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I wasn't gloating, I was just correcting your negative and hysterical assertion that we would be going short.
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A degree of supply chain disruption and shortages were predicted in the run up to Christmas, some of this did come to pass in some parts of the country, although in the main it was avoided, largely down to a sustained and massive effort on the part of the major supermarket chains. This did not come cheap, and those costs were passed onto the consumers.
Again though, it's still not exactly a Brexit win though, is it?
A Brexit that, increasingly, most people think was wrong to do in the first place, and has gone badly.
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Excellent news for Comrades Starmer and Rayner, next job, usurp the capitalist pigdogs and usher in the great glorious revolution.
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Starmer staying in post is the best bit of news the Tories have had all week.
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So there's this explanation..... Tinfoil hat establishment stitch up.
Or this one (from a lawyer who's been specialising in lockdown cases):
Or this one (from a lawyer who's been specialising in lockdown cases):
It's subjective nonsense without a shred of transparency or fairness. It boiled down to the police's interpretation of what was deemed 'reasonable', when everyone and their dog could see rules were flouted just as badly as with Partygate. Amazing how easily the narrative can be changed to suit one's own mistakes!
And from the 'lockdown lawyer' himself:
....people need to eat and even drink a beer with a curry when they are working all day, which is what was obviously happening....
Say what now?
And from the 'lockdown lawyer' himself:
....people need to eat and even drink a beer with a curry when they are working all day, which is what was obviously happening....
Say what now?
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It's subjective nonsense without a shred of transparency or fairness. It boiled down to the police's interpretation of what was deemed 'reasonable', when everyone and their dog could see rules were flouted just as badly as with Partygate. Amazing how easily the narrative can be changed to suit one's own mistakes!
And from the 'lockdown lawyer' himself:
....people need to eat and even drink a beer with a curry when they are working all day, which is what was obviously happening....
Say what now?
Just as badly as with Partygate? Really? That's the angle you're going with?
That guy has taken a lot of lockdown cases to court, and he's won them. He's said all along that the Partygate parties were clear breaches of the rules (he's surprised Johnson and others didn't get more FPNs), whereas Starmer's beer and curry would always be found to have been within the rules at the time.
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Here you go, Tilly has done it in five words.
Now you can debate as much as you want about how fair or unfair this might be, but that's not what the law deals in, the law deals in rules, and were the rules broken or not.
Johnson broke the rules and was fined, Starmer didn't and wasn't.
Now you can debate as much as you want about how fair or unfair this might be, but that's not what the law deals in, the law deals in rules, and were the rules broken or not.
Johnson broke the rules and was fined, Starmer didn't and wasn't.
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What about celebrating while you're having a working dinner? ?
Y'all 'Ready for Rishi'?
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'Being happy about something whilst at a work event' was not breaking the law, which is why Durham Police haven't issued an FPN.
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strange that he is talking heavily about being from a immigrant family, but has spent years agreeing with his own parties hostile policies on immigration.
And notice how quickly this super slick video was produced, or should I say, shown one day after Boris resigning! What is he, Steven Spielberg?
He's pretty much shown he's not to be trusted. If I was working with him I'd check my back every 15 minutes to see if he's stuck a knife in it!
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It won't help starmer win the public over if they think he's broken the rules and gotten away with it, as they would probably presume - remember sitting on a park bench in the fresh air could see you fined and everywhere, bar a few essential shops, was closed. Another case of rules for thee but not for me.
In normal times after a day out campaigning and canvassing yes they could all go for a curry and beer, but these were not normal times, we were in the midst of a deadly pandemic according to the authorities, and throughout the 2 years Labour wanted the govt to lockdown harder.
In normal times after a day out campaigning and canvassing yes they could all go for a curry and beer, but these were not normal times, we were in the midst of a deadly pandemic according to the authorities, and throughout the 2 years Labour wanted the govt to lockdown harder.
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It's almost as if Tory vultures are always lined up to feast upon their fallen 'comrades' as they spy a great opportunity to further enrich themselves and their chums.And notice how quickly this super slick video was produced, or should I say, shown one day after Boris resigning! What is he, Steven Spielberg?
He's pretty much shown he's not to be trusted. If I was working with him I'd check my back every 15 minutes to see if he's stuck a knife in it!
Whatever happens next, they'll win and you'll lose.
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Nadhim Zahawi has got to rank up there as an opportunistic rat, accepts the chancellorship from Boris and then tells him to resign the following day in a letter using his new treasury headed paper, the gall of it, he should be kicked out of the tory party.
The fact that Nadine 'dipshit' Dorries is a viable leadership candidate is enough to send the frighteners up people. She probably thinks she's entering a Battleship tournament 
She also wants to keep the Boris 'legacy' aflame, such is her devotion ?
She also wants to keep the Boris 'legacy' aflame, such is her devotion ?
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Seems like Rishi had an idea 6 months ago there might be a vacancy he was interested in.
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When did partygate (god i hate that word) happen?
I have not exactly followed the events, but wasnt Rishi there aswell?
Maybe not the best guy to 'build back trust' if he also was part of the people lying about it calling it a work event etc.
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Not sure myself, someone on twitter said the pics of boris in the garden party at no10 downing street had been taken from an upstairs window at Rishi's no11 next door, don't know if that is true but an interesting theory.
I can't remember the saying but something along the lines of 'the person least suitable for power is the one who craves getting it the most'.
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People will soon realise that they've been had with this whole thing, if they haven't already realised.
The only people soon to be rejoicing will be remainers. This whole fiasco has been an agenda driven crusade underpinned by Brexit at its heart. It was obvious all along but it's more than obvious now. You can bet you're bottom dollar that a remain supporting PM is installed and the cabinet will be filled with remain supporting MPs. They failed to shaft the Brexit supporters in 2019 but they'll have another go now.
The issue is there's no safe political direction to turn if you are a Brexiteer. FPTP ensures that a vote for someone like Farage (if he was to stand again) is wasted.
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Fixed (no pun intended)
They say 24 hours is a long time in politics. Ask Neil Kinnock after the Sun printed the infamous front page on GE 2012 Day.
With Beer Starmer and Angela Grater at the helm with their obsession with pronouns, race baiting and anti-semitism,
you've got a good 2 and a half years to totally dick this open goal up by......well, just being Labour, an equally unappealing arse cheek of a UK political party.
Here's a pro tip. Start by getting members of the parliamentary party to give a quick and straight answer to the following question....
What is a woman?
And here you join us at LieBore HQ, where Andrew Neil has just asked Labour MPs (some of whom are ACTUAL WOMEN!!) what a woman is.....
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What about say 2 years of military rule and suspend parliament while all the parties try and develop or obtain some vaguely credible or competent candidates? A kind of interim administration?
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Actual excerpt from a WhatsApp group I'm a member of, yesterday afternoon.Fixed (no pun intended)
They say 24 hours is a long time in politics. Ask Neil Kinnock after the Sun printed the infamous front page on GE 2012 Day.
With Beer Starmer and Angela Grater at the helm with their obsession with pronouns, race baiting and anti-semitism,
you've got a good 2 and a half years to totally dick this open goal up by......well, just being Labour, an equally unappealing arse cheek of a UK political party.
Here's a pro tip. Start by getting members of the parliamentary party to give a quick and straight answer to the following question....
What is a woman?
And here you join us at LieBore HQ, where Andrew Neil has just asked Labour MPs (some of whom are ACTUAL WOMEN!!) what a woman is.....View attachment 169797View attachment 169798View attachment 169799
Obviously I need to update things to account for the 'funny' names now being used for Starmer and Rayner, as Corbin and Flabbott are out of date.
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Nine front pages the Mail ran, and at the end of it all Starmer didn't even get a fine.
Here's the secret bit, he didn't get a fine because he didn't break the law.
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Well if this does happen, it will be excellent news.
Brexit has had its chance, and it's fucked it. It's fucked it so hard that there's a crater five miles wide where the fucking took place.
If Brexit were a dog, it would have put down by now to put it out of its misery, and to give the people watching the dog suffer some chance of relief.
It's delivered nothing, the square root of absolutely fuck all, not one single thing it promised has come to pass, and it never will, because it's broken by design. The only thing Brexit has managed to deliver, and deliver with startling vigour, is Project Fear, now rebranded to Project We Fucking Said It Would Be Like This All Along.
However we need to remember that the next Tory leader has to be voted on by the Tory party membership, which is comprised largely of racist pensioners who want their triple-lock and fuck everyone else, especially those funny foreign types.
As such I fear that the candidates will all be falling over themselves to demonstrate their Brexity credentials, given the electoral cohort that will ultimately be passing judgement on them.
ONWARD TO THE GLORIOUS BREXIT FUTURE, which is just around the next corner, honest. Any time now. Soon. I promise. Eventually.
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Well as the old saying goes, there's no cure for stupid. If I advise someone who doesn't believe in gravity that stepping off the top of a block of flats will kill them, and they inform me that they think gravity is Project Fear, step off and fall to their death, then I all I can say is I tried my best.
(Also, you have to remember that Starmer's beer and curry took place in one of the later, less restrictive lockdowns, the rules were different to the earlier ones.)
The police have investigated the shit out of this, knowing that the full glare of the country would be upon them when they eventually passed their verdict (and also knowing full well that The Mail would go into hysterics if they found no wrongdoing was committed), as such, I'd say we can be pretty confident in the verdict that they've reached.
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A curry meal and alcoholic drinks at 9pm with 20-30 people was deemed 'reasonably necessary for work', Starmer could have eaten where he was staying at his hotel, and the others at theirs or back home if locals.
Common sense alone would query the interpretation, slim technicality at best when family members weren't even allowed to visit each other, 'the law is an ass' would seem a very good fit here.
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Hot take, turns out, for a change (lol), it's someone else's fault.
I guess it was the 'Boris Bashing Corporation' that were telling lies about knowingly hiring a sexual predator.
I guess it was the 'Boris Bashing Corporation' that were telling lies about knowingly hiring a sexual predator.
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Wallace rules himself out, probably because he's smart enough to not want to inherit the absolute shitshow that Johnson has bequeathed to the next incumbent.
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He's simply making a clearer path for Rishi etc..as Wallace would be popular with the member's vote.
This below feels like an accurate take, he will just go along with whatever agenda the WEF want to push, and he ticks the box for the 'progessive' UK image. Wallace would have more traditional gravitas, but the runners and riders being offered up represent a very narrow selection of 'conservative' candidates in reality.
This below feels like an accurate take, he will just go along with whatever agenda the WEF want to push, and he ticks the box for the 'progessive' UK image. Wallace would have more traditional gravitas, but the runners and riders being offered up represent a very narrow selection of 'conservative' candidates in reality.
Wallace beating a hasty retreat has basically handed Sunak the leadership, with Pretty Penny the only viable challenger.
Tugendhat still in there but don't rule out Javid making a late swoop to steal the 'prize' from under the nose of his co-conspirator buddy Rishi!
Just not Liz Truss, please. By all the gods, just not her ?
Tugendhat still in there but don't rule out Javid making a late swoop to steal the 'prize' from under the nose of his co-conspirator buddy Rishi!
Just not Liz Truss, please. By all the gods, just not her ?
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Yes, that's the judgement the police made during their investigation, that the event fell under the work exception.
Starmer had already said he would resign if fined (something Johnson signally failed to do, even when he was actually fined), he wasn't fined, so he remains Labour leader, it's a pretty straightforward chain of events.
What Starmer could or couldn't have done, in your opinion, is not relevant to the facts of the case.
Johnson's behaviour was unlawful, Starmer's was lawful.
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Law is interpretation, mine is that it was not reasonably necessary, esp when viewed within the general high level of restrictions on the public.
Of course what I say has no bearing on the case; being smug and self-virtuous about being cleared etc.. will also not help starmer.
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I haven't seen Starmer being smug and self-virtuous about it.
There's nothing black and white about it, it was completely subjective. I wonder how well the decision had been received if Johnson & pals had been let off whilst Starmer wasn't.
Fact is we can go around calling it whatever we choose to, because as we know, changing language is a popular tool when caught out. It's not a social gathering, it's a work event! We weren't getting rat-assed, we had drinks to accompany curry! It was curry night you see! At 'work!!
I loathe both parties and their leaders, but this decision's farcical, and I think the electorate can see that for themselves. Funny thing being, Labour have fooled themselves into believing that the public will wave this away, but chances are, they're more likely to NOT vote Labour at the next G.E.
Because for all the Tory-weariness they have, I suspect they'd rather 'accept' a wrongdoing, with mistakes acknowledged, than a Labour-influenced 'Durham Police' back-slapping exercise. You ain't seen me, roight?
This has more whiff of a carefully orchestrated coup than a County Durham fayre exoneration contest, and the seeds of discontent long-sown months ago, to rid the country of Mr Brexit himself. Naysayers can call it any name under the sun, but it was, simply put, a Remainer coup, a Lefty launch to pave the way towards Brentry.
I believe Labour are in denial if they think this is their moment to shine. I think the upcoming G.E will reflect that
Fact is we can go around calling it whatever we choose to, because as we know, changing language is a popular tool when caught out. It's not a social gathering, it's a work event! We weren't getting rat-assed, we had drinks to accompany curry! It was curry night you see! At 'work!!
I loathe both parties and their leaders, but this decision's farcical, and I think the electorate can see that for themselves. Funny thing being, Labour have fooled themselves into believing that the public will wave this away, but chances are, they're more likely to NOT vote Labour at the next G.E.
Because for all the Tory-weariness they have, I suspect they'd rather 'accept' a wrongdoing, with mistakes acknowledged, than a Labour-influenced 'Durham Police' back-slapping exercise. You ain't seen me, roight?
This has more whiff of a carefully orchestrated coup than a County Durham fayre exoneration contest, and the seeds of discontent long-sown months ago, to rid the country of Mr Brexit himself. Naysayers can call it any name under the sun, but it was, simply put, a Remainer coup, a Lefty launch to pave the way towards Brentry.
I believe Labour are in denial if they think this is their moment to shine. I think the upcoming G.E will reflect that
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He's smug about being cleared and self-virtuous about his integrity in relation to this event etc...while relying on loopholes, how does a curry and beer at 9pm relate to work
I have no defence for Boris seeing as he made and imposed the blinking rules, his fault was greater, if the tories had rebelled on that it would've been more principled and relevant than this pincher excuse. You described him as a sexual predator then imo he shouldn't even be a sitting MP, certainly not for a supposedly conservative govt.
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There's nothing black and white about it, it was completely subjective. I wonder how well the decision had been received if Johnson & pals had been let off whilst Starmer wasn't.
Fact is we can go around calling it whatever we choose to, because as we know, changing language is a popular tool when caught out. It's not a social gathering, it's a work event! We weren't getting rat-assed, we had drinks to accompany curry! It was curry night you see! At 'work!!
I loathe both parties and their leaders, but this decision's farcical, and I think the electorate can see that for themselves. Funny thing being, Labour have fooled themselves into believing that the public will wave this away, but chances are, they're more likely to NOT vote Labour at the next G.E.
Because for all the Tory-weariness they have, I suspect they'd rather 'accept' a wrongdoing, with mistakes acknowledged, than a Labour-influenced 'Durham Police' back-slapping exercise. You ain't seen me, roight?
This has more whiff of a carefully orchestrated coup than a County Durham fayre exoneration contest, and the seeds of discontent long-sown months ago, to rid the country of Mr Brexit himself. Naysayers can call it any name under the sun, but it was, simply put, a Remainer coup, a Lefty launch to pave the way towards Brentry.
I believe Labour are in denial if they think this is their moment to shine. I think the upcoming G.E will reflect that
Remainer coup! Lefty Launch! Police corruption!
I've never known a more paranoid, miserable bunch of winners than those who voted Leave.
Now that the wheels are visibly, objectively, and comprehensively falling off the Brexit wagon, to the extent that it simply cannot be denied, all that's left to do is look for new boogeymen, new enemies, new threats to the greatness of Brexit, because the horrible truth that can never be accepted is that Brexit is a big pile of shit.
So instead we have what are essentially allegations of police corruption, made without any evidence whatsoever, that the Durham police verdict on Starmer is some sort of stitch-up, and part of a wider Remainer plot.
Getting rid of Johnson is now some sort of 'Remainer Lefty coup' when it was literally the Tories getting rid of their own lying, corrupt, scumbag leader because he was leading them down the path to electoral destruction.
Conspiracies everywhere, sinister forces working behind the scenes, always some dark hand at play messing up what would otherwise be a great Brexit, and Bonanza is compensated, never ask for any proof that Bonanza is compensated, it just is, right? It's the same mindset.
The obvious, factual answer here is that Johnson broke the law and Starmer didn't, which is why they did and didn't get fined respectively.
You can think the lockdown laws were deeply unfair and a big pile of crap, you can think that some of the whopping fines handed out to ordinary people for minor transgressions were wildly disproportionate (I certainly do), but none of that changes the fact that Johnson's behaviour was found, after a police investigation, to be unlawful, and Starmer's wasn't.
If you look at that and see a 'Remainer coup', then yes, you must keep the sanctity of Brexit close to your chest, lest it be wrested away from you.
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You lost mate, we left the E-USSR. Like Corbyn lost and left. No amount of pissing, vitriol and dummy throwing will change that fact. Che is dead - get over it.
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That would be funny as fuck if he actually did it.
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It's not like I'm losing sleep over it or anything, but I will continue to observe and point out what a massive pile of festering shite Brexit has turned out to be.
The way to repair terrible mistakes is to learn from them, and do better next time.
In time, the young will fix it.
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Choppers your Brexit posts sound more and more like the ramblings of Father Jack every day - thoroughly entertaining and delusional, keep em' coming!
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Haha, very good - never heard of "If you're not voting Labour at 20 you haven't got a heart, if you're not voting Tory at 40 you haven't got a brain.."Your graph fully endorses that old political saying.
I reckon the top demographic there was polled from the stoners at Glastonbury a few years ago singing "Whooaaa Jeremy Corbynnnn.." Oh yeah, he got LieBore their worst beating at the polls in nearly a century.
I think those in touch with reality are far more concerned with rising food and fuel prices and the resulting inflation my friend. Caused by war and Covid. Same, even worse in fact, throughout the EU. I just been there. It's not looking good, and there's fuck-all the EU can do about it.
I can see Chopley's vision for 2020's UK.
Smoking factories employing 3,000 men, all recruited from the recent cross-channel invaders, churning out the new version of the Austin Allegro at the rate of 4 per week (when they can actually get to work if the trains aren't on strike, or the power isn't off for the day) which are eagerly bought by the Germans now we're back in the EU. Eager Britons spending their euros on imported beer and cheese and queueing for their petrol ration to power their takeaway delivery tuk-tuks, cycle taxis in London festooned with neon lights taking tourists to the statue of M*rx and Uber-Mayor Saddam Khan extolling the dynamic vibrancy of our capital as the flying pickets part to let him through to the podium. Mobs whipped up by Diane Abacus looting private residences and taking occupancy of them at the expense of those vile c***s who have worked hard and done well, the capitalist pigs...(goes on for another 94 paragraphs...)
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And that in itself should be very concerning. Why are some of these people (people in the party that some on here call the ‘nasty party’) so hellbent on getting us back in the EU??There's nothing black and white about it, it was completely subjective. I wonder how well the decision had been received if Johnson & pals had been let off whilst Starmer wasn't.
Fact is we can go around calling it whatever we choose to, because as we know, changing language is a popular tool when caught out. It's not a social gathering, it's a work event! We weren't getting rat-assed, we had drinks to accompany curry! It was curry night you see! At 'work!!
I loathe both parties and their leaders, but this decision's farcical, and I think the electorate can see that for themselves. Funny thing being, Labour have fooled themselves into believing that the public will wave this away, but chances are, they're more likely to NOT vote Labour at the next G.E.
Because for all the Tory-weariness they have, I suspect they'd rather 'accept' a wrongdoing, with mistakes acknowledged, than a Labour-influenced 'Durham Police' back-slapping exercise. You ain't seen me, roight?
This has more whiff of a carefully orchestrated coup than a County Durham fayre exoneration contest, and the seeds of discontent long-sown months ago, to rid the country of Mr Brexit himself. Naysayers can call it any name under the sun, but it was, simply put, a Remainer coup, a Lefty launch to pave the way towards Brentry.
I believe Labour are in denial if they think this is their moment to shine. I think the upcoming G.E will reflect that
Don’t know about you but I can whiff a gravy train.
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