General Election 2019 thread

[mack341]

Typical BBC

 

[goatwack]

Problem for the electorate is that they don't recognize the current Tory party either, who have now morphed into the Labour-esque tax- raising Green Party

 

[goatwack]

Bugger. He was just passing comment on

"In benefit of hindsight, I see that this appointment was...."

and then the transmission cut out!

 

[Webzcas]

Anyone watching the liaison committee? I am very nearly, but not quite, feeling sorry for him

 

[mack341]

Problem for the electorate is that they don't recognize the current Tory party either, who have now morphed into the Labour-esque tax- raising Green Party

Very true, and if it was simply about having a more conservative approach, more heavyweights [if they exist] in the right cabinet roles, and Boris is blocking this, I'd be more keen to see him go. I'm undecided at the moment, and who do the resigners want as PM, if they're intent to see him go then they should have a solid idea on who they want to replace him with. [even a shortlist]

 

[goatwack]

Anyone watching the liaison committee? I am very nearly, but not quite, feeling sorry for him

Never heard of it. Is it good?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Apparently most of those resigning were remainers, I still think it's a possible background reason. Remainers are certainly rejoicing at the thought of Boris going, think that is fair to say.

The tories had an 80 seat majority, david cameron & may had 12 seats something like that, he's got a bit of leeway on the potential of a general election defeat, just look at the opposition, no way does the british public want an openly woke labour party in power, going on about pronouns and gender etc..

Of course it’s a reason. Boris as PM always had a shelf life after he took us out of the EU. He put A LOT of noses out of joint and had people gunning for him from the get go. There was a narrative set about him from day 1.

Quite frankly he had to be squeaky squeaky clean in order to fend off the inevitable vultures. Something I don’t think any PM has ever been in history.

 

[pinnit2014]

To be fair - he's kind of loaded the guns for them, even if so.

 

[goatwack]

He's squirming so badly, and is being posed a lot of questions about his previous quotes, with Boris having a real aversion to answering yes or no

If someone asked him his name right now they'd likely be met with

"Well, you see, it may have been ascribed to me in previous statements, but I can't recall the exact times and dates"

 

[pinnit2014]

He really is an inspiration to kids - not because of the apprentice schemes etc but the fact; you can be like me and still make it

If Mr Bean had penchant for carbs i think this is what it'd look like

 

[goatwack]

Oof. This matron's bashing the crap out of him

 

[goatwack]

"I do think there is a problem with....alcohol"

 

[pinnit2014]

There's not enough of it to run a country?

 

[goatwack]

Well that was fun, but the show's over

When asked if he'd lost the trust of his MPs and a Leadership Contest were to emerge, would he resign etc

Lots of bravado but basically 'nope!'

 

[slot_zombie]

"Zahawi is about to tell PM to resign".

?

 

[mack341]

BBC:

1. A group of cabinet ministers, including the chief whip, are about to tell the PM to resign, BBC News understands
2. Nadhim Zahawi, only yesterday appointed as chancellor, is believed to be among them - as are Transport Secretary Grant Shapps and NI Secretary Brandon Lewis
3. MPs are angry at Johnson's handling of sexual misconduct claims against former deputy chief whip Chris Pincher

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Got to be more to it, if this Pincher was that bad he should've lost his seat and been kicked out of the HOC, can hardly say no he's not fit to be a whip because of '***!' but it's fine for him to carry on as an MP

The reasons are key here, but it looks like Boris will have to go, just hope his replacement is better.

 

[pinnit2014]

Thanks for the job yesterday

Any other business? Yeah, would you mind leaving?

 

[goatwack]

Quit Squad lying in wait.....

Worth considering that some of the fringe cabinet members didn't quit purely out of principle, I imagine they knew the game was up, and their current jobs untenable once a new leader takes the reins.

Would be far better if the ministers about to tell Boris to f*** off had changed the locks, as the world's Press captures a man desperately trying to open the door

 

[interlog]

I've had moments of calling boris all the names under the sun, however presently something doesn't sit right for me with this mass resignation ploy.

They were okay to carry on after the lockdown party stuff came out and the reports on that, then boris won his vote of confidence, then they lost a few [2?] by-elections and then they discovered a gay groper amongst the ranks

I suspect something else must be going on, remainers who don't like the plans to change the NI protocol, or these MPs don't like carrie having too much input, or Boris won't be able to enforce future lockdowns due to not having followed the last ones, there's got to be a catalyst we're not seeing or hearing about. [imo]

This happens in politics quite often. Build up a lot of evidence and then release it when the time is right to oust whoever you want to damage.

Once he is gone, the table will turn on the Labour party. There is bound to be some skeletons in the cupboard that people know about, ready for release when the time is right

 

[slot_zombie]

Ah, what a load of idiots.

(Continues to track developments, and passes comment, via a casino message board. Sees no irony.)

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Boris could cause major mayhem to the Tory party here if he wanted. In theory he could boot out every MP so they cannot vote in a vote of no confidence. It depends what lengths he wants to go to.

The overarching fact is he has 2 years of term left.

That being said, I think ultimately he’ll resign.

 

[goatwack]

He could walk into Downing St and demote Zahawi to the Wales Office, on the spot. That would be great leadership

 

[goatwack]

Nadine Dorries is like s Stepford Wife at this point. Her slabbering devotion's getting nauseating, as she reiterates that he won't resign.

What a tool

 

[goatwack]

The resignation counter's on 38 MPs everybody. Thirty-eight

 

[mack341]

The resignation counter's on 38 MPs everybody. Thirty-eight

Doesn't seem like that much really, there's 340 tory MPs, so 1 in 10.

It'll be funny in a way if this coup fails, and the majority of tories turn on the rebels, I'm not Bojo's biggest fan and had my doubts from day 1 about his suitabilty, but this kind of co-ordinated, using the media, coup doesn't sit right as the way to change PM [still popular with lots of the public too in reality]

 

[goatwack]

Doesn't seem like that much really, there's 340 tory MPs, so 1 in 10.

It'll be funny in a way if this coup fails, and the majority of tories turn on the rebels, I'm not Bojo's biggest fan and had my doubts from day 1 about his suitabilty, but this kind of co-ordinated, using the media, coup doesn't sit right as the way to change PM [still popular with lots of the public too in reality]

I think he can smell a coup, and when asked earlier whether he would do x y z if these things happened in this order, he would have been all too aware that giving direct answers to those types of questions would set some sort of precedent for leadership change, e.g if enough people decided to oust you because they simply don't like you.

Chances are it was a long time in the making, and from his point of view, he'll see it as a chance to eliminate those MPs from his circle. At the point he genuinely believes he's truly lost the trust of the party, then there's every chance he'll make way. But as it stands, it's like you say, just some rebels that are showing their hand....

 

[Kroffe]

Doesn't seem like that much really, there's 340 tory MPs, so 1 in 10.

It'll be funny in a way if this coup fails, and the majority of tories turn on the rebels, I'm not Bojo's biggest fan and had my doubts from day 1 about his suitabilty, but this kind of co-ordinated, using the media, coup doesn't sit right as the way to change PM [still popular with lots of the public too in reality]

Wasnt it like 35-40% frrom the tories that voted against him in the no confidence vote?
Thats slightly more than 1 in 10 having lost faith in him.

Sure, only 10% are willing to quit to make their point, but imo that only shows the lack of backbone in the other 30% that voted against him.

 

[goatwack]

 

[slot_zombie]

Wasnt it like 35-40% frrom the tories that voted against him in the no confidence vote?
Thats slightly more than 1 in 10 having lost faith in him.

Sure, only 10% are willing to quit to make their point, but imo that only shows the lack of backbone in the other 30% that voted against him.

Now you're just reducing the RTB%

 

[Kroffe]

Now you're just reducing the RTB%

Boris sets his own Return To Boris %, im not the one that reduced it, he did.
Now hes down at scratchie rtb% and just like Videoslots he pretends everything is fine like that.

 

[goatwack]

Sky News understands that Boris Johnson will not resign

 

[Kroffe]

Sky News understands that Boris Johnson will not resign

Captain material.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Sky News understands that Boris Johnson will not resign

It’s obvious he won’t. And he doesn’t need to. Just as there’s nothing saying we must resign from our jobs. Resigning is voluntary.

In some way it’s admirable in as much as he’s not running away spinelessly like most do.

As I said, he could make this very ugly for the party.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Sky News understands that Boris Johnson will not resign

 

[goatwack]

It’s obvious he won’t. And he doesn’t need to. Just as there’s nothing saying we must resign from our jobs. Resigning is voluntary.

In some way it’s admirable in as much as he’s not running away spinelessly like most do.

As I said, he could make this very ugly for the party.

Except he does, and there are things that effectively spell the end of your job, no matter how much he gaslights. Or else why have anyone resign over anything, ever, to what amounts as gross misconduct.

It's not his party to ruin or put through the grinder, as we're past the point of no return. We'll see week after week of mutiny, where even the great man will run out of wiggle room, as the party gets decimated and hands Labour a bye at the next GE.

We're talking days here, certainly not two years of governance. His time is up - can't say he didn't have a good run

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Except he does, and there are things that effectively spell the end of your job, no matter how much he gaslights. Or else why have anyone resign over anything, ever, to what amounts as gross misconduct.

It's not his party to ruin or put through the grinder, as we're past the point of no return. We'll see week after week of mutiny, where even the great man will run out of wiggle room, as the party gets decimated and hands Labour a bye at the next GE.

We're talking days here, certainly not two years of governance. His time is up - can't say he didn't have a good run

The best I can see at a future election is a hung parliament. Really can’t see a majority government in any direction. Which means that we’re going to be utterly rudderless for the foreseeable.

There’s no good to come out of this.

People cheering and frothing at the mouth over Boris going are in for an eye opener over coming years. There’s no easy route back right now for a united and harmonious UK politically.

 

[goatwack]

I don't think anyone's cheering and frothing at the mouth over Johnson going, they just want him gone, for the good of the country, party and political processes to take on some form of normalcy. Him holding everyone to ransom is what's going to get people irate, if anything.

It'll be a while before we see anything resembling harmonious UK politics, you'd have to start with the calibre of politicians themselves, to have ones that have an air of being capable in their job minus the Social Media celebrity and alienating core principles.

I'd rather see grey, boring ministers good at their jobs, with an equally credible Opposition beholden to integrity and respect, rather than the show ponies of today, who appear more like self-serving businessmen with a brand to protect.

Looking at glimpses of Major's PMQs vs Smith in the mid-'90s was how I remember British politics to be, but it seems somewhere along the way we lost that healthy respect. You can kiss those days goodbye I'm afraid

 

[goatwack]

Gove sacked

 

[mack341]

Wasnt it like 35-40% frrom the tories that voted against him in the no confidence vote?
Thats slightly more than 1 in 10 having lost faith in him.

Sure, only 10% are willing to quit to make their point, but imo that only shows the lack of backbone in the other 30% that voted against him.

True, and that was the 'easier' way to remove him. That result meant there cannot be another leadership challenge for a year, like the brexit vote I see this as possibly another case where MPs don't like a democratic result, so try another way to get the outcome they wanted.

Who knows what these charges against Pincher [apt name ] are, how serious, whether someone was encouraged to go the police, because without that none of this attempted coup would've occurred.

On trend Sunak, snakey Gove, javid the mekon etc..impress me less than Boris, so until the suggested replacement for Boris is unveiled it is difficult to know what side [boris or the rebels] to support.

 

[goatwack]

Even Priti's turned against her custodian, in a surprise twist. Only people loyal to him seem to be Dorries and Haunted Pencil

 

[Mr_Slot5]

True, and that was the 'easier' way to remove him. That result meant there cannot be another leadership challenge for a year, like the brexit vote I see this as possibly another case where MPs don't like a democratic result, so try another way to get the outcome they wanted.

Who knows what these charges against Pincher [apt name ] are, how serious, whether someone was encouraged to go the police, because without that none of this attempted coup would've occurred.

On trend Sunak, snakey Gove, javid the mekon etc..impress me less than Boris, so until the suggested replacement for Boris is unveiled it is difficult to know what side [boris or the rebels] to support.

Spoke to my dad earlier.

Whilst he’s not happy with Boris, he’s more disappointed than angry. He’s convinced that all of this is being underpinned by remainers in parliament who have been waiting for the chance to bring Boris down. He’s also convinced that if we get a remainer as PM or Labour in power we’ll see Brexit reversed and will ultimately end up having to accept the Euro as a term of re-entry.

He was utterly pessimistic about the future of the UK.

 

[goatwack]

Knowingly hiring a sex offender is a bit of a turning point though, I think most would agree. No matter how long it took to be known to the public, or how much his political opponents had it in for him before.

Everything else just becomes conjecture

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Knowingly hiring a sex offender is a bit of a turning point though, I think most would agree. No matter how long it took to be known to the public, or how much his political opponents had it in for him before.

Everything else just becomes conjecture

I once worked in a bar. I was ‘groped’ (front and back) pretty much every weekend by inebriated women whilst I was collecting glasses. Does that make them all sex offenders?

I guess in this day and age it does.

 

[goatwack]

I once worked in a bar. I was ‘groped’ (front and back) pretty much every weekend by inebriated women whilst I was collecting glasses. Does that make them all sex offenders?

I guess in this day and age it does.

Yes?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Yes?

My point is if I’d made a big deal of it at the time I’d have been laughed at. The whole culture has changed over 15 years. Just seems like everything is so charged up and sensitive now.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I miss the good old days when you could just sexually assault whoever you wanted and everyone would laugh it off, including the person who'd been assaulted, bloody snowflakes these days!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Spoke to my dad earlier.

Whilst he’s not happy with Boris, he’s more disappointed than angry. He’s convinced that all of this is being underpinned by remainers in parliament who have been waiting for the chance to bring Boris down. He’s also convinced that if we get a remainer as PM or Labour in power we’ll see Brexit reversed and will ultimately end up having to accept the Euro as a term of re-entry.

He was utterly pessimistic about the future of the UK.

Yeah because the future of the UK is looking really bright with Johnson and his collection of clowns at the helm.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

I miss the good old days when you could just sexually assault whoever you wanted and everyone would laugh it off, including the person who'd been assaulted, bloody snowflakes these days!

A pinch to the bum wouldn’t have been seen as an assault back then that’s my point. Especially when it was a female doing it to a guy. There was a general acceptance in my line of work that it came with the territory and it was a compliment. I never thought anything of it, just got on with my job.

As I said, things are different these days…there’s more awareness etc. And I’m certainly not sticking up for the alleged parliament groper.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Yeah because the future of the UK is looking really bright with Johnson and his collection of clowns at the helm.

It’s not looking bright either way IMO.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In other news the pound is now very close to hitting its lowest point against the dollar since 1985.

Looking at this chart, it seems that something happened in mid-2016, can anyone remember what it is?