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Incidentally, I did the Villento signup bonus. Since it limited withdrawals (unlike regular mg ezbonuses), I treated it as a straight cashable bonus. And since French roulette was barely +EV, I did 600 spins of one-dollar bets on autoplay, betting on black. Expected remaining bonus would be only $21, but I got a little lucky and ended up with $74.
 
Incidentally, I did the Villento signup bonus. Since it limited withdrawals (unlike regular mg ezbonuses), I treated it as a straight cashable bonus. And since French roulette was barely +EV, I did 600 spins of one-dollar bets on autoplay, betting on black. Expected remaining bonus would be only $21, but I got a little lucky and ended up with $74.
I wasn't aware that they limited withdrawls. I recall that they had conflicting T&C information in their sign on bonus. The general T&C listed no BJ towards wagering, but they also wrote, "Where use of the Bonus System is in place for the promotion, the terms and conditions around the Bonus System will prevail." ,implying he usual MG Clearplay bonus rules listed elsewhere took priority. I gained $530 on the $100 sign up bonus and cashed out without issue (aside from taking longer than expected). As stated previously, I lost the $530 and more later.
 
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If only I had been in real mode, rather than play mode. Considering my history of always coming out ahead at King Neptune's, maybe I should try a few slot spins.

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You had me going! Precisely why I don't play in free mode anymore-- I ALWAYS win.

I do enjoy reading your log. Thanks for posting your adventures.
 
aka23-

I've been watching your thread for the last couple of months and have a question so I decided to register on the forum. I noticed a while back you mentioned that after a good hit on the MG EZ bonus you attempted to meet the WR playing french roulette. Can you tell me how you played this, and is it worth it to try and meet the WR this way? I just did Casino Share and made a nice score and was wondering if its worth it to try and meet the WR playing FR or just cashing out and losing the bonus. I know nothing about FR but i would learn it if its worth it.

thanks, and keep posting please.
 
you want to lose it ? go to SLOTLAND

i used to think slotland had the best customer service but 2 weeks ago they turned bad with a capital B. try that one and let us know what you think. i'm very anxious to get some other opinions on slotland. i will tell you my experience later. although i don't want you to get ripped off i think it would be interesting to see what you think. please anybody give me your impression of slotland.
i know one thing they are not. GAMBLING COMMISSIONER APPROVED like it said on their website for 7 years. (they took the logo off now but not until i told them that i have known about it all this time. i tried sending an e-mauil to the gambling com. about 7 years ago. then again the weekend of the 16th . same reply NOTHING. hmmmmm that made me start thinking. well just try for yourself and let us know.
thanks
 
patswin, regarding mg's french roulette (and casinoshare!) I think I can fill in the logic.

I also checked out casino share. Maxed out their deposit at $250, got a bonus to bring bank to $500. Played risky blackjack and got to a bank of $1000. $250 of that is still "sticky" so do I try to grind it out, or withdraw?

The "base" WR for casinoshare is 30x bonus. For playing non-american roulettes, this is doubled. In other words, $15,000. The house edge in french roulette if you place an even-money bet (black, odd, etc) is 1.35%. So, if you wager $15,000, your expected loss is $202.50. This is still less than the $250 sticky bonus that you could clear, so it's barely a positive expected value to go ahead and grind it out.

However, variance can be a bitch. I set the autoplay to 9000 one-dollar spins (on black) and left the house today. When I got back, the 9000 spins had spun, and I had lost $432, and the entire bonus still hadn't been cleared yet.

I don't know if this is within the realm of mathematical expectation, of if microgaming's number generator got confused.

If you want to autoplay like a maniac, go to expert mode, set zero seconds between spins, turn on the turbospin option, and you'll probably want to turn sound off too.

I'm actually on spin 1400/5000 of my followup round while typing this. :)
 
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You had me going! Precisely why I don't play in free mode anymore-- I ALWAYS win.

I do enjoy reading your log. Thanks for posting your adventures.
Thanks. I played my 1xD wagering with today's Grand Prive bonus on Mad Hatters. It did not go as well as my free mode experience. I dropped nearly 40% of my deposit.. from $50 to ~$30. I made it up and more in BJ. First I bet half backroll and won, then I bet half bankroll and drew a BJ. I played 4 more $1 bets. 2 were BJ's, so 3 of my 6 hands were BJ's. The odds of that happening randomly are about 1 in 500. After the losses and gains, I had a net gain of about $75 on a $25 bonus.

I wish I had deposited more than just $50. I never risk more than $50 on a 50% bonus any more.
 
aka23-

I've been watching your thread for the last couple of months and have a question so I decided to register on the forum. I noticed a while back you mentioned that after a good hit on the MG EZ bonus you attempted to meet the WR playing french roulette. Can you tell me how you played this, and is it worth it to try and meet the WR this way? I just did Casino Share and made a nice score and was wondering if its worth it to try and meet the WR playing FR or just cashing out and losing the bonus. I know nothing about FR but i would learn it if its worth it.

thanks, and keep posting please.
Along the same lines as what Easy Rhino wrote, French Roulette has a 1.35% house advantage. So if you wager 60xB you are expected to retain (1-60*1.35%) of the bonus = 19% of the bonus. When playing through a bonus on FR, I put $1 on red or black, then put it on autoplay for 500 spins, stopping if I gain or lose $25. The bonus is cashed in increments. Each time you playthrough $300 ($600 on FR), you get $10 of the bonus.

If the expected gain of ~$50 on the $250 bonus is very small compared to your gain, you may not want to risk anything and just cash out. If you have more of a risk tolerance, you may want to play through. I'd recommend attempting to play through the first $10 of the bonus. Your large BJ wagers may have already gone through a good chunk of this wagering. Set a limit, ad if you lose to much along the way, stop and cash out. Casino share French Roulette seems especially streaky, so there is a good chance you will gain or lose $25 while playing through the first $10 of the bonus.
 
i used to think slotland had the best customer service but 2 weeks ago they turned bad with a capital B. try that one and let us know what you think. i'm very anxious to get some other opinions on slotland. i will tell you my experience later. although i don't want you to get ripped off i think it would be interesting to see what you think. please anybody give me your impression of slotland.
i know one thing they are not. GAMBLING COMMISSIONER APPROVED like it said on their website for 7 years. (they took the logo off now but not until i told them that i have known about it all this time. i tried sending an e-mauil to the gambling com. about 7 years ago. then again the weekend of the 16th . same reply NOTHING. hmmmmm that made me start thinking. well just try for yourself and let us know.
thanks
That's an interesting post. Did you intend it to be in this log? For a variety of reasons (no table games, not reputable SW, no quality bonus), I am going to pass on Slotland.
 
However, variance can be a bitch. I set the autoplay to 9000 one-dollar spins (on black) and left the house today. When I got back, the 9000 spins had spun, and I had lost $432, and the entire bonus still hadn't been cleared yet.

I don't know if this is within the realm of mathematical expectation, of if microgaming's number generator got confused.
The odds of a $432 loss over 9000 $1 spins are about 1 in 2000 , if I did my math right. Possible, but very unlikely. This was a binomial approximation with the FR odds.

How did you set the autoplay to 9000 spins? I thought the limit was 500.
 
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No kidding about streaks in roulette. My bankroll at casinoshare dropped 420 dollars clearing the bonus, which, of course, didn't even cover the $250 bonus money that the wagering claered.
I noticed many odd streaks when I played at CasinoShare. I almost always gained or lost $25 before I reached 500 spins. However, I gained more than expected overall.

You said you bet on black. I always start out on red. I've won more often at the start since making this change. I always thought it was a silly superstition. You are making me wonder.
 
You can type in your own number up to 9999 when setting autoplay.

Actually, I did about 3000 spins, paused, then about 6000 spins. Loss between two was $430 with one-dollar black bets.

Ironically, I continued playing after that and the next 5000 spins resulted in about a +20 gain (in addition to clearing more bonus)

I always bet on black because of the Wesley Snipes movie, Passenger 57 :)
 
You can type in your own number up to 9999 when setting autoplay.

Actually, I did about 3000 spins, paused, then about 6000 spins. Loss between two was $430 with one-dollar black bets.

Ironically, I continued playing after that and the next 5000 spins resulted in about a +20 gain (in addition to clearing more bonus)

I always bet on black because of the Wesley Snipes movie, Passenger 57 :)
I didn't know that you could type numbers in the pull down menu. I'll definitely do that the next time I use autoplay.
 
I gained $160 on Jupiter's $150 100% match bonus today. That brings my net gain at Jupiter over $1,500 and moves it to #3 on my cumulative gain list! I'm glad I moved to $1 bets after the big win. It was 6 hands before I had another win -- a blackjack.
 
I gained $160 on Jupiter's $150 100% match bonus today. That brings my net gain at Jupiter over $1,500 and moves it to #3 on my cumulative gain list! I'm glad I moved to $1 bets after the big win. It was 6 hands before I had another win -- a blackjack.

Not bad, I just lost my first $100 to Jupiter before reading this post. :)

Silly question, but was there any particular reason you even played the $1 bets? It's generally not a +EV move with the microgaming casinos... did you just want to play some cards?
 
I gained $160 on Jupiter's $150 100% match bonus today. That brings my net gain at Jupiter over $1,500 and moves it to #3 on my cumulative gain list! I'm glad I moved to $1 bets after the big win. It was 6 hands before I had another win -- a blackjack.


I am jealous of the offers you are getting from the Grand Prive group. You get the 100% match offers and they only thing I have ever gotten from them is 25% match up to $250. I never have got a 100% match offer. I wonder why?
 
Not bad, I just lost my first $100 to Jupiter before reading this post. :)

Silly question, but was there any particular reason you even played the $1 bets? It's generally not a +EV move with the microgaming casinos... did you just want to play some cards?
There are two reasons:

1. By making many bets instead of just 1 bet, I am less likely to be labeled as a bonus abuser.

2. I have generally done very well with MG bonuses, better than statiscially expected. The two big exceptions are Villento and Slots Royale -- #2 and #3 on my largest cummulative loss list. In both cases I did very well on the sign on bonus. My losses game on subsequent bonuses. I seemed to lose over and over. I mentioned a similar pattern in my previous post about yesterday at Jupiter. I won big, then lost 5 hands in a row. This pattern has appeared many times -- win big, then lose several hands in a row. Maybe its just a coincidence. Maybe not. In any case, I've done quite well since I started playing these losing hands at $1 bets instead of very large ones. For similar reasons I usually switch from ACBJG to ACBJ, if I want to make another half-bankroll bet. Again, it may be a silly superstition, but it works for me.
 
I am jealous of the offers you are getting from the Grand Prive group. You get the 100% match offers and they only thing I have ever gotten from them is 25% match up to $250. I never have got a 100% match offer. I wonder why?
I received an offer for a 100% match up to $250 today. All these bonuses are coming from Jupiter, Bella Vegas, and Casino Grand Bay. I don't recall any from Lake Palace. I don't have a good explanation for the difference between our offers. I usually get poorer offers than others at MG casinos. Grand Monaco sent me a 7% bonus offer recently while others have received offers for 50%. I've deposited nearly $2000 to the Grand Prive group in the past week. Such large cash flow may improve my standing. Maybe I'm labeled as a high roller and valuable player.
 
I gained ~$250 on the $250 bonus at Bella's today moving my net gain to ~$1000 -- #6 on my net gain list.

I did the 1xD playthrough on JoB VP, as usual. Aside from one hand, it was my worst VP session ever. I drew many hands with nothing saved and went through a couple dozen hands before I even drew an initial high pair. However, that one hand was my largest win ever on a $5 hand of VP -- $126. I attached a screenshot. I had a net gain of $50 on JoB. I would have had a net loss of $75 on just a 1xD playthrough, if I didn't get that hand.

ACBJG was very similar to last time. I bet the max table limit and won, then switched to $1 hands. I went another 5 hands before a win, and again that win was a BJ.

My net gain is up to ~$22,500. I'm planning to use my winnings to buy a nice car and replace some furniture and carpets that my puppy damaged. I'll go shopping for cars this weekend.
 
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Congratulations on the win. And thanks for reminding me of the $8.40 in comps. I forgot about those.
I take back my thanks. My withdrawl was denied because Powerbet requires you to playthrough comps 60x or 120x on Blackjack before you can cash out previous winnings!!! I did not take risks and use progressive betting with the new 120x$8.4 playthrough. Instead I bet the $5 min on all hands with conservative doubling and splitting. My net loss from the $8.40 in comps was roughly $55.

The majority of my cashouts at RTG casinos are denied, and the ones that do go through may take weeks. I am growing to hate RTG, even though I usually do well.
 
I receieved another bonus from Bella Vegas today. This one was 50% up to $500. I continued my low betting with 50% bonuses and only deposited $50. I gained $75 on the $25 bonus with the following half+ bankroll bets:

Start -- bankroll = $67
1. Play ACBJG, Surrender -- bankroll = $50
2. Double and win -- bankroll = $100
3. Switch to ACBJ, lose -- bankroll = $50
4. Win -- bankroll = $100
5. Switch to ACBJG, win -- bankroll = $150

This ACBJG pattern of surrender, then double and win has happened more times than statiscally expected. I mentioned the same thing in a post on 10/03. I have seen it many times that I did not post as well.

I finished up by playing some 9 cent Thunderstruck spins. I hit my first free spin bonus round (I don't play Thunderstruck often) during this session, on my 5th spin. I only had one winning result in the 15 spins for a total win of $1.08. I suppose that's no bad for a 9 cent bet, but I was hoping for more.

I've played 10 Grand Prive bonuses in the past 9 days. On each bonus I bet made risky half+ bankroll bets on ACBJG. I only busted 1 out of the 10 times.
 
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Start -- bankroll = $67
1. Play ACBJG, Surrender -- bankroll = $50
2. Double and win -- bankroll = $100
3. Switch to ACBJ, lose -- bankroll = $50
4. Win -- bankroll = $100
5. Switch to ACBJG, win -- bankroll = $150

This confuses me in two ways. First, are you switching between ACBJ and some other game? If so, which? Second, if you deposit $50, and get 50%, wouldn't your starting bankroll be $75 instead of $67?

And on another unrelated note, I'd like to run a hypothetical by you... tell me if this is a bonus you'd want to chase: Sticky bonus, erased on withdrawal. $100 bonus for a $100 deposit. Wagering requirement before any cashouts are allowed is $3000. (The house edge on the blackjack game is .66%).

Just kidding, it's not a hypothetical, it's offered by Casino Extreme, and roughly similar terms are out there for many RTG casinos. By my math, the bonus's advantage if it was cashable would be 3.33%, but since it's sticky, it's risk-adjusted to only be worth just over 1.66%. In other words, it's +EV, but it's not particularly compelling. But I'm not sure if I'm missing anything in the analysis.

BTW, cute puppy :)
 
This confuses me in two ways. First, are you switching between ACBJ and some other game? If so, which?
I switched between ACBJ Gold and ACBJ (not gold).

Second, if you deposit $50, and get 50%, wouldn't your starting bankroll be $75 instead of $67?
The Grand Prive group requires that you play through the deposit once before receiving the bonus. I lost $8 of the $50 while playing 1xD on JoB VP.


And on another unrelated note, I'd like to run a hypothetical by you... tell me if this is a bonus you'd want to chase: Sticky bonus, erased on withdrawal. $100 bonus for a $100 deposit. Wagering requirement before any cashouts are allowed is $3000. (The house edge on the blackjack game is .66%).

Just kidding, it's not a hypothetical, it's offered by Casino Extreme, and roughly similar terms are out there for many RTG casinos. By my math, the bonus's advantage if it was cashable would be 3.33%, but since it's sticky, it's risk-adjusted to only be worth just over 1.66%. In other words, it's +EV, but it's not particularly compelling. But I'm not sure if I'm missing anything in the analysis.

BTW, cute puppy :)
I don't think BJ is allowed at Casino Extreme. With 30xB playthrough Pai Gow/War and war are barely EV positive. If you begin with a full bankroll sticky bet (note the not allowed games when making this bet), the EV is under +$10. VP is probably more EV+, depending on pay tables. It also has a higher variance.
 
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Today's Grand Prive bonus was a 100% match up to $300 at Jupiter. I usually deposit the full $300 on this one, but today I only deposited $225 since the table limit in BJ is $200, and I stop after one table limit win.

I gained $425 on the $225 bonus. The winning $400 bet is shown in the screenshot below.

That moves my net gain at Jupiter to ~$2000. I'll call this #2 on my gains list. Winward used to be at $2000 as well, but I doubt that I'll ever see my $500 bonus (see my bonus complaints thread) at Winward, which knocks it out of the #2 position.

My overall net gain is +~$23,000. I've increased by almost $20,000 since starting this log in June.
 
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enough info to start an affiliate site

I've seriously thought of doing that. There are plenty of sites with casino & bonus information, but I've been disappointed by the sites skewing infomation in favor of casinos with the largest affiliate payouts. I'd like to make a site that does it right.
I finally followed through and made a bonus list that was not influenced by affiliate payout size. I selected the order before I knew which casinos paid US affiliates. The site is not complete or officially online yet, but I welcome opinons, especially on the table. This includes casinos that I neglected to list, incorrect information, and the order among other things. Note the the table can be sorted by a variety of measures including EV.

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Some things I plan to add in the near future are:
--Bonus listings with other default currencies
--A single deck bj table showing decision weights like the multi-deck table
--Javascript calculator showing expected return and % chance of 1 and 2 SD based on bet size... test version at
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--Blackjack switch page
--A home page
--Superior navigation and general appearance
--More general text information
 
aka, before you semi-retired (so, like say, a month ago), how much time would you estimate you spent wagering and bonus-hustling, either per day or per week?

I've been doing it a shorter time, but my returns have not been as eye-popping as yours. :)
 
aka, before you semi-retired (so, like say, a month ago), how much time would you estimate you spent wagering and bonus-hustling, either per day or per week?

I've been doing it a shorter time, but my returns have not been as eye-popping as yours. :)
It depends where I play. Most of my recent bonuses have been Microgaming Clearplay. This involves making a few large bets, then a couple dozen smaller ones. I spend less than a half hour on such a bonus, often less than 15 minutes. If I play through the full bonus, then it might increase to 1-2 hours.

The rare times that I play through a non-MG bonus on BJ it takes much longer. I might spend an evening on a $200+ sign up bonus or a couple hours on a $100 monthly bonus. Another factor is bet size. I can clear a bonus quickly with large bets, but I often use smaller bets to reduce the risk of busting.

So one week it might have been under 5 hours of actual playing. Another week, it might have been over 15. When I first started, it was not unsual for me to go over 25 hours per week.
 
Excellent list AKA!
But i read somewhere earlier in this topic that you wern't expecting to get paid your winnings from winward, does this mean that I shouldnt do the bonus with them?
You should be okay with the signup bonus. This is added to your account automatically, if I remember correctly. However, I'd be cautions about taking offers that have to be credited by Mario or any other one person (like their "Mystery" bonus). I received the signon bonus as expected and cashed out with a net gain of near $1000. They paid as expected. Others I have spoken with have also received this bonus without issue.

My problem is with the Labor Day bonus that has to be credited by Mario at Winward. Mario changed the terms of the offer midway through the promotion, partially in response to my email. He then refused to honor the bonus or reply to my emails. Support claims that he is the only one who can credit the bonus.
 
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It depends where I play. Most of my recent bonuses have been Microgaming Clearplay. This involves making a few large bets, then a couple dozen smaller ones. I spend less than a half hour on such a bonus, often less than 15 minutes. If I play through the full bonus, then it might increase to 1-2 hours.
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So you mean you do not always play through 100% of the bonus? I am always thinking if I withdrawal the bonus before clearing 100% bonus, will I be labelled as bonus abuser?

BTW, what % do you usually play through? W/ your style of playing, I guess it would be less than 40%?
 
So you mean you do not always play through 100% of the bonus? I am always thinking if I withdrawal the bonus before clearing 100% bonus, will I be labelled as bonus abuser?

BTW, what % do you usually play through? W/ your style of playing, I guess it would be less than 40%?
Most of my recent bonuses have been with the Grand Prive group. Under their game weighting (FR = 25%), playing through the bonus has a negative expected return on all games. I play a few dozen bets/spins before withdrawing to avoid being labeled as a bonus abuser rather than playing through the whole bonus. Considering how many bonuses this group gives me, my playing style has not been a problem.

With the typical 50% FR weighting and a +0.19xB expected return on the playthrough, I'll at least play until the first $10 of the bonus is converted to cash. I may or may not continue, depending on how things are going and how much I am willing to risk for the small gain.

With a 67% FR playthrough, I'll play through the full bonus.
 
I finished up my Blackjack Calculator today. The inputs are bonus size, wagering requirement, and bet size. It takes these values and calculates expected return, odds of making a gain on the bonus, and 1SD & 2SD points from the expected return.

I plan to add similar calculators for other games. I may do it as one big caculator where you can select the game from a pulldown menu.

The link is
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I heard back from Montana Disputes recently about a dispute I submitted a week ago regarding a four-figure sum. I'm surprised to hear anything so quickly. The most recent update is

"Initial findings have been sent to the operator. The operator has the opportunity to respond to these initial findings before final findings are issued. Please note this process may take several weeks to complete."

I'll post more information including the casino name and full dispute after the issue is complete.
 
Grand Prive has stopped sending me daily bonus offers, so I have not been gambling as much. I did play a small bonus at Grand Monaco. I expected to get a 20% bonus of $5 on a $25 deposit. While waiting for the bonus, GM sent me emails they intended to send to a woman in Belize who was offered a 50% bonus. They have done this 3 times in the past. I complained, so they gave me a 50% bonus too. Unfortunately 50% of $25 is only $12.50. I cashed out with a $50 gain on the $12.50 bonus.
 
They locked me out too. Seemed kind of unsporting, as I don't even think I played their bonus in a particularly unusual manner (except for the immediate cashout request, of course).
I suspect they do this to everyone who makes a big win on the bonus playing while playing table games. This group has a history of labeling players as bonus abusers. I recall Casinomeister saying that players should be okay at their first casino within the group. Problems would occur if we chose to do this again at another.
 
Here are some stats on how much the average player gain/losses at Microgaming casinos on the players who were referred through my site -- beatingbonuses.com . I checked on these groups because the stats are easy to look up, not because of unique results.

Casino -- Average Player Gain/Loss
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Well Above Expected Gain
Wild Jacks : +$455
All Slots: +$300
King Neptune's: +$240
First Web: +$130

Near Expected Gain
Trident Lounge: +$135
All Jackpots: +$135
Vegas Palms: +$130
Vegas USA: +$25

I find it interesting that half of them were well above the expected gain and none were well below expected gain. It will be interesting to see if the gains stay abnormally large as I get more data.
 
I said I wasn't going to play the Cherry Casino bonus this month. I changed my mind, due to lack of alternatives. I tried a new strategy this time. I started with $1 bets. After a long streak of sequential losses, I'd switch to $5 after the first win. I continued at $5 until I gained $10-$15. The strategy worked quite well. I gained ~$90 while playing the $30 bonus. My gains are likely just a coincidence. I'll try again next month and see if I can repeat it.
 
One fun little anecdote in my own personal bonus-hustling.

I picked up a $10 freechip from a Casino Rewards family casino (Virtual City). The minimum cashout here is $50, so I just placed the chip on a six-number roulette bet, which pays 5 to 1. It actually hit! Ironically, it even hit number 13, which is the number I would pick if it was a single-number bet. Anyway, immediate $50 withdrawal.

(Course, I've tried semi-aggressive roulette bets with small bonuses at many places, and only a few have actually hit. Them's the breaks).
 

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