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High Roller question to all

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by pmhcfc, Dec 23, 2008.

    Dec 23, 2008
  1. pmhcfc

    pmhcfc Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Not working
    Location:
    UK
    Hi all

    I show as a 'newbie' but have been reading these excellent forums for a while now...anyway...

    In your opinion, how much would one have to deposit at an online casino to be considered (in the Casinos eyes) as a 'high roller'? I understand it's probably different at different casinos, but I'm looking for either a ball-park figure or, better still, a minimum amount that would have to be deposited to be given the 'high roller' tag.

    Thanks for your opinions.

    PH

    PS - I'm not a high-roller myself...far from it in fact
     
  2. Dec 23, 2008
  3. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    pmhcfc, it's not only about the amount of deposits but also about the number of times you turn that money over too, as in playthru...;)
     
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  4. Dec 23, 2008
  5. Stovetopp

    Stovetopp Senior Member MM

    Occupation:
    Retired
    Location:
    On the Beach

    I think the best way to know is to contact the casino in question either through email or on the phone I am sure each casino has different standards and also depends on the game in question...
    I know this is not the answer you were expecting
     
  6. Dec 23, 2008
  7. pmhcfc

    pmhcfc Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Not working
    Location:
    UK
    Thanks for your reply....

    Yeah, I understand that..But I was wondering if there was a 'ball-park' figure. I mean, If I deposited, say $25k in a 6 month period, would there be a likelyhood I'd get a 'high roller' tag or is $25k too small a figure to warrant that said tag?
     
  8. Dec 23, 2008
  9. RobWin

    RobWin closed account

    Occupation:
    Who knows?
    Location:
    A Vault!
    $25K is a good start if you also turn it over a few times too in that same time period..:cool:
     
  10. Dec 23, 2008
  11. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

    Occupation:
    EXECUTIVE
    Location:
    SOMEWHERE IN ASIA
    The 'high roller' tag is worthless if the benefits that come with it are mediocre. If you deposit $25K within a 6-month period with some decent playthrough I would expect them to reward you with some perks especially when the number of whales are diminishing due to the poor economy.

    Actually, many casinos classify players into different VIP Levels eg Platinum, Gold .... and there are reward programs attached. Some casinos are explicit on how you can reach these VIP levels but even if they arent you can always ask and I think they will give you pointers on how to achieve your desired status.
     
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  12. Dec 23, 2008
  13. Rhyzz

    Rhyzz Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Online Gaming
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    A good casino will be clear on what they expect from people to be able to get the best perks. Don't think it necessarily depends on amount deposited, although this shows an intention to play with your own money which is good. Wagering is the main one, people who are happy to take the swings and continue playing, waiting for the big win
     
  14. Dec 23, 2008
  15. wobble33

    wobble33 Senior Member

    Occupation:
    x
    Location:
    uk
    hi
    a good vip is at ladbrokes..here are the rules..
    Welcome to the Ladbrokes Casino VIP Club
    Ladbrokes Casino has created the VIP Club for our elite and most loyal customers. We believe we have created the "best online casino loyalty scheme". Ladbrokes Casino offers the best games, best service and our VIP Club will reward you to the max!

    S.L, VIP Club member, states "I was a good customer of Xxxxxxx Xxxx for over 4 years and was never given any benefits off them. Thank god I joined Ladbrokes!"

    What you get:
    VIP Lounge- the high-stakes rooms, place some of the largest wagers on the web
    VIP Rewards - chip bonuses, deposit matches and daily free chips
    VIP Events - everything from football, and racing to the ballet
    VIP Promotions - special prize draws solely for our VIP Club Members
    VIP Contact you will be assigned your very own VIP loyalty manager.

    VIP Club members : The Rules
    Deposit, purchase and play over 7,500 Chips per month
    Give us your contact details to benefit fully from the Loyalty Scheme
    Enjoy the free chips and other offers that will come your way as a VIP Club Member.

    The VIP Club is for our elite customers, and as such very stringent entry requirements must be met and sustained.

    All offers, benefits and promotions offered within the VIP Club must meet the terms and conditions of the individual promotion and the terms and conditions of the VIP Club listed below.

    The Promoter reserves the right to refuse any offer to any player for any reason, or to withdraw an offer at any time. No correspondence will be entered into.


    Back to the VIP Club .

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    PROMOTIONS ARE ONLY AVAILABLE TO CUSTOMERS WHO HAVE AGREED TO BE "CONTACTABLE".

    1. The Promoter reserves the right to alter the offer, or to withdraw membership at any time. No correspondence will be entered into.
    2. This offer is only available to customers who are contactable.
    3. To qualify as a VIP Club member, you must deposit and play 7,500 chips, and turnover the 7,500 twice on Video Slots or/ 3 times on Roulette and Blackjack.
    4. When playing Blackjack a minimum bet of 10 GBP or equivalent, must be played on each hand, to qualify as part of the VIP Members club.
    5. A consist and regular level of play is required to maintain your VIP status.
    6. We shall review your account regularly to ensure that you are suitably rewarded.
    7. Any bonus awarded must be played over in the casino four times prior to withdrawal, unless otherwise stated.
    8. Ladbrokes Casino reserves the right to refuse all future promotions and bonuses to players who do not comply with this condition.
    9. Only casino chips purchased and staked in Ladbrokescasino.com will count towards the bonus - playing casino through Ladbrokespoker.com and/or Ladbrokesgames.com does not qualify.
    10. The Promoter reserves the right to refuse any offer to any player for any reason, or to withdraw an offer at any time.
    11. Ladbrokescasino.com reserves the right to exclude any player who we believe not to be playing in the spirit of the promotion or has what we deem to be suspicious play, our decision will be final and no correspondence will be entered into.
    12. No correspondence will be entered into.
    13. Promoter: ladbrokescasino.com, PO Box 150, Suite 8, 5th Floor, Europort, Gibraltar

    i am also a member of 32red club rouge...but no idea what you need to deposit and wager to get in club rouge...maybe a rep on here can tell you:thumbsup:
     
  16. Dec 23, 2008
  17. Scooter7

    Scooter7 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Gaming
    Location:
    Toronto

    The casino can only win as much as you deposit, so I have to think that they base a lot of their decisions on deposit amounts although if someone is also a big poker player then the deposits may not be a perfect reflection.

    If the casino combines your deposit tendencies with your total wagering, it gives a pretty good idea of how much you should be 'worth' to them.

    VIP or not VIP also depends on how much money the casino has to spend on you to get you to play and deposit more, how likely you are to increase your play if they give you special offers, and what the value of their other high value players is. A small operator may target people who deposit over 1,000 as VIP's, but a bigger operation may use 5,000 or 10,000 deposits as their threshold value.
     
  18. Dec 23, 2008
  19. pmhcfc

    pmhcfc Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Not working
    Location:
    UK
    Scooter,

    Thanks for this, and to other posters...

    So the second part of my question is this....

    Let's go with the middle ground and assume depositing 4,000 gets you to be a VIP...

    Would you, as a VIP who can afford to deposit (and play through) 4,000 a month, pay and play in a torny for 3 (possibly more) hours if the prize for winning it was 30? What do you think?
     
  20. Dec 23, 2008
  21. Scooter7

    Scooter7 Meister Member

    Occupation:
    Gaming
    Location:
    Toronto
    If I can afford to lose 4k per month (which I can't), 30 quid is a useless amount of money to me for anything other than lunch:)
     
  22. Dec 23, 2008
  23. Alexishot69

    Alexishot69 Banned User

    Occupation:
    computing
    Location:
    Edinburgh
    lol

    What do you think?? being able to afford to lose 4k a month and playing a 3 hr tourney for 30 you daft or what :lolup::lolup:
     
  24. Dec 23, 2008
  25. pmhcfc

    pmhcfc Experienced Member

    Occupation:
    Not working
    Location:
    UK
    THanks Alex, and Scooter...

    Yeah..That's exactly what I thought....

    If nothing else it proves my own point about something I'm 'discussing' with a Casino manager and this casino's torny's...As and when I've got the required posts and points here (shouldn't be too long), I will explain all in a 'complaint' posting about this Casino...

    I appreciate your input guys :thumbsup:
     
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  26. Dec 24, 2008
  27. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Occupation:
    STILL At Leisure
    Location:
    United Kingdom
    Why bother?

    While one casino might think you unfit for anything like VIP status, others would welcome you.

    I am sure it is the degree of risk you show with your funds, not the amount deposited and played through. For example, Ladbrokes have that 10 min bet stipulation for Blackjack. Without this, it would be easy to deposit 7500, play it through 3x on Autoplay at low stakes, and then withdraw.
    This is where the rules about "manager's discresion" come in. They are there to weed out players who are using a mathematical ploy to get VIP status.

    $25K per month, played through a few times, would easily be enough to reach VIP status at quite a few casinos, however, many also have a time stipulation, and this could be up to one year.

    I have made VIP at quite a few casinos, some where levels are specified by requirements, and others where it is more down to invitation. Making VIP status does not necessarily mean you get the advertised benefits though. I made Gold, and near Platinum at Fortune Lounge and Roxy group, yet was STRIPPED of my benefits, getting nothing at all. The ONLY reason was that I deposited big, risked big, but WON BIG too:D 5000 was enough for Roxy group, I was deemed far too "lucky":p
    Not sure about Fortune Lounge though, they advertised a new "improved" loyalty scheme, but the regular 30% deposit bonuses under the old scheme were replaced by, well, sweet FA. I quickly cut back on deposits, and moved elsewhere, and got VIP there, and better benefits.

    Maybe the casino that refuses to make you VIP even for $25K per month, and spending 3 hours for 30, believes you are out to "work the VIP programme" by making VIP & then letting rip with "advantage play". Maybe you simply did not LOSE enough, you played too cleverly for them to believe they can make more from you by offering you VIP benefits.

    Those cases where I was dumped from VIP scheme benefits after a big win probably show what the TRUE reasoning is behind all these VIP promises. It has bugger all to do with loyalty, deposits, or playthrough - it is all about whether you are mug enough to lose on a grander scale if they make you up to VIP.

    Persistently complaining to a particular casino about not making VIP has the reverse effect to that intended, they are progressively LESS likely to make you VIP, not more.

    Best policy is ask about it, forget about it after their rebuttal, and wait for their "retention team" to notice your deposits have plummeted from several K to near zero - THEY will be in touch with YOU if you EVER had any chance of making VIP there in the longer term. Most casinos use software to track such behaviour, and flag accounts not just for negative reasons, but because a substantial player seems to have more or less stopped playing overnight. What worries them then is that you have been poached by another casino, and offered something better.
     
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  28. Dec 24, 2008
  29. EasyRhino

    EasyRhino Dormant account

    Occupation:
    Analyst
    Location:
    San Diego
    In general, if a high roller wanted the ass-kissing experience, I'd recommend brick and mortar casinos.
     

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