New Slot Announcement Extra Chilli, BTG

[nikantw]

If some people don't even believe the TRTP is what the help file says, there is nothing more I can say.
Perhaps later, after the release and after lots and lots of spins, we can restart this conversation with more data and clearer head ....

 

[interlog]

According to casinos, using white rabbit as an example, the stake would be £50, as you can't buy a feature using a bonus as it exceeds max stake. Therefore, clearly, the stake is £50/£100 etc.

No one is disputing that £50 is being committed , albeit all in one go

 

[colinsunderland]

No one is disputing that £50 is being committed , albeit all in one go

But you don't say your £200 win on say Book of Dead is 1000 x stake when you are playing £2 a spin because the stake for the winline was only 20p, you use the total stake for the spin, thats about the closest you can get to this for a comparison from what I can see (although would be happy if someone comes up with a better one )

 

[Chipkin9]

Well if cost is irrelevant in order to trigger the feature then why the disagreement? You have a bonus at the spin value and the win is divided by that spin value. And the value of the spin is £1 irrespective if triggered naturally or bought.

Well we should just agree to disagree

There's 2 ways of looking at it. One is that your total bet is £50, therefore if you win £250 you have won 5x your total stake (The right way ), and then there is the other way; the actual spin value of each of the spins meaning you have won 250x despite your total stake being £50 (The wrong way ).

 

[Gaz237]

Well after watching both of Dunovers video reviews.

Not Dunovers fault at all.

But I would say BGT would be cringing at the results.

I know it was only a small sample size, but Chilli makes the rabbit look friendly

 

[goatwack]

All this furore was just the warm up.

Wait til Bonanza II comes out

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[bluebirdy]

Well after watching both of Dunovers video reviews.

Not Dunovers fault at all.

But I would say BGT would be cringing at the results.

I know it was only a small sample size, but Chilli makes the rabbit look friendly

Yer not the best videos to showcase there new slot and new gamble feature

 

[interlog]

But you don't say your £200 win on say Book of Dead is 1000 x stake when you are playing £2 a spin because the stake for the winline was only 20p, you use the total stake for the spin, thats about the closest you can get to this for a comparison from what I can see (although would be happy if someone comes up with a better one )

It spins at £2 no different than that the Chilli bonus round spins at £1. It doesn't spin at £50 though that is what you invested to get the bonus. You could have easily invested say £50 doing normal spins triggering the bonus

 

[dunover]

Must be some horrendous maths involved if the feature spin combinations are not controlled.
Seems a bit fishy to me that 8 spins are worth 50x and 12 spins worth 100x (minus the vtp 3 odd percent)
Sounds too exact bearing in mind that every spin between 9 and 12 has a different and increasing potential value.
Would not know where to start with the calculations. but the 12 spin feature is identical to bonanza so that should be correct.
Funny how the 8 is exactly half.Maybe its me.

It's not necessarily half every time but thinking logically if you successfully gambled to 12 every other 8-spin trigger, thus halving your feature frequency then over time you would double the average outcome of each feature. There's nothing 'fishy' and in fact it's quite logical as the BTG features are simply random spins as you would see in the base game, so if you have only 8 then the likelihood of advancing the multiplier up enough to get bigger hits is far less than it is with 12. As we know, it's the final spins that usually pay best as the multiplier is at, or near its peak. So those 4 (50%) extra spins will quite naturally be more beneficial than just a 50% increase in bonus round returns over time - 100% I'd confidently say due to the exponential nature of the free games set-up.

P.S. Gaz - I don't know why BTG would be 'cringing' at my results given that in my relatively tiny sampling I achieved over 100% RTP?

 

[colinsunderland]

It spins at £2 no different than that the Chilli bonus round spins at £1. It doesn't spin at £50 though that is what you invested to get the bonus. You could have easily invested say £50 doing normal spins triggering the bonus

We shall agree to disagree on this but I can see both sides.
To me, you spin and it takes £50 then your stake is £50, casinos also see it as a £50 stake (or whatever you buy at)
However, it does say Stake £1 (or whatever) in game and I did wonder how a casino would deal with a complaint if they confiscated winnings under the max stake rule, if you sent over a screenshot of the game in question clearly stating Stake £1.

I'm sure some reps are reading this, perhaps they could clarify what their position would be?

 

[dunover]

if you buy feature at £50 and win £200 its 4 x cant be simpler

You aren't comparing like for like my friend!

1. When you buy the feature you are almost guaranteed to get x-amount of the cost back (unless you get one of those extremely rare zero-paying bonuses!)
In the base game a simple £1 spin will yield zero 2/3 of the time.

2. When you buy the feature you are buying at least 8 spins, not just 1 like you'd get in the base game.

3. To cement this fact you'll see, as with White Rabbit, the RTP is higher if you play feature purchase only.

Now you may understand where Interlog is coming from. It's far too simplistic to state categorically "£200 back from a feature buy of £50 is 4x stake" even though the basic calculation is correct - it's too far out of context to view it so.

 

[Nicola]

As it's a Bank Holiday and I had nothing better to do, I brought 100 bonuses at £10 (demo mode) to gamble to see how easy it was to get extra spins.

72 times I lost the gamble and 28 times I won the gamble getting the extra spins. (28% success rate)

The 28 times I won the gamble, I gambled again and won every time (100% success rate) - Weirdly this happened everytime I got H O T +4 to the next level.

 

[dunover]

As it's a Bank Holiday and I had nothing better to do, I brought 100 bonuses at £10 (demo mode) to gamble to see how easy it was to get extra spins.

72 times I lost the gamble and 28 times I won the gamble getting the extra spins. (28% success rate)

The 28 times I won the gamble, I gambled again and won every time (100% success rate) - Weirdly this happened everytime I got H O T +4 to the next level.

Pretty much my experience today! I felt that the odds on the 8-12 gamble were pretty much less than 50-50 in reality, whereas like your good self I noticed the 12-16 rarely lost, as did the 16-20. The 20-24 was about the same as the 16-20 in success rate. One thing I did observe that could be total coincidence is that when I got the 'winning loss' gamble i.e. 16-20 which yielded 8 spins or the 20-24 which yielded 12 if I lost, retriggers tended to occur frequently. I did several gambles up to 20 but didn't take on the last gamble to 24 and 2/4 of those rounds of 20 retriggered once. Weird stuff but I can't wait until everybody plays it and reports back.

 

[interlog]

We shall agree to disagree on this but I can see both sides.
To me, you spin and it takes £50 then your stake is £50, casinos also see it as a £50 stake (or whatever you buy at)
However, it does say Stake £1 (or whatever) in game and I did wonder how a casino would deal with a complaint if they confiscated winnings under the max stake rule, if you sent over a screenshot of the game in question clearly stating Stake £1.

I'm sure some reps are reading this, perhaps they could clarify what their position would be?

I can see this being bonus banned anyway because of the coin drops as that can be exploited. So max stake is then irrelevant when wagering.

 

[dunover]

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I can see this being bonus banned anyway because of the coin drops as that can be exploited. So max stake is then irrelevant when wagering.

It will be, same as White Rabbit usually is.

 

[colinsunderland]

Where is White Rabbit bonus banned at? I've looked at Casumo and LeoVegas and can't see it on either of their lists?

 

[Gaz237]

It's not necessarily half every time but thinking logically if you successfully gambled to 12 every other 8-spin trigger, thus halving your feature frequency then over time you would double the average outcome of each feature. There's nothing 'fishy' and in fact it's quite logical as the BTG features are simply random spins as you would see in the base game, so if you have only 8 then the likelihood of advancing the multiplier up enough to get bigger hits is far less than it is with 12. As we know, it's the final spins that usually pay best as the multiplier is at, or near its peak. So those 4 (50%) extra spins will quite naturally be more beneficial than just a 50% increase in bonus round returns over time - 100% I'd confidently say due to the exponential nature of the free games set-up.

P.S. Gaz - I don't know why BTG would be 'cringing' at my results given that in my relatively tiny sampling I achieved over 100% RTP?

Fair enough, you did end up ahead. But took a fair loss before you did. Your videos have painted a true light to the slot, and not a pretty view. So fair play to you( even though I know you think it's great)

The Gamble sucked (backed up by Nicola's recent post 28% win rate)

I feel your videos just about showed, 8 spins will be generally crap (even BGT has said in the rules, gambling the spins is the optimum option, which is ok if you have a pretty big budget).

Can easily see people depositing £50 and buying five £10 features and gambling the spins and going broke before playing a feature.

 

[dunover]

Where is White Rabbit bonus banned at? I've looked at Casumo and LeoVegas and can't see it on either of their lists?

Loads. Midaur, Calzone and Metal Casino off the top of my head.

 

[colinsunderland]

Loads. Midaur, Calzone and Metal Casino off the top of my head.

Thanks, don't play at any of those so probably why I didn't see it, how freaky is this though, just logged into fruitycasa to see if they have it bonus banned and got this

 

[interlog]

Where is White Rabbit bonus banned at? I've looked at Casumo and LeoVegas and can't see it on either of their lists?

Winning Room and Redbet have it banned too.

 

[Jd666]

Thanks, don't play at any of those so probably why I didn't see it, how freaky is this though, just logged into fruitycasa to see if they have it bonus banned and got this

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Thats strange as bonus money doesnt usually show up when you open White Rabbit on Caddell sites, just your real balance

 

[bluebirdy]

You aren't comparing like for like my friend!

1. When you buy the feature you are almost guaranteed to get x-amount of the cost back (unless you get one of those extremely rare zero-paying bonuses!)
In the base game a simple £1 spin will yield zero 2/3 of the time.

2. When you buy the feature you are buying at least 8 spins, not just 1 like you'd get in the base game.

3. To cement this fact you'll see, as with White Rabbit, the RTP is higher if you play feature purchase only.

Now you may understand where Interlog is coming from. It's far too simplistic to state categorically "£200 back from a feature buy of £50 is 4x stake" even though the basic calculation is correct - it's too far out of context to view it so.

£50 comes out of your account £200 goes back in its 4 x if the feature came in naturally its 200 x i can't see how that is out of context. as soon as you buy a feature you start at a - Amount so £50 you start at -£50

going by your logic if i buy a feature at £50 and win £3 how do you work that out?.
i say im down £47 lost simple

 

[torors]

Extra Chilli lived on OGS' staging server for a while, but has been removed now.

It seems however that you can just replace the token with any valid string and it will still work. Just edit the token query string parameter to anything of your choosing to get your own demo session.

https://dga1sy052ek6h.cloudfront.net/html5/wrapper3.html?token=Free%3Ae6dh134541hpj5psn93og4q35cn%40405&language=en_us&currency=EUR&type=nextgen&gamename=extrachilli&secure=true&mode=demo&lobbyurl=&depositurl=&nyxroot=nogs-gdm-stage.nyxmalta.com/nextgen/&

 

[interlog]

£50 comes out of your account £200 goes back in its 4 x if the feature came in naturally its 200 x i can't see how that is out of context. as soon as you buy a feature you start at a - Amount so £50 you start at -£50

going by your logic if i buy a feature at £50 and win £3 how do you work that out?.
i say im down £47 lost simple

So you're saying that if BTG were to hold a competition here on CM with the winner that posts the biggest multiplier win gets first prize, those that buy the feature may as well not bother entering.

Person 1, that naturally spins the feature in post a screen shot of a £2,000 win on a £1 spin = 2,000x

Person 2 that bought the feature had a monster win of £20,000 on a £50 feature buy = 400x

You declare person 1 to be the winner?

When somebody posts a winning screen shot in the winning screen shot section over 1,000x you are going to interrogate the poster whether they did or didn't buy the feature?

 

[interlog]

Thanks to the newly posted link, I have been playing the slot for about an hour or so. Perhaps I have been unlucky, but the balance was dropping pretty fast on £2 spins. Much faster than Bonanza.

Here is a question that somebody may be able to answer. In terms of maths, because of the coin drops it surely has to be taken from somewhere. In other words, the RTP during the base game has to be lower than Bonanza surely as eventually you are going to get a "free" feature?

 

[dunover]

Thanks to the newly posted link, I have been playing the slot for about an hour or so. Perhaps I have been unlucky, but the balance was dropping pretty fast on £2 spins. Much faster than Bonanza.

Here is a question that somebody may be able to answer. In terms of maths, because of the coin drops it surely has to be taken from somewhere. In other words, the RTP during the base game has to be lower than Bonanza surely as eventually you are going to get a "free" feature?

Yes, it is - you won't quite see the base game 'balance maintenance' as you do on Bonanza but the feature purchase will happen quite regularly through the coins to compensate, regardless of random feature triggers.

 

[bluebirdy]

So you're saying that if BTG were to hold a competition here on CM with the winner that posts the biggest multiplier win gets first prize, those that buy the feature may as well not bother entering.

Person 1, that naturally spins the feature in post a screen shot of a £2,000 win on a £1 spin = 2,000x

Person 2 that bought the feature had a monster win of £20,000 on a £50 feature buy = 400x

You declare person 1 to be the winner?

When somebody posts a winning screen shot in the winning screen shot section over 1,000x you are going to interrogate the poster whether they did or didn't buy the feature?

how BTG look at the biggest win is nothing to to do with it you.

buy a feature at £50 it cost £50 your return has fuck all to do with the stake value if you buy it at £50 and win £200 you get 4x the price of feature. if you buy at £50 and get o is that mean you lost 50x stake lol or just lost the feature value £50


if feature drops in then it's on the stake value

 

[interlog]

how BTG look at the biggest win is nothing to to do with it you.

buy a feature at £50 it cost £50 your return has fuck all to do with the stake value if you buy it at £50 and win £200 you get 4x the price of feature. if you buy at £50 and get o is that mean you lost 50x stake lol or just lost the feature value £50


if feature drops in then it's on the stake value

As I said a few posts ago, I was playing in fun mode a bit. The feature eventually dropped in after I lost £250 on £2 spins. In other words, I invested £250 to get the feature.

The feature buy is an investment you make to buy the feature at the same stake as dropping it in naturally. It is a gamble you take. You either spin and hope it doesn't cost you as much as buying it outright or you just buy it outright in the hope it otherwise would have cost you more to get by naturally spinning the slot.

 

[aceking123]

A spin is defined per stake per one round meaning one click.
All of you should know this , does not matter which angle you look at it , whether that means buying the feature or not , the bottom line is if you click a spin at £50 quid that is the stake you have spent , regardless to what you win in the feature if you win £300 its 6x your total bet & yes thats your total bet because one click is £50 as stated.

Its just a nicked idea from barcrest they're slots have this buy feature, which has more than likely come from FOBTS ( fixed odds betting terminals ).

You either like this sort of thing or not , nobody's telling you to click that button , its down to personal choice thats all )

As per terms in maybe most casinos why would the casinos deem this as breaking the max bet rule if this is not classed as a £50 per spin. they would not pretty simple.

add

 

[shadow123]

Would be nice to get a standard on how the feature was obtained before we get inundated by f*%*g game posts next week.
Something simple like N for natural B for bought ie N x 100 or B x 10.

 

[interlog]

Let's make it a little more complicated.

Player C comes on the scene and posts a £1,000 screen shot on £1 stake. After being asked, he says that the feature dropped in off the back of the coin drops eventually giving him a free bonus round.

What is the multiplier win?

 

[shadow123]

Thats right , just destroy my brilliant idea .
Ok quite simple ,C is coin drop feature,CB is part coin drop part bought, so CB x 12 is um well, I come back later

 

[bluebirdy]

As I said a few posts ago, I was playing in fun mode a bit. The feature eventually dropped in after I lost £250 on £2 spins. In other words, I invested £250 to get the feature.

The feature buy is an investment you make to buy the feature at the same stake as dropping it in naturally. It is a gamble you take. You either spin and hope it doesn't cost you as much as buying it outright or you just buy it outright in the hope it otherwise would have cost you more to get by naturally spinning the slot.

you could have £5O in your account playing at £1 stake and have 3 features drop in playing x amount of spins or you might not get one.

but as people on here have been saying the feature should drop in more than it did on bonanza so why have a buy if it drops in a lot more

 

[brianmon]

Let's make it a little more complicated.

Player C comes on the scene and posts a £1,000 screen shot on £1 stake. After being asked, he says that the feature dropped in off the back of the coin drops eventually giving him a free bonus round.

What is the multiplier win?

If the price of a feature buy drops to zero, does the feature automatically start?

 

[bluebirdy]

Let's make it a little more complicated.

Player C comes on the scene and posts a £1,000 screen shot on £1 stake. After being asked, he says that the feature dropped in off the back of the coin drops eventually giving him a free bonus round.

What is the multiplier win?

it he didn't buy its a free feature thats played at the stake you have, so win would be 1000 times

 

[bluebirdy]

If the price of a feature buy drops to zero, does the feature automatically start?

yes same as white rabbit

 

[brianmon]

well how about making the formula for the multiplier (feature win - cost)/set stake
where the cost could equal £50 for a buy, £1 for a natural and £0 for a coin= zero trigger
and the set stake is £1 or whatever you're spinning at.

If you happen to get 5 scatters on IR paying £60 and the feature itself pays £6, you may have won 220x for that press of the spin button. but the feature has only actually paid x20.

It's all about how you want to interperate it.
The streamers/youtubers/affiliates want to 'advertise' the biggest number, where as the players are more concerned with the effect on their balance

 

[interlog]

well how about making the formula for the multiplier (feature win - cost)/set stake
where the cost could equal £50 for a buy, £1 for a natural and £0 for a coin= zero trigger
and the set stake is £1 or whatever you're spinning at.

If you happen to get 5 scatters on IR paying £60 and the feature itself pays £6, you may have won 220x for that press of the spin button. but the feature has only actually paid x20.

It's all about how you want to interperate it.
The streamers/youtubers/affiliates want to 'advertise' the biggest number, where as the players are more concerned with the effect on their balance

Except that you needed to have done a minimum of 25 spins for the drop coins to go down to zero. So that is at least £25 worth of £1 spins. But it can be more than that. It can be £40 worth of coin drop spins.

It is a "feature" buy. In other words it is going to cost you £50 to get a feature at £1 spin value.

To get to the same point playing naturally (that is to get a feature) can take you between £1 and £xxx of losses (i.e. the amount it costs). Perhaps it doesn't cost you anything because the base game got you to a profit point before the feature drops in naturally.

Yet, with the latter you base the feature win on £1 but with the former on £50?

 

[brianmon]

Except that you needed to have done a minimum of 25 spins for the drop coins to go down to zero. So that is at least £25 worth of £1 spins. But it can be more than that. It can be £40 worth of coin drop spins.

It is a "feature" buy. In other words it is going to cost you £50 to get a feature at £1 spin value.

To get to the same point playing naturally (that is to get a feature) can take you between £1 and £xxx of losses (i.e. the amount it costs). Perhaps it doesn't cost you anything because the base game got you to a profit point before the feature drops in naturally.

Yet, with the latter you base the feature win on £1 but with the former on £50?

Because, like you say, playing the base game and getting a feature naturally, could 'cost' you nothing, if the base game maintains your balance.
BUT buying a bonus is straight £50 'loss', which you hope the feature will make back up (plus, hopefully, with a profit).
What happens if you start with £100 and due to base game wins, your balance is at £200 when the feature drops naturally?
it hasn't cost you -£100 to trigger. it's cost you £1

 

[interlog]

Because, like you say, playing the base game and getting a feature naturally, could 'cost' you nothing, if the base game maintains your balance.
BUT buying a bonus is straight £50 'loss', which you hope the feature will make back up (plus, hopefully, with a profit).
What happens if you start with £100 and due to base game wins, your balance is at £200 when the feature drops naturally?
it hasn't cost you -£100 to trigger. it's cost you £1

And the opposite applies too. Start with £100 and you buy the feature at £50 so you're £50 in.

Play naturally and you trigger the feature at a balance of £40 - you're £60 in.

So either you base the multiplier win on what it costs you to get to the feature or you base it on the spin value of the feature. You can't mix and match them in my opinion.

 

[brianmon]

Casinos only exempt 'White Rabbit' from bonus play. because you could potentially play the feature cost down to a minimum level with bonus money, zero out the bonus, then deposit cash to buy the bonus. especially if it's an NDB

But buying a feature at £50 with a bonus, will be considered playing a £50 spin, which will be more than the max bet allowed.
So as far as the casinos are concerned, the amount taken from your balance, when you press either spin or buy, is your stake.
So the multiplier is win divided by stake

 

[brianmon]

And the opposite applies too. Start with £100 and you buy the feature at £50 so you're £50 in.

Play naturally and you trigger the feature at a balance of £40 - you're £60 in.

So either you base the multiplier win on what it costs you to get to the feature or you base it on the spin value of the feature. You can't mix and match them in my opinion.

you don't play any other game and base the feature win on what you've previously spent or lost, getting to that feature.
Just because you can buy a feature, doesn't make any difference.
the stake is whatever is taken from your balance when you press a particular button.

I'd be interested to hear your argument with a casino who confiscate your winnings, whilst playing with a bonus, who see a feature buy as a £50 stake, and therefore over max bet, that your stake was only actually £1

 

[interlog]

you don't play any other game and base the feature win on what you've previously spent or lost, getting to that feature.
Just because you can buy a feature, doesn't make any difference.
the stake is whatever is taken from your balance when you press a particular button.

I'd be interested to hear your argument with a casino who confiscate your winnings, whilst playing with a bonus, who see a feature buy as a £50 stake, and therefore over max bet, that your stake was only actually £1

You would have staked £50 but in one go rather than do multiple stakes getting to the feature.

The way I see it that it is a feature buy. It gets you to a point in the game where you get a feature. In order to not compare oranges with applies you need to work out what it costs to get to that point in the game. You either spent £50 to get it immediate or alternative play it naturally where it can cost £x where x is an unknown amount.

Besides, the point is moot anyway because the multiplier win is the amount won divided by the value of the spin. And the value of the spin is the same whether you bought the feature or not.

 

[colinsunderland]

Well when White Rabbit came out, I asked both Casumo and LeoVegas if buying a £50 feature using bonus funds would be allowed as the stake amount is 50p. Both times they came back (after checking with someone else) and said the stake is the amount it costs you to spin, therefore £50, so would be over the max bet using a bonus. Neither of these have bonus banned White Rabbit, so I'll stick with the stake amount being the amount it costs to spin the reels .

 

[interlog]

Well when White Rabbit came out, I asked both Casumo and LeoVegas if buying a £50 feature using bonus funds would be allowed as the stake amount is 50p. Both times they came back (after checking with someone else) and said the stake is the amount it costs you to spin, therefore £50, so would be over the max bet using a bonus. Neither of these have bonus banned White Rabbit, so I'll stick with the stake amount being the amount it costs to spin the reels .

So how would you work out the multiplier amount won on the coin drop bearing into account it takes at least 25 spins for the coin drops to trigger the feature?

 

[brianmon]

You would have staked £50 but in one go rather than do multiple stakes getting to the feature.

The way I see it that it is a feature buy. It gets you to a point in the game where you get a feature. In order to not compare oranges with applies you need to work out what it costs to get to that point in the game. You either spent £50 to get it immediate or alternative play it naturally where it can cost £x where x is an unknown amount.

Besides, the point is moot anyway because the multiplier win is the amount won divided by the value of the spin. And the value of the spin is the same whether you bought the feature or not.

And if you buy a feature the 'value' of that spin is £50, or whatever else you may have paid for it

 

[colinsunderland]

So how would you work out the multiplier amount won on the coin drop bearing into account it takes at least 25 spins for the coin drops to trigger the feature?

The coin drop is just part of normal spins isn't it? I would class the stake amount as whatever it has cost you to spin the reels. Theres other games similar isn't there, if it takes 100 x £1 spins to fill the meter to get the free spins, I wouldn't say the stake amount on the free spins was £100 either.

Put it this way, if you buy a feature on this for £100, it returns £50, are you happy with your £48 profit from your £2 stake amount, or pissed off at your £50 loss from your £100 stake?

 

[interlog]

The coin drop is just part of normal spins isn't it? I would class the stake amount as whatever it has cost you to spin the reels. Theres other games similar isn't there, if it takes 100 x £1 spins to fill the meter to get the free spins, I wouldn't say the stake amount on the free spins was £100 either.

Put it this way, if you buy a feature on this for £100, it returns £50, are you happy with your £48 profit from your £2 stake amount, or pissed off at your £50 loss from your £100 stake?

You are "forgetting" about all of the spins where the coins don't drop in, similar that is being forgotten all of the spins where the feature doesn't naturally drop in.

You need to invest to get to a comparable point. The comparable point is feature against feature. In other words, how much does it cost me to get to the feature. Then you either divide the win by that cost or just do it the simple way and divide the win by the value of the spin.

 

[interlog]

And if you buy a feature the 'value' of that spin is £50, or whatever else you may have paid for it

It still spins at £1 a spin, irrespective of how much it has cost you to get to that point.

 

[colinsunderland]

You are "forgetting" about all of the spins where the coins don't drop in, similar that is being forgotten all of the spins where the feature doesn't naturally drop in.

You need to invest to get to a comparable point. The comparable point is feature against feature. In other words, how much does it cost me to get to the feature. Then you either divide the win by that cost or just do it the simple way and divide the win by the value of the spin.

Yes, just as you are forgetting about any wins that come in while spinning normal spins. I do get what you're saying but as you can't say how many spins it takes to get to the feature, you can't work it out like that. I've had a feature on Bonanza on my first spin before, it's also took me over 1000 spins to get there, which has then paid less than 20x stake. As I say, if you buy a feature for £100, you win £50 are you happy or sad?