Excellent ratings but beware

[goatwack]

And he repeated the same feat at 3 different casinos.... what are the odds???

Probably about 500-1

 

[maxd]

Thread title changed to better reflect the original content.

 

[EbeeDog]

--Slow Clapping--

You guys/gals did it again! Turned a possibly argumentative and contentious thread into a positive one (with superhero costumes even

As far as OP, I will say that I've fallen prey to the same kind of thinking. The answer is simple man, if you win on lower stakes and lose on higher stakes, Play. On. Lower. Stakes.

Throw all that RNG and % and RTP crap out the window and push the friggin buttons!

 

[mamoon1940]

of course it does and can - try reading a few threads here.
You can 'expect' a bonus round/free spins around once every 250 and 500 spins.
But seeing as you could also get the FS back to back, not seeing a sizeable return or FS in a thousand rounds isnt extraordinary.

You might expect an RTP of 98% from a slot - enough knowing members can attest a return well, well below OFTEN.
It's why we also see those monstrous well beyond hits high above a slots RTP.

Before venting and blaming a casino for your poor luck, use your time instead to do a little research.

You didn't read my post carefully. It's not poor luck. It's my own experience with the three RTG casinos I noted. Let's say the RTP is 98%, as you mentioned, when you make 500 spins with $1 bets, you expect a return of something around $490.00; it could be less or more, but to get a return of ZERO is beyond all probability. A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a thousand or a million times to get your 98% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos.

 

[mamoon1940]

RTP is just a guide, not set in stone. It is estimated over an infinite, ongoing number of spins so no definite figure can be put on it.

Hence, you could get 10 bonus rounds in a hundred spins and your RTP could be through the roof, but this is not the norm. Likewise it can work the other way too but we're much better at accepting good spikes in gameplay and love to bemoan bad runs. You can't put a final number on infinite, it's likely to fluctuate. This is why some casinos will differ on percentages on games, some have 94, others might have 96.

Blame can't be attributed to an individual casino, they're just providers. 500 spins is a minute sample, it's like saying I've travelled 500 feet in space, why haven't I reached Saturn yet

One cannot go into slots play thinking that you're 'owed' a percentage of what you put in, or else there'd be no surprises and every player would raise their bets at opportune times to maximize profits. The whole point of slots is their unpredictability, both good and bad. And most sessions are designed to end in the demise of of one's bankroll anyway, that's the price of randomness I'm afraid!

It's just my own experience with the three RTG casinos I noted. I played online in over 30 online casinos before, and this incident never happened to me before. Let's say the RTP is 95%, when you make 500 spins with $1 bets, you expect a return of something around $490.00 at the end of the 500 spins; it could be less or more, but to get a return of ZERO is beyond all probability. A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a hundred thousand or a million times to get your 95% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos.

 

[goatwack]

You didn't read my post carefully. It's not poor luck. It's my own experience with the three RTG casinos I noted. Let's say the RTP is 98%, as you mentioned, when you make 500 spins with $1 bets, you expect a return of something around $490.00; it could be less or more, but to get a return of ZERO is beyond all probability. A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a thousand or a million times to get your 98% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos.

Sorry to interject, but that's exactly what the current system is. You're basing this on one player's experience, but you're not the only one playing at any one time, there are millions of spins spun(?) daily and it's an ongoing process with a mathematical house edge built in.

Were you to be the sole slots player left on earth and it took you millions of spins to attain 98% you'd be right to feel aggrieved. Yet to put a % on a finite number of spins in a closed session just gives you - on this occasion - a rotten RTP, even if 500 dead spins is possible!

 

[curremon]

"A random number generator is not designed in such a way that you have to spin a hundred thousand or a million times to get your 95% return, otherwise it would be a stupid design (in favor of the house,) and people will avoid all online and land-based casinos."

Random number generator is exactly designed that way.. House always wins after big enough amount of spins.

edit: goatwack was faster and more detailed with answer

 

[maxd]

... in favor of the house ...

That is pretty much the whole point. And yes, it does take a lot of plays to hit the expected RTP because that's what statistics are: expected results over a large sample. Gambling is not an investment, it is an entertainment wherein you ____may____ win some money. If those basic truths trouble you I'd suggest you may want to be looking for a more satisfying way to spend your money.

 

[mamoon1940]

That is pretty much the whole point. And yes, it does take a lot of plays to hit the expected RTP because that's what statistics are: expected results over a large sample. Gambling is not an investment, it is an entertainment wherein you ____may____ win some money. If those basic truths trouble you I'd suggest you may want to be looking for a more satisfying way to spend your money.

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

 

[Tirilej]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

What in the world are you doing here if you don't want to take advices and learn a bit? Why so stubborn?

You should realize after all these posts that you are wrong and go and read up on how it works. Otherwise I don't see why you're here.
Stay, read, listen, learn, ask...then you can complain about other things instead.

 

[dunover]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

Unfortunately for you buddy they are all correct. You also need to understand the variance of the games you play. I doubt you played any online slot and played 500 spins for a few small wins. Because you lost you psychologically believe you didn't get a fair game.

 

[me_and_ed]

Damn angry Canadians!!

 

[dionysus]

Damn angry Canadians!!

 

[dionysus]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

Knitting I hear is a fine hobby.

 

[goatwack]

Knitting I hear is a fine hobby.

Quite partial to tiddlywinks myself.

I have been known to dabble in croquet too, I've even considered going pro

 

[me_and_ed]

Knitting I hear is a fine hobby.

Quite soothing and no RTP yarns........................oh boooooo

 

[interlog]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

So the no winning spins now turned into some winning spins?

OP: Did you genuinely not get one single win during those 500 spins? I find that incredibly difficult to believe. The worst run I had on a high variance game such as DOA was something like 30+ losing spins on the trot.

 

[Casinomeister]

I don't need your advice; keep it to yourself. When you go to a land-based casino to spend an hour or two and spin a single machine 500 times and get two or three small winning spins, you will never go back to the casino. The same thing should hold true for online slot machines.

Do not disrespect the moderators. This will not be tolerated at Casinomeister - do it again and see what happens.

 

[theslotsking]

I don't doubt that the casino refunded your funds however it would be unusual. Casino's are unable to adjust individual games as the software provider can only do that. I have encountered trots of good luck and very bad luck at both online and land based casino's. Recently I lost $4k in three hours on one slot at Sydney Casino and had the feature once. Apart from giving it the glare of death I could only blame myself for being that dumb. Losses like you and I experienced hurt but its the nature of pokies/slots. I dont play to get 98%. I play for that big one...

 

[Casinomeister]

Turns out that this guy was just a sore loser and started threatening charge backs. What a douchebag.

He also claims to be 76 years old. Really?? :rollyeyes: He's acting like he's 12.