General Election 2019 thread

[Harry_BKK]

You clearly don't know the UK Parliament and it's political machinations. The opposition will instinctively vote together (as indeed we saw with the Brexit scenario) and with just a handful of incumbent governing party MP's abstaining, let alone voting against, they will try and defeat the government for their own political ends at every opportunity. With defections and by-elections a small majority is very quickly whittled down. Assuming St. Ives and Lands End (the outstanding seat) is Conservative, then the majority of 80 that will create, I guarantee you will be substantially lower by the time the next election comes around.

Brexit was help up for years simply because the Government didn't have the numbers. It has now.

@Harry_BKK there's no way 4 seats could be considered any kind of working majority for the Tories with the factions that they were trying to appease.
They now have a real majority and thankfully no excuses any more for not getting on with governing the country.

Well, good luck! I really hope that the whining will stop then soon. You can build then a wall around the island and lock yourself up against the rest of the world. That's what you all wanted after all.

We'll see where you are going to be in 12 months. Whether you have finally found that door (it's huge but for some reason, no one from your side has seen it yet) or handing in extension letter number 100.

 

[cncas2123]

We'll see where you are going to be in 12 months. Whether you're are finally found that door (is huge but for some reason, no one from your side has seen it yet) or will you handing in extension letter number 100.

I have to say that this result means that kicking the can down the road ( which has been happening for the last 2 years) won't be happening again, and the reason the door hasn't been found yet is because there was no working majority in parliament.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I have to say that this result means that kicking the can down the road ( which has been happening for the last 2 years) won't be happening again, and the reason the door hasn't been found yet is because there was no working majority in parliament.

We will see!

 

[goatwack]

Democracy they say is alive and stronger than ever, but is it really. It can only be workable if everyone involved has the good grace to abide by the results, not kick off because you don't like a politician's mop hair!

The Mong-Meter is already at critical levels, I fear it would explode if I switched over and saw a bunch of 'protestors' go Reeeee on my TV

 

[geordiecolin]

The Tories have a working majority now and labour will be in no position to block anything due to infighting and the fact that the public have clearly spoken

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Some very very salty tears flying around the various forums and 'have your say' debates today. A lot of comments calling people 'thick' and saying IQ tests should be done before being allowed to vote. Sounds like the ideology of a certain German nutter in the 1930's.

It is this condescending, smug, 'I'm better than you' attitude which people are kicking back against. The middle class, leftist individual who think their intelligence levels are so far advanced of anyone else that no one else's opinion matters.

 

[goatwack]

I put leftist salt in my Tory Soup for lunch

 

[Playford7]

You would have to be mental to of voted labour in this guise. Backed by that loony far far left lot from momentum.
They deserted the working classes years ago, to think they are a party of the people is plain delusion.
The manifesto was a fairytale as is the constant pc crap and race card baiting and appeasement of Islam.
We dodged a bullet getting corbyn out and making labour irrelevant for another 5 years at least.
Boris ain’t perfect, but was by far the most sensible option.
Also we get to leave the EU...
Chopley is quiet...

 

[sufferinsilence]

Glad some people already feel more emboldened

 

[Mouche12]

So, the UK will soon get its independence. Let's hope the Scottish will be given the opportunity (if a referendum to this effect proves to be successful) to become a sovereign state as well. Not very likely at the moment but one can hope. After all, democracy should prevail.

 

[steveh35]

So, the UK will soon get its independence. Let's hope the Scottish will be given the opportunity (if a referendum to this effect proves to be successful) to become a sovereign state as well. Not very likely at the moment but one can hope. After all, democracy should prevail.

I'm all for Scotland leaving the UK if it chooses however democracy did prevail in 2014 and Scotland chose to stay in the UK, how many goes do they want.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I'm all for Scotland leaving the UK if it chooses however democracy did prevail in 2014 and Scotland chose to stay in the UK, how many goes do they want.

In all fairness, in 2014 there was no talk about Brexit yet so the facts have now dramatically changed.

 

[Mouche12]

The situation in Scotland has changed dramatically since then, but Johnson has ruled out granting permission for a second vote... so no, democracy is not likely to prevail in this scenario.

 

[steveh35]

Left wing social workers marching in London again they can't accept a result they don't like.

Wasting police time again.

 

[goatwack]

Glad some people already feel more emboldened

Nationalism is not a dirty word, it's just been made out to be one by the extreme Left so that identifying with one's own country is tantamount to a crime. Patriotism too (gasp)

There's countless everyday law-abiding people that have been shamed into submission over here for many years, without so much as an evil thought or intent to cause harm to other ethnicities, but the media would have one believe otherwise. Especially here in London, it's about as tolerant and diverse as it gets, we could infact teach other nations a thing or two about what it means to co-exist!

But of course there'll be radical mouth-pieces like Katie Hopkins and TR that pipe up and pretend they're the nation's voice. They're just as self-promoting as any British MP so expect to hear their views now that they can come out from the depths

So there it is. Cue the inevitable comparisons to 1940s Germany from enlightened members following this comment in 3,2,1......

 

[sufferinsilence]

Nationalism is not a dirty word, it's just been made out to be one by the extreme Left so that identifying with one's own country is tantamount to a crime. Patriotism too (gasp)

There's countless everyday law-abiding people that have been shamed into submission over here for many years, without so much as an evil thought or intent to cause harm to other ethnicities, but the media would have one believe otherwise. Especially here in London, it's about as tolerant and diverse as it gets, we could infact teach other nations a thing or two about what it means to co-exist!

But of course there'll be radical mouth-pieces like Katie Hopkins and TR that pipe up and pretend they're the nation's voice. They're just as self-promoting as any British MP so expect to hear their views now that they can come out from the depths

So there it is. Cue the inevitable comparisons to 1940s Germany from enlightened members following this comment in 3,2,1......

There is (extreme) left nationalism too, for example the Basque nationalist party Batasuna was far left. Nationalism is a political term tho. Patriotism isn't, or shouldn't be, as politically loaded.

 

[steveh35]

Saw this live on Sky News earlier, David Cameron talking to a tree, maybe it was a branch of the Tory party

 

[Playford7]

The situation in Scotland has changed dramatically since then, but Johnson has ruled out granting permission for a second vote... so no, democracy is not likely to prevail in this scenario.

Scotland was told it was a once in a generation vote the first time round and they accepted.
Sadly they won’t have another until then, the man in NO10 has already said as much...
Cranky can get back in her box like corbyn has been made to.

 

[cncas2123]

Where’s the support for Catalonia getting an independence vote?
Oh , that’s right , Spain isn’t leaving the EU so no support for Catalonia then .......

 

[Mouche12]

Scotland was told it was a once in a generation vote the first time round and they accepted.
Sadly they won’t have another until then, the man in NO10 has already said as much...
Cranky can get back in her box like corbyn has been made to.

There you go, democracy at its finest... at least Johnson et al. should stop pointing fingers at the EU. Who are the authoritarians in this story?

 

[TheAddict]

Uncomfirmed

Saw this live on Sky News earlier, David Cameron talking to a tree, maybe it was a branch of the Tory party

If trees could speak no doubt that one would be begging for a chainsaw.

 

[goatwack]

There you go, democracy at its finest... at least Johnson et al. should stop pointing fingers at the EU. Who are the authoritarians in this story?

Problem with Cranky is unfortunately that even if Johnson were to grant her wish, she wouldn't stop and likely renew her efforts for another Independence Referendum. It gets tiresome when they are drawn up, votes are cast and results come in only to see the likes of Sturgeon beat that drum again.

Because she'd happily have a monthly Referendum if she could, dismissing the results, until 'her' favoured results come in.

And it's at that point one wonders how much she respects the will of her country, and whether her sole raison d'etre is just to have a pop at the English, and further her own wee career

 

[paul7388]

The situation in Scotland has changed dramatically since then, but Johnson has ruled out granting permission for a second vote... so no, democracy is not likely to prevail in this scenario.

Sorry but democracy will prevail if another referendum is refused.

There is actually less interest in another referendum in Scotland than there was 5 years ago.

There is nothing shown to say Scotland would vote for independence this time if there was another vote. In fact all polls say the majority does not want another Referendum shortly.

Leaving or staying in EU makes no difference to that hideous woman Sturgeon. Scotland could get anything they wanted and she would still forget what she is paid for and spend all her time chasing independence.

But let's hope Johnson actually does what he says and tells her to get stuffed and she is not getting another vote. Then she can go on all she wants as she knows once the scottish elections are done again in 2021 after brexit is settled she will lose her majority and her dream.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

So, the UK will soon get its independence. Let's hope the Scottish will be given the opportunity (if a referendum to this effect proves to be successful) to become a sovereign state as well. Not very likely at the moment but one can hope. After all, democracy should prevail.

The issue Scotland will have is that they will not get automatic qualification into the EU and wee jimmy can seemingly not answer how Scotland will survive financially outside of the EU and the UK simultaneously.

A much more dangerous situation to be in for the Scots than Brexit is for the UK as a whole.

 

[steveh35]

Sky News were saying today Sturgeon could be caught up in the Alex Salmond trial, with what she knew and what she has revealed.

 

[slot_zombie]

All's well in the world, the threat of the hard left is gone for another 5 years and we're leaving the EU.

Happy to see Scotland go, if that's what they want. More money for England, Wales and Northern Ireland if the English taxpayer doesn't have to heavily subsidise them any longer.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Where’s the support for Catalonia getting an independence vote?
Oh , that’s right , Spain isn’t leaving the EU so no support for Catalonia then .......

Plenty of support from the Flemish nationalist party N-VA.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

All's well in the world, the threat of the hard left is gone for another 5 years and we're leaving the EU.

Happy to see Scotland go, if that's what they want. More money for England, Wales and Northern Ireland if the English taxpayer doesn't have to heavily subsidise them any longer.

Yes I think wee jimmy will turn out to be just as much a danger to Scotland in the long run than Corbyn would have been to the UK as whole, had he got in.

I'm with others though- let Scotland have its independence if it wants it

 

[goatwack]

Well whatever happens with Scotland, when I go out, yeah I know I'm gonna be, I'm gonna be the man who goes along with you

 

[steveh35]

I said it before if Scotland had left in 2014 they would be in the same position as the UK finds itself in, looking for a border solution with England, trying to negotiate a deal with EU to join and financial issues.

It ironic had Scotland voted to leave and we had an EU referendum the result to leave would have been higher and SNP MP's would not have had seats in Westminster to stop Brexit.

It is in all senses the Scots fault that we have not left the EU and they are not independent.

 

[mack341]

I didn't follow that catalonia/spain issue as close as I should, I'm not in favour of scotland and england breaking up so it would feel a bit hypocritical to back the catalans however the spanish response to the protestors had shades and echoes of franco's behaviour in power.

If the scots held an illegal referendum would the british parliament send in the police to beat the sh*t out of scottish people, and then jail the organisers for decades, followed by the glorious EU basically saying 'no comment' ...meanwhile if someone somewhere tries to sell a curvy cucumber then all hell breaks loose.

 

[goatwack]

Can't we just get rid of Wales?

 

[cncas2123]

Its been pointed out tonight on Question Time that although the SNP has won more seats its vote share dropped from 50% in 2017 to 45% in this election, which if memory serves me right mirrors the 55 - 45 vote against independence....

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Its been pointed out tonight on Question Time that although the SNP has won more seats its vote share dropped from 50% in 2017 to 45% in this election, which if memory serves me right mirrors the 55 - 45 vote against independence....

Yes, if I was Boris I'd be very tempted to first test the waters and then agree to another referendum for Scotland, with the proviso to Sturgeon and the SNP that should they lose, it's the last one that can be held for another 'x' amount of years.

Should they lose, the SNP and independence threat is then taken out of the equation at the next election.

We've seen Boris seems to like his high stakes gambles, so it wouldn't be surprising if he tries to pull this off too.

I personally think he'll end up outfoxing Sturgeon when all said and done. He comes across as bumbling but he's a very very clever and calculating man. Labour walked into every trap on the way to this election.

 

[steveh35]

I didn't follow that catalonia/spain issue as close as I should, I'm not in favour of scotland and england breaking up so it would feel a bit hypocritical to back the catalans however the spanish response to the protestors had shades and echoes of franco's behaviour in power.

If the scots held an illegal referendum would the british parliament send in the police to beat the sh*t out of scottish people, and then jail the organisers for decades, followed by the glorious EU basically saying 'no comment' ...meanwhile if someone somewhere tries to sell a curvy cucumber then all hell breaks loose.

If Scotland did it illegally I think they could kiss goodbye to joining the EU.

 

[cncas2123]

Yes, if I was Boris I'd be very tempted to first test the waters and then agree to another referendum for Scotland, with the proviso to Sturgeon and the SNP that should they lose, it's the last one that can be held for another 'x' amount of years.

Should they lose, the SNP and independence threat is then taken out of the equation at the next election.

We've seen Boris seems to like his high stakes gambles, so it wouldn't be surprising if he tries to pull this off too.

I personally think he'll end up outfoxing Sturgeon when all said and done.

Thought that myself, maybe frame it that they get the chance to vote but when they do vote the result is respected for a minimum of 25 years, whether it is stay or go. That would definitely make wee Jimmy Kranky think twice......

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Thought that myself, maybe frame it that they get the chance to vote but when they do vote the result is respected for a minimum of 25 years, whether it is stay or go. That would definitely make wee Jimmy Kranky think twice......

One thing is for sure, if he offers the referendum, make no mistake- it's because he believes he can win the independence war.

 

[steveh35]

Thought that myself, maybe frame it that they get the chance to vote but when they do vote the result is respected for a minimum of 25 years, whether it is stay or go. That would definitely make wee Jimmy Kranky think twice......

It's a catch 22 if Scotland leaves the UK that makes a Conservative government more likely every election but the Conservatives are officially the Conservative and Unionist Party so it would be embarrassing for any Tory PM to break up the UK.

Which do you choose as your legacy?

 

[Mr_Slot5]

It's a catch 22 if Scotland leaves the UK that makes a Conservative government more likely every election but the Conservatives are officially the Conservative and Unionist Party so it would be embarrassing for any Tory PM to break up the UK.

Which do you choose as your legacy?

He'll check mate krankie long before it gets to that

 

[mack341]

From today's daily mail:

"Police probe into Boris's links with his alleged lover Jennifer Arcuri

Mr Johnson is facing two separate inquiries over his relationship with American former pole dancer and tech entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri, 34, while he was Mayor of London, both of which were put on hold during the election.

As a scandal about both sex and money this has the potential to be explosive.
Investigations have been launched by City Hall and by police watchdog the IOPC over the PM's links with the businesswoman, who was handed £126,000 of public money."

........If the scorned but savvy self-publicist were to reveal embarrassing details about her relationship with Boris, the public might take a dim view of their PM's philanderous past becoming a public embarrassment.

And while this Teflon politician might weather a sex scandal, should the GLA or the IOPC conclude there was impropriety in the process by which Ms Arcuri received public funds, the furore could be career-threatening even for Boris.

The IOPC is deciding whether to investigate the prime minister for a potential criminal offence of misconduct in public office while he was London mayor, between 2008 and 2016, when he also had oversight of the Metropolitan Police.

The inquiry by the GLA into alleged conflicts of interest has been paused until the watchdog's probe is concluded.

Now the election is out of the way he faces the prospect of both the IOPC and then the GLA reopening their investigations in earnest in the new year.

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Call me a conspiracy theorist but it wouldn't surprise me if the establishment used this 'scandal' to pressurise boris into negotiating a soft brexit and remaining close to the EU, and keep it hanging over him throughout this year as a form of blackmail/control while he negotiates with the EU, the establishment/top of the civil service in the uk are ardent remainers.

 

[goatwack]

I'll up those stakes and say now unashamedly that Boris is, actually, a reptile

 

[Playford7]

As we speak those ‘love everybody labour lot are being peaceful’

 

[Playford7]

From today's daily mail:

"Police probe into Boris's links with his alleged lover Jennifer Arcuri

Mr Johnson is facing two separate inquiries over his relationship with American former pole dancer and tech entrepreneur Jennifer Arcuri, 34, while he was Mayor of London, both of which were put on hold during the election.

As a scandal about both sex and money this has the potential to be explosive.
Investigations have been launched by City Hall and by police watchdog the IOPC over the PM's links with the businesswoman, who was handed £126,000 of public money."

........If the scorned but savvy self-publicist were to reveal embarrassing details about her relationship with Boris, the public might take a dim view of their PM's philanderous past becoming a public embarrassment.

And while this Teflon politician might weather a sex scandal, should the GLA or the IOPC conclude there was impropriety in the process by which Ms Arcuri received public funds, the furore could be career-threatening even for Boris.

The IOPC is deciding whether to investigate the prime minister for a potential criminal offence of misconduct in public office while he was London mayor, between 2008 and 2016, when he also had oversight of the Metropolitan Police.

The inquiry by the GLA into alleged conflicts of interest has been paused until the watchdog's probe is concluded.

Now the election is out of the way he faces the prospect of both the IOPC and then the GLA reopening their investigations in earnest in the new year.

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Call me a conspiracy theorist but it wouldn't surprise me if the establishment used this 'scandal' to pressurise boris into negotiating a soft brexit and remaining close to the EU, and keep it hanging over him throughout this year as a form of blackmail/control while he negotiates with the EU, the establishment/top of the civil service in the uk are ardent remainers.

It’s just like the nonsense in the states. One side doesn’t like to lose.
Nothing will come from this nor in the states.
Don’t listen to media, it’s more cancerous than catching a streamer live for 10 minutes

 

[Playford7]

Yes, if I was Boris I'd be very tempted to first test the waters and then agree to another referendum for Scotland, with the proviso to Sturgeon and the SNP that should they lose, it's the last one that can be held for another 'x' amount of years.

Should they lose, the SNP and independence threat is then taken out of the equation at the next election.

We've seen Boris seems to like his high stakes gambles, so it wouldn't be surprising if he tries to pull this off too.

I personally think he'll end up outfoxing Sturgeon when all said and done. He comes across as bumbling but he's a very very clever and calculating man. Labour walked into every trap on the way to this election.

You forget behind the scenes Cummings pulled many strings, people called him mad...
who’s laughing now...

 

[goatwack]

As we speak those ‘love everybody labour lot are being peaceful’

Never seen so many unemployable people gathered in one setting. So obviously staged and pre-planned, to achieve nothing other than making Extinction Rebellion appear sane.

Only question remains: what will these bums spend their £50 bribe money on

 

[Mr_Slot5]

From today's daily mail:

Call me a conspiracy theorist but it wouldn't surprise me if the establishment used this 'scandal' to pressurise boris into negotiating a soft brexit and remaining close to the EU, and keep it hanging over him throughout this year as a form of blackmail/control while he negotiates with the EU, the establishment/top of the civil service in the uk are ardent remainers.

Possibly, but if I was him I'd call their bluff and say 'go on then, lay all you have on the table'. That attitude seems to have worked for Trump- look at how many people were, and still are, after bringing him down from his position as president.

Then again, only Boris knows what they could possibly have on him.

 

[TheAddict]

As we speak those ‘love everybody labour lot are being peaceful’

It's almost like they actually beleived most people agree with them. Look at the seething.

 

[mack341]

Possibly, but if I was him I'd call their bluff and say 'go on then, lay all you have on the table'

I hope it comes to nothing, but the daily fail editor geordie greig, with strong establishment connections is "widely seen as an ardent Remainer". So it can't be a coincidence this article was published today, I hope it is just an empty threat/page filler for the paper... but we know what boris's trouser dept activities can be like....

 

[steveh35]

It's almost like they actually beleived most people agree with them. Look at the seething.

That's how a lot of left wing people think they believe they are right and cannot understand when people have a different view they are right and that is that.

 

[Kroffe]

Heh, left wing people thinking they are right.
They are obviously left.