General Election 2024 Thread

My daughter has just sent me this from where she lives and she is so stressed out. There needs to be a cross party commission organised with the inclusion of the heads of all those concerned to stop the violence and intimidation :(

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@dunover this is not you organising this is it? ;-) :D
LOL no. First I've heard of. We don't really suffer from multiculturalism around here so I can't see the point anyway.
 
Yes. So where will it come from? The UK. Try selling that pup to the Manx population while telling them it will consist of Albanians, Syrians, Afghans, Somalis, Eritreans, Vietnamese, Bangladeshis etc. If Tynwald was serious, you could start with a safe haven for the 20-30,000 healthy young men who invade us from those places via France each year, problem sorted for the UK and IoM simultaneously!! A bit of joined-up thinking eh choppers?

Oh, hang on a minute....

But as previously discussed and evidenced, the overwhelming majority of immigration to the UK is legal, the 'small boats' people make up a tiny percentage of the total, so relative to our overall population we'd be processing a couple of hundred asylum seekers, tops. Not 20,000 or 30,000.

Hang on let me actually do the sums rather than base this on dunover's histrionics, I'd have thought you'd be a man of stats dunover, what with you being a keen slotter like myself.

UK population is 67 million, in 2023 there were 84,425 asylum applications received:

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So that's 0.126% of the total UK population.

IOM population is 84,500.

0.126% of 84,500 is 106.

So relative to the UK's population, the IOM would have processed 106 claims in 2023.

The reason the problem has become visible in the UK is that the Tories deliberately 'kettled' asylum seekers in hotels and suchlike, essentially stopped processing their applications, and turned it into a poisoned debate that has toxified politics in the UK and as we've seen over the last week, empowered far-right thugs across the country to think that their time has come.

(The Tories also, of course, essentially cut off all legal means of seeking asylum in the UK, to weaponize the issue via small boats, and giving that noxious wankpuffin Farage something to point at whilst huffing and puffing about how terrible it all is.)

Immigration to the IOM is very diverse, we're seeing people from all over the world come to live here, and make their home here, either bringing their families with them or starting a family here - walking down Douglas high street today I noted how there's a far wider variety of folks around than when I first moved here in 1996, and I think that's great.

I stick by my contention that the single biggest problems that the UK has are poverty and inequality, as the wealthy minority scoop up more and more of the wealth and assets of the country. A government that either can't/won't spend on its population, leaving that population in increasingly dire straits in greater numbers than ever, provides fertile ground for the politics of hate, division and 'othering' to flourish.

New Labour weren't amazing on this in some regards TBH, they sort of covered up the problem by spending a lot of money on lifting a lot of people up out of the bottom, but did nothing to stop the people at the top snaffling up more and more, when the Tories came into power in 2010, years of austerity presented a brutal new reality for a lot of people, which led into Brexit, which led into the ruinous Johnson years, and now Labour are left picking up the pieces.

New Labour did a lot of really good stuff though, and a lot of excellent work on reducing poverty, improving the NHS, societal support services etc.

As a single example, let's not forget that in 2010, the vast majority of people in the UK could get a GP's appointment within 48 hours, after 14 years of Tory rule that's more like 2-3 weeks. That's the failure point, a government that chronically underfunded the health service, and then to deflect blame says it's all the fault of the immigrants.

A happy and healthy population that enjoys a decent standard of living doesn't go out and riot. The problem is not immigrants, the problem is 14 years of total Tory failure.
 
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So this Saturday I am getting together with two old friends, we have known each other since we were 7 and all turned the big 5 0 in the past 8 weeks. So Saturday is a Happy 50th jolly as it were,

We have long decided to convene in Swindon, as one of us lives there. Only happens there is a planned 'protest' in Swindon on Saturday, as well as the Swindon and Wiltshire Pride on the same day.
 
I said this about Brexit and the vote to the leave the EU, and the same is true now (not that there's any justification for violent rioting).

People are right to be angry. But they're angry with with the wrong thing.

The EU (essentially a cipher for immigrants) was the wrong target in 2016, and immigrants (explicitly identified) are the wrong target now.

This is a short excerpt from an interview Gary Ferguson recorded earlier this year, before the election and the riots, as part of a longer interview.

Seems almost prophetic now. He also makes it very clear that unless Labour makes fundamental and wide-sweeping changes to reduce inequality (plans they don't currently have), the problem is only going to get worse.

It's only two minutes.

 
I said this about Brexit and the vote to the leave the EU, and the same is true now (not that there's any justification for violent rioting).

People are right to be angry. But they're angry with with the wrong thing.

The EU (essentially a cipher for immigrants) was the wrong target in 2016, and immigrants (explicitly identified) are the wrong target now.

This is a short excerpt from an interview Gary Ferguson recorded earlier this year, before the election and the riots, as part of a longer interview.

Seems almost prophetic now. He also makes it very clear that unless Labour makes fundamental and wide-sweeping changes to reduce inequality (plans they don't currently have), the problem is only going to get worse.

It's only two minutes.



Who's Gary Ferguson, how many garys are you watching at any one time 😄
 
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Worried you've over slept?
Well, check the election thread!
Has Chop has parroted garbage backed up with 2 or 3 favorited opinions of the day from some Gary? Then you're fine! it aint even 9am!

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I said this about Brexit and the vote to the leave the EU, and the same is true now (not that there's any justification for violent rioting).

People are right to be angry. But they're angry with with the wrong thing.

The EU (essentially a cipher for immigrants) was the wrong target in 2016, and immigrants (explicitly identified) are the wrong target now.

This is a short excerpt from an interview Gary Ferguson recorded earlier this year, before the election and the riots, as part of a longer interview.

Seems almost prophetic now. He also makes it very clear that unless Labour makes fundamental and wide-sweeping changes to reduce inequality (plans they don't currently have), the problem is only going to get worse.

It's only two minutes.


I think that there are a number of frustrations going on. Muslims feeling that they don't have a voice which includes those who where born and bread in the UK and the Brits who also feel that their not being listened too.
Muslims are seeing their fellow kin getting genocided with the help of many governments around the world and the disrespect shown to them by Brits.
Brits calling it a two tire system and the total ignorance to concerns on immigration.
Then we have social media celebs who are rumoured to be funded by the country who are committing the genocide of their kin.
Both have a point and both feel that they are not being listened too.
Some say it is by design.
 
I don't want to tempt fate but by all accounts the far right-wing nutjobs have been categorically outnumbered and embarrassed at all of their proposed locations this evening.

This picture says it all really, the small group in the middle right of the photo are the far right-wing would-be rioters being protected by the police as a massively larger anti-racist/fascist crowd makes it clear that their presence is entirely unwelcome.

Also even their mean intellect is able to grasp the fact that rioting is landing people straight in jail, do not pass go do not collect £200. Farage of course is now forced to distance himself from this, as well as (somehow...) even managing to try and play the victim card himself.

Hopefully it all passes off with no violence or disorder, and the fascist loonies crawl back under their rocks, having had it made very clear to them that they are massively, massively outnumbered by the true 'silent majority', who will show up in numbers to protect the real Great Britain - the Britain that is welcoming, and kind, and compassionate, and not the hate-fuelled nightmare that they aspire to.

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I don't want to tempt fate but by all accounts the far right-wing nutjobs have been categorically outnumbered and embarrassed at all of their proposed locations this evening.

This picture says it all really, the small group in the middle right of the photo are the far right-wing would-be rioters being protected by the police as a massively larger anti-racist/fascist crowd makes it clear that their presence is entirely unwelcome.

Also even their mean intellect is able to grasp the fact that rioting is landing people straight in jail, do not pass go do not collect £200. Farage of course is now forced to distance himself from this, as well as (somehow...) even managing to try and play the victim card himself.

Hopefully it all passes off with no violence or disorder, and the fascist loonies crawl back under their rocks, having had it made very clear to them that they are massively, massively outnumbered by the true 'silent majority', who will show up in numbers to protect the real Great Britain - the Britain that is welcoming, and kind, and compassionate, and not the hate-fuelled nightmare that they aspire to.

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I hope it passes off peacefully too.
What I can see is a summer of fractious confrontations between various different members of society and only bad weather will quell it.
Labour as a party will be utterly wiped out after this due to Starmer's brand of governing. The Tories have been in bed with Labour for years so we will have a different party that emerge to govern us.
The Scots have their own SNP, The Welsh, Irish. Labour will lose their identity as being the rep of the working class and they will soon pay the price. It will be a combo of all of society that will do it.
The Tories and Labour being in bed together could never have been a good thing.
 
I don't want to tempt fate but by all accounts the far right-wing nutjobs have been categorically outnumbered and embarrassed at all of their proposed locations this evening.

This picture says it all really, the small group in the middle right of the photo are the far right-wing would-be rioters being protected by the police as a massively larger anti-racist/fascist crowd makes it clear that their presence is entirely unwelcome.

Also even their mean intellect is able to grasp the fact that rioting is landing people straight in jail, do not pass go do not collect £200. Farage of course is now forced to distance himself from this, as well as (somehow...) even managing to try and play the victim card himself.

Hopefully it all passes off with no violence or disorder, and the fascist loonies crawl back under their rocks, having had it made very clear to them that they are massively, massively outnumbered by the true 'silent majority', who will show up in numbers to protect the real Great Britain - the Britain that is welcoming, and kind, and compassionate, and not the hate-fuelled nightmare that they aspire to.

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So in all likelihood what would happen to the 'far right' folk in this situation if the police were not there?

Bear in mind the "kind and compassionate" and "silent majority" you used at the end of your post.
 
I have to say Starmer has shown some real leadership over the recent days, particularly how he is getting the courts to fast track the cases for yobs involved. I hope over the coming weeks he will go for the ringleaders and rabble rousers who are pulling the strings of the "patriots" they are sending out on a nightly basis to cause mayhem.
 
I hope it passes off peacefully too.
What I can see is a summer of fractious confrontations between various different members of society and only bad weather will quell it.
Labour as a party will be utterly wiped out after this due to Starmer's brand of governing. The Tories have been in bed with Labour for years so we will have a different party that emerge to govern us.
The Scots have their own SNP, The Welsh, Irish. Labour will lose their identity as being the rep of the working class and they will soon pay the price. It will be a combo of all of society that will do it.
The Tories and Labour being in bed together could never have been a good thing.

I think Starmer's response so far has been decent, Labour were handed a really shitty stick, and a tinderbox of a country, his government has looked serious and committed, and he's largely just put his head down and got on with the job. Plus they're not fucking about, with hundreds of rioters going through the courts and straight to prison.

The real governmental test will come with the first budget in October, Reeves has already indicated that some taxes will have to rise so let's see if she's prepared to start to redistribute the wealth a bit to give those struggling at the bottom and also the 'squeezed middle' a boost.

If they're just Tory-Lite with spending cuts/squeezes, giving nothing to help the majority in the UK whilst the minority at the top make out like bandits, then they'll pay the price at the next election.

No one's saying take all the rich's money off them, they can still be rich, just a bit less rich. Simply clawing back a good chunk of the hundreds of billions the Tories printed since Covid and siphoned into the pockets of the rich, to put them back to where they were in 2020, would be plenty good enough for now.

There have been two massive transfers of wealth in recent memory (and wealth secures assets, to the detriment of those who don't have the wealth, so can't afford the assets), the first happened after the global crash towards the end of New Labour's time in power, and the second happened with Covid, with furlough and other economic measures.

The actions taken in both cases were correct, the problem in both cases was not rebalancing the distribution of wealth once the dust had settled.
 
So in all likelihood what would happen to the 'far right' folk in this situation if the police were not there?

Bear in mind the "kind and compassionate" and "silent majority" you used at the end of your post.

Well given the numbers involved the crowds there could have overwhelmed the police to get to the racists, they didn't.

This was a peaceful show of unity and strength, to stand up to the racists, who like all bullies, once the bravado is stripped away, are cowards.

They've had their bluff called now. There aren't that many of them, they aren't strong or powerful, they're a bunch of violent arseholes who'd try to set fire to a hotel with people inside it, and the people of Britain have said 'not on my watch, dickheads'.
 
Well sounds like many knuckledraggers will be woken up to the sound of the 'Big Red Key' caving in their respective front doors this morning.

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The police are doing that they do best and how they go after football hooligans. Hope they throw the book at the pondscum and as per the report Chopley posted a few posts up, sounds like the courts are!
 
An additional deterrent would be to fine those convicted based on the total of 1) the damage they caused, 2) the cost of policing the rioting, 3) the cost of their trial, 4) the cost of board and lodging at His Majesty's pleasure. No let off for declaring themselves bankrupt, but a lifetime to repay the debt to society.
 
As usual in Belfast the paramilitaries have brought their “soldiers” out on the streets in the name of protest.
I wonder if these idiots will ever wake up to the fact that it’s immigrants that are supporting the NHS and care services , it’s immigrants that are paying taxes to help support infrastructure and also to pay their benefits.
Belfast and Northern Ireland in general has never had a problem with illegal immigrants , asylum seekers etc but these bully boys haven’t the sense to work out that if you take the immigrants out of our society our already teetering health service will probably be irrevocably damaged.
As for housing there have been problems here for years but that’s due to under investment by the Stormont Assembly coupled with Sinn Fein walk out for over 3 years followed by the DUP collapsing the assembly for 2 years.
This year we have the Housing Executive planning to build 400 houses , which is a drop in the ocean compared to what is required.
 
Well given the numbers involved the crowds there could have overwhelmed the police to get to the racists, they didn't.

This was a peaceful show of unity and strength, to stand up to the racists, who like all bullies, once the bravado is stripped away, are cowards.

They've had their bluff called now. There aren't that many of them, they aren't strong or powerful, they're a bunch of violent arseholes who'd try to set fire to a hotel with people inside it, and the people of Britain have said 'not on my watch, dickheads'.

I'll put that down as another non-answer.

For anyone impressed with the court fast processing, most likely it's a magistrate reading the charge and then 5 mins legal chatter before bringing the hammer down. Not a perry mason masterclass.

If anyone saw the clip taken near downing street, the riot police were recorded saying 'just pick one'

Punching or physically man handling a cop doesn't really require much detective work, but other offences could otherwise you're nailing the wrong person. But then again do the authorities much care.
 
This labour councillor has been filmed saying the far right should have their throats slit, while being applauded by a 'kind and compassionate' crowd.

Let's see if starmer and his two tier policing deal with him.

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Be patient. The police are probably organising a bend the knee worshipping rally for him. Give it a while and then they'll apologise while arresting him before giving him a lenient sentance that gets reduced after 3 months.
 
I know Piers Morgan is not everyones cup of tea and is very marmite, but loving watching him going at the misogynist, incel loving, asshole that is Andrew Tate.
I think you need to be between the ages of 12-16 to like Tate. Or severely mentally incapacitated.

Someone like Adin Ross squarely fits into the second category. I love watching the clips of Tate shitting all over Adin even though Adin openly worships the guy.
 
I think you need to be between the ages of 12-16 to like Tate. Or severely mentally incapacitated.

Someone like Adin Ross squarely fits into the second category. I love watching the clips of Tate shitting all over Adin even though Adin openly worships the guy.

I don't watch Tate but seen a few clips on twitter recently, he can certainly talk fast!

Capable of one-liners and ridiculing his opponents no doubt, not sure he can offer much deeper analysis of events and trends.

Someone said his father was CIA, other I read was that he grew up in Luton 😒 who knows 😅
 
FFS, this is just crazy. Some of the comments as to why this should happen shows what happens when people with no understanding of the real world swallow all the nonsense thats posted as truth online.

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And FTR I am in no way a Labour supporter and fully believe that I will be getting a raise in my taxes very shortly, but to believe that he is in any way to blame for the chaos that is currently the UK is unbelievable.

Comments include " he only looks after muslins" sums up the intellect of these people... WTF is a muslin?
 

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