Heads up for Rival Players

[Nifty29]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:

Unless specifically mentioned below, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. The following games (and any variants) are excluded, do not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, RedDog, Baccarat, Single Videopoker, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.

Just FYI

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:



Just FYI

That is one hell of a list, this could catch out quite a few players who like non-slot games. It goes well beyond the normal list of exclusions used to counter the strategy of doubling up the bankroll with a big starting bet (Blackjack, Roulette, & Baccarat).
Many players will get caught out with the VP exclusion, as well as the table poker exclusions, even when they do not play any kind of "abuse strategy".
Does Rival really need another raft of negative press after recently climbing out of the last "pit".


(Apologies for the mixed metaphore).

 

[Zoozie]

It goes well beyond the normal list of exclusions used to counter the strategy of doubling up the bankroll with a big (Apologies for the mixed metaphore).

Rival has already implemented max betting limit when playing with a bonus and it is 25$ or 50$ on the roulette etc. They can just decrease the betting limit for these games dependant on the bonus (ie. max betting limit 0$ for total exclusion). The software are made so this can be configured to totally avoid the
void of winnings because reading the T&C is nearly rocket-science today. Rival had the perfect solution already and it is a shame they allow players to be trapped this way. Stupid stupid stupid.

 

[SlotsWizard]

Does this apply to all Rival casinos or a particular one?

 

[KasinoKing]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:

Unless specifically mentioned below, 1 credit wagered in a game counts as 1 credit toward playthrough requirements. The following games (and any variants) are excluded, do not count towards playthrough requirements and winnings may be considered null and void: Roulette, Blackjack, RedDog, Baccarat, Single Videopoker, PaiGow, War, ThreeCard, LetItRide, Videopoker, Craps, DoubleUp, CaribStud.

The main problem I have with this personally is the ambiguous word "May"
This could mean "winnings might be considered null and void"
or "winnings will be considered null and void"

I think Rival (and all other casinos, come to that) need to totally eliminate ambiguous statements like this.

Rival has already implemented max betting limit when playing with a bonus and it is 25$ or 50$ on the roulette etc. They can just decrease the betting limit for these games dependent on the bonus (ie. max betting limit 0$ for total exclusion). The software are made so this can be configured to totally avoid the
void of winnings because reading the T&C is nearly rocket-science today. Rival had the perfect solution already and it is a shame they allow players to be trapped this way. Stupid stupid stupid.

If they ever did trap players like that, than I agree it would be very very very stupid!

So far Rival seem to have had a very sensible & fair approach to everything, so hopefully they will never go down that road.

KK

 

[TDTAT]

I spoke to Rival a few days ago about this change.
Sloto'Cash told me You can still play all games after wagering is complete.

I could be mistaken and way off, but I think the change was made after people here at Casino Meister
suggested that casinos must protect themselves from certain
kinds of bonus abuse, or go belly up. And after some Rival casinos
were attacked by some forums exploiting their bonus weakness.

I never play the video poker at Rival, only the slots, so was not
too concerned about this.. Rival video poker stinks in my opinion.

 

[SlotsWizard]

I never play the video poker at Rival, only the slots, so was not too concerned about this.. Rival video poker stinks in my opinion.

Rival's video poker is actually quite nice. The graphics are decent, but the games can sometimes be a bit slow when playing 10 or 25 hands. The paytables are fairly decent too, just avoid the two Joker Poker games since they have the lowest payouts.

That said, I've never really been able to hit anything very decent with it (a royal or 4D+J), but that's just my bad luck.

 

[TDTAT]

Rival's video poker is actually quite nice. The graphics are decent, but the games can sometimes be a bit slow when playing 10 or 25 hands. The paytables are fairly decent too, just avoid the two Joker Poker games since they have the lowest payouts.

That said, I've never really been able to hit anything very decent with it (a royal or 4D+J), but that's just my bad luck.

My bad.. it stinks for me because I am too lazy to hold my own cards..
I like Microgaming video poker for this reason

 

[SlotsWizard]

My bad.. it stinks for me because I am too lazy to hold my own cards..
I like Microgaming video poker for this reason

I understand. You have to be especially careful in Deuces Wild or Deuces & Joker because when you get multiple wilds it will hold them and the highest other card, when usually the best play is to hold the wilds only, or four to a straight flush. Or if you're dealt a straight where two of the cards are wilds, the best play is to chuck the other three.

 

[Zoozie]

Just adding that stupid text to the T&C worries me, though they have not used it yet. Especially since Rival are one of the very few software providers that had solved the bonus-abuse problem with a very good solution. They players could not do anything to breach the T&C since the software prevented that.

Rival's video poker is actually quite nice. The graphics are decent.

That said, I've never really been able to hit anything very decent with it (a royal or 4D+J), but that's just my bad luck.

I also like the Rival VP software. The 4-hands version is my favorite VP platform among all software providers. I like the way the winning cards are presented by highlighting them in size.

Only problem is that I have been extremely unlucky at Rival VP. It is the only software platform where I have never hit a RF (except rogue/cheating platforms). Playing for months at mostly Cocoa and DaVinci I stopped after I passing 5 RF cycles. Of course multihand VP increases the variance, but still it was very unlucky. (<1%). I have had dueces in dueces wild only once in about 4 cycles as well. But still I am almost certain the software is far, I have just had some bad luck and current at about 250 'scare RF's and counting.

The slot I have generally been very lucky with (but they also have the highest payout% you can find online).

 

[SlotsWizard]

Just adding that stupid text to the T&C worries me, though they have not used it yet. Especially since Rival are one of the very few software providers that had solved the bonus-abuse problem with a very good solution. They players could not do anything to breach the T&C since the software prevented that.



I also like the Rival VP software. The 4-hands version is my favorite VP platform among all software providers. I like the way the winning cards are presented by highlighting them in size.

Only problem is that I have been extremely unlucky at Rival VP. It is the only software platform where I have never hit a RF (except rogue/cheating platforms). Playing for months at mostly Cocoa and DaVinci I stopped after I passing 5 RF cycles. Of course multihand VP increases the variance, but still it was very unlucky. (<1%). I have had dueces in dueces wild only once in about 4 cycles as well. But still I am almost certain the software is far, I have just had some bad luck and current at about 250 'scare RF's and counting.

The slot I have generally been very lucky with (but they also have the highest payout% you can find online).

I too have been unlucky with their VP but, like you, I'm convinced that it's fair. Earlier this week I was dealt pat four Jacks in Jacks or Better, it's a shame I wasn't playing Aces and Faces .

I also finally hit four deuces - in Deuces & Joker though - after trying really hard to get something. I can usually roughly break even, or come out slightly ahead, and then go lose it on the slots. I like their 4-hand VP as well, although I did play 10-hand quite a bit earlier this week.

 

[TDTAT]

I understand. You have to be especially careful in Deuces Wild or Deuces & Joker because when you get multiple wilds it will hold them and the highest other card, when usually the best play is to hold the wilds only, or four to a straight flush. Or if you're dealt a straight where two of the cards are wilds, the best play is to chuck the other three.

YOU have to watch them for sure.. they do not always
hold optimal play!! I mainly play Double double bonus
but they screw up a few things LARGELY on that..
and sometimes I play too fast to catch it until after I hit draw.. they love fish like me

 

[SlotsWizard]

YOU have to watch them for sure.. they do not always
hold optimal play!! I mainly play Double double bonus
but they screw up a few things LARGELY on that..
and sometimes I play too fast to catch it until after I hit draw.. they love fish like me

Which Rival casino offers Double Double Bonus?

 

[TDTAT]

Which Rival casino offers Double Double Bonus?

Sorry.. I was talking about Microgaming Video poker
I only play Micro VP because I am too lazy to hold cards (and I mainly like DDB)

 

[Nifty29]

Does this apply to all Rival casinos or a particular one?

Hiya Slots

Ive checked 3 of them and they all have it now

BTW - Mayan Fortune has completely revamped its software and it runs 1000% better - the graphics are really crisp and the gameplay is the best yet Ive seen from Rival.


"Its Rival, Jim, but not as we know it...."

(for those who remember 'star trekkin' from the 80's)

 

[TDTAT]

BTW - Mayan Fortune has completely revamped its software and it runs 1000% better - the graphics are really crisp and the gameplay is the best yet Ive seen from Rival.

WOW.. I just played, what a change. Smooth as silk. I hope all the Rivals are getting this.

EDIT UPDATE:
I just heard they will all get the upgrade, but Rival wanted to release one casino at a time

 

[TDTAT]

BTW - Mayan Fortune has completely revamped its software and it runs 1000% better - the graphics are really crisp and the gameplay is the best yet Ive seen from Rival.

Pantasia Casino has now upgraded also!! SimonSays is next and then Sloto'Cash!!

 

[mush]

WOW.. I just played, what a change. Smooth as silk. I hope all the Rivals are getting this.

EDIT UPDATE:
I just heard they will all get the upgrade, but Rival wanted to release one casino at a time

just fyi - it appears most 3rd party processors being used by most casinos received an "upgrade" at some point early yesterday morning, effectively shutting down many of the depositing options that were left for us players. some good news, i was told that some of these casinos have replaced their processors overnight in hopes of solving this problem, but this still hasn't helped me.

 

[TDTAT]

just fyi - it appears most 3rd party processors being used by most casinos received an "upgrade" at some point early yesterday morning, effectively shutting down many of the depositing options that were left for us players. some good news, i was told that some of these casinos have replaced their processors overnight in hopes of solving this problem, but this still hasn't helped me.

Hi Mush! Sorry I did not know that.. I only use Quicktender and eWalletXpress.
I just deposited at Pantasia with QT and it worked though

I will shoot out a few emails and see what I can find out about
the processor deal..

Meanwhile thanks for giving me the perfect excuse to deposit!
(I may have to test eWallet too just to be safe)

 

[TDTAT]

just fyi - it appears most 3rd party processors being used by most casinos received an "upgrade" at some point early yesterday morning, effectively shutting down many of the depositing options that were left for us players. some good news, i was told that some of these casinos have replaced their processors overnight in hopes of solving this problem, but this still hasn't helped me.

Hi again Mush.. Did you mean the Quicktender not accepting Mastercard
issue? Or a casino specific issue? I spoke to Sloto'Cash and they said
their processors were all working fine.. Maybe I will have
better answers when I hear back from more sources

 

[mush]

Hi again Mush.. Did you mean the Quicktender not accepting Mastercard
issue? Or a casino specific issue? I spoke to Sloto'Cash and they said
their processors were all working fine.. Maybe I will have
better answers when I hear back from more sources

as far as i can tell, this is an issue that is/has affected quicktender accepting deposits via visa and casinos as well.

 

[1819]

Hey all

Just noticed the wording in the promotions has changed:



Just FYI

then the very next pararaph states that those games may have modified limits. wtf? if you cant play them then delete the paragraph. cool games at theses rivals but alot of glitches. wrong paytable info on some. one of the games info is blank. many, many timed out sessions. also support is quick but misinformed as usual. the gf played at cocoa and did well. she wanted to try another so i contacted support at paradise 8 for her. i asked if they were in the same group and he said "no. why"? i told him that the rep was the same for the 2 casinos. he said "why would that matter"? i told him i didnt want to accept a deposit bonus if there would be a conflict. he did not understand what i was telling him and said it would be ok. i asked him to send an email confirming this and he said ok but one never came. dont quite trust these places just yet.

 

[TDTAT]

as far as i can tell, this is an issue that is/has affected quicktender accepting deposits via visa and casinos as well.

Hi mush! Maybe they fixed it.. because I just deposited $50
from my visa into Quicktender and it worked.

I deposited from Quicktender to 2 Rivals and it worked.

Maybe I will hear more later and if I do I will let you know
I hope it clears up for you soon, the new upgrades make Rival
casinos much more enjoyable.

 

[TDTAT]

then the very next pararaph states that those games may have modified limits. wtf? if you cant play them then delete the paragraph. cool games at theses rivals but alot of glitches. wrong paytable info on some. one of the games info is blank. many, many timed out sessions. also support is quick but misinformed as usual. the gf played at cocoa and did well. she wanted to try another so i contacted support at paradise 8 for her. i asked if they were in the same group and he said "no. why"? i told him that the rep was the same for the 2 casinos. he said "why would that matter"? i told him i didnt want to accept a deposit bonus if there would be a conflict. he did not understand what i was telling him and said it would be ok. i asked him to send an email confirming this and he said ok but one never came. dont quite trust these places just yet.

Hello! You can have an account at each Rival casino and claim bonuses

If you have time, try the new upgrades at Mayan and Pantasia
for fun. All Rivals will have the upgrade soon and it has fixed
all the jumps and game glitches as far as I can tell

Paradise8/Cocoa have a rep here (Jason), as does This is Vegas (John) and Davinci's (Jayden) Plus one for SimonSays (Kendra) and maybe more..

GOOD LUCK!!

 

[hippo925]

Hello! You can have an account at each Rival casino and claim bonuses

If you have time, try the new upgrades at Mayan and Pantasia
for fun. All Rivals will have the upgrade soon and it has fixed
all the jumps and game glitches as far as I can tell

Paradise8/Cocoa have a rep here (Jason), as does This is Vegas (John) and Davinci's (Jayden) Plus one for SimonSays (Kendra) and maybe more..

GOOD LUCK!!

So does that mean that essentially, you can sign-up at all of them, play the free ND bonuses, then the deposit bonuses? And since they all have different types of bonuses, you can choose whichever ones you feel are better with better terms? With that many Rivals, that seems like a plethora of bonuses every month.

So which one does everyone play at? who has better bonus terms, etc?
(I've tried TIV and Pantasia for the ND bonuses, very impressed with both.) I'm just concerned that my only withdrawal method at a rival casino would be by ACH right now...3-4 weeks???

 

[anniemac]

Yep, that correct. You can have accounts at each and every one of the Rivals and receive bonuses for each and every one. I have an account with each one, receive bonuses from all of the and use all of them.

As for withdrawals, ACH is probably the worst. I would try for a quicktender or ewalletexpress account. Quicktender so far for me is the best, hours not days.

 

[KasinoKing]

So does that mean that essentially, you can sign-up at all of them, play the free ND bonuses, then the deposit bonuses? And since they all have different types of bonuses, you can choose whichever ones you feel are better with better terms? With that many Rivals, that seems like a plethora of bonuses every month.

I believe that you can claim ALL the bonuses, yes.

BUT you are only allowed ONE active bonus at any one time across ALL the Rival casinos!

According to a slots guide site I know quite well Superior have the best SUB with WR only (D+B) x10.
The others aren't much higher though - a few are (D+B) x11 & I think the highest is (D+B) x15
However, I'm not 100% certain if the same WR applies to all follow-on bonuses...?

KK

{Edit} Oh Poop! Just checked Superior & it looks like it's gone up to (D+B) x15!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Rival has already implemented max betting limit when playing with a bonus and it is 25$ or 50$ on the roulette etc. They can just decrease the betting limit for these games dependant on the bonus (ie. max betting limit 0$ for total exclusion). The software are made so this can be configured to totally avoid the
void of winnings because reading the T&C is nearly rocket-science today. Rival had the perfect solution already and it is a shame they allow players to be trapped this way. Stupid stupid stupid.

If Rival have got such software measures in place, why on earth have such a predatory term that is likely to scare away players who like non-slot games. The list includes many games that cannot be used to "abuse" bonuses even if there were no modified limits.
They also have the central database of "bonus abusers", which is yet another layer of protection.

The use of the word "may" is deliberately misleading, as it means "will". This was shown to be the case at Trident Group a while back, when despite management agreeing that the player in question had played a game "banned" only 9 days prior in a manner that was "normal recreational play" rather than a deliberate attempt to "abuse" the bonus - the word "may" STILL meant "will". The same has recently been the case at BelleRock, with a long paragraph about the consequences of claiming more than one bonus with the group actually boiling down to "....WILL be confiscated, and the deposit returned".

Rival have completely lost the plot on this one, they went down the road of enforcing bonus terms through the software, only now to go back to the "standard practice" of having nasty confiscation clauses in the terms, which makes them no more "innovative" than the rest - so might as well play at "the rest" that have tried & tested software and good reputation, rather than rely on promises of innovation and a new approach to controlling "abuse" and fraud without the negative consequences for players who simply make mistakes.

 

[TDTAT]

If Rival have got such software measures in place, why on earth have such a predatory term that is likely to scare away players who like non-slot games. The list includes many games that cannot be used to "abuse" bonuses even if there were no modified limits.
They also have the central database of "bonus abusers", which is yet another layer of protection.

The use of the word "may" is deliberately misleading, as it means "will". This was shown to be the case at Trident Group a while back, when despite management agreeing that the player in question had played a game "banned" only 9 days prior in a manner that was "normal recreational play" rather than a deliberate attempt to "abuse" the bonus - the word "may" STILL meant "will". The same has recently been the case at BelleRock, with a long paragraph about the consequences of claiming more than one bonus with the group actually boiling down to "....WILL be confiscated, and the deposit returned".

Rival have completely lost the plot on this one, they went down the road of enforcing bonus terms through the software, only now to go back to the "standard practice" of having nasty confiscation clauses in the terms, which makes them no more "innovative" than the rest - so might as well play at "the rest" that have tried & tested software and good reputation, rather than rely on promises of innovation and a new approach to controlling "abuse" and fraud without the negative consequences for players who simply make mistakes.

Hello VMW!! I will ask Rival about this.. I thought they said
"MAY" instead of "will" so they could review the accounts specifically.
But I am no where near as informed as you regarding terms and everything else for that matter

I liked the "may" because I thought they would basically look
at a players history before yanking a win for using a Slots bonus
to play a hand blackjack or something. I just thought "may" meant
possibly and "will" meant definatley.. in my limited knowlegde
I assumed "may" was better

If I was not in the "land of the free" I would probably be at 32RED
with you.. As it is Rival casinos are great for me and my players,
but I will bring up these term issues with them. The good thing
about Rival is they are not scared to listen and change things.

The "database abuse players" is a bit funny.. I am on the list
myself, but I just go to live chat if one of my accounts
gets "reblocked" and they fix it up. Most players on that database
are there for making multiple accounts. I do know for a fact one
Rival has stopped using the "central database auto block". They said
that they care what a player does at their casino.
I am not sure if they would appreciate me saying their name here though..
I will ask them and see if they mind.

Thanks again VWM, I always look forward to your knowledge and insights!
(although you do scare me a little )

 

[TDTAT]

So does that mean that essentially, you can sign-up at all of them, play the free ND bonuses, then the deposit bonuses? And since they all have different types of bonuses, you can choose whichever ones you feel are better with better terms? With that many Rivals, that seems like a plethora of bonuses every month.

So which one does everyone play at? who has better bonus terms, etc?
(I've tried TIV and Pantasia for the ND bonuses, very impressed with both.) I'm just concerned that my only withdrawal method at a rival casino would be by ACH right now...3-4 weeks???

Hello Hippo925!
Yes.. you can claim a n/d bonus at all Rivals, then go back
and play the first deposit bonus or whatever other
bonus happens to be in the cashier.. ALL bonuses
have different terms and wagering.. AND REMEMBER most
playthrough is listed on the deposit only, not deposit plus bonus

But listen to KK also.. If you are playing the $12 free at DV, make sure
to run it to $0 before you go claim another bonus at another
Rival.. I run double promos all the time and have never had a problem,
but some players may get bonus blocked for that and then you
would have to ask support for an "account review"

As far as "ACH" they are slow on their best day. If there is
any possible way get a quicktender, eWalletXpress or eco card
account.. then your cashouts will be 48 hours as opposed
to 10-15 business days (there have been reports recently
of 6 days ACHs, but also 15 days..)

GOOD LUCK to you!!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hello VMW!! I will ask Rival about this.. I thought they said
"MAY" instead of "will" so they could review the accounts specifically.
But I am no where near as informed as you regarding terms and everything else for that matter

I liked the "may" because I thought they would basically look
at a players history before yanking a win for using a Slots bonus
to play a hand blackjack or something. I just thought "may" meant
possibly and "will" meant definatley.. in my limited knowlegde
I assumed "may" was better

If I was not in the "land of the free" I would probably be at 32RED
with you.. As it is Rival casinos are great for me and my players,
but I will bring up these term issues with them. The good thing
about Rival is they are not scared to listen and change things.

The "database abuse players" is a bit funny.. I am on the list
myself, but I just go to live chat if one of my accounts
gets "reblocked" and they fix it up. Most players on that database
are there for making multiple accounts. I do know for a fact one
Rival has stopped using the "central database auto block". They said
that they care what a player does at their casino.
I am not sure if they would appreciate me saying their name here though..
I will ask them and see if they mind.

Thanks again VWM, I always look forward to your knowledge and insights!
(although you do scare me a little )

Could you ask your contact at Rival why this new and somewhat predatory term has even been introduced, since it seems the software and central database deal with bonuses so that players should not need to worry about playing the "wrong game" if they are not completely familiar with the latest list of exclusions.

To deal with the big bet, they already have modified limiting in place through the software, and to deal with the grind tactic, surely they could just make such games count as ZERO towards WR. These measures should make this new term unnecessary, and Rival could go back to being a brand unique for not having an "FU Clause" buried in the T & C, because the software and central database prevents "abuse" before it can even be attempted.
The argument that the term will "not normally be used" is no longer any good. This is what all the other casinos used to say about their own "FU Clauses", but the forum is stuffed with complaints about the frequent and indiscriminate use of these "FU Clauses", something that has now become industry standard practice, even though 2 or 3 years ago the "standard practice" was to NOT use the "FU Clause".

 

[TDTAT]

Could you ask your contact at Rival why this new and somewhat predatory term has even been introduced, since it seems the software and central database deal with bonuses so that players should not need to worry about playing the "wrong game" if they are not completely familiar with the latest list of exclusions.

To deal with the big bet, they already have modified limiting in place through the software, and to deal with the grind tactic, surely they could just make such games count as ZERO towards WR. These measures should make this new term unnecessary, and Rival could go back to being a brand unique for not having an "FU Clause" buried in the T & C, because the software and central database prevents "abuse" before it can even be attempted.
The argument that the term will "not normally be used" is no longer any good. This is what all the other casinos used to say about their own "FU Clauses", but the forum is stuffed with complaints about the frequent and indiscriminate use of these "FU Clauses", something that has now become industry standard practice, even though 2 or 3 years ago the "standard practice" was to NOT use the "FU Clause".

Hi VWM! I will do better than that! I will ask several contacts and see
if they all give the same answer

**I have posed the question to 4 managers who I talk to the most.. I have
asked one or 2 to jump in here as I am over my head

 

[TDTAT]

Hello Everyone! I was told these terms have always
been on the homepages, but now they have been added more prominently.

I have realized I can not win here at CasinoMeister.. I am
tired of being the Rival Crusader. I think these are good casinos and I enjoy playing at them.
RobRival or someone who works for a Rival Casino
can help ANY PLAYERS that have questions. Send a Private message.

For all of those members who actually play online casinos, make your own decision. I wish you good luck.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Hello Everyone! I was told these terms have always
been on the homepages, but now they have been added more prominently.

I have realized I can not win here at CasinoMeister.. I am
tired of being the Rival Crusader. I think these are good casinos and I enjoy playing at them.
RobRival or someone who works for a Rival Casino
can help ANY PLAYERS that have questions. Send a Private message.

For all of those members who actually play online casinos, make your own decision. I wish you good luck.

Thanks,
That's fine, if the terms have ALWAYS been there, they must have predated the later software upgrades, and were probably there before they knew they were able to control "bonus abuse" through the software.
This thread seems to have started with the idea that this was a completely NEW addition to the terms, thus implying some kind of predatory attitude given how well publicised the software control over bonuses is.

What REALLY matters is how, and when, Rival actually USE this term. If it's use is confined to cases of multiple account fraud, or where players have deliberately tried to fool the central bonus control system, such as by registering minor variations of personal details at each Rival site, I can see how Rival would be able to put forward a convincing argument for the need for such a term.

If players come along complaining about confiscation, the Casinomeister community will judge Rival on how they respond.
There have been negative posts about Rival casinos in the past, including issues of non-payment, and others relating to bonuses.

Rival would do well to consider applying for Casinomeister accreditation for some of their casinos, if they are able to get a couple of their brands on the accredited list, then I expect more players would be willing to try them out.

TDTAT - You are not alone in being a Rival fan, despite the negative posts, there have been many positive posts about them too, including one about how generous their comp points schemes are, and another about how slot payouts are given for each individual slot, and that these are often higher than the online norm of around 95%. The only other site I know of that gives individual game payout expectation data is Lasseters, and that is because they have to under their online gambling licence.

 

[hippo925]

Hello Everyone! I was told these terms have always
been on the homepages, but now they have been added more prominently.

I have realized I can not win here at CasinoMeister.. I am
tired of being the Rival Crusader. I think these are good casinos and I enjoy playing at them.
RobRival or someone who works for a Rival Casino
can help ANY PLAYERS that have questions. Send a Private message.

For all of those members who actually play online casinos, make your own decision. I wish you good luck.

actually, i only see that you've been very helpful here on a wide range of topics. Far from being a "crusader," you seem to be pretty objective in all the posts i've read. But it does seem odd that you seem to have to carry all the burden for Rival here. Maybe their reps find that they don't need to post anything because you take care of it before they can? Regardless, i'm sure everyone appreciates your input!!!

 

[thisisvegas]

I will just throw in my 2 cents here. I dont know which Rival casino has these terms but I dont think it is across all of them and I do know for thisisvegas the signup bonus does restrict certain games. I know this may annoy some players but I would rather have this situation then to be another casino in the RIP section going belly up to bonus abusers.

Should any Rival casino choose to allow games like blackjack and video poker to be played for a bonus when the wagering doesnt count then I wouldnt blame that manager for adding in that term. Also the reason for the "may" as opposed to being something definite is there for a reason. That reason would be an example where a player was not a bonus abuser but played all the games, in this situation there is no need to void anything. There are many Microgaming casinos that have terms similar to this one so this term is not just isolated to Rival casinos.

If I missed anything in this thread that someone would like answered just pm me and Ill come back on. I am on vacation at the moment, yet still working daily lol, so I can only make notes to add more tasks when I return early next week.

John

 

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It does appear to be across the board for all Rivals.

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In the past the standard wording was that blackjack/video poker/etc. had lowered betting limits, and wagering in those games did not count towards WR but you were free to play them.

Those restrictions still apply but now you can't even play them at all without your winnings be voided. Obviously it's a casino's right to do this and a player's right to refuse a bonus, but the compounded restrictions seem excessive.


P.S.: Enjoy the rest of your vacation, and stop working during it!