Greece has issued a Blacklist‏

nikantw

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Our sorry excuse for a government, in another violation of our personal rights, common sense and fair business, has issued a Blacklist of online gaming providers, asking from the Bank of Greece to block any money transactions and from ISP to block access. :mad:

The list has almost if not all the accredited casinos in it. :eek:
You all get the picture, I don't know if I can or should post the 402 names of the list.
 

est129

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Location
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This seems to be the end of online gambling for Greek players and that sucks. The list was leaked yesterday, it was about to release today (31/07).

The list includes all major international sites that didn't passed out of the market (like William Hill, Ladbrokes, Betfair) from Greece. Names like Bwin, Unibet, Betvictor, Betsson, Betclic, Interwetten, Stan James, Pinnaclesports, Offsidebet and 10bet are included in the list. Bet365 is already changed their domain to bet365.gr for greek customers, and of course is not included in the list.

There have been a lot of mistakes, since those 'experts' who deal with this list, are out of knowledge. For example: They banned pokerstarsblog instead pokerstars.eu...

Rumors says that everyone in the IAC have go on holiday now and will return on August 19. If this is the case, do not expect changes and corrections to the list until then (while in Greece, this season as a known holiday and nothing works until the end of August).

No matter when the list will officially be published, it IS a hard hit and failure from the Goverment to apply the standards for online gaming. Of course, the victim is the player...

The list below:
1 http://gr.10bet.com/
2 http://www.32red.com/
3 http://www.5dimes.eu/
4 http://www.7sultans.eu/
5 http://770.com/
6 http://www.777.com/play-blackjack.html
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Mousey

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nevermind... Neuro posted as I was typing.
 

est129

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Neuro do you have a link to that list please?

The list is not yet officially published by all means, but it was leaked from the official 'under construction' website of Gaming Commission of Greece ( http://www.gamingcommission.gov.gr/ )
They published the list on their official page for about an hour and later they deleted it completely. The website says 'under construction' now.

You can find some comments, rumors on various Greek blogs, example: http://www.betblog.gr/articles.aspx?aid=26545 , or google it : https://www.google.com/search?q=Blacklist+ΕΕΕΠ
 

jetset

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Many thanks.

The Remote Gaming Association has been quick to react to the list - this was issued today, along with a copy of the black list:


RGA CHALLENGES GREEK THREAT TO INTERIM GAMBLING LICENSEES

The Remote Gambling Association has written to the Hellenic Gaming Commission to ask it to stop reviewing the licences of companies held by legitimate operators in Greece.

The trade association believes that the real reason for interviewing the operators who have been granted an interim online gambling licence is to prepare a blacklist. The RGA has argued that this is premature given that the Greek Government has not addressed the issues already raised by the European Commission in relation to its review of the gambling regulations.

The RGA thinks that the review is being undertaken with a view to creating a blacklist that will require:

1. Internet Service Providers ("ISPs") to block access to websites operated by these blacklisted gambling operators.

2. Payment and credit institutions operating in Greece (Payment Service Providers or "PSPs") to stop processing payments to and from blacklisted accounts held by gambling operators not licensed in Greece.

3. Sanctions against individual players and media owners that publicise online gambling sites on the blacklist.

The authority to draw up this blacklist is set out in draft regulations notified to the European Commission. The regulations (“Amendments to the regulatory framework regarding the games of chance market”) received a detailed opinion from both Malta and the European Commission which set out the reasons why the law was not compatible with European regulations. To date no amendments to the draft regulations have been passed by the Greek Government and therefore the concerns expressed in the detailed opinion have not been addressed.

The Hellenic Gaming Commission has drawn up a list of 402 websites to go onto a black list. The RGA believes that this is contrary to European Commission law and will open up the Greek authorities to legal challenge.

The RGA fears that the real reason for review of the licences and the creation of the blacklist is to provide the current offline monopoly, OPAP, with a de facto online betting and gaming monopoly. The RGA refutes the existence of a legal online gambling monopoly in favour of OPAP because the legal basis for the concession has not been demonstrated. Even if the concession does have a legal basis the awarding of it to OPAP has not been transparent or in accordance with European directives. The RGA believes that if OPAP were given a legal online monopoly, it would be a step back from the current situation where there is a licensing scheme in place and operating.

Clive Hawkswood, CEO of the RGA said: “There is no justification for the review of interim licences at this stage. All that the Hellenic Gaming Commission will achieve is the closure of legitimate and well regulated gambling companies. In all other jurisdictions that have sought to maintain online gambling monopolies a significant proportion of the population have chosen to bet on more attractive sites based in other jurisdictions. We have no doubt this will happen in Greece too.

It must be obvious that the Greek people, the Greek Government and the Greek licensed industry would all benefit from a competitive and successful domestic market. That is not even a possibility if interim licences are removed and OPAP is gifted an online monopoly.”
 

nikantw

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INDEPENDENT ADMINISTRATIVE AUTHORITY
Hellenic Gaming Commission (HGC)
Mavrocordatos and Acharnon square 17
10438 Athens.
Phone: 212-10-75110

PRESS RELEASE

LIST OF SITES PROVIDING GAMING AND BETTING SERVICES WITHOUT AUTHORISATION IN GREECE (BLACK LIST).

The independent administrative authority with the name Hellenic Gaming Commission (HGC), which is the public body responsible for the control and supervision of gambling services in Greece, has completed the compilation of the list (black list) sites, of whom provided non-legally, i.e. without the intended license, gaming and betting services.

This list was transmitted to 211 Internet service providers (ISPs) and credit institutions, through the Bank of Greece, in order to move forward on their own actions, as provided for in the relevant provisions.

Also, the list was transmitted to the competent prosecuting Authorities and criminal (Misdemeanors Athens Prosecutor, Financial and E-crime Prosecution Department of financial police) in connection with their own powers, since the supply of gambling without a license is a serious criminal offence referred to in article 52 of law No. 4002/2011 (s 180).

The list (black list), contains 401 sites, which were found by the HGC to offer, without permission, to the public in Greece, gambling and betting services, through checks carried out two different days at different times. Each site is checked from two different places.
The list (black list), is the first version. The list is dynamic, which means that it will be enriched by ongoing investigations.

Athens, 31 July 2013
From the Press Office of HGC
 

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I suppose the actions of a bankrupt nation would be behind this - money flowing out of Greece, and they want to keep it 'in house' so to speak. This sounds drastic, but in any other country, including the UK, the banks overnight could ban gaming transactions without any government input - all it needs is one skint punter to claim 'irresponsible lending' and a County Court judge to agree, and you could wake up next day with UKcash and other voucher-based payments your only option. We tread a very fine line too.........
 

nikantw

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I suppose the actions of a bankrupt nation would be behind this - money flowing out of Greece, and they want to keep it 'in house' so to speak. ....

You are forgetting 2 things.

a) How high corruption is in Greece.
b) Gambling is now monopolized by a private company owned by non Greek investors.

So no money "stay in". In fact up to this day there isn't the slightest check for the billions that "left" the country past 3 years. No taxes paid, no nothing.
 

vinylweatherman

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And from a small research I did yesterday, online casinos are not VPN friendly.

So if ISP's do block access, there is no way around it.

Maybe summer vacations in UK?! :D
Until the elections in October that is. :rolleyes:

The casinos intending to stay in Greece will find a way, and others will probably ban players from Greece in any case, rendering a workaround irrelevant.

The complication is that this is going to be challenged at EU level, and if the EU rules the Greek action illegal, then casinos can freely work around the restrictions whilst staying within EU laws. They could even sue the Greek government for damages if the EU overturns these measures, although it may not be worth it.

The problem for players is that this will remove the good casinos from the market, leaving the field open for the rogues who will ignore the law, and do their best to circumvent ISP and banking blocks. The US banks have struggled to prevent customers from gambling, and the Greek banks are unlikely to make a better job of it. With Greece in the EU, players could find that all they need do is exercise their right of free movement within the EU and set up a bank account in another EU country that will not block their transactions. They will only need an address in that country, even a bed and breakfast, and then set up mail forwarding. If casinos want Greek customers, they will be understanding and cooperative with such a setup.
 

jetset

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There are other complications here too:

1) The Greek licensing already issued to companies like Ladbrokes, William Hill and Betfair. They've all been asked to resubmit documentation for a hearing, and there is speculation that they may be allowed to retain licensing (the reasoning is that they could sue the hell out of the Greek government if their licensing was unilaterally removed to favour OPAP.)

2) Will Hill and Betfair have applied to operate OPAP, clearly to highlight the very questionable manner in which this whole affair is being handled, and to provide ammunition for the European Commission on the exclusive elements in the deal.

3) The EC has already warned the Greek government that it retains the right to instigate a European Court of Justice action despite the expiry of the recent standstill period.

It looks like a real bugger's muddle....
 

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Missed the target somewhat if you can still log in and play.

With the state of the economy in Greece a block may have been put in place while the government bets the citizens monies and taxes on red in roulette, cross your fingers for an unbelievable good run of 1,000 million times stake left by a waiter serving for a government in a country I believe maybe called Germany.
 
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nikantw

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With the state of the economy in Greece a block may have been put in place while the government bets the citizens monies and taxes on red in roulette, cross your fingers for an unbelievable good run of 1,000 million times stake left by a waiter serving for a government in a country I believe maybe called Germany.

I do cross my fingers, for a new government that will serve the people of Greece and Europe.
 

nikantw

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Missed the target somewhat if you can still log in and play.

Everything that starts with 32red... is blocked. you can understand why. ISP's don't want to do it but don't have a choice at the moment.

I hear that a new EU gambling legislation is coming in a year or so.
Elections too.
Hopefully, this will soon be just a bad dream....
 

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any other casinos being blocked in Greece? i'm not from there but of course, i do want to know what's happening as it may affect with the online casinos here in UK.
 

nikantw

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any other casinos being blocked in Greece? i'm not from there but of course, i do want to know what's happening as it may affect with the online casinos here in UK.

Everything online is or will be blocked.

The official "reasoning" behind this is:

"Online betting is forbidden because OPAP SA has paid (i.e. peanuts) for the offline sports betting rights and even though OPAP SA doesn't have the online rights, we don't want competition reducing OPAP's profits.
Casino games are extremely addictive, so for public safety reasons we don't want people, especially underage, to have unlimited access from the comfort of their homes. So we forbid them (i.e. OPAP doesn't have the rights of casino games, but has some VLT''s and a few other lotteries, some with drawings every 5 min. So with RTP of 65% and 24/7 advertisement on all media, we would really love it if all Greeks lose all their money very very fast on OPAP!!)
But we promise to grand license for online poker, sometime in the future (i.e. probably only one for OPAP)"

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vinylweatherman

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Everything online is or will be blocked.

The official "reasoning" behind this is:

"Online betting is forbidden because OPAP SA has paid (i.e. peanuts) for the offline sports betting rights and even though OPAP SA doesn't have the online rights, we don't want competition reducing OPAP's profits.
Casino games are extremely addictive, so for public safety reasons we don't want people, especially underage, to have unlimited access from the comfort of their homes. So we forbid them (i.e. OPAP doesn't have the rights of casino games, but has some VLT''s and a few other lotteries, some with drawings every 5 min. So with RTP of 65% and 24/7 advertisement on all media, we would really love it if all Greeks lose all their money very very fast on OPAP!!)
But we promise to grand license for online poker, sometime in the future (i.e. probably only one for OPAP)"

You can find this here:

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That's the bit that will get them into trouble with the EU, it's blatant protectionism of one company by the exclusion by law of competition.

Their public safety reasoning might fare better, but it would have to be applied across the board to ALL operators, including OPAP.

Even more interesting is one of their other objections, namely that it's games that use an RNG that are the problem, implying that so called "rigged" games might be considered OK. It could be a fudge to justify allowing poker, but the cards themselves are still drawn by an RNG. Poker and lotteries can be just as addictive, so they would have to ban ALL gambling done from home, and insist that ALL gambling takes place at physical venues, which will dent the potential profits of OPAP.

Determined operators, mostly the rogues, will circumvent the blocks, maybe even telling player to go ahead and use VPNs to get around them. Money will still flow out of Greece, but is less likely to flow back as rogue casinos tend to rip off players who win.

If there was genuine concern for the risk to the public, the law would insist on a high RTP and strict limits on maximum stakes and daily losses for licensed operators. They could even levy a tax as the UK have decided to do.

This is probably the end of Microgaming for Greek players though, as they will not allow operators to break specific laws in any given country. We have seen this before when Microgaming arbitrarily shut Spanish players out of the network due to new Spanish laws, catching operators off guard and with a mess to clear up.

We just need a big operator to take Greece to the EU courts, and we may find a relaxation of the rules to fit in with EU single market rules. A big operator probably has more money to spend on lawyers than the Greek government;)
 

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a webproxy could be used in greece i would get around and online banking in another country:)
 

nikantw

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This is probably the end of Microgaming for Greek players though, as they will not allow operators to break specific laws in any given country. We have seen this before when Microgaming arbitrarily shut Spanish players out of the network due to new Spanish laws, catching operators off guard and with a mess to clear up.

We just need a big operator to take Greece to the EU courts, and we may find a relaxation of the rules to fit in with EU single market rules.

I believe they do take legal action, RGA and a few big operators.
It would be premature for MG to shut us down. After all, the legislation itself is "illegal" according to EU law.
 

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I believe they do take legal action, RGA and a few big operators.
It would be premature for MG to shut us down. After all, the legislation itself is "illegal" according to EU law.

This is the funniest thread I've ever read here, now don't get me wrong, I'm all for greater, even TOTAL European integration - at least, I was, until the dimwits in Brussels fell for the American line that it was a "fantastic" idea to try and integrate the former Communist-Bloc states into the family.
Of course, now the whole thing is a mess and we face complete economic stagnation - which is what the US Government wanted all along, of course.
But anyway, I digress.....
What really cracks me up is that Greece seemingly cannot read the writing on the wall, sprayed in two metre high letters which says "Dump the EU and go back to the Drachma".
Instead, they insist on electing a sucession of mealy-mouthed idiots who delude themselves into thinking the situation can be "rectified".
The EU is finished. Uncle Scam's grand plot has, unfortunately for Western Europe, worked.
Time to check out, and rediscover your national identities again.

Here endeth the lesson.
 
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