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That won't wash Chopley. You said
Thus indirectly labelling anyone who supports Farage or and Reform UK the same. So yes video is on point as was my post.
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Thus indirectly labelling anyone who supports Farage or and Reform UK the same. So yes video is on point as was my post.
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One of the best images of the night IMO 
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But that's not how words work.
You can't read sentences that clearly say one thing, decide they mean something else, and then criticise the person who didn't say something, for the thing you've decided they did say after all.
I was having a politics chat with a mate at work earlier in the week, if he were in the UK, he'd be voting Reform. He is neither a fascist or a racist, he simply despairs of the 'centrist' offerings he sees as being offered up by the mainstream political parties, and that they are all part of the same machine that doesn't wish to see any meaningful change in how the country is run. He thinks Reform would represent that change.
We had a civilised chat and didn't agree on much as you can imagine (as far as politics goes, but we've known each other for many years and get on well), but I certainly didn't accuse him of being either a fascist or a racist (he isn't a fascist or a racist).
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Oh you can certainly infer hidden meanings in words. Labelling an entire party as far right, which is what you did when stating: "the rise of far-right populism in the form of Farage/Reform"
Infers that those individuals that support said party or individual are one and the same.
So excuse me when I challenge those assertions. Labelling is one of the worst traits of political discussion and I will always tackle it head on.
Infers that those individuals that support said party or individual are one and the same.
So excuse me when I challenge those assertions. Labelling is one of the worst traits of political discussion and I will always tackle it head on.
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Both Starmer and Sunek and their parties voted for vaccine mandates and segregation passports. That makes them both fascist matey.
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I can't compete with a mind reader! Not only did I not say those things, I explicitly took the time to say the opposite of those things, but apparently I said them anyway!
I'm off to the pub
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You need to understand those like Chopley's woke/radical/neo-liberal/student/Corbynite mindset mate.
Regardless of the definitive inaccuracy and misuse of words like 'fascist' and 'racist' they do NOT expect to be challenged about it! They've created a climate of fear whereby simply pointing out the obvious inaccuracies will have you castigated and aggressively confronted by the swivel-eyed loons. If they say it's sunny when it's raining then it's sunny. Got that?
The very term 'far right' has been hijacked and has connotations with (ironically) the National Socialist movement and ipso facto race-based murder and bias. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but the main Reform votes came in what are lower-income more working class constituencies, voters that would naturally be more left-of-centre than 'right'. They suffer the effects of third-world unmetered illegal immigration among other things.
A 'fascist' is an old Roman army term for 'carrying the fasces' which pertains to military rules and order. Now I don't recall Farage and Reform advocating ending democracy for military authority?
Then 'racist' simply means one who considers their own race to be superior to that of another, or group. So 'superior' being the operative word, not 'different'. Or stating the obvious human nature derived problems of importing or trying to accommodate too many different groups, and milllions of them.
So objecting to lunatic levels of migration, or challenging the bogus social and economic arguments and pointing out negative consequences does not make one a racist. Nor far right. Nor a fascist. Nor does telling jokes as a teenager, or dressing up in old uniforms or using words accepted at the time.
The same desperate tropes spew from the aggressive left and liberals every time they feel or know they are losing the argument or anyone has the temerity to challenge their imposed order.
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LOLI can't compete with a mind reader! Not only did I not say those things, I explicitly took the time to say the opposite of those things, but apparently I said them anyway!
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Enjoy and be sure to join me in the What are you listening to thread... later on this evening. It is Friday and you know what that means...
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Chop you must be 'aving a laugh, how did they lurch to the right? Plenty of words but not much action when they had an 80 seat majority.
It's like saying Gordon brown lost because he lurched to the left.
That matrix vid is very clever, and the left can't meme is still true as far as I can tell, so doubt they'll be a clever response.
I hope Suella doesn't become tory leader, she's okay but will always be a compromise, rather pathetic state of affairs we cannot find somebody of British ancestry to lead the country (under a conservative govt) Sunak was a nice enough fella but you will always have a disconnect compared to someone with no other ties.
It would probably be a sentiment shared in the iom, the locals would prefer a manx to an englishmen from Essex (or even further afield) as leader of the parliament etc..am I wrong?
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Always thought that there was genuine respect between Sunak and Starmer; especially so from Starmer, and at least partly because it was good for Starmer to have someone competent and intelligent as the PM.
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You take that back.
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Two new UK records were set last night:
The most under represented party ever: Reform with 1,023,052 voters for each of their MPs.
The most over-represented party ever: Labour with 23,511 voters for each of their MPs.
Labour's vote is now down to 33.6% of votes cast, one of their lowest ever and their second-highest number of seats ever. Odd stuff.
Their vote fell 3.9% in Wales, rose 0.6% in England and rose overall nationally by under 2% mainly due to a massive 17% rise in Scotland.
@ChopleyIOM 's posted polls were way off the mark, predicting 41-44% but then again he didn't create them. The 19-21% gap between Con and Lab was in fact 10-11% in the end, quite a dramatic drift.
This 170-odd seat majority is far more fragile than it looks. Same as Boris's 88 was.
The most under represented party ever: Reform with 1,023,052 voters for each of their MPs.
The most over-represented party ever: Labour with 23,511 voters for each of their MPs.
Labour's vote is now down to 33.6% of votes cast, one of their lowest ever and their second-highest number of seats ever. Odd stuff.
Their vote fell 3.9% in Wales, rose 0.6% in England and rose overall nationally by under 2% mainly due to a massive 17% rise in Scotland.
@ChopleyIOM 's posted polls were way off the mark, predicting 41-44% but then again he didn't create them. The 19-21% gap between Con and Lab was in fact 10-11% in the end, quite a dramatic drift.
This 170-odd seat majority is far more fragile than it looks. Same as Boris's 88 was.
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It really feels like a flip of the 2019 scenario - Tories got a free pass, Labour had to fight everyone (LibDems aggressively targeting Labour seats based on bogus "protest" votes, Brexit Party through Starmer's second / "sore loser" referendum pledge), and smaller centre-left parties like the Greens.
FPTP amplifies that - remember Corbyn's "worst in 80 years" performance in 2019 wasn't even the worst of that decade - he polled 1.7% higher than Miliband in 2015 - but because of the landscape some of their safest seats were split by the LibDems, even seeing strong labour + remain seats being lost to a brexiteer Tory. That didn't equate with LibDem seats either - given they only won 11 last time for their 11.6% of the vote.
It looks like the Reform party did what the LibDems did in 2019 - enough support to split the lead party, but not concentrated enough to turn into seats. I thought 11.6% for 11 seats was bad, but 14.3% for 4 seats is a perfect example of FPTP failing (and even though I don't believe Farage one iota, proportional representation is a fairer system).
Starmer polling 34% is shocking though - for all his narrative about changing the Labour party, it seems to have alienated the Labour core - 600k votes less than 2019, and over 6% down on Corbyn's share in 2017 (which is the more like-for-like result, given the Brexit protest vote in 2019 pushed by Starmer). Naturally the media will ignore all that and focus on the number of seats.
A lot of focus will go on Reform, but some should also go on the Greens who nearly trebled their vote to 6.8% (for 4 seats also). Perhaps we'll see the end of the two-party system after all...
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Uber Liberal Utopians lives are better now they have found their king.
James O'Brien.
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Focusing on this purely from a "polling" standpoint...
That is a staggering failure of polling - Labour polled 50%, Reform 29%, Tories 8% and Green 5%. I'm struggling to see how any exit poll would give 99% confidence to Reform winning that seat, and I'm sure those questions will be asked because someone has been caught making it up!
That is a staggering failure of polling - Labour polled 50%, Reform 29%, Tories 8% and Green 5%. I'm struggling to see how any exit poll would give 99% confidence to Reform winning that seat, and I'm sure those questions will be asked because someone has been caught making it up!
Yes, I can get 2 litres of Gin, a litre of Vodka and 400 cigarettes on the Holyhead to Dublin ferry for £130
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Cabinet appointments incoming: Starmer should really give Nigel a post as a thank you
Some scary appointments coming up - David Lammy as the new Foreign Secretary is a disaster waiting to happen.
I am sure Sir Keir is planning were he can put Diane Abbot into his appointments, maybe DWP.....
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You'll need that everyday to get through listening to Starmer...talk....deliberately....slowly...Yes, I can get 2 litres of Gin, a litre of Vodka and 400 cigarettes on the Holyhead to Dublin ferry for £130
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Back in the lockdown facility she escaped from? (Sorry, that Angela bust her free from)
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Yep it makes me wanna puke too....and I speak as someone who is "supposed to be voting for her side".Sinn Fein did take a bit of a beating in last months local Irish elections (% wise) - the next GE there is next year i think and be interesting to see if they dip from their 36 seats. -possibly yes, as there's been a movement of 'Ireland for Ireland' recently, as the left wing will probably take a dent because of it.
Who doesn't like watching Michelle O'Neil grin like a Cheshire Cat
The only thing worse is seeing Mary Lou McTraitor grinning in similar fashion.
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I do miss the simplicity of politics back home. Policies? Pah, Manifestos? Pah
Just roll out A. a Sash or B.a Tricolour
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Answered in true Belfastboy fashion.Yes, I can get 2 litres of Gin, a litre of Vodka and 400 cigarettes on the Holyhead to Dublin ferry for £130
It's the little victories in life that count for a lot more than they perhaps should do
Aye, just like that clown Arlene put on all the posters at a previous election " If you dont vote DUP you will get Martin".... And as with @mcgameboy I am one who is supposed to be voting on the DUP side.I do miss the simplicity of politics back home. Policies? Pah, Manifestos? Pah
Just roll out A. a Sash or B.a Tricolour
I havent voted since the GFA vote, didnt vote before that either, because I am tired of the same old rhetoric from the parties over here who would rather walk out ( both lots did it) than actually do what that they were elected to do.
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Minister for the Dissolution of White Privilege?
Actually I shouldn't say that out loud, she (Flabbott) right roll with it. Roll being the operative word...
And don't even get me started on Lammy as FS
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Won't be much love lost between Lammy and Miliband in the same cabinet: expect the sleeves rolled up for some fight club action outside the black door.Minister for the Dissolution of White Privilege?
Actually I shouldn't say that out loud, she (Flabbott) right roll with it. Roll being the operative word...
And don't even get me started on Lammy as FS
My money's on Ed's bacon sandwich winning
As long as its not the department that looks after gambling, the UKGC are doing a great job of destroying it as an enjoyable experience without her help....Minister for the Dissolution of White Privilege?
Actually I shouldn't say that out loud, she (Flabbott) right roll with it. Roll being the operative word...
And don't even get me started on Lammy as FS
Day one and already the excuses are being teed up for why they have to raise everyone of working ages tax....
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David Lammy as Foreign Secretary, how to ruin what was a great day. :-s
The most blatant voting revolution and all-round FU to the Tories imaginable via 'resentment voting', and here we are. Not like the Conservatives didn't do this to themselves, after all 
The annihilation they clearly needed, because that's how parties refocus and strive to remember what they actually stand for, a fact lost in amongst the Johnson/ Truss/ Sunak slurry.
Interesting times ahead indeed, and whilst Labour will undoubtedly find ways to cannibalize themselves over the next couple of terms, as is always the way, I have no qualms about giving Starmer a fair crack of the whip until proven otherwise. Socialists need love too!
The annihilation they clearly needed, because that's how parties refocus and strive to remember what they actually stand for, a fact lost in amongst the Johnson/ Truss/ Sunak slurry.
Interesting times ahead indeed, and whilst Labour will undoubtedly find ways to cannibalize themselves over the next couple of terms, as is always the way, I have no qualms about giving Starmer a fair crack of the whip until proven otherwise. Socialists need love too!
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It's nice to see someone from Londonia posting on this forum again.The most blatant voting revolution and all-round FU to the Tories imaginable via 'resentment voting', and here we are. Not like the Conservatives didn't do this to themselves, after all
The annihilation they clearly needed, because that's how parties refocus and strive to remember what they actually stand for, a fact lost in amongst the Johnson/ Truss/ Sunak slurry.
Interesting times ahead indeed, and whilst Labour will undoubtedly find ways to cannibalize themselves over the next couple of terms, as is always the way, I have no qualms about giving Starmer a fair crack of the whip until proven otherwise. Socialists need love too!
We once had a forum member from Londonia who used to post (quite prolifically actually) on the forums for a good many years.
Genuinely witty and funny guy so he was. Had a great pun game. But he could also hold his own in the more...cough...contentious threads. In short, a real asset to the forum, someone who made CM a great place to visit and to interact with people. But then, a couple of years ago, something strange happened....
He was bestowed with the highest honour available to Casinomeister members....the CM Member Achievement Award.
And it was almost like he thought to himself "I have "completed" Casinomeister and cemented my legacy. Go me".
And with that, the ungrateful bastid promptly buggered off, never to return!!
Not only that, he KEPT the award and didn't return it!
I can say with no hint of exaggeration that the CM membership was left dejected, saddened, and in some cases, even broken-hearted.
Not me though, I was glad he sodded off tbh, the bloody charlatan....Oh. That guy I'm talking about is YOU, isn't it?
Shit. Well this is a tad awkward and embarrassing.....
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So I beat Rishi to his resignation by a couple of hours, phew close one. Judging by the tone of the comments that followed I will clarify that by 'socialist' I meant lefty Labour not righty Reform. Even if I credit Starmer with being a centrist he still has to placate the loony left. That means cabinet posts followed by crazy policies are on their way.
As for the prospects for Suella she is at odds of 10 on Betfair Sportsbook well behind front runners Kemi Badenoch 3.2, Tom Tugendhat 5.5 but ahead of (try not to laugh) Farage 13 and Boris 21. Have a nice day.
As for the prospects for Suella she is at odds of 10 on Betfair Sportsbook well behind front runners Kemi Badenoch 3.2, Tom Tugendhat 5.5 but ahead of (try not to laugh) Farage 13 and Boris 21. Have a nice day.
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Badenoch would be awful i think - she seems to want to turn a basic question into a fight and whittle on about so-called culture wars - might appeal to a certain element of the Party though.
Braverman might split them down the middle internally (even though some of her old critics are probably gone) and last time i looked didn't poll awfully well outside her own constituency.
TT/Cleverly/Hunt would be the more centrist options but can't see the latter being in the mix and they'll probably look at France and go no.
Not that many (far) left, pun not intended, in the current labour set up - Streeting for example, is relatively right of the Party (which may cause sleepless nights for defenders of the scared cow NHS), as is the Culture Minister. Even those that remain, he won't need their support if they rebel so i can't see much placating needing done.
Merely the second day into Starmer's stewardship and we have the pseudo-journalist bloggers spreading their Cope on a level unseen. Namely, where Brits ought to emigrate to in order to escape what's to come
Places include Australia, Italy, Sweden and France to name a few. Well we can rule out the latter three, thanks to the wonderment that was Brexit, whilst Australia'd likely only want skilled workers, not those seeking to top up their tans and put a shrimp on the barbie
So far in this newly formed government I've yet to see anything other than positive overtures, such as securing future health care by raising junior doctors' wages, encouraging ties with Europe and sorting out the bloated mess that is our railways. Get the basics right and work from there, what's not to like?
There'll undoubtedly be some missteps along the way, but you can't please all of the people all of the time as they say.
As for the 'right-adjacent' rags crying in to their cereals, it's frankly childish. Further proof that when things don't align quite as they'd like, they can be just as petulant with their hot takes. Who knew?
Places include Australia, Italy, Sweden and France to name a few. Well we can rule out the latter three, thanks to the wonderment that was Brexit, whilst Australia'd likely only want skilled workers, not those seeking to top up their tans and put a shrimp on the barbie
So far in this newly formed government I've yet to see anything other than positive overtures, such as securing future health care by raising junior doctors' wages, encouraging ties with Europe and sorting out the bloated mess that is our railways. Get the basics right and work from there, what's not to like?
There'll undoubtedly be some missteps along the way, but you can't please all of the people all of the time as they say.
As for the 'right-adjacent' rags crying in to their cereals, it's frankly childish. Further proof that when things don't align quite as they'd like, they can be just as petulant with their hot takes. Who knew?
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What on earth are you wibbling on about? Climate of fear?
There's just been a free and fair general election, in our peaceful democracy, and the vagaries of our electoral system aside - (which amplified Johnson's victory in 2019 in dramatic fashion too, but I didn't see dunover clutching his pearls over that) - your lot just got absolutely trounced. No fear required, the only 'climate of fear' we had was that the Tories and Reform were creating around immigrants, trans people, Windrush, and whoever else they felt like blaming for the country's ills.
So let's look at the aftermath.
The Tories - Almost an extinction level event from which the party may never recover in its current form.
Reform - 14% of the vote and 5 seats. Farage and his little cabal will be an irritant in the Commons, rather like a boil on an arse. But also like a boil on an arse, it won't really do much damage or make much difference to anything.
I'm using the words 'fascist' and 'racist' because Farage is both of those things. Provably so, by virtue of his words and actions. They got 14% of the vote.
Add them together with the Tories and right wing parties got 38%.
Add together the centre-left parties and you get 55% (or a bit more, depending on how you want to slice it).
The people of the UK knew where to cast their votes this election to get the result they wanted, and the result is that Labour have a massive majority in the Commons that basically gives Starmer a blank cheque to do whatever he wants.
So if this is what 'losing the argument' looks like, I'm happy to take it
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It had been interesting that a lot of the news is reporting the Labour win as “fragile”, when it’s anything but. Short of them losing 100 MPs suddenly, anyway.
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Rwanda gone already. One of the most brutally awful acts of performative cruelty I have ever seen from a British government, it made me ashamed.
Well done Keir for killing it off straight out of the door.
The Tories hosed FIVE HUNDRED MILLION POUNDS on this absolute shitshow.
Don't let anyone ever tell you that 'politicians are all the same'.
Well done Keir for killing it off straight out of the door.
The Tories hosed FIVE HUNDRED MILLION POUNDS on this absolute shitshow.
Don't let anyone ever tell you that 'politicians are all the same'.
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The SNP want more immigration so, for the cost of the M6 toll, there definitely were cheaper options
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It is always fun when we see the right and far righters attack what they hate about the left but people in the centre or on the left or even far left god help them when they say what they hate about what the right and far right blab on about is not even responded too.
1 think people do not understand is Far right views are far worse than far left. There is some though that obviously are absolutely out of line regardless where you stand politically. But I will not say what they are.
What people forget is everyone is fucking human, every single person deserves to be treated equally regardless of all of the differences they might have. But far right will always hate all of them that is the difference between far left and far right. But it is also questionable for far left depending how far left you go. If you actually goto the extreme end to full on communist socialism. But Far right is the worst because we all know what happened in history with Fascism.
Anyway just wanted to say that before I watch the England match - super happy the Scumbag conservatives are out of power once and for all and hopefully never see power again for a very very long time.
Come on England!
EDIT: And just watched the end of F1 qualifying what a treat for tomorrows race in Silverstone as well. 3 brits in 1,2 and 3, Russel, Hamilton and then Norris.
1 think people do not understand is Far right views are far worse than far left. There is some though that obviously are absolutely out of line regardless where you stand politically. But I will not say what they are.
What people forget is everyone is fucking human, every single person deserves to be treated equally regardless of all of the differences they might have. But far right will always hate all of them that is the difference between far left and far right. But it is also questionable for far left depending how far left you go. If you actually goto the extreme end to full on communist socialism. But Far right is the worst because we all know what happened in history with Fascism.
Anyway just wanted to say that before I watch the England match - super happy the Scumbag conservatives are out of power once and for all and hopefully never see power again for a very very long time.
Come on England!
EDIT: And just watched the end of F1 qualifying what a treat for tomorrows race in Silverstone as well. 3 brits in 1,2 and 3, Russel, Hamilton and then Norris.
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Fun bit of reading about Reform’s cAndIdates
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So that's all 650 seats now declared (not quite sure what the delay was on the last one), as you can see Labour have 'lost the argument' (TM - dunover) to the extent that they have a majority in the Commons so large it can be seen from space with the naked eye.
Reform have got five seats, which is five more than I'd like, but only one more than the Greens, so let's not get too carried away.
The SNP's self-immolation in Scotland is quite something to behold, can't say I'm wildly switched on to Scottish politics but that's probably independence dead and buried now, which is the best thing for it since it'd just be a Scottish version of Brexit. (i.e. A total disaster.)
One interesting thing to watch will be who the next leader of the Tories is, since a lot of the main candidates lost their seats, so the talent pool (such as it isn't), already feeble and contaminated following the purges/resignations of the Johnson years, is diminished even further. Jeremy Hunt is probably the most decent and centrist possibility, but I doubt he'd even want the job, since the Tories are basically a bunch of febrile ferrets fighting in a sack at this point.
One other thing I've noticed is Starmer already seems comfortable as Prime Minister, he was assured and confident in his first press conference today. I mentioned the other day that he had a decent reputation at the DPP as a hard working and diligent boss, with an eye for detail and keeping his staff in check - qualities that will serve him well in the top job in the land.
I think being in power will suit him a lot better than being in opposition (unlike, say, Farage or Johnson, whose weaknesses and laziness become manifestly obvious when they actually have something to do other than rabble rouse).
I realise it's incredibly early days, and this prediction could come back to bite me on the arse, but I can see Labour winning again in 2029. Starmer's a smart cookie, and he's made it quite clear that his absolute priority now is getting stuff done and making the country, and the lives of its people, demonstrably and visibly better.
Reform have got five seats, which is five more than I'd like, but only one more than the Greens, so let's not get too carried away.
The SNP's self-immolation in Scotland is quite something to behold, can't say I'm wildly switched on to Scottish politics but that's probably independence dead and buried now, which is the best thing for it since it'd just be a Scottish version of Brexit. (i.e. A total disaster.)
One interesting thing to watch will be who the next leader of the Tories is, since a lot of the main candidates lost their seats, so the talent pool (such as it isn't), already feeble and contaminated following the purges/resignations of the Johnson years, is diminished even further. Jeremy Hunt is probably the most decent and centrist possibility, but I doubt he'd even want the job, since the Tories are basically a bunch of febrile ferrets fighting in a sack at this point.
One other thing I've noticed is Starmer already seems comfortable as Prime Minister, he was assured and confident in his first press conference today. I mentioned the other day that he had a decent reputation at the DPP as a hard working and diligent boss, with an eye for detail and keeping his staff in check - qualities that will serve him well in the top job in the land.
I think being in power will suit him a lot better than being in opposition (unlike, say, Farage or Johnson, whose weaknesses and laziness become manifestly obvious when they actually have something to do other than rabble rouse).
I realise it's incredibly early days, and this prediction could come back to bite me on the arse, but I can see Labour winning again in 2029. Starmer's a smart cookie, and he's made it quite clear that his absolute priority now is getting stuff done and making the country, and the lives of its people, demonstrably and visibly better.
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Yes, marxism/communism and their adherents has murdered/starved/killed at the rate of approximately 1m souls per year since its birth. I think military juntas, fascists and the like have some way to go before even coming close to that horrific total.
Far left views are control, violence and intolerance dressed in the clothes of egalitarianism. Will always have traction while evolution keeps the average human IQ at just under 100. Ask Corbyn.
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We all remember Reservoir Dogs, right? The film where, famously, all the protagonists die, and it culminates in a literal circular firing squad of betrayal and treachery.
Sure they start out looking quite cool, but the whole point is they're a bunch of criminals, doing bad things, and they find themselves on the wrong end of some grisly fates.
So yeah, they're going with that.
(On top of that cringe Matrix video too, what is it with these people?)
Sure they start out looking quite cool, but the whole point is they're a bunch of criminals, doing bad things, and they find themselves on the wrong end of some grisly fates.
So yeah, they're going with that.
(On top of that cringe Matrix video too, what is it with these people?)
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The climate of fear:
Lose your job, fined, jailed maybe, for saying the wrong thing. Decided on by a Tory, or Labour lawmaker, or the police, or the CPS.
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laws. Lose your job, fined, jailed maybe, for saying the wrong thing. Decided on by a Tory, or Labour lawmaker, or the police, or the CPS.
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Well the good news is that all you have to do is follow your own link and learn how not to fall afoul of the hate crime laws! (Note - Hate CRIME, not Hate Speech.)
I note that you've deliberately changed the embedded text to read 'Hate speech', when the link naturally embeds as 'Hate Crime'. So nice try but no cigar on that one.
Here's how it actually embeds -
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There's also a whole section on prosecution guidance, i.e. what sort of hateful behaviour would actually cross a line into the realms of inviting a prosecution. Spoiler alert - It's way beyond just 'saying the wrong thing'.
It seems to me that as long as people avoid being hatefully racist, or homophobic, or transphobic, then they'll be fine.
'Oh no, I was really hateful by accident, and now I'm in trouble with the law, you can't say anything these days. It's political correctness gone mad!'
I know I'm just one of those feeble libtard snowflake tofu-eating wokerati types, but from where I'm standing, yes, absolutely, all this stuff should be a crime.
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I googled for hate speech laws?
You and I may agree with the definitions. Who gets to decide where the line is drawn tomorrow. Tory lawmakers? Farage one day? You? Dunover?
Climate of fear for some is not wibble.
You and I may agree with the definitions. Who gets to decide where the line is drawn tomorrow. Tory lawmakers? Farage one day? You? Dunover?
Climate of fear for some is not wibble.
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But what does anyone have to be afraid of when it comes to the hate crime laws? Unless, they're intending to be, y'know, viciously hateful in a sustained manner?
All the information about the hate crime laws is literally right there on a public website, we're not talking about the sinister machinery of some secretive dictatorial state locking people up for spurious 1984 style thought crimes.
No one's granny is getting done for using a racial slur because 'everyone said it' back in her day. (Although for the record I still think that's one of the worst excuses ever for using racist language.)
That Reform guy Andrew Parker, who was caught on camera calling Rishi Sunak a 'fucking Paki' (apologies for the language but it's what he said, I am quoting his exact words) was deemed by Essex police not to have committed an offence under the hate crime laws. He also said of migrants in small boats that we should 'fucking just shoot them' and of Muslims, we should 'kick them out of their mosques and turn them into Wetherspoons'.
So if anyone's worried about the hate crime laws because they think they might just casually come out with worse than that then I'd respectfully suggest they're the problem, not the hate crime laws.
The line is always drawn somewhere, that's the fundamental essence of living in rules-based democratic societies. 'Freedom' and 'democracy' don't just mean that arseholes get to act like arseholes with impunity.
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Agreed somewhat.
The climate of fear is real though. It's not wibble.
It'll be used to silence the things you support one day.
The climate of fear is real though. It's not wibble.
It'll be used to silence the things you support one day.
