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OPAP - any others you can still access are those the Greek government have yet to discover taking Greek players.
Greece has issued a Blacklist
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OPAP - any others you can still access are those the Greek government have yet to discover taking Greek players.
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They dont have online casino do they (slots)?
I thought there were a few others that they have 'allowed' thats why I asked. Something about some who have made another site with .gr ?
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Don't have license, and they will never get, but are considered "legal" for the time being, as part of "the plan" to drive all the big companies away in a "legitimate" way, as I described in my previous post.
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Thanks. the minfin.gr pages seem to not be loading at the moment, will check again in awhile.
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Maybe the Greek government haven't paid their broadband bill, and they have been cut off
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Maybe the Greek government haven't paid their broadband bill, and they have been cut off
Can you try the link (minfin.gr..........). Not sure if its just me who is having a problem accessing it.
I dont think guts.com is on the list yet, so that clear for now right?
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It just won't load. Maybe only Greeks are allowed to access the page.
It's down
after quick search:
www.mybet.com
www.betrebels.com
www.sportingbet.com
www.vistabet.com
www.paddypower.com
www.grandx.com
www.betshop.com
www.cashpoint.com
www.playbet.com
www.novibet.com
www.lexcasino.com
www.statusbet.com
www.jet2bet.com
www.maltagrancasino.com
www.bet-at.eu
www.goalbet.com
www.magicgame.biz
www.meridianbet.gr
www.casinostar777.com
www.championsbet.net
www.admiralbet.com
www.directslot.com
But it could be wrong! And they don't have license, and they will never get
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So, the Greek government know of these places, they are unlicensed, yet they are officially listed as "allowed" for the moment.
Yet AGAIN a breach of EU single market rules. They have blacklisted some companies, and knowingly allowed others, even if on a temporary basis. They have no basis in law for differentiating those in the blacklist and those allowed for now, not even under the recent Greek regulations that have made ALL these sites illegal.
A site on the blacklist can now also challenge the preferential treatment of those on the allowed list, asking why they cannot also be temporarily allowed on the same basis (whatever the hell that is).
According to the new Greek law, every site should be added to the blacklist as soon as the authorities become aware of it's existence and unlicensed status.
Yet AGAIN a breach of EU single market rules. They have blacklisted some companies, and knowingly allowed others, even if on a temporary basis. They have no basis in law for differentiating those in the blacklist and those allowed for now, not even under the recent Greek regulations that have made ALL these sites illegal.
A site on the blacklist can now also challenge the preferential treatment of those on the allowed list, asking why they cannot also be temporarily allowed on the same basis (whatever the hell that is).
According to the new Greek law, every site should be added to the blacklist as soon as the authorities become aware of it's existence and unlicensed status.
They knew that, so they tried to create a legal reason.
So they invited everyone to obtain legal status. The catch was that new companies didn't have to pay, but "old" companies had to pay 300 million euro.
24 new companies were created over night. And applied for legal status. And now they are legal without a license.
The big reputable companies said : "Pay you 300 million?! And you aren't going to give me license? Are you crazy? I can't do that! I won't do that!"
And the Greek government: "Ok, if you don't pay, that means you want to be illegal and I will ban you forever."
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Easy,
Form new trading subsidiary and apply for legal status without paying €300 million, no problem. Online casinos pull this stunt all the time, no one can tell with any certainty who owns what, and who is connected to whom.
Anyone for the new Greek Facing 33Black Microgaming casino
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so why issue the blacklist,... just issue a list of those allowed.
what about those that are not on either blacklist or allowed? technically we are not playing blacklisted companies right?
what about those that are not on either blacklist or allowed? technically we are not playing blacklisted companies right?
Technically you are facing a 1000 euro fine per gaming season.
"6.2.3. the participants as players, via IP operating in Greek territory, in games offered and conducted by non-licensed providers, levied a fine of one thousand (1,000) euros per gaming session. If the player is a minor, is imposed a fine of ten thousand (10,000) to every person who has legal custody."
If you don't understand, that means EVERYONE, even the "legal" ones, simply because nobody has license.
Word on the street is that the agents of the OPAP offline network are not happy. They expected much more profits after the ban. So they are going to push for immediate actions against the players, to scare people. Don't let them make an example out of you.
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It's sure to backfire. With such confusion between the blacklisted sites, and the illegal "legal" sites, both of which could in theory lead to €1000 fines for players, I can see players scared away from ALL online gambling offerings so as to be absolutely sure they have not misunderstood the difference between getting fined €1000 for playing at a blacklisted site and getting fined €1000 for playing at a site currently listed as "legal but not licensed".
Tracing the players is also going to be quite a problem because I can't see the offshore operators handing over a list of their Greek clients without a court order (which can only be obtained in Greece, and applied IN Greece), nor will evidence of a subscriber visiting a site be enough to prove that gambling took place there.
There is of course the small matter of the risk that the Greek government will have to hand all the fines back and pay damages if the EU rules that the legislation has breached EU single market rules.
The UK government has already had it's knuckles rapped over it's confiscations from people deemed to have brought back more than the suggested personal limits of alcohol and tobacco from the continent. Now they have to prove an intent to sell the goods in order to justify any action. All one has to do now is say the transit loaded with the stuff is destined for their relative's wedding reception, and there is little customs can do other than prove it's a lie.
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I dont understand this, what has happened to freedom of choice, surely its down to the individual what they spend their money on. A government should not dictate to their citizens how to spend their money, use their free time etc etc. Its a very slippery downward slope
Two more facts about Hellenic Gaming Commission (HGC).
1) They are (officially) paid by OPAP.
2) They have OPAP as their official advisor.
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Two more facts about Hellenic Gaming Commission (HGC).
1) They are (officially) paid by OPAP.
2) They have OPAP as their official advisor.
Clear conflict of interest. Maybe they think the EU court is too dumb to spot what is going on here.
Of course, should Greece decide to pull out of the EU rather than continue to do what they are told during the bailout agreements, then the HGC can do what they like without having to worry about whether it's against EU rules.
It's just going to be a matter of time, and I am sure that if Greece has to start negotiating for more concessions, the big EU based gaming operators will be lobbying for the HGC to be "slapped down" and adhere to the single market rules as part of any further agreement. They are probably doing this already, but it takes time.
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Wow!
You're an expert on Greek Law now TOO?? As well as the UK, EU, US and 58 other nations?
I'm impressed!
1) Greece can't leave euro without destroying euro and herself. The president of Germany's central bank has warned against the "recklessness" in talking up the prospect of countries having to break out of the eurozone group.
Speaking to the German monthly Capital, Bundesbank president Jens Weidmann said: "What vexes me is how recklessly people invoke such a scenario. An exit from the euro would have grave consequences for the countries affected, as well as for everyone else.
Monetary union is not some sort of club, which you can easily quit and then quickly sign up to again.
Whoever suggests it underestimates the interconnectedness of the different eurozone economies. An exit would also have far-reaching consequences for our banks and companies."
2) The bailout terms have nothing to do with fighting corruption, improving competitiveness and other beautiful things like that. They destroy Greece and euro zone.
3) I said it before. Greek government is able to do troika's will (and destroy Greece), buying time with media propaganda bought from OPAP's money.
If you care to know more about euro zone
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If Greece can't be allowed to fail, how come the Greek government just sit back and watch their country go to ruin over the bailout deal. Perhaps invoking the scenario where Greek society breaks down to the extent that an exit from the EU and Euro is inevitable would put pressure on the major players to look again at the terms of the bailout. One item of news that I have seen suggests that the medical care system in Greece has collapsed, with little or no medicines available, no different to the kinds of situation we see in "third world" countries, where appeals would be launched for aid. This is the kind of thing that could lead to a change of government, or worse. If there is no healthcare, you will end up with a sick populace which will be unable to pull the country back together, no matter how much bailout money is available.
The Greek people may lose confidence in the Euro, and may use "grey market" alternative structures in order to survive, much like the US Dollar based "shadow economies" seen in many "third world" countries. OPAP will of course be dead at this stage, as people will not have the money to take part as they have to chase down essentials like medicine in an underground "black market", the shortage of which will drive up prices, and the ultimate winners will be the criminal elements who seek to profit from the situation.
But one day later CJEU rules against national gambling market restrictions!
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One word, corruption. Bankers are in control.
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Interesting....
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with the greek crisis in fullswing, it's even more difficult/ near impossible to play online,... banks are tight, money tight,.. deposit options tight.... some fs are in order doncha think ?! lol
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Damn - I read nearly the whole thread before realising that it's 2 years old... 
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Damn - I read nearly the whole thread before realising that it's 2 years old...
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HAHA i guess I should have opened a new post about the greek crisis .... but generally things have not changed,.. only gotten worse
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Never even realised the online gambling situation was so dire in Greece.
It's one Greek tragedy after another...
It's one Greek tragedy after another...
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I get my gaming fix by vicariously watching Dunovers winners videos.. lol
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Damn - I read nearly the whole thread before realising that it's 2 years old...
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