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New Slot Announcement Here it is! BTG's Holy Diver slot!
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I've just played it for an hour and it is so boring
How come all reviews for BTG games, wherever you look, talk about them as if they are the best games since Roman times, yet as soon as they come out, with the exception of Bonanza, normal customers slate them. Think some reviewers want to actually start reviewing correctly. I read about 8 reviews earlier and every one was gushing over it, one or two I don't even think played it from their comments!
How come all reviews for BTG games, wherever you look, talk about them as if they are the best games since Roman times, yet as soon as they come out, with the exception of Bonanza, normal customers slate them. Think some reviewers want to actually start reviewing correctly. I read about 8 reviews earlier and every one was gushing over it, one or two I don't even think played it from their comments!
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Hahaha. As soon as I saw the title, I started singing. That album came out when I was in grade 12..1984
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Don’t succumb to the fake promised wins mate.
Get on DOA and hunt like hell for a wildline or a 5 scatter trigger. More chance of that than over 1000x on BTG garbage
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That’s totally accurate.
Many ‘reviewers’ clearly have vested interest hence the actual review being far from balanced.
You see many a ‘reviewer’ rave about a game, then actually never touch it with a barge pole with real funds..
All this exclusive releasing at certain casinos with certain shills spinning away also makes me naucous.
The nature of the review of a BTG slot is as balanced as a BBC interview.
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I do wonder if you slapped a Netent logo on some of BTG games would the reviews be the same
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Of course not, we are seeing much bigger wins from netent ‘Vikings’ for example, yet no massive PR stunt, no streamers and casinos lining up to promote it..I do wonder if you slapped a Netent logo on some of BTG games would the reviews be the same
BTG are using publicity via the shills to perfection, even though the games are actually not all that...
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Because they all given early access and they're all promoting a site or something. As you say average viewer knows it's shite but then he isn't tag teaming the BGT rep so he has nothing to gain or lose by being honest.
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Careful mate, the current climate of happy ban hammers on this forum is at a disturbing high!..
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Not like I pointed fingers at anyone. Anyway my point still stands you see these reviews and videos everywhere all from people looking to get sign ups or who work with the industry or casinos directly. If I was on that position I would also feel pressured to be positive especially if on the gravy train of early access to content.
My point is ignore these videos and reviews and average player should be the judge and jury for slots.
This one gets a fat round TURD from me.
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Haha! Superb and accurate mate.
For what it’s worth also I found your bans utterly ridiculous.
Just avoid that bonanza and all will be well
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I watched the stream of the live premiere of Holy Diver and I agree it was the dullest slot I've ever seen played in some time. I feel BTG has become like Alexei Pajitnov of Tetris fame or J.D. Salinger of The Catcher In The Rye fame. They're one hit wonders. They made a great slot machine in Bonanza and have been unable to follow up with something just as impressive. They're just spinning their wheels now.
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Sorry, but I do feel slightly offended by your comments.
I don't know how other reviewers write their pieces but I play a game for minimum 3 hours nonstop and in total 5 - 6 hours before I complete a review.What I write is what my opinion / impression of the game is after that period, I don't care if it is BTG, Netent or anything else. And I get paid the same rate for every game, so I have no incentive whatsoever to make reviews sound more impressive.
Vikings got a better review than Holy Diver from me, but most people here blasted it. I think it is the near-perfect HV monster, so if you don't like that kind of volatlity then the game is not for you, pretty clear. But the game is a stunning piece with a very authentic design and it plays just like those mad Vikings were, highly volatile.
Do I think Holy Diver is overall a good game? Yes, I do because as a math junky I also think of the maths mechanic that such a game needs to operate. It is humongous on Bonanza and double humongous on Holy Diver as it has more variables to consider. The game purely offers you three levels that you can choose from. Play bonus round more often with smaller win potential or go up to level 3 with more win potential. Of course, level 3 can pay less than level 1 but level 1 will never have the potential of level 3. Hence, the higher you go the higher the volatility will be since you will spend more money to reach level 3 instead of going to level 1 only.
But I am near 100% certain we will see more 1,000x + screenshots from Holy Diver than from Bonanza. We'll talk again in 3 - 6 months after it was released networkwide.
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Sorry, but I do feel slightly offended by your comments.
What I write is what my opinion / impression of the game is after that period, I don't care if it is BTG, Netent or anything else. And I get paid the same rate for every game, so I have no incentive whatsoever to make reviews sound more impressive.
Vikings got a better review than Holy Diver from me, but most people here blasted it. I think it is the near-perfect HV monster, so if you don't like that kind of volatlity then the game is not for you, pretty clear. But the game is a stunning piece with a very authentic design and it plays just like those mad Vikings were, highly volatile.
Do I think Holy Diver is overall a good game? Yes, I do because as a math junky I also think of the maths mechanic that such a game needs to operate. It is humongous on Bonanza and double humongous on Holy Diver as it has more variables to consider. The game purely offers you three levels that you can choose from. Play bonus round more often with smaller win potential or go up to level 3 with more win potential. Of course, level 3 can pay less than level 1 but level 1 will never have the potential of level 3. Hence, the higher you go the higher the volatility will be since you will spend more money to reach level 3 instead of going to level 1 only.
But I am near 100% certain we will see more 1,000x + screenshots from Holy Diver than from Bonanza. We'll talk again in 3 - 6 months after it was released networkwide.
I think this is the problem with a lot of the BTG games. Are they actually HV games? It's a line trotted out by BTG lovers when people ridicule the poor bonus rounds (sometimes quite patronisingly by some-oh you don't understand...err, yes i do.) - you don't hear folk complain the same re BoD/DOA whose bonus rounds often are sub 50 - i think one of the reasons is folk actually appreciate that those two are HV.
Like i said above, am not having a dig at any individual reviewers, but as i mentioned regarding the Netent logo comment above, I do find it odd that some praise their games as the second coming whereas if it was another provider, shouts of 'shite' would be heard bellowing from the town hall.
Personally? If i want to play a true HV game, BTG are way behind in that - Napoleon for example is miles beyond anything they've done. Vikings is a better game for HV lovers.
This game doesn't look like it holds any appeal for me (and yes, i do like Bonanza for my secret sins!) and i think they really need to pull a rabbit out of a hat with their next engine before they start to become a parody of themselves as the 'but the potential!' provider.
PS - as i type this i just got a GOLD plus 5 on 2 quid in B. Above is subject to change
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Bet that poor bugger at the bottom is knackered all that running.
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I think this is the problem with a lot of the BTG games. Are they actually HV games? It's a line trotted out by BTG lovers when people ridicule the poor bonus rounds (sometimes quite patronisingly by some-oh you don't understand...err, yes i do.) - you don't hear folk complain the same re BoD/DOA whose bonus rounds often are sub 50 - i think one of the reasons is folk actually appreciate that those two are HV.
Like i said above, am not having a dig at any individual reviewers, but as i mentioned regarding the Netent logo comment above, I do find it odd that some praise their games as the second coming whereas if it was another provider, shouts of 'shite' would be heard bellowing from the town hall.
Personally? If i want to play a true HV game, BTG are way behind in that - Napoleon for example is miles beyond anything they've done. Vikings is a better game for HV lovers.
This game doesn't look like it holds any appeal for me (and yes, i do like Bonanza for my secret sins!) and i think they really need to pull a rabbit out of a hat with their next engine before they start to become a parody of themselves as the 'but the potential!' provider.
PS - as i type this i just got a GOLD plus 5 on 2 quid in B. Above is subject to change
Cheers for your answer
Holy Diver is a mixed bag when it comes to volatility. I scored it well below Vikings and Napoleon. One reason is that the base game runs similar to Bonanza with average 65 - 70% RTP while the three different levels of Free Spins determine your level of volatility. Vikings and Napoleon can trash your balance in the base game without lifting an eyebrow.
I think it is a rather good design from BTG as it give players the options to choose. It is a bit like TS2 or IR with the four choices, we all know which one is the most volatile.
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I will be giving this a shot tomorrow when I get paid. But when I played it in fun play last night, it was pretty boring and pretty bad at the same time. Yes it might not have or need a feature buy because in my mind you can usually get level 1 trigger within 200-400 spins on average, you might even get it in 50 spins or less. I will always go for the level 3 spins on it anyway obviously as I think pretty much everyone else will too. Unless of course you run out of balance that is.
At least I noticed you can get more than 1 gem from 1 chest though. I did get 2 Gems once last night from 1 chest. I wonder then if you can get all 4 gems from 1 chest as well? Perhaps you can, maybe @Big Time Gaming might want to reply and confirm or not confirm this?
As for playtime length, I am not sure how it will be like to wager on this yet but I suspect it might be similar to the other BTG slots in terms of sometimes you can get long playtime and wagering of 1 deposit. But it will still take you to the cleaners in the end as always is the case with BTG slots.
At least I noticed you can get more than 1 gem from 1 chest though. I did get 2 Gems once last night from 1 chest. I wonder then if you can get all 4 gems from 1 chest as well? Perhaps you can, maybe @Big Time Gaming might want to reply and confirm or not confirm this?
As for playtime length, I am not sure how it will be like to wager on this yet but I suspect it might be similar to the other BTG slots in terms of sometimes you can get long playtime and wagering of 1 deposit. But it will still take you to the cleaners in the end as always is the case with BTG slots
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Tried it for real this morning at Leo, just put 20 quid in and low rolled on 10p
It was bringing gems in quite quickly for me but never had 2 at once. You can tell when its going to chuck a gem out as well.
Loved it when it lobbed a 6x and a 4x sword out onto reels 2 & 3 for a 14x win
Ended up collecting two level 2 bonuses and was down 5 pence on it, nowhere near a retrigger.
TBH, I enjoyed playing it more than I did the other day.
Its pointless collecting level 1 spins as there are no multipliers.
Will go for level 3 next time I play
It was bringing gems in quite quickly for me but never had 2 at once. You can tell when its going to chuck a gem out as well.
Loved it when it lobbed a 6x and a 4x sword out onto reels 2 & 3 for a 14x win
Ended up collecting two level 2 bonuses and was down 5 pence on it, nowhere near a retrigger.
TBH, I enjoyed playing it more than I did the other day.
Its pointless collecting level 1 spins as there are no multipliers.
Will go for level 3 next time I play
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First effort: £34 in (@30p), collected level 1 bonus and won £4.98
Second effort: £15 in (@10p), made it to the end of level 3 and got just over £10.
Third effort: £20 in (@20p), collected level 1 for £15 bonus.
I appreciate that it is a HV game and that 3 bonuses isn’t much to base my opinion on but I can’t help feeling I’ve just lost 2 and 1/2 hours of my life to this pile of dung. Sorry BTG, I tried to stay positive for you but I couldn’t help but compare it to the frustration felt when playing castle builder II.
Second effort: £15 in (@10p), made it to the end of level 3 and got just over £10.
Third effort: £20 in (@20p), collected level 1 for £15 bonus.
I appreciate that it is a HV game and that 3 bonuses isn’t much to base my opinion on but I can’t help feeling I’ve just lost 2 and 1/2 hours of my life to this pile of dung. Sorry BTG, I tried to stay positive for you but I couldn’t help but compare it to the frustration felt when playing castle builder II.
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Sorry, but I do feel slightly offended by your comments.
I can say pretty much with 100% certainty, your review wasn't one I read last night, so you certainly shouldn't be offended! One of them was even gushing about how, when you get the 8 free spins, you know you are in for a treat and if you manage to get a retrigger for the 4 extra spins, then lookout for the big wins coming, then went on to say how its the best game BTG have ever released. Clearly whoever wrote that hadn't even opened the game let alone played it!
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Cheers mate.
Nope, couldn't be mine. I never "gush" about a slot. After all, they willl take our money in the long run, nothing to gush about!
But yes, for information purposes I do google some reviews to see what other people are writing. There are some way better writers than me and rather a lot really bad ones which seem to have little clue about slots in general.
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Cant beat the dunover reviews,if a game is shit,he lets you know in no uncertain terms with comments
like " that was f******g diabolical,a lot closer to the real world experience a player will get when he plays
with his own money.Cant stand some of the fawning coments on other reviews where depite the producers
denials there is a vested interest not slating the game.He doesnt always get it right, some games do come
good after a few weeks of play and have hidden depths that a few hours of play dont get to explore.
Cant remember how his review of this game went, think it kind of neutral,but overall i trust his reviews
to be balanced and fair
like " that was f******g diabolical,a lot closer to the real world experience a player will get when he plays
with his own money.Cant stand some of the fawning coments on other reviews where depite the producers
denials there is a vested interest not slating the game.He doesnt always get it right, some games do come
good after a few weeks of play and have hidden depths that a few hours of play dont get to explore.
Cant remember how his review of this game went, think it kind of neutral,but overall i trust his reviews
to be balanced and fair
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Doesn't need to be a deal in place, but reviews do tend to entice players into registering and playing. I can't imagine anyone writing reviews aren't affiliated with some casino, and players wanting to sign up = money.
If game reviews on your affiliate page completely trashes the games, people don't want to play them and in return you get less money.
It doesn't need to be a deal between the provider and the reviewer.
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I like the concept of the game but with players like me who can't deposit very much at one time or make a few deposits a day I feel its more for the steamers this one. I can't really see me making the headlines with a £10 deposit playing 10p spins.
Also I take it you really do need level 3 feature with a couple of 8 retriggers to get the extra ways.
Also I take it you really do need level 3 feature with a couple of 8 retriggers to get the extra ways.
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I will be giving this a shot tomorrow when I get paid. But when I played it in fun play last night, it was pretty boring and pretty bad at the same time. Yes it might not have or need a feature buy because in my mind you can usually get level 1 trigger within 200-400 spins on average, you might even get it in 50 spins or less. I will always go for the level 3 spins on it anyway obviously as I think pretty much everyone else will too. Unless of course you run out of balance that is.
At least I noticed you can get more than 1 gem from 1 chest though. I did get 2 Gems once last night from 1 chest. I wonder then if you can get all 4 gems from 1 chest as well? Perhaps you can, maybe @Big Time Gaming might want to reply and confirm or not confirm this?
As for playtime length, I am not sure how it will be like to wager on this yet but I suspect it might be similar to the other BTG slots in terms of sometimes you can get long playtime and wagering of 1 deposit. But it will still take you to the cleaners in the end as always is the case with BTG slots
Yes, you can. If you do and you are past level 1 when this happens all your gems of all 4 colours on that spin in view on reels 2-5 will also get the wild multiplier you've just attained overlaid for that spin, thus you will likely get a big win as it occurs.
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Don’t you get 8 extra spins? Lol
Which further reinforces your point that they haven’t even played it...
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Now ive tested it some more and gotten all 3 level bonuses.
Level 1 gave x80 so was ok i guess, but took around 450 spins to get.
Level 2 gave only x30 so was very bad, but it didnt take so many spins to get, maybe 150-200.
Level 3 i just finished and it gave x438, so was good.
Took 300-400 spins to get. Got 1 big win (x432) from 13 spins and the rest was dead.
End result was x438.
Level 1 gave x80 so was ok i guess, but took around 450 spins to get.
Level 2 gave only x30 so was very bad, but it didnt take so many spins to get, maybe 150-200.
Level 3 i just finished and it gave x438, so was good.
Took 300-400 spins to get. Got 1 big win (x432) from 13 spins and the rest was dead.
End result was x438.
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I wonder how rare it is to get the +8 retriggers though? I would guess it is just as rare or more rarer than getting a retrig on White Rabbit?
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I believe it's the retrigger +8 that activates the random reel cascades too?
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Is this live at Royal Panda?
Cannot seem to find it.
Cannot seem to find it.
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I rarely read any slot reviews, and if I do, it's only for information about the game, not for the reviewer's opinion.
How many books, music and movies etc, have been trashed by critics/reviewers, only to become smash hits.
Or lorded by critics/reviewers, only to become absolute flops?
How many books, music and movies etc, have been trashed by critics/reviewers, only to become smash hits.
Or lorded by critics/reviewers, only to become absolute flops?
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On demo play, 189 spins to get 1st level and paid 40x
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tried it in demo mode last night on a .80 bet
took 750 spins to reach level 2 was down 140 bux by then and already bored biggest win 10x so played it and paid 25x
and the base game plays way to slow, dont see the point in that fella running around like an idiot why not just pop up with some random stuff every 2-3 spins ?
so all in all not a game i will be playing for real, might do if my balance is big and i can put it on auto and go shopping while it plays
took 750 spins to reach level 2 was down 140 bux by then and already bored biggest win 10x so played it and paid 25x
and the base game plays way to slow, dont see the point in that fella running around like an idiot why not just pop up with some random stuff every 2-3 spins ?
so all in all not a game i will be playing for real, might do if my balance is big and i can put it on auto and go shopping while it plays
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I assume all collected gems will be saved between session.
Meaning this game will go straight onto the bonus excluded lists
Meaning this game will go straight onto the bonus excluded lists
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I asked LeoVegas about it yesterday and at least as of the games release it was not bonus excluded
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It might not be excluded (yet), however collecting the Gems and taking the Bonus when you bust out will still be considered bonus abuse, obviously.
I can agree with some that collecting the gems can be a bit boring/tiresome at times as i've had a fair go on it when i had access to the demo, however, it gets a bit more exciting when you consider the possibility of getting big wins like @nikantw did when you are collecting the 2x / 3x gems
Completely see how this game isnt everyone taste though. It's grindy - perhaps even more so than bonanza is.
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Was Wild Swarm on Leovegas bonus excluded list? Just curious?
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