General Election 2024 Thread

I can just see how national service would work now:

A couple of buses of new recruits pulls up at Catterick for them to start their basic training. They are greeted by a barrel chested RSM, the type who shouts loudly but in a pinch you know hes the one who will get you back home safely. His first order is simple to understand:

"Form two groups - ladies to the left, gents to the right, make it quick and no fucking around"

First person off the bus approaches the RSM: "sorry mate, where does the non-binary group go and please don't speak to me like that"

RSM has a meltdown, tears the recruit a new one, who then complains on social media all about how the army is not respecting peoples rights and we become an even bigger laughing stock for all other militaries around the world to take the piss out of.
 
I want a rainbow beret.
I want halal ratpack
I'm not wearing a belt, my camo trousers need to be hanging below my arse
Does 'GET DOWN!' mean stand up and dance?
I'm having separation anxiety from my iPhone and earbuds
The target is racist because the centre spot is black
What if the enemy open fire during prayer time?
The mortar is phallic and signifies male oppression
 
I want a rainbow beret.
I want halal ratpack
I'm not wearing a belt, my camo trousers need to be hanging below my arse
Does 'GET DOWN!' mean stand up and dance?
I'm having separation anxiety from my iPhone and earbuds
The target is racist because the centre spot is black
What if the enemy open fire during prayer time?
The mortar is phallic and signifies male oppression
I can hear my rsm now:

I want a rainbow beret - you will wear what you are fucking told
I want halal ratpack - eat what you have or starve - not arsed either way
Im not wearing a belt - it goes around your waist or around your neck - your choice
Does "Get Down" mean stand up and dance - please stand up, see what happens next
Im having seperation anxiety from my Iphone - I am going to seperate your head from your shoulders in a second
The target is racist because the centre spot is black - God is on the side of the best shots, so get stuck in
What if the enemy open fire during prayer time? - That's exactly why we are hitting them AT PRAYER TIME you useless cretin
The mortar is phallic - your mum loved it
 
Can you imaging a MacDonalds-fed flabby, drill music-consuming, indolent, woke entitled generation of 18 year olds, about 25% of whom will be muslims or other 'new Britons', successfully or willingly completing anything that demands discipline and patriotism? Rishi Sunk is living in cloud cuckoo land. You may as well get the Sergeant Majors to try and train or herd cats.

Yeah the fact that the young are 'woke' is definitely the problem.

How can you expect people who are being actively excluded from, and punished by, the prevailing economic system - to be incredibly enthused about doing forced national service to help sustain it? The very system that's fucking them over?

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I don't think any large majorities like that, especially when <50% of a public vote, is particularly good as a system in general. Allows a party to operate on behalf of the whole country, when half didn't vote for them, without any form of curtailing or challenge to the more radical elements of their party (left and right).

Leads to complacency as well.

Left leaning people in the Labour Party (are there any left?) will find their days well and truly numbered as Mr Starmer is, despite his awful public appearances, quite the authoritarian.
 
It doesn't seem to have landed very well.

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What's interesting is that, from up here, is how the SNP vote capitulation is reflective of Independence - you have this weird, almost oxymoron, situation is the SNP go from 40 odd seats to 12 and the labour party becoming having the largest westminster representation. But you poll Indy and the % remains more or less constant (goes up and down i think dependant, pun not intended, on the week)
 
I don't think any large majorities like that, especially when <50% of a public vote, is particularly good as a system in general. Allows a party to operate on behalf of the whole country, when half didn't vote for them, without any form of curtailing or challenge to the more radical elements of their party (left and right).

Leads to complacency as well.

Left leaning people in the Labour Party (are there any left?) will find their days well and truly numbered as Mr Starmer is, despite his awful public appearances, quite the authoritarian.

FPTP is a rotten electoral system and I'd love to see it changed, unfortunately any party that wins under FPTP tends not to then see any reason to change it.....

There are a massive number of votes in UK general elections that are simply wasted, and massive disparities in how many votes each party needs to secure per MP. I'm no fan of Reform and their vote probably won't hold at its level in the latest polling in a GE, but either way their representation in parliament should be commensurate with their vote share, same goes for the Greens and other minority parties. (Lib Dems do very badly out of FPTP as well of course.)

The other problem with FPTP is it makes the 'win zone' a very narrow band of swing seats, which tends to force both parties onto the centre ground and scared of making any pronouncements that might scare the voters in those seats.

New Labour fucked it, electoral reform absolutely should have been one of the things they got done during their time in power.
 
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FPTP is a rotten electoral system and I'd love to see it changed, unfortunately any party that wins under FPTP tends not to then see any reason to change it.....

There are a massive number of votes in UK general elections that are simply wasted, and massive disparities in how many votes each party needs to secure per MP. I'm no fan of Reform and their vote probably won't hold at its level in the latest polling in a GE, but either way their representation in parliament should be commensurate with their vote share, same goes for the Greens and other minority parties. (Lib Dems do very badly out of FPTP as well of course.)

The other problem with FPTP is it makes the 'win zone' a very narrow band of swing seats, which tends to force both parties onto the centre ground and scared of making any pronouncements that might scare the voters in those seats.

New Labour fucked it, electoral reform absolutely should have been one of the things they got done during their time in power.
New Labour was the end of the Labour Party in it's original Scottish roots form :p

It is a horrible system - people complain about STV/PR giving 'marginal' parties influence, but surely if 10% vote for you, you ought to have representation - oddly enough Starmer opposes it even though, IIRC, his party want it .

The downside to it is that it doesn't lead to many/if any majorities so some parties have a disproportionate effect on policies which creates issues of why a party ,having 5% of the vote , has a say in policy.

Overall though, i think it's a fairer system.
 
iirc the markets and business prefer the certainty of fptp, however I think we need an infusion of new ideas, the only way that'll happen is probably PR.

And I would put each MP in control of the health facilities (nhs/public) in his constituency, he has the final say, that way we'd have direct accountability and 1 person with a strong motive to ensure a good service is provided.

[Obviously he wouldn't be sat in an office doing staff rotas, but the bigger decisions.]
 
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Be careful what you wish for. The Tories may well deserve a good thumping but an electoral wipeout and 3 figure Labour majority will do no-one any favours, even Labour supporters.

All governments need an effective opposition.
100% true. But here is the problem.

WHEN exactly was the last time we actually HAD such a thing here in the UK?

The last three "reigns" in the UK Parliament have been....

1. The current 14 years with the Tories under Cameron, May, Alexander DePfeffel Boorish Fuckwit that would stick his Johnson inside a plank of wood with a hole in it if you sellotaped some pubic hair around said hole Johnson, Liz "anything you can do Brian Clough" Truss & Sunak.
2. New Labour's 13 years under Blair and Brown and
3. the Tories EIGHTEEN YEARS under Thatcher & Major.

Doesn't exactly scream "effective opposition" does it?
If anything, it seems to suggest that....

1. the UK electorate is a patient * lot. Perhaps too patient for its own good.
OR
2. they have been starved of appealing alternatives for damn near half a century.

* Until of course, their patience is inevitably tested to and beyond its limits by a combination of arrogance, incompetence, complacency and general all round sleazy c*ntishness.
And ONLY then does it say "enough already. time for someone else to have a go".

It's quite telling that a UK governing party hasn't gone "one and done" - or even "two and done" - since 1979.
And even that Callaghan government MIGHT have got a second term IF Callaghan had called an election in '78 (before the Winter Of Discontent that doomed him).

It's not particularly helpful when you have opposition leaders like....

Michael Howard - got totally Paxo'ed by the words "did you threaten to overrule him?"

Ed Milliband - sounds like he permanently has the common cold. And probably has less personality than.....the common cold.

JEZZAH Corbyn - He's down with da grime massive in E3 London, which is wicked innit?
But he also is down with dressing like a f*cking Geography teacher, not a statesman.
And he is also down with not having the balls to pick a side on the Brexit issue, lest he offend anyone among this increasingly lily-livered, oversensitive and mentally deficient joke of a population.
BUT......MUH FEELINGS!!! Yeah whatever, douchebags....

And to be honest, WHEN Labour gets elected on 5th July (they SURELY cannot repeat the mistakes of '92 and '19 this time?), they will almost certainly be in power for AT LEAST two terms. Simply because we will end up with YET ANOTHER opposition that is as about as effective as a chocolate fireguard.

Angela Rayner is already licking her lips, knowing that she can get caught red-handed with her hands in ALL of the cookie jars for the next ten years and nothing will be done about it. Why? Because you are stuck with a choice between John Swinney, Ed Davey, James Cleverly, Grant Shapps and god knows who else as "the alternative".
Jesus Christ, we're totally f*cked.

Honestly, it's almost enough to make me want to actually change my mind and waste ten minutes of my life by actually bothering to vote at this GE.
But if I do, I will make sure I go for a massive shit before I leave the house.
And instead of flushing a few sheets of shit-stained toilet roll down the bog, I will take them with me to the voting booth in order to smear my ballot with a dozen shit-coloured and shit-smelling X's....

That's what I think of our DUH-MOCK-cracy.

 
iirc the markets and business prefer the certainty of fptp, however I think we need an infusion of new ideas, the only way that'll happen is probably PR.

And I would put each MP in control of the health facilities (nhs/public) in his constituency, he has the final say, that way we'd have direct accountability and 1 person with a strong motive to ensure a good service is provided.

[Obviously he wouldn't be sat in an office doing staff rotas, but the bigger decisions.]
Whilst i see merit in that, one of the problems you have would be that you'll end up with that lottery postcode of health services, but yes, i think MP's should be more responsible for the delivery of these core services. But that would run roughshod over the Health Boards which, in theory, are meant to be responsible for the delivery.

Either way, the sacred cow of NHS ineptitude will continue unless something fundamental is changed - ain't the 1940's anymore :p

One of the things they could do is stop the absurd situation that NHS bodies can operate at deficits when budget setting for the year - that provides no incentive for management of resources or budgetary control.
 
I have high hopes though, the next Health Secretary from 6 months ago

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Oh boy if this is labour's vision for the future :laugh:

Btw Streeting is a PR disaster waiting to happen :p

Will the battered deep fried mars bar finally be under threat?

All the pieces are coming together for a nanny state mega mix, a huge majority and five solid years to play with :p...:eek:
 
Will the battered deep fried mars bar finally be under threat?

All the pieces are coming together for a nanny state mega mix, a huge majority and five solid years to play with :p...:eek:
The DF Mars bar is somewhat of a myth as i've only seen one place up here have it :laugh:

Though i'd rather have it than some beetroot salad :p

What, you think parents should take greater responsibility for their kids' heath and wellbeing? You zealot! :p

State subsidised children, what's not to love :p
 
So Farage has crawled out from under his rock again. A week ago he said he had a far more important election to focus on over in the USA, but since then Trump has been convicted of, checks notes, all the crimes, so he's decided maybe that isn't such a good idea after all.

On one level I really do have to admire the man's brass neck. Back in 2016 he was all like, 'VOTE FOR BREXIT, IT'LL BE AMAZING FOR BRITAIN'.

And then in 2024, after Brexit has happened, and a very hard Brexit at that, we get, 'BRITAIN IS IN TATTERS, VOTE FOR ME TO MAKE IT BETTER!'.

He's the griftiest grifter in all of Griftville.
 
Mind you, every cloud and all that.....

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I'm glad you approve of assault on politicians in a free democracy, and her male friend who assaulted an emergency worker.

Yep, the thought process (or lack thereof) of the extreme left wokery brigade whose sense of entitlement gives them carte blanche to break the law for some cheap kudos among their scrounging acolytes.

I'm sure at the weekend the midget will be on a pro-Hamass march or other rentamob.
 
I'm glad you approve of assault on politicians in a free democracy, and her male friend who assaulted an emergency worker.

Yep, the thought process (or lack thereof) of the extreme left wokery brigade whose sense of entitlement gives them carte blanche to break the law for some cheap kudos among their scrounging acolytes.

I'm sure at the weekend the midget will be on a pro-Hamass march or other rentamob.

Awww diddums the lying charlatan who sold the young of the UK down the river with his Brexit lies and grifting got a milkshake thrown in his face, I'm sure he'll live, no damage was done.

And us lefties are supposed to be the snowflakes!

I'm old enough to remember when politicians just punched the perpetrator and went about their day :D

 
I see Rishi abandoned the D-Day commemoration service yesterday to fly back to the UK to do some interviews and electioneering.

Class act!

Anyway, apparently he's sorry about it, so that's OK.

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Awww diddums the lying charlatan who sold the young of the UK down the river with his Brexit lies and grifting got a milkshake thrown in his face, I'm sure he'll live, no damage was done.

And us lefties are supposed to be the snowflakes!

I'm old enough to remember when politicians just punched the perpetrator and went about their day :D


May have only been a milkshake, could have been acid. Deplorable that you feel any attack on a politician, regardless of their views, is acceptable.
I wonder if you also thought it was ok when your hero Jeremy' buddies in the IRA were murdering another MP, the Reverend Robert Bradford, when he was holding a constituency office in a church hall.
You should hang your head in shame, but then that wouldnt be done by anyone who cheers for a politician who openly wooed murderers from Palestine and Northern Ireland.
 
May have only been a milkshake, could have been acid. Deplorable that you feel any attack on a politician, regardless of their views, is acceptable.
I wonder if you also thought it was ok when your hero Jeremy' buddies in the IRA were murdering another MP, the Reverend Robert Bradford, when he was holding a constituency office in a church hall.
You should hang your head in shame, but then that wouldnt be done by anyone who cheers for a politician who openly wooed murderers from Palestine and Northern Ireland.

Echo this statement. @ChopleyIOM , you've come in here and talked at length about the deplorable things that the Tories have done and said and yet you defend someone acting stupidly just because it's someone you dislike. Regardless of how much you hate Farage (I hate him too for fairness) as pointed out, that drink could've been anything. Am pretty sure you'd have a difference response if that was Keir, Rayner or anyone else.

So when someone lobs a mojito over Diane Abbott (God forbid what anyone THAT incompentent is doing near the election is beyond me) we're allowed to celebrate?
 
Wow, straight from an actual real milkshake, to (imaginary) acid, to (pretend) supporting murderers and terrorists - quite the leap!

Farage had a milkshake thrown in his face, not acid, no murder, no nuclear bombs, no invoking of the apocalypse. A milkshake. The only damage done was a bit of injured pride and a dry cleaning bill.

Is it nice to throw a milkshake in someone's face? No.
Is it legal to throw a milkshake in someone's face? No.

And guess what, the lass who threw the milkshake was arrested and will be dealt with via our legal system, which is the correct course of action. (Although given what's left of our legal system after 14 years of Tory rule, it'll probably be five years before the case goes to court.)
 
Wow, straight from an actual real milkshake, to (imaginary) acid, to (pretend) supporting murderers and terrorists - quite the leap!

Farage had a milkshake thrown in his face, not acid, no murder, no nuclear bombs, no invoking of the apocalypse. A milkshake. The only damage done was a bit of injured pride and a dry cleaning bill.

Is it nice to throw a milkshake in someone's face? No.
Is it legal to throw a milkshake in someone's face? No.

And guess what, the lass who threw the milkshake was arrested and will be dealt with via our legal system, which is the correct course of action. (Although given what's left of our legal system after 14 years of Tory rule, it'll probably be five years before the case goes to court.)
Completely and utterly ignoring the point, a politician was attacked in public and you think its funny? Bet you thought it was great when the Tory MP was killed in his constituency office because you didnt agree with his politics.
An embarrassing reply from someone who obviously thinks its ok to attack politicians not on his favoured wing, who then says everyone else is wrong to think its a big deal.
 
Wow, straight from an actual real milkshake, to (imaginary) acid, to (pretend) supporting murderers and terrorists - quite the leap!

Farage had a milkshake thrown in his face, not acid, no murder, no nuclear bombs, no invoking of the apocalypse. A milkshake. The only damage done was a bit of injured pride and a dry cleaning bill.

Is it nice to throw a milkshake in someone's face? No.
Is it legal to throw a milkshake in someone's face? No.

And guess what, the lass who threw the milkshake was arrested and will be dealt with via our legal system, which is the correct course of action. (Although given what's left of our legal system after 14 years of Tory rule, it'll probably be five years before the case goes to court.)

Christ and here I thought you didn't like Rishi, certainly know how to take from the playbook and completely and utterly avoid the point.

If you're saying it's fair game to throw milkshakes over charlatans and liars then by all means there's enough of the past and current Labour party that need lining up and dunking.
 
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Christ and here I thought you didn't like Rishi, certainly know how to take from the playbook and completely and utterly avoid the point.

If you're saying it's fair game to throw milkshakes over charlatans and liars then by all means there's enough of the past and current Labour party that need lining up and dunking.
Completely and utterly ignoring the point, a politician was attacked in public and you think its funny? Bet you thought it was great when the Tory MP was killed in his constituency office because you didnt agree with his politics.
An embarrassing reply from someone who obviously thinks its ok to attack politicians not on his favoured wing, who then says everyone else is wrong to think its a big deal.

And we're straight back to murder... Specifically that I 'must have thought it was great' when David Amess was murdered, which is a pretty wild (and completely wrong) claim. (I can also remember his name, rather than him just being 'the Tory MP').

Anyway, for the avoidance of doubt, no I don't think it's OK or 'fair game' to chuck things at politicians, even something as benign as a milkshake, and whatever the politician's political affiliation might be. In the case of Farage - who I have a deep loathing for due to him being a thoroughly corrosive, divisive, racist individual who Brexit wouldn't have happened without (the very same Brexit he is now saying 'not me guv'nor' about and insisting it was just done wrong) - I do personally find it quite amusing to see a picture of a banana milkshake covering his face, but I'll put that down to a weakness on my part.

As noted, the lass who chucked the milkshake has been arrested, which as I already said above, is the correct thing to have happened, you can't chuck milkshakes at other people with impunity, it's not nice, as I also already said above.

So no, I am not condoning, advocating for, or justifying chucking things at politicians, it's not how politics should be conducted in a peaceful democracy, and anyone who does it should expect to find themselves on the wrong side of the police and an arrest.
 
And we're straight back to murder... Specifically that I 'must have thought it was great' when David Amess was murdered, which is a pretty wild (and completely wrong) claim. (I can also remember his name, rather than him just being 'the Tory MP').

Anyway, for the avoidance of doubt, no I don't think it's OK or 'fair game' to chuck things at politicians, even something as benign as a milkshake, and whatever the politician's political affiliation might be. In the case of Farage - who I have a deep loathing for due to him being a thoroughly corrosive, divisive, racist individual who Brexit wouldn't have happened without (the very same Brexit he is now saying 'not me guv'nor' about and insisting it was just done wrong) - I do personally find it quite amusing to see a picture of a banana milkshake covering his face, but I'll put that down to a weakness on my part.

As noted, the lass who chucked the milkshake has been arrested, which as I already said above, is the correct thing to have happened, you can't chuck milkshakes at other people with impunity, it's not nice, as I also already said above.

So no, I am not condoning, advocating for, or justifying chucking things at politicians, it's not how politics should be conducted in a peaceful democracy, and anyone who does it should expect to find themselves on the wrong side of the police and an arrest.
What about Joanne Cox? Only that time is wasn't a milkshake she was attacked with...
 
Pretty irrelevant if it's acid or a McFlurry, the fact any politician, of any persuasion, is having things threw at them is pretty deplorable. Especially at this time when we're trying to convince people to go into politics and the Speaker of the House had his arse handed to him over his actions regarding political safety

I'm not a fan of Farage/Brexit but it's always folly to pin the 'blame' on him, rather than look inward (ie the left) and ask: what/how is he tapping into in terms of a national psyche and countering? Why is our own left leaning media not providing sufficient challenge to pull folk the other way. If you do that then you don't need to label him a charlatan (which i think he is btw), the electorate do that for you.
 
Well we've all seen the polls right?

Considering what Starmer picked up in the wake of the 2019 general election wipeout, I'd say he's done a remarkable job of making Labour electable again. Their support is 'soft' it's true, but considering the debasement of politics in general over the last few years, the serious decline of which started in 2016 with the gargantuan lies of the Brexit referendum IMO, I don't think we can hold that against him.

Farage is a one-trick pony, he's done his trick now, everyone can see it's a really shit trick, and it's hardly fooled anyone. He'll bump along with a share of the vote somewhere around 10-15%, the Brexit diehards who are clinging onto the notion that Brexit just wasn't done properly and are happy with the idea of an 'immigration election', but he's hardly galvanized mass support, has he?

The only demographic the Tories are in the lead with are the over-65s, which is a fucking astounding statistic when you think about it, and as Rory Stewart has been noting recently, that's a problem that's only going to get worse for the Tories as those people disappear from the electorate.

So to answer your question, neither Farage or the Tories are much tapping into the national psyche, insofar as the next election is looking like wipeout for the Tories and not much more than a ripple for Reform. Let's not forget this is the EIGHTH time that Farage has run for parliament, so far he hasn't succeeded in getting elected once, maybe this time will be the charm, we'll see.

He's a populist charlatan gobshite, and a substantial proportion of the British people have always had his card marked as such (hence his seven failed election attempts, including the one where he got beaten by a bloke dressed as a dolphin).

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Well we've all seen the polls right?

Considering what Starmer picked up in the wake of the 2019 general election wipeout, I'd say he's done a remarkable job of making Labour electable again. Their support is 'soft' it's true, but considering the debasement of politics in general over the last few years, the serious decline of which started in 2016 with the gargantuan lies of the Brexit referendum IMO, I don't think we can hold that against him.

Farage is a one-trick pony, he's done his trick now, everyone can see it's a really shit trick, and it's hardly fooled anyone. He'll bump along with a share of the vote somewhere around 10-15%, the Brexit diehards who are clinging onto the notion that Brexit just wasn't done properly and are happy with the idea of an 'immigration election', but he's hardly galvanized mass support, has he?

The only demographic the Tories are in the lead with are the over-65s, which is a fucking astounding statistic when you think about it, and as Rory Stewart has been noting recently, that's a problem that's only going to get worse for the Tories as those people disappear from the electorate.

So to answer your question, neither Farage or the Tories are much tapping into the national psyche, insofar as the next election is looking like wipeout for the Tories and not much more than a ripple for Reform. Let's not forget this is the EIGHTH time that Farage has run for parliament, so far he hasn't succeeded in getting elected once, maybe this time will be the charm, we'll see.

He's a populist charlatan gobshite, and a substantial proportion of the British people have always had his card marked as such (hence his seven failed election attempts, including the one where he got beaten by a bloke dressed as a dolphin).

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The Tory’s have been in self destruct for the last few years and Reform will also drag votes away from them so it will be pretty shocking if Labour have any less than a 100 Seat majority.
Thank fuck that moron Jeremy Corbyn has been kicked into touch and the left is being marginalised because the last thank the UK needs now is the looney left in charge.
Time will tell how good the next labour government will be but they have a free run for at least the next 5 years so they will have ample opportunity to turn the words into actions but more likely than not they will prove to be full of hot air as well.
 
Considering what Starmer picked up in the wake of the 2019 general election wipeout, I'd say he's done a remarkable job of making Labour electable again.

He's done fuck-all apart from expel a couple of extreme left wingers and keep his head down, while the Tories self destructed.

God preserve us from 5 years of listening to that sanctimonious, nasal whine.
 
He's done fuck-all apart from expel a couple of extreme left wingers and keep his head down, while the Tories self destructed.

God preserve us from 5 years of listening to that sanctimonious, nasal whine.

But that's patently not true, he's ripped up pretty much the entire Labour manifesto from 2019, much to the chagrin of lefties such as myself, Mrs Chopley was so irked she quit the party.

He's also done a merciless reorganisation of the party internally, at every level, and blocked huge numbers of leftwing candidates from standing for all kinds of spurious reasons.

Yes there has been an element of letting the Tories get on with ripping themselves to pieces, as the Brexit lies started to come home to roost and the various nutcase factions within the party commenced fighting like ferrets in a sack, but he's also made very sure that Labour was 'battle ready' for the election when it was finally announced.

He's also 'de-weaponised' Labour to the extent that the rightwing press is finding it very hard to come up with attack lines, witness their desperate scrabble to pin something on Rayner with her capital gains tax (which failed), 'Sir Beer Korma' (also failed) and most recently the notion that we're going to have blackouts under Labour (which will also fail, not least because people are looking at the Tory privatised utilities and seeing a completely busted flush).

It you really think that's 'done fuck-all' then hey, you do you, man :)

And for completeness, I don't like Starmer or what he's done to party - JEZZA JEZZA JEZZA - but in terms of winning an election, he's certainly done the business.

Look at the Torygraph front page today, this is desperate, desperate stuff, less than a month away from a general election, and this is the best that they can manage. As much as I love dear old UNCLE JEREMY, the rightwing press had an endless field day with him, Starmer has completely denied the rightwing press that.

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The Tory’s have been in self destruct for the last few years and Reform will also drag votes away from them so it will be pretty shocking if Labour have any less than a 100 Seat majority.
Thank fuck that moron Jeremy Corbyn has been kicked into touch and the left is being marginalised because the last thank the UK needs now is the looney left in charge.
Time will tell how good the next labour government will be but they have a free run for at least the next 5 years so they will have ample opportunity to turn the words into actions but more likely than not they will prove to be full of hot air as well.
Well, this is the thing: the real Litmus test will be 5 years of what i envisage very little progress (some valid, some not so valid) - the real test for Starmer comes from within the Party in that time, as you get the sense Angela R's supporters will start circling him at some point.

Personally, i don't get how you can be a real leftist and support his Party (aka like Jones) as, whilst Chopley uses de-weaponised (which i agree with as the Tory supporters are struggling to pin the Corbyn badge on him), it's more de-lefted.

One thing i do give Corbyn - at least he was, undirected as it was, principled to an extent (or dogmatic), Starmer buckled just the other day over Abbot.
 
Boris Johnson, who appears to have been dragged through the hedge he's sitting in front of, threatening the people of the UK with a good time. I'm not sure that 'Starmer will do what a clear majority of people in the UK now want to happen' is quite the attack line he and The Doolally Mail think it is.



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Chopley, looking at the bbc's coverage of the EU elections, there seems to be a farage effect going on, populist right parties gaining seats.

For one man carrying ukip and now reform into public awareness, he's not done too bad for a so-called populist charlatan.

I suspect the labour left feel starmer is a charlatan, maybe even leaning into populist talking points himself.
 
Chopley, looking at the bbc's coverage of the EU elections, there seems to be a farage effect going on, populist right parties gaining seats.

For one man carrying ukip and now reform into public awareness, he's not done too bad for a so-called populist charlatan.

I suspect the labour left feel starmer is a charlatan, maybe even leaning into populist talking points himself.
If you go back to the Cameron administration, 10 plus years ago, you had old Dave calling him/UKIP looney tunes....

Fast forward and he has the PM (albeit useless Sunak) barely putting a cigarette paper between them with Coutts bank etc - quite the turnaround, as well as the fact he essentially was the architect to Brexit.

In terms of failing to be elected - True, but times have very much changed in politics since his last real pasting (shifts to the right, the rise of populism etc).

Plus, some of the electorate are mad enough to elect people like Galloway :p

If Starmer isn't validation of Icke's lizard people conspiracy, i don't know what is
 
Chopley, looking at the bbc's coverage of the EU elections, there seems to be a farage effect going on, populist right parties gaining seats.

For one man carrying ukip and now reform into public awareness, he's not done too bad for a so-called populist charlatan.

I suspect the labour left feel starmer is a charlatan, maybe even leaning into populist talking points himself.
What's interesting is the differences in the voting intentions of the various demographics - I was reading a while ago that one of the existential crises that the right will have in the UK is that younger voters, who typically start off left but drift right in their 40's onwards ( possibly due to getting the house/the job and wanting to 'protect' that), is changing with them being permanently left as they get older.

Certainly in Scotland that seems to be the case (broad brush wise) but when you look in Europe, you even have decent chunks of younger voters in France/Holland who are starting off right.

Certainly seems anti immigration, anti green policies are chiming with the electorates across Europe.
 
Not a milkshake this time, looked a bit more solid, but sure it’s only Nigel Farage that it’s being thrown at and I’m sure some posters in this thread will think it’s just a laugh…
For clarity, I’m not a supporter of Farage and I’m not really enamoured with his politics but I believe the attitude of people who think it’s ok to do this is providing more ammunition for the far right.
 
'OK then Rishi, so far the election campaign has been an absolute clusterfuck, can you please just not say any more really stupid things, or some total horseshit that makes you sound like a completely out of touch rich guy who definitely shouldn't be in charge of the country for another five years'

'Yes I will do that'

A few minutes later.....

NO DISHY RISHI

The guy fucked off the D-Day commemoration for this interview.

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Is he a plant to destroy the Tories from within?

He's surely not this hard of thinking.

It's slightly mind-boggling how bad he is at this stuff, until you remember that he was one of those who survived Boris Johnson's great purge, when only TRUE BREXIT BELIEVERS were allowed to remain in the top jobs. Exit stage left a lot of the best and brightest Tory MPs, who wanted no part of Johnson's calamity-driven government and either fucked off of their own accord, or were demoted/sacked.

There's a straight line from the Brexit referendum in 2016, to the absolute collapse of the Tory Party here in the year 2024. When you predicate one of the most seismic changes to the UK's standing on the world stage in recent history, as well as one of the most monumental economic changes, on a total pack of lies as to what that change will mean, and those lies eventually get found out, this is what happens.

It can't have escaped anyone's attention that the Tories are desperate not to talk about Brexit during the campaign (even the occasional chatter around 'Brexit freedoms' has largely disappeared because everyone just falls about laughing), but remove Brexit from the equation, and what else do they have to show for fourteen years apart from a load of decline? Brexit is massively consequential, but in an entirely negative direction, so they have nothing of any merit to point to.

It'd be nice to see more moral courage from Labour and Starmer on Brexit, but electorally speaking I can understand it, it's entirely a shit sandwich of the Tories' creation so it makes sense to leave the Tories holding it, and having everyone say, 'Yeah we'll pass on the shit sandwiches thanks very much'.

It'd be funny if it weren't so tragic, the damage that this shower of cretins has inflicted on the UK over the last fourteen years is almost impossible to fathom.
 
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You got me Chop! I never realised when I posted that I was opening up pandora's Brexit box ?

As you know mack, it's not something I like to talk about if I can possibly avoid it, but I do occasionally mention it in passing if I feel it's the only possible course of action :D
 

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