How Can Anyone Play At SlotLand???

[GrandMaster]

Same here.
Can you imagine a payout of 85% or so betting 50 cents per hand?
That's why i stopped playing with slotland a few months ago. I don't feel I even stand a remote chance of winning. The only JoB with even worse payout is Gambling Federation (around 75%).
Yes, their CS is great and they always pay on time, if you still have some money left to withdraw that is.
As for Slotland, if you are reading this, would you please change the name of "Classic Jack or Better" to "Jack or Better Slot"? I don't mind if you lower your payout on any of your slots but video pokers, by difinition, should be random.

Slots are random, too, or at least should be. The opposite of random is deterministic. On a typical reeled slot, the positions on each reel are weighted with certain probabilities and the reels are independent of each other. In some online casinos the casino operator may be able to adjust the probabilites and change the expected return of the machine. However, if the machine claims to model BJ or VP, then it should deal the cards with the correct probabilities. If it does not, and it is not made clear in the rules, then the game is rigged and the casino should be blacklisted.

 

[hhcfreebie]

Slots are random, too, or at least should be. The opposite of random is deterministic. On a typical reeled slot, the positions on each reel are weighted with certain probabilities and the reels are independent of each other. In some online casinos the casino operator may be able to adjust the probabilites and change the expected return of the machine. However, if the machine claims to model BJ or VP, then it should deal the cards with the correct probabilities. If it does not, and it is not made clear in the rules, then the game is rigged and the casino should be blacklisted.

What I meant was, VP should be randomly drawn from a shoe of cards.
As it stands now, the result of their JoB is random generated with a fixed payoout.
IMO, slotland is very straight forward and seems to be reliable. I don't think they would pretend its a 100% VP on purpose. They also post somewhere in their website their card games are generated with weighted RNG. If they want to they can call their space jack game "blackjack" as well, but they didn't.
All they need to do is just to change the name of their JoB to JoB slot, then I'll have no problem whatsoever with them.
Off topic, I always wonder what if I don't play by basic strategy with a JoB.

 

[caruso]

It gets worse. Below the quoted passage from Dominique's site above is this gem: "At Slotland, you will find great games with unique designs and great pay tables."

Great paytables, gimme a break. What "paytables"? There ARE no paytables apart from JOB, which masquerades as 9/6 but is in fact another slot machine. Where does this "great paytables" come from?

Would you like me to send those guys to 1cnp? Or perhaps casino VR?...It beats sending them to places where they will get screwed because they happened to play BJ instead of slots.

You suggest that only the WORST alternatives are viable? If you want to send players to casinos where they stand a chance, send them to Crypto for the single deck game, MG or the same, RTG for the pontoon... to name just three of the best - there are many more. They'll have their ups and downs, but overall they'll get good bang for their bucks. DON'T send them to ripoff joints masquerading as "good" because they pay fast. This is the WORST casino on the net in ALL other senses, and to make a point of advocating them to newbies, whilst stopping short of roguedom, is certainly portalling at its worst, and how anyone can "resent" being called on it is beyond me.

(Roguedom - LOL, neat pun.)

 

[dominique]

You suggest that only the WORST alternatives are viable?

The page is called Webtv Casinos.

For webtv users and aol browsers and a slew of other platforms, which is the only group of players that particular page adresses, I have found the following choices:

Slotland
Iglobal
VR
1cnp

Actually there is another obscure group out there - consisting of Hotjokerpoker, Tiffany's Casino, Double Deuce Casino, Silver Streak Casino, Gamble Girls Casino, Oriental Casino, Galactica Casino, Olympic Casino, Lucky Streak Casino.

Maybe I should send them there like lambs to the slaughter?

All the text on that page and any other page they appear on is quoted directly from Slotland. I have no reason to doubt them - Bryan lists them as recommended for new players, and I have only heard good things about them.

If you don't like to play HTML software, don't. But don't try to convince me that people with odd browsers have to play at known rogue casinos.

 

[sirius]

In case anyone missed reading this from my link I posted, this is the reply received by someone on this thread I contacted recently to test out Slotland's policy about closing accounts. He had already successfully had his account closed by them without them offering bonuses to stay, unlike the other person I mentioned before, but they can't prevent people signing up again.

Dear [name removed],

You are absolutely welcome.

Unfortunately, that is not possible, sorry.

Please, let me know, if I can be of further assistance.

Sincerely,
George
Slotland Customer Service

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

At 12:52 AM 7/27/2004, you wrote:
>Thank you very much,
>
>can you make sure that I will not be able to sign-up at your casino again
>because Ive already been losing too much at your place.
>
>Thanks in advance
>
>[name removed]

 

[murder1]

Slotland is a ripoff, point blank. I am not going to give a site credit. Just because the give a 1X bonus or quick payout. Chances are you will lose your money there and quick! If I had my way, I'll raid their business with black uniforms and :machinegu pointed. They have no business on the internet with the stuff they are pulling. MG and Playtech has alot better slots then they do.

 

[padanian]

As I remember when you try to register there is fine print at the bottom of the page which says sign up bonus + deposit should be wagered 8 times.

Thanks for your feedback HateMG!

 

[The Dude]

Slotland is a ripoff, point blank. I am not going to give a site credit. Just because the give a 1X bonus or quick payout. Chances are you will lose your money there and quick! If I had my way, I'll raid their business with black uniforms and :machinegu pointed. They have no business on the internet with the stuff they are pulling. MG and Playtech has alot better slots then they do.

Murder1, I thought you were going to chill out

These guys are NOT ripoffs, they are a solid group that has been around for ages. I can pretty much honestly say that I have a good idea who is ripping off whom in this industry, Slotland is not one of these cases. If they were ripping off players, the news would be all over the place since they have a relatively high profile. Who hasn't heard of them?

I receive on average 2-5 complaints a day at my Pitch a Bitch section. Slotland has received maybe one in the last year or so. Some rip-off joint

So their software is different and seemingly outdated. So what? They have a loyal player base that probably like it this way. I like "Wild Hearts" and "Booster" and if they changed them, I would be a bit miffed. I don't need sounds and such since I usually have the stereo jammin'. I wouldn't hear the bells and whistles anyway.

Slotland's offices are one of the few I have had the opportunity to personally check out. The personnel present themselves professionally, and I was impressed with the operation as a whole. To be bashing this casino in this forum is a bit too much especially after Hanna introduced herself to try and make amends to whatever was the problem in the first place.

 

[maxfalcon]

To be bashing this casino in this forum is a bit too much especially after Hanna introduced herself to try and make amends to whatever was the problem in the first place.

I second that.

From a webmaster point of view, SlotLand has also one of the most responsive and friendly support out there.

So their software is different and seemingly outdated. So what? They have a loyal player base that probably like it this way. I like "Wild Hearts" and "Booster" and if they changed them, I would be a bit miffed.

An update of their games and website is possible without changing their identity and their unique points.

 

[caruso]

Come on, people. Nobody is questioning their "integrity", business-practices, longevity, accountability or general wonderfulness. I'm sure if The Virgin Mary were to have played online casinos she'd have chosen Slotland. However, she'd have lost all her money because the GAMES are a ripoff. Not the service, the GAMES. Repeat: this is about nothing other than the games payout. The games payout is pathetic. Of course they're wonderful. Give me an online casino to run with games paying nothing more than 95% and I'll show you wonderful and then some, before I buy my Carribean island.

Casinos offering ripoff paytables should be ditched by players and webmasters alike until they agree to change their ways and offer DECENT games.

An update of their games and website is possible without changing their identity and their unique points.

Fine: let them do that and I'll rethink my position.

 

[Vesuvio]

All the text on that page and any other page they appear on is quoted directly from Slotland. I have no reason to doubt them.

Dominique, if all the text there is unedited from Slotland (and the other casinos) wouldn't it be better to say so, rather than leaving it to look like your opinion?

How can you possibly have no reason to doubt the statement "Slotland definitely offers the most generous bonus program available"

I can understand the casino itself getting carried away and indulging in hyperbole/lies but for you to repeat it word for word as if it's an objective assessment is a bit much.

p.s. I wouldn't recommend Slotland to my worst enemy, but the only thing about them which is borderline disreputable is having games which appear to be video poker (where the player has a fighting chance), but aren't. You can't really criticise them for their slots paying out as badly as all slots do - if people want to play there it's their choice.

 

[murder1]

Well Mr. Meister with your luck of hitting royal flushes every other day. I am pretty sure slotluck should be a cake walk to yourself. I stand by my word. Slotland is a ripoff! They have gotten their last red cent from me. If you wish to play there, then more power to you!

 

[The Dude]

Well Mr. Meister with your luck of hitting royal flushes every other day. I am pretty sure slotluck should be a cake walk to yourself. I stand by my word. Slotland is a ripoff! They have gotten their last red cent from me. If you wish to play there, then more power to you!

I've hit three! (count them three!) Royal Flushes ever after a number of years playing. My first at 32red last October, then at Crazy Vegas in Feb., and then Sun Vegas last weekend. If this is "every other day", you must be in some weirdo time warp.

 

[dominique]

Slotland definitely offers the most generous bonus program available"

You need to look at the name of the page. It is for webtv users. They need HTML software or they can't play. A $300 bonus at a microgaming Casino does them no good!

You don't make a lot of money working with people with these type browsers - they do not own computers usually because they can't afford them.

They do a lot of free play. They also tend to have a play budget of like $20 a month. They prefer spending it trying to hit a jackpot to trying to hit a lottery.

I have for instance a gentleman player who writes to me often. He is in his seventies and that is exactly what he does. He plays at least for a couple of hours at Slotland for his $20, and several times he has written to me all aglow because he doubled or tripled his money and that month would be one he would celebrate by treating himself to better food and whatever. More power to him! If he played the lottery like the majority of elderly he would never win. And just the other day he wrote because he had stumbled across VR. I was able to steer him away from there.

I am not saying that you guys are not doing the industry a favor - you do help keep things clean, and I do take a lot of clues from you, that's why I come here. But you are the vocal minority.

Most people think playing BJ means hitting until you get a number between 17 and 21 under any circumstances, and consider insurance a favor offered by the casino. That is the type of people that make online casinos rich and enable ripoffs. That's the kind of people my site and I take care of. And it is the vast majority of players.

I work with a completely different group of people than you guys are, and they need a different service than you do. And it is work I do - and I work 7 days a week, too.

You can take all the potshots you like at me, I'm here to stay and I am going to continue to provide the service I do. None of you were born knowing how to play either.

Slotland is honest and people win. They are one of the oldest casinos around. They have proprietary software and some of their slots are a lot better to play than MG or the others. Booster is one of the best slots I have ever played. So it's HTML. It has a place, a purpose, and I congratulate the people at Slotland for their impeccable service and their unique slots.

 

[Vesuvio]

You need to look at the name of the page. It is for webtv users. They need HTML software or they can't play. A $300 bonus at a microgaming Casino does them no good!

Nice try, but you can't really say that was written only for Webtv users. A quick google of 'slotland' and 'the most generous bonus program available' shows plenty of sites with nothing to do with Webtv, so it's obviously just the casino's standard line. Even if it was only about Webtv I'd have to say IGlobalMedia is much more generous as the player is likely to keep some of his bonus (they also have monthly offers on slots or video poker that are better than Slotland's offers).

I still think you should make it clear where your opinion ends and the casino's begins.

Also not sure of a casino portal owner in the role of philanthropist, but good for you if you have some happy users. I'm just annoyed I missed the chance to set up a site for pensioners in the bonus heyday which could have paid for them all (and me) to go on several cruises around the world!!

 

[murder1]

I was being funny when I said you hit Royals every other week. No ones does that, too low of a probability.
And the only one here that I see is living in a weirdo world. Is yourself with that Got-Damn Mask On. You look like the European version of the Klu Klux Klan...if you ask me. :icon_twis

 

[Black21Jack]

You can take all the potshots you like at me, I'm here to stay and I am going to continue to provide the service I do. None of you were born knowing how to play either.

Don't even let it bother you. I know you have been around longer than I have but as I have stated in other posts, since I have been a member most (not all) people here feed off negativity and are only happy when putting others down, trying to damage any kind of business they are involved in (especially if it is successful) and just trying to get get you going. Keep doing what you are doing.

 

[Vesuvio]

Black21Jack,

You've accused myself and others of being negative on this board a few times, but I think you're being unfair.

This is a forum predominantly for when people have problems at on-line casinos, so obviously negative posts are likely to dominate! But then, we're not being negative just for the sake of it - we're almost always aiming for a positive result: having people lose less money at the casinos.

Among other things, you've attacked me for:

1) criticising Bethug for suggesting negative expectation casino games can be beaten by a progressive betting strategy - I took issue with this (along with a lot of others) because it's blatantly untrue and his postings no doubt lead to people losing money they can't afford to lose at the casinos. It's their responsibility, of course, but I'd still rather do what I can to stop it.

2) critising Fortune Lounge for snatching back their bonuses if people haven't met their complex wagering requirements. My posts might be negative, but they were only aimed at stopping FL using shady practices to keep money they'd otherwise have paid out to players (if like most other casinos they returned the cash-in to the players' accounts and explained the error). You advise not taking bonuses at all - blocking the only way players have a good chance of winning at the casinos.

I've no particular issue with Dominique's website, even if I think the people who read it would actually do better if they were just directed to wizardofodds and perhaps one bonus-orientated site (e.g. www.beatthehouse.co.uk). His site is very casino-orientated & fails to explain the basics of bonuses (like which are sticky or not, or that if you want to keep any of the money you'd better not play slots). I also think not stating when you're quoting directly from casino advertising (at times clearly untrue) is something he should change if he wants to try and claim the moral high ground as someone who helps players.

End of rant

 

[dominique]

Actually, I have stopped emphazising bonuses.

Most of my visitors are first time and novice players. I had so much trouble with them not reading wagering requirements and thinking that online casinos stink and just steal your money because they played BJ, won, and couldn't withdraw that I am going away from emphasizing bonuses.

I used to have so many admonishments on that site to read the wagering requirements, that if you typed into google:" Please make sure you read the wagering requirements on the casino web page" you would end up on my site. No more. It had no effect.

How are you going to get them to read about sticky bonuses or study mathematical odds? Never happen. Just a lot of disappointed people.

They don't want to read, they want to play the game of their choice. I think people get into bonuses later, once it's not all new and overwhelming anymore.

By then they have also found the boards and show up where they learn how to deal with bonuses correctly.

All I want is to make sure they go to reputable places and play decent basic strategy, and to communicate that in the simplest possible way.

Oh, and I am female. Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

 

[bethug]

Vesuvio, MOST people cant play, so if they flat betting they going to lose any way. I will never never play at slotland, just base on how there casino looks.

 

[Vesuvio]

Bethug - true, but if they flat bet they'll probably wager & therefore lose much less money.

Sorry, Dominique! (nice smiley, btw!)

 

[m249a]

I was being funny when I said you hit Royals every other week. No ones does that, too low of a probability.
And the only one here that I see is living in a weirdo world. Is yourself with that Got-Damn Mask On. You look like the European version of the Klu Klux Klan...if you ask me. :icon_twis

Ummm..........hello??? the European version of the Klan??? Do you have ANY clue what the hell you are talking about??? To equate a (I think) mexican wrestling mask with the Nazi movement, is beyond poor taste...there are several menbers and guests that read this forum, whose grasp on the english language isn't quite up to the standard you operate at. A statement like that could very easily, and quickly spiral out of control. I think some sort of clarifaction is in order. NOW

 

[dominique]

Vesuvio - flattery will get you everywhere.

you wrote:

fails to explain the basics of bonuses (like which are sticky or not, or that if you want to keep any of the money you'd better not play slots).

Hey, want to write an article on that for me? I'll pay you and post it on my site. I think its something it needs. You need to have a thick skin though because I edit the dickens out of everything. Expired Image

 

[The Dude]

To equate a (I think) mexican wrestling mask with the Nazi movement, is beyond poor taste

It's a Casinomeister mask, not a Mexican wrestling mask. No Nazis here!

 

[rowmare]

Slotlands slot payouts are presumably the generic 95%.

The JOB game comes in around 85%ish.

Spacejacks comes in around maybe 90% with PERFECT play.

No one has mentioned this fact regarding the payout percentage at Slotland.

1. All of slotland's games are included in the progressive jackpot
2. Progressives have lower payback rates than regular slot games, since a percentage of the money wagered goes towards building the progressive jackpot.

Therefore, unless I am mistaken, we're just pissin in the wind here.