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So i cashed out $1,200, played $200 at half-stake, then upped it to double in a good run doubled my stake and went to play out on Wizards. Ooh my word...another $1,600 

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Simmo! said:Ooh my word...another $1,600![]()
Bruce Hamilton said:That's an impressive screen, but the other one should be in the "screenshots that suck" thread. 1400+ spins for five scatters and only an $800 win ain't right.

and in awe..... :notworthy gaputernut said:Ok, I am usually the first to rant and rave about new slots.....but...The GG games i can hit sh** on...lol
I see all these posts and think...hummmm...i will try again....just to get Nothing again.
I have had one good hit...on totem treasure, 4 eagles 3 times.
so i am both confused......and in awe..... :notworthy
WTG folks....
Now...they are going to introduce another one end of july. but thank goodness they are also going to get new reg. 9 line bonus ones too...
whoohooo
Bruce Hamilton said:That's an impressive screen, but the other one should be in the "screenshots that suck" thread. 1400+ spins for five scatters and only an $800 win ain't right.
..and i have a post on their new one too.jamiester said:Five scatters that pay 400X (or 320X counting the goose bet) shouldn't come up much more often than once every 40,000 spins. And that would be a 1% return at that level, which is a huge percentage for such a big hit. On most machines, I think, a 400X total bet hit would come up less than once in 100,000 spins and that would still be 0.4%, still quite large. The fact that we are seeing so many posted here is a little disconcerting. They can't be giving out all of these big prizes without nailing you on the little prizes. You guys must be getting LOOOOONG streaks of just about nothing in between these big hits, no?
Keep feeding it for me while I'm away guys 
It can take several hours, but Totem Treasure is the most profitable MG slot if you play it right IMHO.Simmo! said:That explains why i had another 5 scatters today at 2c = $1600Keep feeding it for me while I'm away guys
Seriously though - i think you're looking for the wrong things here. Unlike other slots, the feature isn't really the payday, its the clue! Re-read Spear's post and use the increase/decrease method (and a lot of patience!) in conjunction with thisIt can take several hours, but Totem Treasure is the most profitable MG slot if you play it right IMHO.
n1stunnor said:Would love to hear some of the amounts won when picking the cash instead of the egg,and bet amounts.
jamiester said:I would love to see some stats if you have them that show a relationship between outcomes, but until I see such stats, I feel I must warn you and other readers not to trust any "systems" to much.


Simmo! said:5 more scatters this morning. My $200 is now $3k.

Bruce Hamilton said:You'd better be carefull before you get yourself banned for being too damn lucky.![]()

Simmo! said:...cant see they'd ever ban you for being an "advantage player"...
Bruce Hamilton said:Read Butlebre's thread re: Connect to Casino, they did just that! He had withdrawn over $10,000 with deposits under $2,000...

vgyhnji said:when the goose with the choice of cards gave free spins and 6x multiplier....
Thats when the 120000 coin win fell, frankly during (or rather at the end of) a huge losing run - certainly not flagged up by any previous wins etc.

Bruce Hamilton said:Jamiester, look at the screenies Simmo has posted, he doesn't need stats. :notworthy
spearmaster said:There is no relationship between spins, for sure. There is possibly, however, a correlation between the frequency of good spins and the chances of hitting a big win.
Simmo! said:Yes thats good advice. However, i believe MG slots are "weighted" and that in the case of GG, the weight is adjusted in real-time albeit with a normal RNG. I'll pass on the collecting/posting stats - i'm happy with my intuition
PS. Just noticed there are 2 scatter symbols in TT on reels 1 & 2.
jamiester said:Could you tell me what you mean by "weighted" and "weight adjusted in real-time" and furthermore, how this can be done with a normal RNG. I don't understand how this is possible, but of course I am not sure on what you mean by your terms either. This is a new idea to me....

Simmo! said:Ok, well take a progressive like Tunzamunni for example. A 3 line slot, 30 symbols per reel. By that reckoning, you should get the jackpot lineup once every 30x30x30 spins (2700). At 25p a bet that means for every $675 you stake, you should win the jackpot which starts at $20,000 and often goes up beyond $50,000.
Not logical, unless the symbols are weighted, a normal practice in "pub based" (real world) fruit mahines. On Tunzamunni, you'd need 90 symbols (minimum), assuming one jackpot symbol per reel, per reel to get the stats right![]()
Simmo! said:So there's obvious;ly another factor built into MG slots. My guess is symbol weighting.
jamiester said:and you say they are weighting in real time: You think they are weighting the animated reels differently according to past play? Or are they just changing the weights randomly? And why would they bother? If true, there is no way in the world that that is fair or random: a machine that changes the odds on you constantly?
Its just a hunch.
How others play it is entirely up to them. All i can say is that 7 times out of 10, i can spot a decent win coming a mile off, as i think Spear probably can too
Simmo! said:Randomness - depends on what you term random. If a casino says for every 100 people that come thru our doors, we'll make one rich at random, do you care how? The fact a slot decides how to deliver its wins will ultimately be based on its overall "average payout" setting. If its 95%, its still randomly giving the wins to someone at random.
First, I understand weighting. But video slots don't need to weight their symbols because their reels aren't physical. They can simply display the virtual reels (the virtual reel is the physical (or in this case animated) reel multiplied by the weighting of each position)). I am not saying some video slots don't use weighting, only that is unnecessary. For example, in Aceclub's Predator, the first reel has 31 postions, the 2nd has 33, the 3rd 33, the 4th 47 and the 5th 48. On each of these of reels many symbols are repeated in multiple positions, so they are in effect weighted, but each position 1 thru 31 (or 33 or 48) should have an equal chance of occurring.spearmaster said:The machine, however, is still considered random, because despite the weighting as described above, the RNG still generates a random number which is in no way affected by any external mechanism.
Now - getting back to the streakiness - you can take my description above, and then add a roller coaster (sine wave) to it. Basically, this means that the weightings change with every spin of the slots. But the net result will still approach the theoretical payback because a sine wave has two equal phases. If the ('scuse my lack of knowledge of mathematical terms) wave has a long sweeping downward curve, it will have an equivalent long sweeping upward curve. The only thing that can be varied with the sine wave is the cycle during which both phases must be completed.
Hence my post way earlier in this thread - a higher frequency of wins will probably indicate which side of the curve you are currently on - and naturally, the more frequent the wins the higher the likelihood of hitting a bigger win.
There is probably a third variable with regards to progressive jackpots - imagine the value of a jackpot serving as a variable - the higher it gets, the higher the likelihood of it being hit. The question is, is this variable modified by a fixed or variable "weight"? If fixed, a casino could theoretically set this weight very low so as to slowly increase the likelihood of the jackpot being hit, meaning a better chance of a high jackpot. Or they could make this weight very high, meaning more frequent jackpots.
Can this be used to your advantage? *MAYBE*. You will never know for sure which part of the wave you are in, and you will never know what the length of the cycle is. You can, perhaps, notice an increase in frequency, and raise your bet hoping that you're in the middle of a long cycle, and on the positive side of it. Or you could play faster if you are not using autoplay.

jamiester said:I can spot a big win a mile off as well: that's usually how far away it is![]()


spearmaster said:Let me put it this way.
My imagination is quite vivid. But I am convinced of my theory and whether you believe it or not is up to you - but you are getting carried away with your perfect world of randomness, because video slots are not 100% free-wheeling, random machines and will never be.
If you would like to rebutt in the future, perhaps you should come up with some material to show me that I am wrong, rather than asking me to support a "theory" that I have proposed and already said that said theory should be taken with a grain of salt.

Simmo! said:
No offense but this whole "what constitutes random" debate can never be resolved as its just opinion, like mine and Spears Goose theories. Just opinion![]()
spearmaster said:Let me point to you a page by my friend the Wizard of Odds, from whom at least some of my information was obtained.
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While his information refers to slots in land-based casinos, I will say with a reasonable amount of certainty that at least one online manufacturer's slots follow the descriptions that you will see here.
The Wizard is far more expert than I ever will be in any form of mathematical probability or gambling-related information, most certainly including slots (which he repeatedly tells me not to play except for a very few variations).


Webzcas said:Is your winning streak ever going to stop Simmo!!??![]()






irebal said:Have any of you managed to get the 50 spins at 3x yet? I've had 50 spins quite a few times, but all I can manage for the multiplier is 1x. I would just like to hear that it can be done![]()
irebal said:Another 1600...i'm up a ton this month on the goose...all at 32red![]()
I keep waiting for it to go cold.
Now if i just could get the dang 50 spins at 3x![]()
vgyhnji said:Simmo
On entering Spin Palace casino the message board there tells of a player having recently won a $10K jackpot at GG Totem Treasure.
Do you know what combination/coinage etc this jackpot might refer to?


