slot from being restricted with bonus funds. Unless you can all prove and list all casinos that did remove this slot from restricted and give proof from before and afterwards then i would believe that point.

Furthermore, perceiving that they now give free spins on this slot is also just that a perception. I can easily tell you that casinos have gave spins on DoA way before they switched it to html5 version.

So again i reiterate my earlier post. Cognitive Distortions are again at play in perceptions people make, and also agreeing to others who are also perceiving and speculating based on their believes. Without proof it is all just cognitive perceptions.
 

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I can confirm several casinos removing doa from bonus ban after the html version arrived.

Luckydino,casinojefe comes to mind

Also the Caddell group of casinos used to have DOA listed as 20% contribution, then restricted it completely, and have since reinstated it at 20%

Betat and SlottyVegas used to have DOA listed as 50% contribution, then restricted it completely, and have since reinstated it at 50% (except the SUB)
 

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It seems to me that everytime netent launches a new slot they make it go crazy for a couple of days before then shutting it off completely - looking at jungle wild with the crazy wins the first few days on here, and when ive tried it with 1200 at 1€ and 2€ bet its just nothing. Other people saying it too.

And if i remember correctly - divine fortune, when first launched, someone won the jackpot the first day? And after that just dead. Atleast on all my session since.
On both these games the freespins are crazily hard to trigger and you end up with nothing. Any one else feeling the same?
 

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It seems to me that everytime netent launches a new slot they make it go crazy for a couple of days before then shutting it off completely - looking at jungle wild with the crazy wins the first few days on here, and when ive tried it with 1200 at 1€ and 2€ bet its just nothing. Other people saying it too.

And if i remember correctly - divine fortune, when first launched, someone won the jackpot the first day? And after that just dead. Atleast on all my session since.
On both these games the freespins are crazily hard to trigger and you end up with nothing. Any one else feeling the same?

Maybe this could be a good question to ask trancemonkey in his/her thread?

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/ask-me-anything-about-slots.77569/
 
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