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Gambling 911 Screws The Pirate

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by cipher, Mar 3, 2004.

  1. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    Although it's just a brief anonymous article, Gambling 911 has done its' level best to totally assassinate the character of a gambler.


    "Hampton Casino player alleged to have used robot to win over a million dollars could be facing criminal charges in another investigation Sports911 has learned."

    Now I'd like to see you (the nameless one) to offer even one scintilla of E-V-I-D-E-N-C-E to support this altogether bogus statement.

    First you tried to run your pathetic blurb at the Casinomeister Forum about your buddy Ron Lewin, General Manager of the now infamous Hampton Casino and how much of an honest and upstanding guy he is. When the members there at Casinomeister didn't buy that you then turn around on your own site and make up some bogus article that is patently false and fabricated with comments such as "could be" and "alleged" and you call yourself a journalist.

    Just how much do you owe your buddy Ron at the HAMPTON casino oh mighty nameless one?

  2. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Is there a URL for this article? I don't see it.
  3. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Nevermind, I found it -- duh.

    I was looking for an article, but it's only one sentence. I agree, this is not unbiased - it seems a bit sensationalized. No content here - just a disappointing jab.
  4. jyde

    jyde Dormant account

    Yeah, yeah - and we all know Ron, Rick, Rich whatever is an angel. Disappointing Gambling911. What has this to do with anything??????
  5. portia

    portia Dormant account

    Am Dumfounded by this.

    This is Sting's site, gambling911, right?

    Sting has been up front in stating his friendship and indebtedness to Hamptons owner (Roy, Ron, Ross , ray, or Richie Rich?).

    Loyalty is one thing but this smacks of a player smear campaign.

    Sting, give your head a shake. What are you doing?

    Take a good long look at your Hamptons friend and be sure your loyalty is not misplaced. Sure he is not using you?

    You've heard the tapes, you know this guy's reputation down there. Isn't he just another gun toting online casino thug living it up in Costa Rica? Or do you estimate that as thugs go down there, that he is of the better sort?

    Or is he holding a gun to your head? (figuratively speaking) Does he have u on the hook for some old poker debt? Or holding some costa rican secret over your head?

    Do you really want to get into the "smear the stiffed players" business on behalf of this guy?

    Is Sting and gambling911 a "player advocate" anymore?
    Is he Biased?
    Or are you transparently biased towards your long time friends running casinos and books down their in Costa Rica?

    What are you doing?
    Last edited: Mar 3, 2004
  6. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    This is a MONSTER post PORTIA. Why can't we vote anymore Bryan?
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Eh? o_O
  8. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Oh you mean for individual posts. I don't know. Something to check out I guess. I'm running the forum on vBulletin not Discus like I was a little while ago.
  9. portia

    portia Dormant account

    Cipher, you make me blush.

    It's just that this catz in the bag, and Sting is behaving like he doesn't know it.

    Ron, (ross, Rich?) is a professional liar and you would think that Sting, having done his duty by putting in a good word for his friend, would just put a little distance between himself and ron at this point.

    So that he doesn't get splattered when the stuff finally hits the fan.
  10. cipher

    cipher Banned member - being a jerk

    To point a phrase "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make em drink"
  11. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    I wish I were that clear on this issue as y'all seem to be.
    I'm going to reserve judgement until all this is settled one way or the other. I'd hate to eat my words if the player does end up facing charges. (I rather doubt that, though - in what court and with what evidence?) It is possible that Hamptons has not released any evidence because they do intend to press charges.
    You just never know!
    I maintain that not many of us, if any, have enough hard facts - just gossip, hearsay and some loose internet articles - to make any judgements or have any opinions regarding this crazy situation.
    Innocent until proven guilty - this applies to both sides.

  12. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Hi Rowmare,

    But I do know.

    There is no robot, and there never was. Rich at Hamptons tricked the player into stating that he had one. I know this. Rich told me over the phone that he has evidence other than the tape, but he lied to me.

    These are strong words coming from me, but it is true.

    There is no robot. Rich/Hamptons knows this. The Pirate knows this. RTG knows this. Most everyone who has read the postings made by RTG and Hamptons know this. And I know this - plain and simple.

    If it turns out that the Pirate is under investigation for something unrelated to playing Caribbean 21, who gives a flying rats ass?

    Did you know that Casinomeister has a police record? (GASP!)

    Yes, it's true folks...blah blah blah <snip>

    Stories from my rebelious youth should be only shared with friends and lots of beer. :D

    <end of snip>.

    Oh the rogue that I am. I hang my head in shame....I hope this doesn't reflect on my veracity, or on my ability to assist both casinos and players.

    But I feel much better now. Thanks for letting me get this heavy weight off of my shoulders.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2004
  13. portia

    portia Dormant account

    Rowmare :

    "innocent until proven guility" is a presumption used inside the court room in criminal trials in a few countries. Sorry but that is it.

    Did you imagine that it is some kind of law that citizens are constrained to follow? From where? The constitution? Bill of rights? So sorry - It may sound good in class or on the Oprah show, oh and of course it is one of Larry Kings mantras, but it is not a sensible way for people to conduct themselves, and few do when push comes to shove.

    Moral posturing comes cheap. Would you be in Pirates boots - you'd howl!

    Most people use their experience, intelligence, education, aquired knowledge, "intuition" to navigate their way thru life - they use their Judgement.

    Rowmare counsels us to NOT use our judgement? Just act dumb. Don't protect yourself from potential preditors, crooks and conmen. You have to wait for some court to decide after the fact that "yup, that guy was a crook - jury said so. Too bad for you, sucker".

    Rowmare, try reading the thread slowly - concentrate. Don't be afraid to think and apply your judgement. So what if you are later thought to have been wrong. Historically, you be in very good company.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2004
  14. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

    Jeeze portia! Try the decaf :D
  15. portia

    portia Dormant account

    Geez CMeister, no casino is ever gonna have to pay you any winnings or take you seriously now that you fessed up to Rowmare like that.

    And you proved her point, see : "Where do you get off judging other people's behaviour when you have not behaved perfectly yourself. Hypocrite. Everybody's equally bad in this case. Hummmmffff! Wait till the judge hears about this."

    Rowmare : Reading and thinking sometimes makes things get a bit clearer.

    [CMeister, thanks for bringing me to my senses. You are always right - about the decaf. But what is your excuse this morning?]
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2004
  16. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

    I am quite sure that any litigator would tear this *confession* to shreds, and that may well happen.... but it's clearly the only weapon Hampton and it's supporters have in this fight to deprive the player of what increasingly seems to be genuine and legit winnings.

    There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, having listened to this tape a few times now and read the transcript, that the casino guy was overbearing, intimidatory and hectoring in his domination of the conversation and his attempts to get any sort of admission. Hell, he has admitted publicly that that was his sole objective in calling the player.

    And the player was hesitant and dominated. He has over a million bucks in the caller's hands, and personal interaction is not his strong point. The offer of six figure sums of money, and the suggested conspiracy to defraud other casinos with this hypothetical robot also fatally contaminate this entire tape in my opinion. Yet those supporting Hampton or sitting on the fence remain mesmerised by it.

    If you read all the various threads around the internet it is this highly questionable and deeply contentious tape that is being solely relied upon to deprive a player of his winnings. Because all the other much vaunted Hampton *evidence* has been exposed and debunked as either lies or non-existent.

    Sure, the player was naive and plain silly to try and play a crook like Lewin / Katz at his own *confession* game, but as The Original Mary said somewhere (I paraphrase here) "What's good for the goose is good for the gander - if the casino can lie to get an admission, then why can't the player lie to gain a similar advantage?" If the admission was achieved through falsehood, then the admission itself is poisoned.

    Bottom line: No clean evidence has been adduced to show that the player is at fault here.

    Add to that the diverse little tricks and lies that have characterised Hampton spokespeople in this sad affair, and a picture of an efficient and honest casino does not, I am afraid, emerge.
  17. caruso

    caruso Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

    There was no robot.
    There was no game-flaw.
    The play logs - which would would prove the game's integrity and expose all aspects of Pirate's play - are being withheld by the casino.

    This is "gossip" and "hearsay"? Excuse me?? Have you been reading any of this? Or are you relying on the misguided opinion of one or two misguided webmasters who remain misguidedly affiliated with Hampton?

    Just because you don't LIKE the facts doesn't mean you can ignore them and say "there are no facts".
  18. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    :( Gee Portia, Yer too kind.

    Well, I guess I'm not as emotionally attacked to this issue as some. I really didn't feel that I had read any real proof one way or the other. I did read the forums and listen to the tapes.
    Last edited: Mar 4, 2004
  19. jpm

    jpm Dormant account

    A robot in that game wouldn't do you any good anyway, unless it was programmed to exploit some flaw or tell in the software. Not like there's any decision to be made other than bet or fold depending on your hand.

    Where can I listen to the tape? I"m dying to hear this conversation first hand. Someone give me a URL!

    Jetset said "If the admission was achieved through falsehood, then the admission itself is poisoned." This is not necessarily true since police interrogators will quite often 'exagerate' their evidence to a suspect in order to have him confess. While this can in rare situations cause an innocent person to confess, its a common and accepted tactic in the US (and probably in some other countries).
  20. rowmare

    rowmare Dormant account

    Portia and Meister:

    Next time I have an opinion or confession that is opposed to yours, I'll be sure to bring some vaseline!

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