That place is a real Ripoff! I can't believe they allow such a place to exist. They should be investigated and closed down for the rigging that goes on there. WARNING! DO NOT PLAY AT SLOTLAND...9.9 X out of 10 We'll Be sorry.
How Can Anyone Play At SlotLand???
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Would you mind stating specifically what the problem is?
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Why cannot?
Hi Murder,
This is Hannah from Slotland. I regret that you haven't been satisfied while playing at Slotland. Many people are happy with us and I am sure that you could be also if you were more lucky. Unfortunately, I don't know your Login ID. Please send me a letter at: [email protected], I will review your gaming history and will give you something small so you could try our games again.
Be sure that we don't cheat our customers - we would be silly to do it as we preferr them coming back to us! We are growing since 1998 - thanks to our unique games and Thanks to our good reputation.
Thank you for contacting me in advance. Let's kick our games together
Kind regards,
Hannah
[email protected]
Hi Murder,
This is Hannah from Slotland. I regret that you haven't been satisfied while playing at Slotland. Many people are happy with us and I am sure that you could be also if you were more lucky. Unfortunately, I don't know your Login ID. Please send me a letter at: [email protected], I will review your gaming history and will give you something small so you could try our games again.
Be sure that we don't cheat our customers - we would be silly to do it as we preferr them coming back to us! We are growing since 1998 - thanks to our unique games and Thanks to our good reputation.
Thank you for contacting me in advance. Let's kick our games together
Kind regards,
Hannah
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Slotland is the one casino I have NEVER had even one complaint about.
As far as I can tell they are exceptionally ethical and take the best of care of players.
They are my number one recommendation for inexperienced players.
Could you tell what the problem is? Did you have a bad run?
As far as I can tell they are exceptionally ethical and take the best of care of players.
They are my number one recommendation for inexperienced players.
Could you tell what the problem is? Did you have a bad run?
Slotland has the WORST games on the net. For Dominique to recommend them as a first to newbies demonstrates real rogue portal qualities.
Murder - they're games aren't "rigged", their slots. They're rigged by definition, ie. non-random.
Murder - they're games aren't "rigged", their slots. They're rigged by definition, ie. non-random.
I tell you what. Go stick money in their Treasure Slot. You won't get it back. I spent over $400 there playing their silly Treasure Slot and that fake space Blackjack.
Imagine this: Their space BlackJack deals you 3 hands. And The dealer gets his hand. If you want to hit one of your hands. You must take a card on all 3. Example: dealer shows 9. Your Hand are (1) K-10 (2) 10-5 (3) 9-5
You can't just hit hand (2) and (3). If you take a hit you will get a card even on you K-10.
Treasure Slot is the biggest Joke of them all. Go see for yourself. And please don't bet $2 X 4 row spins. You will be out just as fast as you put it in there.
The Place has no business being on the Net. POINT BLANK! Customer Service is Good. But that's about it.
Goodthing I went and played Hold'em Poker and recovered all but $100 from that place.
This place gets a :axeman2:
Imagine this: Their space BlackJack deals you 3 hands. And The dealer gets his hand. If you want to hit one of your hands. You must take a card on all 3. Example: dealer shows 9. Your Hand are (1) K-10 (2) 10-5 (3) 9-5
You can't just hit hand (2) and (3). If you take a hit you will get a card even on you K-10.
Treasure Slot is the biggest Joke of them all. Go see for yourself. And please don't bet $2 X 4 row spins. You will be out just as fast as you put it in there.
The Place has no business being on the Net. POINT BLANK! Customer Service is Good. But that's about it.
Goodthing I went and played Hold'em Poker and recovered all but $100 from that place.
This place gets a :axeman2:
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I think you are going a bit too far, Caruso. Treating people of running a rogue portal because they are advertising for SlotLand... is a bit excessive.
Slotland is around since 1998 (that's six years of business), so I think that if there was no interest for this online casino - or if it was sooooo bad - it should have closed a long time ago, especially with the hard competition actually.
After, slots are slots - land-based or online.
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Im not going to play at Slutland again, either. Ive wasted more than enough money at their JoB VP which is not only the slowest but probably also the VP with the lowest payout. Ive been playing several thousand Hands VP within the last couple of months but the results there were by far the worst ever. I asked myself many times why the Meister still supports them....
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That's not what I said, Max. In that case I'd have to accuse Bryan and Ted of the same - which I'm not about to do because it would be incorrect.
I said "For Dominique to recommend them as a first to newbies demonstrates real rogue portal qualities."
Slotlands slot payouts are presumably the generic 95%.
The JOB game comes in around 85%ish.
Spacejacks comes in around maybe 90% with PERFECT play.
These games are the worst you'll find ANYWHERE. Newbies are by definition new. They don't know slots from Deuces Wild Full Pay. A portal who selects newbies to fleece at a casino with DISGUSTING payouts, knowing full well said newbies on average know nothing about payouts and are in NO position to judge for themselves, is atrocious behaviour and represents rogue qualities, ie. deceipt.
If I ran a portal - which I won't be doing any time soon - I would recommend casinos that pay with GOOD GAMES, games that give the players a chance. I would not recommend the worst games on the net because my aim would not be to fleece my players.
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OK, I understand your point of view.
But I think that the point for newbies here was the simplicity of use. For example, Booster is a good game for newbies - you can play a loooonnng time (my own experience) but your wins are not that big (apart for the jackpot). Since I have no specific knowledge concerning this casino (and I do trust both Dominique and Caruso), I surfed the Slotland website but did not find anything useful in order to make a judgement. Just found something interesteing on bonuses:
WAGERING REQUIREMENTS: Slotland's bonus policy is very simple and clear: any bonus which you may receive (and any deposit made to earn such a bonus) is required to be wagered at least once prior to requesting a cash withdrawal, unless terms and conditions for a particular bonus are stated to be otherwise. SLOTLAND NEWSLETTERS: Every Slotland player receives monthly and special newsletters by email unless he decides otherwise. Slotland reserves the right to exclude anybody from receiving its newsletters as well as the participation in newsletters' promotions.
It could be interesting except for this words
unless terms and conditions for a particular bonus are stated to be otherwise
And I was not able, for example, to find any info on the 100% sign up bonus.
Is it also 1X?!?
WAGERING REQUIREMENTS: Slotland's bonus policy is very simple and clear: any bonus which you may receive (and any deposit made to earn such a bonus) is required to be wagered at least once prior to requesting a cash withdrawal, unless terms and conditions for a particular bonus are stated to be otherwise. SLOTLAND NEWSLETTERS: Every Slotland player receives monthly and special newsletters by email unless he decides otherwise. Slotland reserves the right to exclude anybody from receiving its newsletters as well as the participation in newsletters' promotions.
It could be interesting except for this words
unless terms and conditions for a particular bonus are stated to be otherwise
And I was not able, for example, to find any info on the 100% sign up bonus.
Is it also 1X?!?
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Have to agree with Caruso, it's a fairly shocking casino! The games could have been around since about 1980 given the software. I signed up because I'd seen them mentioned as reputable on here and thought it couldn't be too bad - fair enough they may be reputable, but I do think it's the last place I'd recommend to anyone new to casinos.
One thing to point out is that the video poker doesn't even deal out random cards as you'd expect:
"Please note that all games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Thus, with card games, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins."
One thing to point out is that the video poker doesn't even deal out random cards as you'd expect:
"Please note that all games share the same mechanism which determines the jackpot win. Thus, with card games, the probability of hitting the jackpot combination is not natural but controlled by this shared random mechanism in the same way as slot machines' wins."
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Same here.Lukas85 said:
Can you imagine a payout of 85% or so betting 50 cents per hand?
That's why i stopped playing with slotland a few months ago. I don't feel I even stand a remote chance of winning. The only JoB with even worse payout is Gambling Federation (around 75%).
Yes, their CS is great and they always pay on time, if you still have some money left to withdraw that is.
As for Slotland, if you are reading this, would you please change the name of "Classic Jack or Better" to "Jack or Better Slot"? I don't mind if you lower your payout on any of your slots but video pokers, by difinition, should be random.
Can anyone verify this lie that I received from them? 98% payback my A$$.
Thank you for your letter. I understand your frustration especially when you did not have the luck you wish you had today, but our slots are certified and revised by independent bodies and all our slots have a certified 98% payback.
Our games fairly return 98% of all the money put into it. But the 98% is just an overall average, meaning that the slot is programmed to return 98% of all the money played, not just to one player but to all of its thousands of players and in no set pattern or at any specific period of time. Just imagine if you hit the jackpot, your payback will be a thousands times greater than the average percentage payback.
SLOTLAND is fair and honest. We wouldn't last very long as a business if we made a practice of cheating our players. Besides this, our company's accounts are revised and audited regularly by an independent body. If you have a specific concern, please let us know and we will contact you.
I hope to see you back soon!
Sincerely,
Cathy
Slotland Customer Service
Thank you for your letter. I understand your frustration especially when you did not have the luck you wish you had today, but our slots are certified and revised by independent bodies and all our slots have a certified 98% payback.
Our games fairly return 98% of all the money put into it. But the 98% is just an overall average, meaning that the slot is programmed to return 98% of all the money played, not just to one player but to all of its thousands of players and in no set pattern or at any specific period of time. Just imagine if you hit the jackpot, your payback will be a thousands times greater than the average percentage payback.
SLOTLAND is fair and honest. We wouldn't last very long as a business if we made a practice of cheating our players. Besides this, our company's accounts are revised and audited regularly by an independent body. If you have a specific concern, please let us know and we will contact you.
I hope to see you back soon!
Sincerely,
Cathy
Slotland Customer Service
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Slotland has been represented on Got2Bet before, and I am confident that they are honest.
However, players must be made aware that the blackjack and video poker games are not like the ones found in Vegas, and that in fact they are slot machines. After all, the casino IS called Slotland...
As for the 98% - if they have someone verifying that, then the player can decide for himself the authenticity/veracity of that claim. Personally, I tend to lose there, not surprisingly, but I do like Booster - definitely a unique take on a slot machine
The only wish I have is that they would add some newer technology games
However, players must be made aware that the blackjack and video poker games are not like the ones found in Vegas, and that in fact they are slot machines. After all, the casino IS called Slotland...
As for the 98% - if they have someone verifying that, then the player can decide for himself the authenticity/veracity of that claim. Personally, I tend to lose there, not surprisingly, but I do like Booster - definitely a unique take on a slot machine
The only wish I have is that they would add some newer technology games
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not my style
I played at Slotland and can only give my opinion trying to be as objective as possible. The bonus was added immediately. The bonus policy is stated in very simple terms (which can at times, get a bit confusing when you read them at other sites)
I must say I was disappointed in the graphics of the slots. They seemed a bit "archaic" shall I say. I played for a long, long time on my deposit and bonus and kept getting quite a few good hits. I did find it a bit interesting that on the treasure slot, there would be multiples of 7's and 1's but when two exact color 7's or 1's would appear on the first payline, all 3 of the other remaining would be a bar....I found that a bit puzzling and it happened over and over so I just moved on.
I was excited to see that you could play 3 hands of blackjack until I figured out on the first dealing hand that you have to either hold or hit for all; but again, I just moved on.
I did not feel overall that there was any "rigging"....as I said, I did get quite a few nice hits. I just prefer better graphics and if it is variety and graphics that one chooses in selecting slots, I would say that this may not be the place to go.
Overall, not a bad experience and although I am not a high wagerer, I did find that many of the hits I got were quite nice.
I played at Slotland and can only give my opinion trying to be as objective as possible. The bonus was added immediately. The bonus policy is stated in very simple terms (which can at times, get a bit confusing when you read them at other sites)
I must say I was disappointed in the graphics of the slots. They seemed a bit "archaic" shall I say. I played for a long, long time on my deposit and bonus and kept getting quite a few good hits. I did find it a bit interesting that on the treasure slot, there would be multiples of 7's and 1's but when two exact color 7's or 1's would appear on the first payline, all 3 of the other remaining would be a bar....I found that a bit puzzling and it happened over and over so I just moved on.
I was excited to see that you could play 3 hands of blackjack until I figured out on the first dealing hand that you have to either hold or hit for all; but again, I just moved on.
I did not feel overall that there was any "rigging"....as I said, I did get quite a few nice hits. I just prefer better graphics and if it is variety and graphics that one chooses in selecting slots, I would say that this may not be the place to go.
Overall, not a bad experience and although I am not a high wagerer, I did find that many of the hits I got were quite nice.
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I don't like Slotland. I prefer casinos that doesn't offer home-made versions of the casino games. But it is their preogative to offer whatever games they like. I will stick to the casinos that offer traditional games.
Lost my money on my only visit there but can't say it felt fishy though. At least I learned to check what games a casino offers before depositing.
Lost my money on my only visit there but can't say it felt fishy though. At least I learned to check what games a casino offers before depositing.
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It seems that we like the same game, Spear!
That's what I asked to them - they really need more games and a revision of their graphics/website. They have added one more game back in the beginning of the year if I remember well, and I was thinking that it was the first of several new ones... but no.
As Spear said, all their games are slots, and when playing you should expect the outcome of slots only.
To be honest, I must say that I have seen the same thing on this game... But the problem is that this situation of probable big win happens very often (happened five or six times on a meager $50 deposit) - they would have too much winners! -, so I think that it's not a problem of cheating - this game just needs to be adjusted, to be more balanced.
Player exclusion policy non-existent!
I knew of a player who wanted to quit playing Slotland after losing too much but they offered him $50 for 'reasons for quitting' and even after he still wanted the account closed, they offered $100 if he ever wanted to return!
They don't block players from reopening an account and playing again if they tell Slotland they have been spending too much and want to be blocked. He said he reopened his account many times until he got fed up with them. They must completely wipe the credit card databases when an account is closed because players can keep using the same credit card when they reopen accounts!
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I knew of a player who wanted to quit playing Slotland after losing too much but they offered him $50 for 'reasons for quitting' and even after he still wanted the account closed, they offered $100 if he ever wanted to return!
They don't block players from reopening an account and playing again if they tell Slotland they have been spending too much and want to be blocked. He said he reopened his account many times until he got fed up with them. They must completely wipe the credit card databases when an account is closed because players can keep using the same credit card when they reopen accounts!
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Why would a casino where you can only play slots want to exclude anyone?
Almost all players will lose their deposits and there's no strategy where you'd expect to come off with a profit from the bonus.
Come to think of it, maybe I'll set up a similar casino (with some decent software so players can lose money quicker!)
Almost all players will lose their deposits and there's no strategy where you'd expect to come off with a profit from the bonus.
Come to think of it, maybe I'll set up a similar casino (with some decent software so players can lose money quicker!)
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Hannah, could you please comment on this?
Slots are slots, point.
This is a slots casino... We all know what is the outcome of slots! Very few people do win big, if you are lucky, and a lot lose money, while some have average wins. After all, gambling is at first a game of luck, nothing else. (I don't want to bring the point if gambling is entertainment - enough discussed about that at WinnerOnline! 
). However, I prefer playing ten times at slots than one time at national lotteries...
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Slotland has HTML games. They are extremely easy to use. They are the ONLY type games that can be played by people on browsers like webtv, aol and so on.
Would you like me to send those guys to 1cnp? Or perhaps casino VR?
I myself play Booster and I love it and you can play for a long time for little money.
Slotland gives away free money every month via their newsletter - you can win playmoney there. All my players like that.
Slotland is not like RTG or Microgaming, it has a different type of software. I realize that HTML software lacks the speed and polished look of other softwares. But I find them always honest and this is the very first time I see a complaint. They are almost like a cult casino - they have a very loyal following. The players who like the software stick for years. There has to be a reason for that.
I resent Caruso attacking my integrity because I like to send newbies to places that are simple to play and figure out. It beats sending them to places where they will get screwed because they happened to play BJ instead of slots.
If there weren't the majority of players playing for entertainment only, there would not be any casinos for many of you to play at. For a new player looking for lots of unfettered play for their money, with no complicated wagering requirements, Slotland is great.
My players tell me so and I agree.
Would you like me to send those guys to 1cnp? Or perhaps casino VR?
I myself play Booster and I love it and you can play for a long time for little money.
Slotland gives away free money every month via their newsletter - you can win playmoney there. All my players like that.
Slotland is not like RTG or Microgaming, it has a different type of software. I realize that HTML software lacks the speed and polished look of other softwares. But I find them always honest and this is the very first time I see a complaint. They are almost like a cult casino - they have a very loyal following. The players who like the software stick for years. There has to be a reason for that.
I resent Caruso attacking my integrity because I like to send newbies to places that are simple to play and figure out. It beats sending them to places where they will get screwed because they happened to play BJ instead of slots.
If there weren't the majority of players playing for entertainment only, there would not be any casinos for many of you to play at. For a new player looking for lots of unfettered play for their money, with no complicated wagering requirements, Slotland is great.
My players tell me so and I agree.
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As I remember when you try to register there is fine print at the bottom of the page which says sign up bonus + deposit should be wagered 8 times.
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Dominique,
I've no problems with you making money from people going to casinos from your site, but you do seem to go a bit far with Slotland!
"SLOTLAND is one of the biggest and most reputable online casinos on the net! Slotland definitely offers the most generous bonus program available! 100% Sign-up bonus up to $100."
Not sure how big they are, but 'the most generous bonus program'?
Maybe it's a casino of last resort for anyone who connects to the internet with some strange technology that prevents them using normal software, but surely nothing more.
I've no problems with you making money from people going to casinos from your site, but you do seem to go a bit far with Slotland!
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"SLOTLAND is one of the biggest and most reputable online casinos on the net! Slotland definitely offers the most generous bonus program available! 100% Sign-up bonus up to $100."
Not sure how big they are, but 'the most generous bonus program'?
Maybe it's a casino of last resort for anyone who connects to the internet with some strange technology that prevents them using normal software, but surely nothing more.
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Slots are random, too, or at least should be. The opposite of random is deterministic. On a typical reeled slot, the positions on each reel are weighted with certain probabilities and the reels are independent of each other. In some online casinos the casino operator may be able to adjust the probabilites and change the expected return of the machine. However, if the machine claims to model BJ or VP, then it should deal the cards with the correct probabilities. If it does not, and it is not made clear in the rules, then the game is rigged and the casino should be blacklisted.hhcfreebie said:Same here.
Can you imagine a payout of 85% or so betting 50 cents per hand?
That's why i stopped playing with slotland a few months ago. I don't feel I even stand a remote chance of winning. The only JoB with even worse payout is Gambling Federation (around 75%).
Yes, their CS is great and they always pay on time, if you still have some money left to withdraw that is.
As for Slotland, if you are reading this, would you please change the name of "Classic Jack or Better" to "Jack or Better Slot"? I don't mind if you lower your payout on any of your slots but video pokers, by difinition, should be random.
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What I meant was, VP should be randomly drawn from a shoe of cards.GrandMaster said:
As it stands now, the result of their JoB is random generated with a fixed payoout.
IMO, slotland is very straight forward and seems to be reliable. I don't think they would pretend its a 100% VP on purpose. They also post somewhere in their website their card games are generated with weighted RNG. If they want to they can call their space jack game "blackjack" as well, but they didn't.
All they need to do is just to change the name of their JoB to JoB slot, then I'll have no problem whatsoever with them.
Off topic, I always wonder what if I don't play by basic strategy with a JoB.
It gets worse. Below the quoted passage from Dominique's site above is this gem: "At Slotland, you will find great games with unique designs and great pay tables."
Great paytables, gimme a break. What "paytables"? There ARE no paytables apart from JOB, which masquerades as 9/6 but is in fact another slot machine. Where does this "great paytables" come from?
You suggest that only the WORST alternatives are viable? If you want to send players to casinos where they stand a chance, send them to Crypto for the single deck game, MG or the same, RTG for the pontoon... to name just three of the best - there are many more. They'll have their ups and downs, but overall they'll get good bang for their bucks. DON'T send them to ripoff joints masquerading as "good" because they pay fast. This is the WORST casino on the net in ALL other senses, and to make a point of advocating them to newbies, whilst stopping short of roguedom, is certainly portalling at its worst, and how anyone can "resent" being called on it is beyond me.
(Roguedom - LOL, neat pun.)
Great paytables, gimme a break. What "paytables"? There ARE no paytables apart from JOB, which masquerades as 9/6 but is in fact another slot machine. Where does this "great paytables" come from?
dominique said:
You suggest that only the WORST alternatives are viable? If you want to send players to casinos where they stand a chance, send them to Crypto for the single deck game, MG or the same, RTG for the pontoon... to name just three of the best - there are many more. They'll have their ups and downs, but overall they'll get good bang for their bucks. DON'T send them to ripoff joints masquerading as "good" because they pay fast. This is the WORST casino on the net in ALL other senses, and to make a point of advocating them to newbies, whilst stopping short of roguedom, is certainly portalling at its worst, and how anyone can "resent" being called on it is beyond me.
(Roguedom - LOL, neat pun.)
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The page is called Webtv Casinos.
For webtv users and aol browsers and a slew of other platforms, which is the only group of players that particular page adresses, I have found the following choices:
Slotland
Iglobal
VR
1cnp
Actually there is another obscure group out there - consisting of Hotjokerpoker, Tiffany's Casino, Double Deuce Casino, Silver Streak Casino, Gamble Girls Casino, Oriental Casino, Galactica Casino, Olympic Casino, Lucky Streak Casino.
Maybe I should send them there like lambs to the slaughter?
All the text on that page and any other page they appear on is quoted directly from Slotland. I have no reason to doubt them - Bryan lists them as recommended for new players, and I have only heard good things about them.
If you don't like to play HTML software, don't. But don't try to convince me that people with odd browsers have to play at known rogue casinos.
In case anyone missed reading this from my link I posted, this is the reply received by someone on this thread I contacted recently to test out Slotland's policy about closing accounts. He had already successfully had his account closed by them without them offering bonuses to stay, unlike the other person I mentioned before, but they can't prevent people signing up again.
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Slotland is a ripoff, point blank. I am not going to give a site credit. Just because the give a 1X bonus or quick payout. Chances are you will lose your money there and quick! If I had my way, I'll raid their business with black uniforms and :machinegu pointed. They have no business on the internet with the stuff they are pulling. MG and Playtech has alot better slots then they do.
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murder1 said:
Murder1, I thought you were going to chill out
These guys are NOT ripoffs, they are a solid group that has been around for ages. I can pretty much honestly say that I have a good idea who is ripping off whom in this industry, Slotland is not one of these cases. If they were ripping off players, the news would be all over the place since they have a relatively high profile. Who hasn't heard of them?
I receive on average 2-5 complaints a day at my Pitch a Bitch section. Slotland has received maybe one in the last year or so. Some rip-off joint
So their software is different and seemingly outdated. So what? They have a loyal player base that probably like it this way. I like "Wild Hearts" and "Booster" and if they changed them, I would be a bit miffed. I don't need sounds and such since I usually have the stereo jammin'. I wouldn't hear the bells and whistles anyway.
Slotland's offices are one of the few I have had the opportunity to personally check out. The personnel present themselves professionally, and I was impressed with the operation as a whole. To be bashing this casino in this forum is a bit too much especially after Hanna introduced herself to try and make amends to whatever was the problem in the first place.
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I second that.
From a webmaster point of view, SlotLand has also one of the most responsive and friendly support out there.
An update of their games and website is possible without changing their identity and their unique points.
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Come on, people. Nobody is questioning their "integrity", business-practices, longevity, accountability or general wonderfulness. I'm sure if The Virgin Mary were to have played online casinos she'd have chosen Slotland. However, she'd have lost all her money because the GAMES are a ripoff. Not the service, the GAMES. Repeat: this is about nothing other than the games payout. The games payout is pathetic. Of course they're wonderful. Give me an online casino to run with games paying nothing more than 95% and I'll show you wonderful and then some, before I buy my Carribean island.
Casinos offering ripoff paytables should be ditched by players and webmasters alike until they agree to change their ways and offer DECENT games.
Fine: let them do that and I'll rethink my position.
Casinos offering ripoff paytables should be ditched by players and webmasters alike until they agree to change their ways and offer DECENT games.
Fine: let them do that and I'll rethink my position.
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dominique said:
Dominique, if all the text there is unedited from Slotland (and the other casinos) wouldn't it be better to say so, rather than leaving it to look like your opinion?
How can you possibly have no reason to doubt the statement "Slotland definitely offers the most generous bonus program available"
I can understand the casino itself getting carried away and indulging in hyperbole/lies but for you to repeat it word for word as if it's an objective assessment is a bit much.
p.s. I wouldn't recommend Slotland to my worst enemy, but the only thing about them which is borderline disreputable is having games which appear to be video poker (where the player has a fighting chance), but aren't. You can't really criticise them for their slots paying out as badly as all slots do - if people want to play there it's their choice.
Well Mr. Meister with your luck of hitting royal flushes every other day. I am pretty sure slotluck should be a cake walk to yourself. I stand by my word. Slotland is a ripoff! They have gotten their last red cent from me. If you wish to play there, then more power to you!
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murder1 said:
I've hit three! (count them three!) Royal Flushes ever after a number of years playing. My first at 32red last October, then at Crazy Vegas in Feb., and then Sun Vegas last weekend. If this is "every other day", you must be in some weirdo time warp.
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You need to look at the name of the page. It is for webtv users. They need HTML software or they can't play. A $300 bonus at a microgaming Casino does them no good!
You don't make a lot of money working with people with these type browsers - they do not own computers usually because they can't afford them.
They do a lot of free play. They also tend to have a play budget of like $20 a month. They prefer spending it trying to hit a jackpot to trying to hit a lottery.
I have for instance a gentleman player who writes to me often. He is in his seventies and that is exactly what he does. He plays at least for a couple of hours at Slotland for his $20, and several times he has written to me all aglow because he doubled or tripled his money and that month would be one he would celebrate by treating himself to better food and whatever. More power to him! If he played the lottery like the majority of elderly he would never win. And just the other day he wrote because he had stumbled across VR. I was able to steer him away from there.
I am not saying that you guys are not doing the industry a favor - you do help keep things clean, and I do take a lot of clues from you, that's why I come here. But you are the vocal minority.
Most people think playing BJ means hitting until you get a number between 17 and 21 under any circumstances, and consider insurance a favor offered by the casino. That is the type of people that make online casinos rich and enable ripoffs. That's the kind of people my site and I take care of. And it is the vast majority of players.
I work with a completely different group of people than you guys are, and they need a different service than you do. And it is work I do - and I work 7 days a week, too.
You can take all the potshots you like at me, I'm here to stay and I am going to continue to provide the service I do. None of you were born knowing how to play either.
Slotland is honest and people win. They are one of the oldest casinos around. They have proprietary software and some of their slots are a lot better to play than MG or the others. Booster is one of the best slots I have ever played. So it's HTML. It has a place, a purpose, and I congratulate the people at Slotland for their impeccable service and their unique slots.
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dominique said:
Nice try, but you can't really say that was written only for Webtv users. A quick google of 'slotland' and 'the most generous bonus program available' shows plenty of sites with nothing to do with Webtv, so it's obviously just the casino's standard line. Even if it was only about Webtv I'd have to say IGlobalMedia is much more generous as the player is likely to keep some of his bonus (they also have monthly offers on slots or video poker that are better than Slotland's offers).
I still think you should make it clear where your opinion ends and the casino's begins.
Also not sure of a casino portal owner in the role of philanthropist, but good for you if you have some happy users. I'm just annoyed I missed the chance to set up a site for pensioners in the bonus heyday which could have paid for them all (and me) to go on several cruises around the world!!
I was being funny when I said you hit Royals every other week. No ones does that, too low of a probability.
And the only one here that I see is living in a weirdo world. Is yourself with that Got-Damn Mask On. You look like the European version of the Klu Klux Klan...if you ask me. :icon_twis
And the only one here that I see is living in a weirdo world. Is yourself with that Got-Damn Mask On. You look like the European version of the Klu Klux Klan...if you ask me. :icon_twis
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dominique said:
Don't even let it bother you. I know you have been around longer than I have but as I have stated in other posts, since I have been a member most (not all) people here feed off negativity and are only happy when putting others down, trying to damage any kind of business they are involved in (especially if it is successful) and just trying to get get you going. Keep doing what you are doing.
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Black21Jack,
You've accused myself and others of being negative on this board a few times, but I think you're being unfair.
This is a forum predominantly for when people have problems at on-line casinos, so obviously negative posts are likely to dominate! But then, we're not being negative just for the sake of it - we're almost always aiming for a positive result: having people lose less money at the casinos.
Among other things, you've attacked me for:
1) criticising Bethug for suggesting negative expectation casino games can be beaten by a progressive betting strategy - I took issue with this (along with a lot of others) because it's blatantly untrue and his postings no doubt lead to people losing money they can't afford to lose at the casinos. It's their responsibility, of course, but I'd still rather do what I can to stop it.
2) critising Fortune Lounge for snatching back their bonuses if people haven't met their complex wagering requirements. My posts might be negative, but they were only aimed at stopping FL using shady practices to keep money they'd otherwise have paid out to players (if like most other casinos they returned the cash-in to the players' accounts and explained the error). You advise not taking bonuses at all - blocking the only way players have a good chance of winning at the casinos.
I've no particular issue with Dominique's website, even if I think the people who read it would actually do better if they were just directed to wizardofodds and perhaps one bonus-orientated site (e.g. www.beatthehouse.co.uk). His site is very casino-orientated & fails to explain the basics of bonuses (like which are sticky or not, or that if you want to keep any of the money you'd better not play slots). I also think not stating when you're quoting directly from casino advertising (at times clearly untrue) is something he should change if he wants to try and claim the moral high ground as someone who helps players.
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You've accused myself and others of being negative on this board a few times, but I think you're being unfair.
This is a forum predominantly for when people have problems at on-line casinos, so obviously negative posts are likely to dominate! But then, we're not being negative just for the sake of it - we're almost always aiming for a positive result: having people lose less money at the casinos.
Among other things, you've attacked me for:
1) criticising Bethug for suggesting negative expectation casino games can be beaten by a progressive betting strategy - I took issue with this (along with a lot of others) because it's blatantly untrue and his postings no doubt lead to people losing money they can't afford to lose at the casinos. It's their responsibility, of course, but I'd still rather do what I can to stop it.
2) critising Fortune Lounge for snatching back their bonuses if people haven't met their complex wagering requirements. My posts might be negative, but they were only aimed at stopping FL using shady practices to keep money they'd otherwise have paid out to players (if like most other casinos they returned the cash-in to the players' accounts and explained the error). You advise not taking bonuses at all - blocking the only way players have a good chance of winning at the casinos.
I've no particular issue with Dominique's website, even if I think the people who read it would actually do better if they were just directed to wizardofodds and perhaps one bonus-orientated site (e.g. www.beatthehouse.co.uk). His site is very casino-orientated & fails to explain the basics of bonuses (like which are sticky or not, or that if you want to keep any of the money you'd better not play slots). I also think not stating when you're quoting directly from casino advertising (at times clearly untrue) is something he should change if he wants to try and claim the moral high ground as someone who helps players.
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Actually, I have stopped emphazising bonuses.
Most of my visitors are first time and novice players. I had so much trouble with them not reading wagering requirements and thinking that online casinos stink and just steal your money because they played BJ, won, and couldn't withdraw that I am going away from emphasizing bonuses.
I used to have so many admonishments on that site to read the wagering requirements, that if you typed into google:" Please make sure you read the wagering requirements on the casino web page" you would end up on my site. No more. It had no effect.
How are you going to get them to read about sticky bonuses or study mathematical odds? Never happen. Just a lot of disappointed people.
They don't want to read, they want to play the game of their choice. I think people get into bonuses later, once it's not all new and overwhelming anymore.
By then they have also found the boards and show up where they learn how to deal with bonuses correctly.
All I want is to make sure they go to reputable places and play decent basic strategy, and to communicate that in the simplest possible way.
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Most of my visitors are first time and novice players. I had so much trouble with them not reading wagering requirements and thinking that online casinos stink and just steal your money because they played BJ, won, and couldn't withdraw that I am going away from emphasizing bonuses.
I used to have so many admonishments on that site to read the wagering requirements, that if you typed into google:" Please make sure you read the wagering requirements on the casino web page" you would end up on my site. No more. It had no effect.
How are you going to get them to read about sticky bonuses or study mathematical odds? Never happen. Just a lot of disappointed people.
They don't want to read, they want to play the game of their choice. I think people get into bonuses later, once it's not all new and overwhelming anymore.
By then they have also found the boards and show up where they learn how to deal with bonuses correctly.
All I want is to make sure they go to reputable places and play decent basic strategy, and to communicate that in the simplest possible way.
Oh, and I am female. Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)
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Vesuvio, MOST people cant play, so if they flat betting they going to lose any way. I will never never play at slotland, just base on how there casino looks.
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Bethug - true, but if they flat bet they'll probably wager & therefore lose much less money.
Sorry, Dominique! (nice smiley, btw!)
Sorry, Dominique! (nice smiley, btw!)
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murder1 said:
Ummm..........hello??? the European version of the Klan??? Do you have ANY clue what the hell you are talking about??? To equate a (I think) mexican wrestling mask with the Nazi movement, is beyond poor taste...there are several menbers and guests that read this forum, whose grasp on the english language isn't quite up to the standard you operate at. A statement like that could very easily, and quickly spiral out of control. I think some sort of clarifaction is in order. NOW
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Vesuvio - flattery will get you everywhere.
you wrote:
Hey, want to write an article on that for me? I'll pay you and post it on my site. I think its something it needs. You need to have a thick skin though because I edit the dickens out of everything. Expired Image
you wrote:
Hey, want to write an article on that for me? I'll pay you and post it on my site. I think its something it needs. You need to have a thick skin though because I edit the dickens out of everything. Expired Image
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It's a Casinomeister mask, not a Mexican wrestling mask. No Nazis here!m249a said:
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caruso said:
No one has mentioned this fact regarding the payout percentage at Slotland.
1. All of slotland's games are included in the progressive jackpot
2. Progressives have lower payback rates than regular slot games, since a percentage of the money wagered goes towards building the progressive jackpot.
Therefore, unless I am mistaken, we're just pissin in the wind here.
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