Gambling 911 Screws The Pirate

[cipher]

GAMBLER SCREWED BY GAMBLING 911 / HAMPTON CASINO
Although it's just a brief anonymous article, Gambling 911 has done its' level best to totally assassinate the character of a gambler.

Quote:

"Hampton Casino player alleged to have used robot to win over a million dollars could be facing criminal charges in another investigation Sports911 has learned."

Now I'd like to see you (the nameless one) to offer even one scintilla of E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E to support this altogether bogus statement.

First you tried to run your pathetic blurb at the Casinomeister Forum about your buddy Ron Lewin, General Manager of the now infamous Hampton Casino and how much of an honest and upstanding guy he is. When the members there at Casinomeister didn't buy that you then turn around on your own site and make up some bogus article that is patently false and fabricated with comments such as "could be" and "alleged" and you call yourself a journalist.

Just how much do you owe your buddy Ron at the HAMPTON casino oh mighty nameless one?

CIPHER

 

[Casinomeister]

Is there a URL for this article? I don't see it.

 

[Casinomeister]

Nevermind, I found it -- duh.

I was looking for an article, but it's only one sentence. I agree, this is not unbiased - it seems a bit sensationalized. No content here - just a disappointing jab.

 

[jyde]

"Hampton Casino player alleged to have used robot to win over a million dollars could be facing criminal charges in another investigation Sports911 has learned."

Yeah, yeah - and we all know Ron, Rick, Rich whatever is an angel. Disappointing Gambling911. What has this to do with anything??????

 

[portia]

Am Dumfounded by this.

This is Sting's site, gambling911, right?

Sting has been up front in stating his friendship and indebtedness to Hamptons owner (Roy, Ron, Ross , ray, or Richie Rich?).

Loyalty is one thing but this smacks of a player smear campaign.

Sting, give your head a shake. What are you doing?

Take a good long look at your Hamptons friend and be sure your loyalty is not misplaced. Sure he is not using you?

You've heard the tapes, you know this guy's reputation down there. Isn't he just another gun toting online casino thug living it up in Costa Rica? Or do you estimate that as thugs go down there, that he is of the better sort?

Or is he holding a gun to your head? (figuratively speaking) Does he have u on the hook for some old poker debt? Or holding some costa rican secret over your head?

Do you really want to get into the "smear the stiffed players" business on behalf of this guy?

Is Sting and gambling911 a "player advocate" anymore?
Is he Biased?
Or are you transparently biased towards your long time friends running casinos and books down their in Costa Rica?

What are you doing?

 

[cipher]

Am Dumfounded by this.

This is Sting's site, gambling911, right?

Sting has been up front in stating his friendship and indebtedness to Hamptons owner (Roy, Ron, Ross , ray, or Richie Rich?).

Loyalty is one thing but this smacks of a player smear campaign.

Sting, give your head a shake. What are you doing?

Take a good long look at your Hamptons friend and be sure your loyalty is not misplaced. Sure he is not using you?

You've heard the tapes, you know this guy's reputation down there. Isn't he just another gun toting online casino thug living it up in Costa Rica? Or do you estimate that as thugs go down there, that he is of the better sort?

Or is he holding a gun to your head? (figuratively speaking) Does he have u on the hook for some old poker debt? Or holding some costa rican secret over your head?

Do you really want to get into the "smear the stiffed players" business on behalf of this guy?

Is Sting and gambling911 a "player advocate" anymore?
Is he Biased?
Or are you transparently biased towards your long time friends running casinos and books down their in Costa Rica?

What are you doing?

This is a MONSTER post PORTIA. Why can't we vote anymore Bryan?

 

[Casinomeister]

This is a MONSTER post PORTIA. Why can't we vote anymore Bryan?

Eh?

 

[Casinomeister]

Oh you mean for individual posts. I don't know. Something to check out I guess. I'm running the forum on vBulletin not Discus like I was a little while ago.

 

[portia]

Cipher, you make me blush.

It's just that this catz in the bag, and Sting is behaving like he doesn't know it.

Ron, (ross, Rich?) is a professional liar and you would think that Sting, having done his duty by putting in a good word for his friend, would just put a little distance between himself and ron at this point.

So that he doesn't get splattered when the stuff finally hits the fan.

 

[cipher]

Cipher, you make me blush.

It's just that this catz in the bag, and Sting is behaving like he doesn't know it.

Ron, (ross, Rich?) is a professional liar and you would think that Sting, having done his duty by putting in a good word for his friend, would just put a little distance between himself and ron at this point.

So that he doesn't get splattered when the stuff finally hits the fan.

To point a phrase "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink"

 

[rowmare]

I wish I were that clear on this issue as y'all seem to be.
I'm going to reserve judgement until all this is settled one way or the other. I'd hate to eat my words if the player does end up facing charges. (I rather doubt that, though - in what court and with what evidence?) It is possible that Hamptons has not released any evidence because they do intend to press charges.
You just never know!
I maintain that not many of us, if any, have enough hard facts - just gossip, hearsay and some loose internet articles - to make any judgements or have any opinions regarding this crazy situation.
Innocent until proven guilty - this applies to both sides.

 

[Casinomeister]

I wish I were that clear on this issue as y'all seem to be.
I'm going to reserve judgement until all this is settled one way or the other.... It is possible that Hamptons has not released any evidence because they do intend to press charges.
You just never know!

Hi Rowmare,

But I do know.

There is no robot, and there never was. Rich at Hamptons tricked the player into stating that he had one. I know this. Rich told me over the phone that he has evidence other than the tape, but he lied to me.

These are strong words coming from me, but it is true.

There is no robot. Rich/Hamptons knows this. The Pirate knows this. RTG knows this. Most everyone who has read the postings made by RTG and Hamptons know this. And I know this - plain and simple.

If it turns out that the Pirate is under investigation for something unrelated to playing Caribbean 21, who gives a flying rats ass?

Did you know that Casinomeister has a police record? (GASP!)
OH MY GAWD!

Yes, it's true folks...blah blah blah <snip>

Stories from my rebelious youth should be only shared with friends and lots of beer.

<end of snip>.

Oh the rogue that I am. I hang my head in shame....I hope this doesn't reflect on my veracity, or on my ability to assist both casinos and players.

But I feel much better now. Thanks for letting me get this heavy weight off of my shoulders.

 

[portia]

Rowmare :

"innocent until proven guility" is a presumption used inside the court room in criminal trials in a few countries. Sorry but that is it.

Did you imagine that it is some kind of law that citizens are constrained to follow? From where? The constitution? Bill of rights? So sorry - It may sound good in class or on the Oprah show, oh and of course it is one of Larry Kings mantras, but it is not a sensible way for people to conduct themselves, and few do when push comes to shove.

Moral posturing comes cheap. Would you be in Pirates boots - you'd howl!

Most people use their experience, intelligence, education, aquired knowledge, "intuition" to navigate their way thru life - they use their Judgement.

Rowmare counsels us to NOT use our judgement? Just act dumb. Don't protect yourself from potential preditors, crooks and conmen. You have to wait for some court to decide after the fact that "yup, that guy was a crook - jury said so. Too bad for you, sucker".

Rowmare, try reading the thread slowly - concentrate. Don't be afraid to think and apply your judgement. So what if you are later thought to have been wrong. Historically, you be in very good company.

 

[Casinomeister]

....Balderdash!

Jeeze portia! Try the decaf

 

[portia]

Geez CMeister, no casino is ever gonna have to pay you any winnings or take you seriously now that you fessed up to Rowmare like that.

And you proved her point, see : "Where do you get off judging other people's behaviour when you have not behaved perfectly yourself. Hypocrite. Everybody's equally bad in this case. Hummmmffff! Wait till the judge hears about this."

Rowmare : Reading and thinking sometimes makes things get a bit clearer.

[CMeister, thanks for bringing me to my senses. You are always right - about the decaf. But what is your excuse this morning?]

 

[jetset]

I am quite sure that any litigator would tear this *confession* to shreds, and that may well happen.... but it's clearly the only weapon Hampton and it's supporters have in this fight to deprive the player of what increasingly seems to be genuine and legit winnings.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, having listened to this tape a few times now and read the transcript, that the casino guy was overbearing, intimidatory and hectoring in his domination of the conversation and his attempts to get any sort of admission. Hell, he has admitted publicly that that was his sole objective in calling the player.

And the player was hesitant and dominated. He has over a million bucks in the caller's hands, and personal interaction is not his strong point. The offer of six figure sums of money, and the suggested conspiracy to defraud other casinos with this hypothetical robot also fatally contaminate this entire tape in my opinion. Yet those supporting Hampton or sitting on the fence remain mesmerised by it.

If you read all the various threads around the internet it is this highly questionable and deeply contentious tape that is being solely relied upon to deprive a player of his winnings. Because all the other much vaunted Hampton *evidence* has been exposed and debunked as either lies or non-existent.

Sure, the player was naive and plain silly to try and play a crook like Lewin / Katz at his own *confession* game, but as The Original Mary said somewhere (I paraphrase here) "What's good for the goose is good for the gander - if the casino can lie to get an admission, then why can't the player lie to gain a similar advantage?" If the admission was achieved through falsehood, then the admission itself is poisoned.

Bottom line: No clean evidence has been adduced to show that the player is at fault here.

Add to that the diverse little tricks and lies that have characterised Hampton spokespeople in this sad affair, and a picture of an efficient and honest casino does not, I am afraid, emerge.

 

[caruso]

I maintain that not many of us, if any, have enough hard facts - just gossip, hearsay and some loose internet articles.

There was no robot.
There was no game-flaw.
The play logs - which would would prove the game's integrity and expose all aspects of Pirate's play - are being withheld by the casino.

This is "gossip" and "hearsay"? Excuse me?? Have you been reading any of this? Or are you relying on the misguided opinion of one or two misguided webmasters who remain misguidedly affiliated with Hampton?

Just because you don't LIKE the facts doesn't mean you can ignore them and say "there are no facts".

 

[rowmare]

Gee Portia, Yer too kind.

Well, I guess I'm not as emotionally attacked to this issue as some. I really didn't feel that I had read any real proof one way or the other. I did read the forums and listen to the tapes.

 

[jpm]

A robot in that game wouldn't do you any good anyway, unless it was programmed to exploit some flaw or tell in the software. Not like there's any decision to be made other than bet or fold depending on your hand.

Where can I listen to the tape? I"m dying to hear this conversation first hand. Someone give me a URL!

Jetset said "If the admission was achieved through falsehood, then the admission itself is poisoned." This is not necessarily true since police interrogators will quite often 'exagerate' their evidence to a suspect in order to have him confess. While this can in rare situations cause an innocent person to confess, its a common and accepted tactic in the US (and probably in some other countries).

 

[rowmare]

Portia and Meister:

Next time I have an opinion or confession that is opposed to yours, I'll be sure to bring some vaseline!

 

[cipher]

A robot in that game wouldn't do you any good anyway, unless it was programmed to exploit some flaw or tell in the software. Not like there's any decision to be made other than bet or fold depending on your hand.

This is not necessarily true since police interrogators will quite often 'exagerate' their evidence to a suspect in order to have him confess. While this can in rare situations cause an innocent person to confess, its a common and accepted tactic in the US (and probably in some other countries).

I totally agree JPM if the person inducing the statements were in fact some official person and within the course of his official duties. Neither of those caveats apply here. The person inducing the information in these tapes from P21 is the casino manager, trying to play the good cop bad cop routine.

Lastly, I'm not even sure if a complete tape has ever been played and I do know that Hampton yanked that tape from here once it became apparent that they had stepped all over there crank with it.

Cipher

 

[jpm]

Too bad, I'd liked to have heard it. Sounds like it was interesting. And I agree, the manager was trying to weasel out of this, but I'd like to hear how he got the guy to admit he used a robot if he didn't. That's the part that baffles me.

 

[portia]

Rowmare : That vaseline dig was a good one. Am glad you have a good sense of humor. Welcome aboard.

I'm just a bit of a grouch in the early morning.

 

[Casinomeister]

Portia and Meister:

Next time I have an opinion or confession that is opposed to yours, I'll be sure to bring some vaseline!

And I thought I was being funny - but don't get me started with vaseline - don't wanna go there.

 

[kniepm]

How about getting back to the rumors of charges pending against Pirate C21?

Is there a possibility the Pirate could be being set up to be prosecuted for gambling from a jurisdication where some zealous prosecuter is looking to set a precedent? Talk about a high profile case to send a message to the online gambling community.

First, you gamble when you wager on the casino's games; second, you gamble that the casino is willing and/or able to pay your fairly won winnings; third, you are gambling that you won't be prosecuted for an illegal act taking place in the privacy of your home between consenting parties.

Disclaimer: I have no information that this is the case, just the parnoia that comes from living in a country where the rules are being set more and more by fundamentalist jerk offs who can't mind their own business and let the rest of live and enjoy our lives.

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