General Election 2024 Thread

[Webzcas]

Isabel Oakeshott on point here.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yes I do, as I was watching it being live streamed at the time, where thuggish morons were setting fire to a commercial refuse bin and trying to get it in through the emergency exit of the hotel.

The man, Peter Lynch was NOT involved in this. He also was not involved in any violence, something that the court also confirmed in his case. Yet he obviously was coerced into pleading guilty.

This aside, yesterday they released over 1,000 career criminals, the majority of which I daresay have committed far worse offences than yelling "scum" at riot police. Indeed one such criminal who was a recipient of this early release, was picked up by his mates driving a Bentley and also a Mercedes G Wagon.

Just so our two tier judicial and policing system can lock up protestors such as Peter Lynch whose only crime was 'stupidity' in being in the wrong place at the wrong time, hurling hurty words at riot police.

The government has got his death on their hands.

#TwoTierKeir

Or he could have just not, y'know, gone to a riot and participated in it. According to the laws of the land, many of which are really quite illiberal, and have been passed by both successive Tory and Labour governments, you can get charged for all sorts of things that might not seem entirely fair. (The miners in the 1980s who were duffed up by the police and fitted up for all sorts of crimes have some strong opinions on this stuff.)

The early release of prisoners on licence (they're released subject to a load of conditions and can be recalled to prison for all sorts of reasons) is clearly far from ideal, and again, is the end result of the long-standing failed policy of mass incarceration and specifically on the Tory government's 14 year watch, not building anywhere near enough prisons to support it.

This is what happens when a government spends fourteen years systematically underfunding, undermining, denigrating and destroying the key institutions of society.

As for the Oakesshott video, it's the poisonous bilge that her and her ilk dribble out via their various media outlets that leads blokes like Peter Lynch to face off against the police waving a placard covered in all this shite.

 

[Webzcas]

Sorry your last paragraph proves you have no idea what you are talking about.

We are currently enduring a two tier policing and judicial system and your words support it.

Case in point, no action by the CPS against those thugs that broke a policewoman’s nose at Manchester airport.

 

[itsme123]

Another "hero" born and bred in the good old UK..... I would take 100 legal immigrants above this scum any day.

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[dunover]

Another "hero" born and bred in the good old UK..... I would take 100 legal immigrants above this scum any day.

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No, you wouldn't. WE, society collectively would take them and subsidise them. Then live through the fallout later on.

Or do you intend to personally act as a guarantor or employer for your metaphorical new friends?

 

[itsme123]

No, you wouldn't. WE, society collectively would take them and subsidise them. Then live through the fallout later on.

Or do you intend to personally act as a guarantor or employer for your metaphorical new friends?

Yes I would , this disgusting piece of shite should be shipped out to Rwanda . He attacked someone who has been granted leave to stay therefore he’s legal , while scumbag stated he went to attack anyone .
Must say your showing your true colours by condoning the actions of Hitler worshipping scum.

 

[itsme123]

No, you wouldn't. WE, society collectively would take them and subsidise them. Then live through the fallout later on.

Or do you intend to personally act as a guarantor or employer for your metaphorical new friends?

And I can almost guarantee the immigrant he attacked will make more of a contribution to society than that scum ever did .

 

[mcgameboy]

No, you wouldn't. WE, society collectively would take them and subsidise them. Then live through the fallout later on.

Or do you intend to personally act as a guarantor or employer for your metaphorical new friends?

You really think these immigrants intend to get JOBS?



Nah. They will engage in premeditated murder instead, all because of some biscuits....

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[itsme123]

Labour out to kill growth in business. Raise their overheads and who's going to pay for it?
Shareholders? No
Business leaders? No
Normal employees? Yes, because there will have to be costs cut somewhere to pay for the rise in overheads so it will a freeze on recruitment, "efficiencies" and the ordinary working man will pay for it in the end.
5 more years of this to come, pensions will be decimated next as it will be an easy steal for Labour.

 

[dunover]

Labour out to kill growth in business. Raise their overheads and who's going to pay for it?
Shareholders? No
Business leaders? No
Normal employees? Yes, because there will have to be costs cut somewhere to pay for the rise in overheads so it will a freeze on recruitment, "efficiencies" and the ordinary working man will pay for it in the end.
5 more years of this to come, pensions will be decimated next as it will be an easy steal for Labour.

There you go.
The amount raised is, over the term of a 5-year Parliament, approximately equivalent to the (est.) £2-4bn annual cost of accommodating 25-30,000 invaders each year.

(est. because the correct accurate figure is not being released under FoI requests as it's considered too sensitive.)

The first symptom of a failed state is not being able to control its borders. That's your price. The penny is finally dropping for you!

 

[itsme123]

There you go.
The amount raised is, over the term of a 5-year Parliament, approximately equivalent to the (est.) £2-4bn annual cost of accommodating 25-30,000 invaders each year.

(est. because the correct accurate figure is not being released under FoI requests as it's considered too sensitive.)

The first symptom of a failed state is not being able to control its borders. That's your price. The penny is finally dropping for you!

What has this got to do with immigrants? So you think immigration shouldnt happen? Have you ever tried to recruit any workers in this day and age. You are talking absolute nonsense and are sitting waving your St George's flag like someone from Dad's Army.
Come into the real world and experience life without the rose tinted glasses.

Just to add, this is the real Brexit dividend. I have been very ambivalent towards it but its proving to be an unmitigated disaster and will only get worse.

 

[geordiecolin]

Political prisoners being made an example of

 

[Kroffe]

Political prisoners being made an example of

 

[mack341]

He's a goner surely, apparently he was threatened, well then you dial the police and tell them you're an MP and have been threatened by a member of the public. You don't start street fighting late at night like a yobbo.

 

[geordiecolin]

I posted the wrong clip

 

[Kroffe]

I posted the wrong clip

I figured, thats why i posted 'Link'

 

[mack341]

Haha he's got some front:

Posting on his own Facebook page on Saturday, the 55-year-old backbencher said: "Last night I was involved in an incident that took place after I felt threatened following an evening out with friends.

"This morning I contacted Cheshire Police myself to report what happened.

"I will not be making any further public comment but will of course cooperate with any inquiries if required by Cheshire Police."

 

[geordiecolin]

He's a goner surely, apparently he was threatened, well then you dial the police and tell them you're an MP and have been threatened by a member of the public. You don't start street fighting late at night like a yobbo.

If you get over two years for hurty words and shouting at a dog then how long should that twat get?

 

[mcgameboy]

He's a goner surely, apparently he was threatened, well then you dial the police and tell them you're an MP and have been threatened by a member of the public. You don't start street fighting late at night like a yobbo.

Nothing will be done. He is a member of the protected class.

If he has to resort to it, he will play the victim and if anything, HE will end up getting compensated (you know, for things like "negative impact on his mental health" ).

Meanwhile, the guy he sucker punched will be lucky to get compensated to the tune of anything above 50 quid.

 

[mack341]

If you get over two years for hurty words and shouting at a dog then how long should that twat get?

Haha yeah, if he gets off totally then it's more evidence of two tier kier!

It's a tricky one, Prescott smacked someone but didn't put the boot in with the other guy down.

I think there was another MP who beat somebody up, the name Craig comes to mind. Edit: nope it was Eric Joyce

 

[mack341]

Nothing will be done. He is a member of the protected class.

If he has to resort to it, he will play the victim and if anything, HE will end up getting compensated (you know, for things like "negative impact on his mental health" ).

Meanwhile, the guy he sucker punched will be lucky to get compensated to the tune of anything above 50 quid.

Yep he's already reading from that book.

There's a political cost to the system though if they do, and two tier is about to drop a painful budget as well.

 

[itsme123]

Nothing will be done. He is a member of the protected class.

If he has to resort to it, he will play the victim and if anything, HE will end up getting compensated (you know, for things like "negative impact on his mental health" ).

Meanwhile, the guy he sucker punched will be lucky to get compensated to the tune of anything above 50 quid.

Its at a minimum assault, potentially ABH, has to get at least a suspended sentence, if he doesnt then Keir has a lot to answer for and if the Tories sit back and do nothing for the next 4.5 years they will have a landslide.
He can't use any defence of self defence as the CCTV shows him hitting him on the ground and stooping over him. I will be very surprised if he doesnt resign in the next few days as up to now Stamer has tried to show himself as a tough boss who wants everyone to stay in line.

 

[mack341]

Not prejudging the whole situation, but this tweet doesn't look like it's going to age well:

 

[dunover]

Starmer is to remove the Tories' £2 bus fare cap that helps the poorest, rural communities and those who cannot afford cars. Raising it by 50% to £3.

What with Reeves' tax grab we are heading for financial Starmergeddon!

 

[geordiecolin]

Starmer is to remove the Tories' £2 bus fare cap that helps the poorest, rural communities and those who cannot afford cars. Raising it by 50% to £3.

What with Reeves' tax grab we are heading for financial Starmergeddon!

The beginning of cutting off rural folk from life alongside killing off farming income via taxing and funding changes. Those who live rurally often rely on their income from the farming community or an ability to travel.
These new 1.5 million cities will be geared to being 15 minute cities.
Drip drip drip the changes so most people who are too dumb hardly notice

 

[mack341]

I do get the feeling how much of all this lack of money is self-inflicted due to ideology.

And when we build something like HS2 it costs far more than any other country has spent creating a similar fast train link.

I think possibly we've become too reliant on private firms to carry out tasks (often foreign engineering firms so that's money leaving the country), you then create two levels of management that have to be paid for, and delays mean more govt money going out, so what happens delays.

Govt is often the chief/main customer of some firms, I don't remember that before, look at Bill gates he's all about getting involved in health systems and agriculture, that's where the govt ultimately sign the cheques not the general public.

 

[mack341]

 

[mack341]

 

[geordiecolin]

The lying bastids must have knew very early on that he was radicalised yet presented this bullshit to the public.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Initial reaction to the budget is it's not a bad effort. Bulk of the burden falling on bigger business and wealthy individuals, more borrowing for investment without the bond markets telling them to fuck off - it all seems quite competent.

Given the very limited room for manoeuvre they'd been left by 14 years of Tory corruption and catastrophe, culminating of course in the biblical economic self-immolation of Brexit, this is definitely a step in the right direction.

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that GB PLC needs investment, and a lot of it, the money had to come from somewhere, this is a solid effort at threading a very narrow needle.

 

[thr0b]

Aye, all seems fairly sensible to me. Some businesses will find the increased NI difficult, though it’s not a HUGE increase. In effect, no change to what people receive in their pay packet, though it may mean some businesses are more reluctant to increase pay.

The business rates relief is very good, and well-needed. So many viable businesses struggle due to business rates, so smaller businesses will do well from this.

Not a lot to complain about in that really.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Immediate financial analysis shows that all but the top 10% of households are going to be better off as a result of this budget.

If you're in the top 10% then congratulations, you'll still be doing perfectly well for yourselves, just a bit less so than you are now. (Like, 1% or less worse off.)

Market reactions are positive, with the yield on UK 10 year gilts down a bit (good), the pound up a bit against the dollar, and FTSE 250 up a bit (both good).

The rich have made out like bandits under the Tories, everyone else got shafted. This budget redresses the balance a bit. Make no mistake, the rich will still be rich, this isn't even remotely starting to take any serious amount of their wealth from them, but does mange to help out the majority of people in the UK.

There were no perfect answers here, it's hard to overstate how much the Tories fucked things, this is a rational response that balances not spooking the financial markets with still managing to invest in the country and its people. (Which is what we all wanted, right?)

 

[slot_zombie]

Makes me laugh the £2.20 per 10ml tax on vaping liquid. Everyone will just mix their own at home, the ingredients are common.

And more stupid hikes on wine and spirits.. same comment as above.. Penny off a pint in a pub? Don't make me laugh, like that is even going to be noticed, or passed on. Right.

 

[Webzcas]

Makes me laugh the £2.20 per 10ml tax on vaping liquid. Everyone will just mix their own at home, the ingredients are common.

And more stupid hikes on wine and spirits.. same comment as above.. Penny off a pint in a pub? Don't make me laugh, like that is even going to be noticed, or passed on. Right.

Yep this. I used to make my own eliquid in 2016 when the TPD came in.

I can still get hold of a litre of 72mg Nicotine for around £60 - That is enough to make 2 years worth of eliquid at 6mg or 3mg strength. PG and VG relatively cheap. The biggest outlay is for the concentrates.

There are enough mix calculators on the net, so even those who don't know what they are doing can follow.

Plus cost wise, works out around 50 pence per 10ml bottle and there are some brilliant concentrates available.

This is just a case of replacing the lost revenue derived from taxing smoking, as many like myself kicked cigarettes to the side, thanks to vaping.

 

[thr0b]

Makes me laugh the £2.20 per 10ml tax on vaping liquid. Everyone will just mix their own at home, the ingredients are common.

And more stupid hikes on wine and spirits.. same comment as above.. Penny off a pint in a pub? Don't make me laugh, like that is even going to be noticed, or passed on. Right.

Wines and spirits - would suspect more of those come from abroad than lagers etc, so makes more sense to tax them more.

And no, a penny off a pint might not get passed on - it just means a tiny amount more can be kept as profit for the publicans, which might just help keep some pubs open.

 

[goatwack]

Yes indeed, a Budget to remember as the Party of Envy stuck to their pledge of pilfering as much of the country's wealth as is feasible in their first of five Budgets.

Doing that commie thing of shaming entrepreneurship, aspiration and self-betterment, Thieves wasted no time in plundering employers' NIs and slapping 20% VAT on private school fees for anyone that dare consider sending their kids to have a better education and subsequent life chances, many of whom aren't even remotely rich and can now kiss that dream goodbye. In line, comrades!

Managing to piss off potential investors, corporations and the less fortunate all in one swoop, the Wicked Witch of the West even had sausage-negotiator Starmer shifting awkwardly during her Budget blitz, as the 'Party of the people' hamstrung smokers into coughing up for her inadequacies, all the while as pensioners get to look forward to freezing to death, always a laugh in anyone's books.

Couple that with workers' rights now far outstripping that of employers', it's going to be a swell time as the latter enact their retribution by hiring less people and effectively stomping any delusions of financial growth Labour may have dreamt up in their utopian bubble, with an increased minimum wage somehow meant to hoodwink the populace!

There is nothing of benefit to anyone in this Budget, other than to of course line the pockets of Labour in pursuit of their ideological vanity projects that no one asked for, let alone needs.

Somewhat amusing hearing her speak of ten-year plans and post-2028/29 mandates when it's quite apparent that they've fumbled the football the first chance they had, and that they'd be lucky to even see out the five years. Yet God loves a trier, and the gulf between being in Opposition and running the country clearly above their pay grade.

Further illustrating just why the country opted for fourteen years of Conservative government over anything Labour has to offer, and why this current shower - by far the most Communist rag-tag bunch of incompetents ever trotted out by Labour - are a curt reminder to the British public that cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't always a good option. But for now, let's enjoy the clown show y'all

 

[Webzcas]

Nail on Head - Party of Envy indeed.

 

[Webzcas]

@goatwack you have pretty much covered everything I took away from that budget.

Bravo Sir

 

[dunover]

Makes me laugh the £2.20 per 10ml tax on vaping liquid. Everyone will just mix their own at home, the ingredients are common.

And more stupid hikes on wine and spirits.. same comment as above.. Penny off a pint in a pub? Don't make me laugh, like that is even going to be noticed, or passed on. Right.

Is that real? Taxing vaping juice? Fuck me, they really are a bunch of c*nts.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes indeed, a Budget to remember as the Party of Envy stuck to their pledge of pilfering as much of the country's wealth as is feasible in their first of five Budgets.

Doing that commie thing of shaming entrepreneurship, aspiration and self-betterment, Thieves wasted no time in plundering employers' NIs and slapping 20% VAT on private school fees for anyone that dare consider sending their kids to have a better education and subsequent life chances, many of whom aren't even remotely rich and can now kiss that dream goodbye. In line, comrades!

Managing to piss off potential investors, corporations and the less fortunate all in one swoop, the Wicked Witch of the West even had sausage-negotiator Starmer shifting awkwardly during her Budget blitz, as the 'Party of the people' hamstrung smokers into coughing up for her inadequacies, all the while as pensioners get to look forward to freezing to death, always a laugh in anyone's books.

Couple that with workers' rights now far outstripping that of employers', it's going to be a swell time as the latter enact their retribution by hiring less people and effectively stomping any delusions of financial growth Labour may have dreamt up in their utopian bubble, with an increased minimum wage somehow meant to hoodwink the populace!

There is nothing of benefit to anyone in this Budget, other than to of course line the pockets of Labour in pursuit of their ideological vanity projects that no one asked for, let alone needs.

Somewhat amusing hearing her speak of ten-year plans and post-2028/29 mandates when it's quite apparent that they've fumbled the football the first chance they had, and that they'd be lucky to even see out the five years. Yet God loves a trier, and the gulf between being in Opposition and running the country clearly above their pay grade.

Further illustrating just why the country opted for fourteen years of Conservative government over anything Labour has to offer, and why this current shower - by far the most Communist rag-tag bunch of incompetents ever trotted out by Labour - are a curt reminder to the British public that cutting off your nose to spite your face isn't always a good option. But for now, let's enjoy the clown show y'all

Marvellous review which I suspect you wrote with a sneer. May I suggest you reward yourself with some research this evening into journalistic prowess by visiting Raymond's Review Bar which is just a nice stroll away from the meister meet venue

 

[goatwack]

Marvellous review which I suspect you wrote with a sneer. May I suggest you reward yourself with some research this evening into journalistic prowess by visiting Raymond's Review Bar which is just a nice stroll away from the meister meet venue

Definitely not until I've visited The Blue Oyster first!

 

[itsme123]

Initial reaction to the budget is it's not a bad effort. Bulk of the burden falling on bigger business and wealthy individuals, more borrowing for investment without the bond markets telling them to fuck off - it all seems quite competent.

Given the very limited room for manoeuvre they'd been left by 14 years of Tory corruption and catastrophe, culminating of course in the biblical economic self-immolation of Brexit, this is definitely a step in the right direction.

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue that GB PLC needs investment, and a lot of it, the money had to come from somewhere, this is a solid effort at threading a very narrow needle.

Its an awful budget for all the small businesses in the UK that employ around 1/3rd of all working people. The small businesses that have it tight already now have to fork out more with the increase of NI and the reduction of the threshold.
Currently if he pays £12,000 per annum to an employee he pays around £360 in NI contributions for him, now he's going to have to pay now hes paying more than double.
Who's going to pay? Joe public when prices go up again, but sure they save 1p on their pint of beer so all is good....

 

[goatwack]

Is that real? Taxing vaping juice? Fuck me, they really are a bunch of c*nts.

*Notwithstanding the fact that in all its forms and guises, eliquids are just glorified propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerine with added nicotine.

And for argument's sake, the VG variant, oft-used to elicit huge clouds of vapour and to impress one's peers, irritate fellow bus-stop standers and generally favoured by the yoof, of which most will have never actually smoked nor are likely to, the nicotine content is around 3ml, so in effect 'negligible'.

I wonder if those ejuices that have not been nicotine-laden and are also favoured by many vapers will be subject to taxation? Or will they be exempt?

 

[geordiecolin]

Definitely not until I've visited The Blue Oyster first!

If you go to the Blue Oyster first folk will get confused about where the fishy smell is coming from in Raymonds

 

[slot_zombie]

Is that real? Taxing vaping juice? Fuck me, they really are a bunch of c*nts.

Considering 10ml of juice is around £1-£2.50 depending on brand, this is essentially a 100%-250% tax.

Easily got around though.

 

[Webzcas]

*Notwithstanding the fact that in all its forms and guises, eliquids are just glorified propylene glycol and/or vegetable glycerine with added nicotine.

And for argument's sake, the VG variant, oft-used to elicit huge clouds of vapour and to impress one's peers, irritate fellow bus-stop standers and generally favoured by the yoof, of which most will have never actually smoked nor are likely to, the nicotine content is around 3ml, so in effect 'negligible'.

I wonder if those ejuices that have not been nicotine-laden and are also favoured by many vapers will be subject to taxation? Or will they be exempt?

It will come into force in 2026 - By then I will be making my own. Unless they tax propylene glycol and vegetable glycerine, I should be good. Already have a source for the nicotine, which if kept in a fridge should last the 2 years or so it will take to run out

 

[Webzcas]

Considering 10ml of juice is around £1-£2.50 depending on brand, this is essentially a 100%-250% tax.

Easily got around though.

Got to claw back the loss in tax revenue from people giving up smoking.

 

[geordiecolin]

I am quite pissed off that this government, the police and the media have colluded to wait 3 months before releasing the fact that this murdering bastard palmed off as Welshman was radicalised.
The papers showing either a picture of him as a child or a drawing of him hiding his beard with a covering.
Right before budget day so the news does not get focused on all of the questions that would otherwise be expected.
Starmer is said to have known within hours/a day all of this information yet went ahead in showing the public that you will be crushed for shouting hurty words to a police dog.
We citizens are constantly manipulated by them all and these *snip* are protected at every turn.
They could have added these new charges 3 months ago but manipulated it to come out when it was a great time to give bad news

Until the powers that be decide to change things up.

 

[Webzcas]

Colin, before commenting any more on this particular case, you may want to watch this

 

[slot_zombie]

Got to claw back the loss in tax revenue from people giving up smoking.

Actually thinking about it further, the tax will make a 100ml bottle currently selling for around £12.. well over £30.

I see a massive black market opportunity here.