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I went from a Neteller account to Click2Pay then they dumped us then Ecocard then they were caught then it was "by invitation only" to Quicktender. God, I just love living in the land of the free
EWX Per Alledged Web Reports, Shut/Seized By US Gov.
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Ecocard was the original ewallet name. Ecocard still exists for Canadian/European/Asian accounts...in other words, non US customers. After the UIGEA passed, all US Ecocard accounts were migrated to QuickTender, and any new US signups also had to use QT, as opposed to Ecocard. I am "assuming" they are the same company still, but the US customers are segregated into Quicktender. QT is US only, no one else uses it as far as I know.
It sort of makes sense in a way. IF QT were ever brought down/seized, it would pose no thread to Ecocard, who doesn't service the US ie. the parent company. It is simply a way of keeping US accounts separate.
It sort of makes sense in a way. IF QT were ever brought down/seized, it would pose no thread to Ecocard, who doesn't service the US ie. the parent company. It is simply a way of keeping US accounts separate.
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Gawd, this crap sucks. Jumping through hoop after hoop just to be able to play on lline. I seriously hope that the USA catches on soon, or there will be a lot of slot junkies climbing the walls!
This crap really sucks!!!!!
This crap really sucks!!!!!
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I am wondering why none of the Casino Reps have come in and confirmed or deny the letter that went out stating that they were seized. I know on another forum the Rep from Mainstreet group did confirm it, but so far they are the only ones.
I went back to live chat at EWX again today ( I go everyday) and they are still reading from the same script. Even when you point it out that it is on the forums and message boards, they skirt aroud it. When you ask to speak with their manager, (Who knows if you actually get their manager or someone other CSR saying they are the manager) they read from the same script and tell you they won't comment on rumors.
So it is still a waiting game.
LH
I went back to live chat at EWX again today ( I go everyday) and they are still reading from the same script. Even when you point it out that it is on the forums and message boards, they skirt aroud it. When you ask to speak with their manager, (Who knows if you actually get their manager or someone other CSR saying they are the manager) they read from the same script and tell you they won't comment on rumors.
So it is still a waiting game.
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well i will be glad when my last dep to my ewallet clears my bank. right now its been a month and im still 53.00 richer in my bank account. i dont like a pending transaction to last for ever.
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Pretty sure they're just doing what they've been told to do.
It sounds like qt is being bombarded with new accounts. Imagine that.
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Pretty sure they're just doing what they've been told to do.
It sounds like qt is being bombarded with new accounts. Imagine that.
Isn't QT now only by invitation only? When I set up my account years ago, you didn't need an invite. In the last few months, I've seen very little interaction in a thread between players and casino reps.
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I don't know if you'd call it 'by invitation only' but you did have to go thru a casino to get an account set up instead of just walking in the door and filling out the forms. At least that's how I remember it anyway. If you went to the website you couldn't get in and it said something about asking your 'merchant'.
And by little interaction in a thread, do you mean about wallets or just in general about anything casino?
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I mean ANY interaction at all, whether it be concerning the ewallet issue or general issues. Unless I haven't been reading the right threads, I've not seen very many posts by any casino reps. I see them logged into the forum, but no one is answering any questions.
To me this says a lot. They don't want to keep players in the loop on, what I consider, important issues. And if you do get a rep to reply, the answers are so short and terse it makes you wonder why players keep supporting them.
If it wasn't for the player, these casinos would be out of business. No player = no money. Maybe they are afraid players will get fed up with trying to figure out how to fund accounts and stop playing, so they are out to get WHAT they can WHILE they can. I know that's a kind of shallow attitude, but the evidence is appearing more and more every day.
And with new ewallets popping up, players are starting to experience problems already with them. Look at the thread about Moneylinewallet started by CoolCat. Double and triple charges to the bank account? How many unsuspecting players are having this done and are NOT watching their bank accounts closely to catch this? Sure, it would seem in the best interest for a player to closely monitor this, but what about the players who are so "addicted" they aren't realizing how much they are spending and being charged by these new ewallets?
Playtime is tough/rough/impossible, funding is a challenge, and where do you send your withdrawal requests to? The fees charged by the ewallets to deposit and the fees charged by the casinos to withdraw and THEN the fees from the ewallet to withdraw BACK to your bank account. Does it really pay to play?
Issues with T&Cs, now it appears casinos can CHANGE T&C midstream to suit themsleves, leaving the player in mass confusion. Since no reps are willing to step up to bat to clarify certain terms, more and more players will be caught up in the black hole when they try to withdraw. I, personally, feel you will see more and more casino coming up with these loosely written T&Cs (whether general or bonus, which revert BACK to general) so when they don't feel like paying they twist the wording around to conform to their needs. It's nothing more than a win/win situation for the casino and f*ck you to the player. And what does the casino care? They say the player is an advantage player, a bonus abuser, a negative value player, a student, or whatever else they choose. They state they can change T&Cs on a whim WITHOUT notification. So in the end, is it really worth it?
RT has changed, the players see it and the casinos will swear it isn't so. Payouts are being denied, and when players question the CSR, they are then labelled abusive and then the winnings are voided due to a violation of T&Cs. Players have to play games with the ewallets to fund accounts (seriously, being able to only fund at certain times of day?) and then worry if they can withdraw.
IMO, this is a prelude for things to come. And it ain't looking good...
To me this says a lot. They don't want to keep players in the loop on, what I consider, important issues. And if you do get a rep to reply, the answers are so short and terse it makes you wonder why players keep supporting them.
If it wasn't for the player, these casinos would be out of business. No player = no money. Maybe they are afraid players will get fed up with trying to figure out how to fund accounts and stop playing, so they are out to get WHAT they can WHILE they can. I know that's a kind of shallow attitude, but the evidence is appearing more and more every day.
And with new ewallets popping up, players are starting to experience problems already with them. Look at the thread about Moneylinewallet started by CoolCat. Double and triple charges to the bank account? How many unsuspecting players are having this done and are NOT watching their bank accounts closely to catch this? Sure, it would seem in the best interest for a player to closely monitor this, but what about the players who are so "addicted" they aren't realizing how much they are spending and being charged by these new ewallets?
Playtime is tough/rough/impossible, funding is a challenge, and where do you send your withdrawal requests to? The fees charged by the ewallets to deposit and the fees charged by the casinos to withdraw and THEN the fees from the ewallet to withdraw BACK to your bank account. Does it really pay to play?
Issues with T&Cs, now it appears casinos can CHANGE T&C midstream to suit themsleves, leaving the player in mass confusion. Since no reps are willing to step up to bat to clarify certain terms, more and more players will be caught up in the black hole when they try to withdraw. I, personally, feel you will see more and more casino coming up with these loosely written T&Cs (whether general or bonus, which revert BACK to general) so when they don't feel like paying they twist the wording around to conform to their needs. It's nothing more than a win/win situation for the casino and f*ck you to the player. And what does the casino care? They say the player is an advantage player, a bonus abuser, a negative value player, a student, or whatever else they choose. They state they can change T&Cs on a whim WITHOUT notification. So in the end, is it really worth it?
RT has changed, the players see it and the casinos will swear it isn't so. Payouts are being denied, and when players question the CSR, they are then labelled abusive and then the winnings are voided due to a violation of T&Cs. Players have to play games with the ewallets to fund accounts (seriously, being able to only fund at certain times of day?) and then worry if they can withdraw.
IMO, this is a prelude for things to come. And it ain't looking good...
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Very well put Ksech. I also think that reps read posts and private message the poster to keep things quiet, so the casino doesn't look bad. Maybe they look at it as some type of "Damage Control". Who knows....
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I understand your frustration ksech as do most players in this forum paying any attention at all. The only thing I can say is it's been this way for awhile now and I guess you have to decide for yourself whether it's worth it or not. I cut my depositing down to very little the last year or more because of the same b.s. you mention in your post. When you feel like no one has to follow any set rules except you the player, you know you're screwed before you even begin.
I still prefer qt coming and going and don't mind the fees as I feel they are reasonable for what I get in return and that is a lot more than I can say for my american made bank with all their b.s. fees. As for posting these things all over the forums it has become necessary to keep it low key or under the radar maybe and that's unfortunate for new players although I'm pretty sure the same info can still be found at most of the other forums unless things have changed very recently.
I think I have to agree with you on casino reps because I've noticed a few threads where a poster asks for a rep to reply or hopes one will but I bet we'd find in most or all of them, there's no reply. I think if the problem is serious enough to the player, and the rep wont reply then the player might do well to ask one of the moderators here. That's what I would do anyway.
But like I said it's been this way for awhile now imo and only you can decide if it's worth it or not. I have a problem with authority so the more the govt. tries to stop me, the more I want to play
The rest boils down to knowing your casino and what they will and wont do because there are many that still stick to the rules and take care of the player the best they can. Which isn't always easy when it comes to american players.
For what it's worth, if more players were like you, the way you try to keep up on everything that is c-a-s-i-n-o, the bad guys wouldn't have such an easy time ripping us off.
I still prefer qt coming and going and don't mind the fees as I feel they are reasonable for what I get in return and that is a lot more than I can say for my american made bank with all their b.s. fees. As for posting these things all over the forums it has become necessary to keep it low key or under the radar maybe and that's unfortunate for new players although I'm pretty sure the same info can still be found at most of the other forums unless things have changed very recently.
I think I have to agree with you on casino reps because I've noticed a few threads where a poster asks for a rep to reply or hopes one will but I bet we'd find in most or all of them, there's no reply. I think if the problem is serious enough to the player, and the rep wont reply then the player might do well to ask one of the moderators here. That's what I would do anyway.
But like I said it's been this way for awhile now imo and only you can decide if it's worth it or not. I have a problem with authority so the more the govt. tries to stop me, the more I want to play
The rest boils down to knowing your casino and what they will and wont do because there are many that still stick to the rules and take care of the player the best they can. Which isn't always easy when it comes to american players. For what it's worth, if more players were like you, the way you try to keep up on everything that is c-a-s-i-n-o, the bad guys wouldn't have such an easy time ripping us off.
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Maybe the reps are concerned because they have funds tied up in EWE like the players do and they don't want to stir the pot?
It does irritate the hell out of me that merchants are apparently told one thing but customers are told the same lame excuse day after day. Also, the possible charade of going through the motions of player withdrawals when EWE can't flat out do it is unprofessional and fraudulent.
It does irritate the hell out of me that merchants are apparently told one thing but customers are told the same lame excuse day after day. Also, the possible charade of going through the motions of player withdrawals when EWE can't flat out do it is unprofessional and fraudulent.
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I understand your frustration ksech as do most players in this forum paying any attention at all. The only thing I can say is it's been this way for awhile now and I guess you have to decide for yourself whether it's worth it or not. I cut my depositing down to very little the last year or more because of the same b.s. you mention in your post. When you feel like no one has to follow any set rules except you the player, you know you're screwed before you even begin.
I still prefer qt coming and going and don't mind the fees as I feel they are reasonable for what I get in return and that is a lot more than I can say for my american made bank with all their b.s. fees. As for posting these things all over the forums it has become necessary to keep it low key or under the radar maybe and that's unfortunate for new players although I'm pretty sure the same info can still be found at most of the other forums unless things have changed very recently.
I think I have to agree with you on casino reps because I've noticed a few threads where a poster asks for a rep to reply or hopes one will but I bet we'd find in most or all of them, there's no reply. I think if the problem is serious enough to the player, and the rep wont reply then the player might do well to ask one of the moderators here. That's what I would do anyway.
But like I said it's been this way for awhile now imo and only you can decide if it's worth it or not. I have a problem with authority so the more the govt. tries to stop me, the more I want to play
For what it's worth, if more players were like you, the way you try to keep up on everything that is c-a-s-i-n-o, the bad guys wouldn't have such an easy time ripping us off.
Bryan has already made his position known. US players would be better off NOT playing until the whole situation has settled down. At the time, it seemed US would eventually go for regulation, but now this is much less certain.
US players who still deposit must be sure to understand the risks involved, including the risk of having their gambling funds vanish into limbo.
The casinos and ewallets are doing their best to ensure players are NOT aware of the risks. They do this by LYING about grave aspects of the current climate in order to make players feel much safer than they really are.
The casinos don't want to scare away the US player altogether whilst they are able to figure out new ways for them to deposit. IF players buy in to the story about "technical problems" with their current methods, they are more likely to try new methods. If they knew that there really WERE mass seizures, and that their funds had actually disappeared, and would NOT be restored after "technical issues" were fixed, US players might stop depositing altogether, and very abruptly.
It is inconceivable that EWX have had "technical issues" for this long, yet seem so very relaxed about it given that it must be CRIPPLING their business to have absolutely NO turnover for MONTHS, yet still have to pay staff, office rent, keep IT and CS running.
The next phase of the EWX saga will probably be when STAFF realise they are probably working for nothing because EWX has no unfrozen assets left to pay them. This will be obvious when all CS avenues simply "go dead", not even giving out the lame "technical problems" excuse.
Merchants are playing a dangerous game, since ONE merchant has "broken ranks" to tell the real story on another forum. The truth will eventually come out, just as it did with Neteller, and merchants who KNEW that players had lost everything they had in EWX, yet pretended it was still safe to carry on playing because they would soon get the money back after "technical problems" were fixed, will find themselves in the firing line. Once a big lie like this is exposed, casinos are going to have trouble quashing the various other rumours that surface, because players will believe they are lying again to cover up a major issue.
Neteller are STILL paying the price for lying about "technical issues" and "overload" when they were pretending to process account closures for US players who "wanted out" after they stopped accepting gambling transactions for US players. When a major upgrade went wrong, and Neteller was "down" for nearly 3 days as a result, it didn't take long for customers to start to fear that they had, in fact, gone bust and were again using "technical problems" as a stalling excuse. The problem wasn't helped when customers who wanted to leave could not because Neteller could not process ANY account withdrawals, and all Net+ cards stopped working. They vented on the Neteller facebook page, and Neteller made, and broke, one promise after another - eventually coming out with the old "we cannot say when this will be fixed", the SAME line EWX are currently using.
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I closed out any open (non-dormant accounts) about 3 months ago. When I could no longer fund using my bank card I called it quits. I didn't want to be told I had a minimum amount I could deposit into an ewallet and pay a fee. Then if I actually won anything, have to pay a fee BACK to the ewallet to withdraw to my bank account and then face an international wire fee on top of that. Granted the fee amounts were relatively small, but it's the ethics of the whole deal.
For those who can/are still playing, I hope you do so with the utmost care. Who knows what these crazy politicians will come up with next. I wouldn't put it past them to come up with bogus accounts in forums such as this to see who they can track. It wouldn't be worth it for the small time player, but anyone who is a high roller, I'd think seriously about posting ANYTHING which could hurt you financially.
Just because we go by aliases, doesn't mean there aren't ways to hack and get information. And with banks changing over from VISA to MC for bank/debit cards, this says a lot too, in my book. We all know Master Card pretty much shut down on online gambling in February of this year. Looks like VISA may be following suit. Banks are buckling down on international transactions.
New and improved (NOT!) ewallets are popping up left and right hoping to cash in on the US players. I'm sure we will soon be seeing multiple threads on "roguish" ewallets. Roguish casinos will become a vague and not too distant memory.
Lack of communication by casino reps leaves one wondering what they are hiding, or if they are being kept in the dark by EWX (which seems highly unlikely, as they most certainly would want to keep up on ANYTHING which will affect THEIR funds). But then again, perhaps they are living by the old adage of "loose lips sink ships"....
***As of 8:51 AM ET - 19 casino reps logged into the site so far today, how many actually participated in a thread????***
For those who can/are still playing, I hope you do so with the utmost care. Who knows what these crazy politicians will come up with next. I wouldn't put it past them to come up with bogus accounts in forums such as this to see who they can track. It wouldn't be worth it for the small time player, but anyone who is a high roller, I'd think seriously about posting ANYTHING which could hurt you financially.
Just because we go by aliases, doesn't mean there aren't ways to hack and get information. And with banks changing over from VISA to MC for bank/debit cards, this says a lot too, in my book. We all know Master Card pretty much shut down on online gambling in February of this year. Looks like VISA may be following suit. Banks are buckling down on international transactions.
New and improved (NOT!) ewallets are popping up left and right hoping to cash in on the US players. I'm sure we will soon be seeing multiple threads on "roguish" ewallets. Roguish casinos will become a vague and not too distant memory.
Lack of communication by casino reps leaves one wondering what they are hiding, or if they are being kept in the dark by EWX (which seems highly unlikely, as they most certainly would want to keep up on ANYTHING which will affect THEIR funds). But then again, perhaps they are living by the old adage of "loose lips sink ships"....
***As of 8:51 AM ET - 19 casino reps logged into the site so far today, how many actually participated in a thread????***
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I noticed that too Ksech, I was wondering why they have not come in and commented also.
But my question is this, even if they are told to be quiet about the seizure, there are so many ways without saying anything about the seizure to let the players know what is exactly going on. But they chose not to. WHY? I can't figure this one out.
To give you an example, here in the US you can not accuse anyone of stealing merchandise from a store. However, if you know someone has stolen an item, like a shirt, and placed it in their handbag, shopping bag etc, you can ask them something like this "Would you like to pay for the shirt in your bag?" Your not accusing them of stealing, but letting them know you know they have a shirt in their bag that has not been paid for.
Do you see what I am saying? Why someone won't say anything makes me think most of what you have said is true.
LH
But my question is this, even if they are told to be quiet about the seizure, there are so many ways without saying anything about the seizure to let the players know what is exactly going on. But they chose not to. WHY? I can't figure this one out.
To give you an example, here in the US you can not accuse anyone of stealing merchandise from a store. However, if you know someone has stolen an item, like a shirt, and placed it in their handbag, shopping bag etc, you can ask them something like this "Would you like to pay for the shirt in your bag?" Your not accusing them of stealing, but letting them know you know they have a shirt in their bag that has not been paid for.
Do you see what I am saying? Why someone won't say anything makes me think most of what you have said is true.
LH
I think the silence on the subject is because they have their own ventures to look out for. All we would most likely get anyways would be the same canned response that has already been given over and over.
If your lively hood depended on people buying your product, but the feds made you change the ingredients so it is no longer good, would you risk losing all business and tell the consumer, or ride it out as long as possible to the very end?
This is what I see the casinos doing, riding it out till the creek dries up. Fact is, the player is not the concern, the players money is.
If your lively hood depended on people buying your product, but the feds made you change the ingredients so it is no longer good, would you risk losing all business and tell the consumer, or ride it out as long as possible to the very end?
This is what I see the casinos doing, riding it out till the creek dries up. Fact is, the player is not the concern, the players money is.
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Small bit of hope - just saw this article:
Apparently Sen. Reid is considering trying to overturn UIGEA (the law that EWX is allegedly violating).
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Apparently Sen. Reid is considering trying to overturn UIGEA (the law that EWX is allegedly violating).
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Say what?
I can't believe you actually let this amount of money sit in your EWE account. Use to use them and the minute all my deposits to EW cleared I got my money out of there.
Sent majority to bank and kept alittle to play with
I can't believe you actually let this amount of money sit in your EWE account. Use to use them and the minute all my deposits to EW cleared I got my money out of there.
Sent majority to bank and kept alittle to play with
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I wouldn't put it past them to have done this ALREADY. They often gather evidence by posing as gamblers in order to figure out how the money flows.
They could just as easily have accounts in the forums monitoring discussions about processors and payment methods. This would give them leads, from which they can organise "stings" to gather evidence.
Once they have a profile of how a particular casino or processor works, they can move to shut down that particular method.
This is probably how they tracked down EWX, and WILL trach down, and SHUT down, any other method that steps in to fill the void.
Their aim is probably to make it more trouble than it is worth for operators to fight against UIGEA enforcement. They have ALREADY driven large numbers of operators out of the US, so they know success.
In the UK, they have to LEAVE the store without paying before they can be challenged. This applies even if it is OBVIOUS what they are up to, such as hiding goods in pockets. If challenged before leaving, they CANNOT be convicted because they will say they intended to pay before leaving, and the store will have to prove "beyond doubt" that they intended to leave without paying. Only once they HAVE left without paying, do they have proof of intention not to pay. Even here these can be a defence of forgetfulness, and the shop has to prove this was intent, rather than an accident.
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As time goes on, it looks more and more like a mirror image of the Neteller debacle. Players who had money in their ewalletxpress accounts will probably NEVER see that money. And if they do, who's to say the government won't be watching to see WHERE the large amounts are heading to. Maybe it's purely irrational thinking (add in paranoia) on my part, but as the way the government is financially out of control...I'd be leery of playing, winning and having LARGE (more than a few hundred dollars) amounts of dollars deposited into my bank account.
Also, who's to say banking institutions won't start contacting the IRS when large international wires are made to personal accounts, to cover themselves from governmental beauracracy?
And, as with firepay, neteller,and several others... I'd say using any ewallet right now is HIGH risk. I googled "ewallets" and came up with approximately 18900 hits. Our government isn't so stupid (or maybe it is) as to not use any method available. The internet can be a GREAT tool, but in cases such as these, can be a very big DETRIMENTAL tool for the average joe out for a little fun.
Who's to say there isn't some committee set up to "feel out" casinos which accept players from the US. Then target the various methods for depositing and withdrawing. This is where internal investigation into bank accounts will come into play. Check your bank credit/debit cards if it's a VISA. If it's due to expire soon, ask your financial institution if they are going to continue with VISA or switch over to Master Card. If they are going to make the switch, it's almost a sure sign they are feeling the tightening of the belt from the UIGEA.
Although, this is purely speculation on my part, and maybe a bit of paranoia to add to the mix.
Also, who's to say banking institutions won't start contacting the IRS when large international wires are made to personal accounts, to cover themselves from governmental beauracracy?
And, as with firepay, neteller,and several others... I'd say using any ewallet right now is HIGH risk. I googled "ewallets" and came up with approximately 18900 hits. Our government isn't so stupid (or maybe it is) as to not use any method available. The internet can be a GREAT tool, but in cases such as these, can be a very big DETRIMENTAL tool for the average joe out for a little fun.
Who's to say there isn't some committee set up to "feel out" casinos which accept players from the US. Then target the various methods for depositing and withdrawing. This is where internal investigation into bank accounts will come into play. Check your bank credit/debit cards if it's a VISA. If it's due to expire soon, ask your financial institution if they are going to continue with VISA or switch over to Master Card. If they are going to make the switch, it's almost a sure sign they are feeling the tightening of the belt from the UIGEA.
Although, this is purely speculation on my part, and maybe a bit of paranoia to add to the mix.
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just a side note.... for those of us who used wallets like Firepay, NETeller, (and EWX, apparently) etc. which the feds shut down.... the DOJ and FBI already have everything on us... personal info... bank accounts to watch... blahblahblah.... real conforting, I know.
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just a side note.... for those of us who used wallets like Firepay, NETeller, (and EWX, apparently) etc. which the feds shut down.... the DOJ and FBI already have everything on us... personal info... bank accounts to watch... blahblahblah.... real conforting, I know.
And what about the casinos and ewallets who allowed players from the banned states to fund and play? I can almost guarantee, at least a few players from banned states were allowed to deposit, play and withdraw from even accreditted casinos. So, will these casinos tighten the reins of current players whom they deem high risk, when they actually win and go to make a withdrawal? Will this be another way for them to screw over players from cashing out? All they have to say is..."It's stated in our T&Cs, players can only play where it is legal in their jurisdictions".
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As has been mentioned already, all the info in this semi-protected thread can be found easily in many other forums without even having to register. If you and I know these things, the feds know them too and a lot more. In the end, the US govt. will receive a few million in forfeitures and fines and a big data base of information on players. Paypal and Neteller did it and so will EWX.
If as you say they are going to change our visa's to mc's again, then it will only be obvious they are one in the same and are certainly enjoying messing with our heads because they are not so sure what would happen if they arrested so many of us in our own homes minding our own business.
I think it will be interesting to see what EWX has been doing in their day to day business for the last year or so since obviously it wasn't processing and transferring funds for Canadian and American players
If as you say they are going to change our visa's to mc's again, then it will only be obvious they are one in the same and are certainly enjoying messing with our heads because they are not so sure what would happen if they arrested so many of us in our own homes minding our own business.
I think it will be interesting to see what EWX has been doing in their day to day business for the last year or so since obviously it wasn't processing and transferring funds for Canadian and American players
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just a side note.... for those of us who used wallets like Firepay, NETeller, (and EWX, apparently) etc. which the feds shut down.... the DOJ and FBI already have everything on us... personal info... bank accounts to watch... blahblahblah.... real conforting, I know.
Hey Mousey want a ride in my barb-wired canoe? don't even need a paddle to go up $hitcreek
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Latest Chat With EWX
Hello CM Members,
Okay so on a daily basis I go to EWX live help to see if there is anything new. As we all know, NO, they are still giving us the prewritten script that it is technical difficulties. Today I tried a different approach, I didn't ask if these technical difficulties were fixed. As you are reading the chat look at what John-Henery writes in his comments. Do you think he is agreeing with me on my first statement?( I have highlighted the text in red, and highlighted the response from John-Henry is blue.) A part of me does. Let me know what you guys think.
LH
The conversation:
Lori: It has been over 3 weeks now since the service has been seized, any date on when I can withdraw my money
You are now speaking with John-Henry of Customer Service.
Lori: Hello John-Henry
John-Henry: Hello. Cashouts are delayed at this time.
Please be advised that our service is temporarily unavailable. Right now we are unable to provide a timeframe in which this issue is expected to be resolved by, however our staff is working on rectifying this matter as soon as possible. We will be notifying all customers with any updates to our service by email as further details become available. eWalletXpress does appreciate your patience during this time, and would like to apologize for any inconvenience.
Lori: instead of apologizing and given me a pretyped message why not tell the truth and let me know when I am going to get my money
John-Henry: That is what is happening.
John-Henry: It is the same for everyone, that is why it is pretyped.
Lori: Your silence is most deafening, I know what is happening your funds have been seized, is EwalletXpress cooperating with the US government to rectify this situation so your customers can get paid? It was kind of rude to send out the satement that your funds have been seized to your merchants and not to your customers
Lori: can ya understand my frustration with that
John-Henry: Please be advised that our service is temporarily unavailable. Right now we are unable to provide a timeframe in which this issue is expected to be resolved by, however our staff is working on rectifying this matter as soon as possible. We will be notifying all customers with any updates to our service by email as further details become available. eWalletXpress does appreciate your patience during this time, and would like to apologize for any inconvenience.
Lori: you have got to be kidding me, well John-Henry, by you skirting around my questions answers everything. Thanks for not answering anyone of my questions but by you skirting around them you answered plenty!
Hello CM Members,
Okay so on a daily basis I go to EWX live help to see if there is anything new. As we all know, NO, they are still giving us the prewritten script that it is technical difficulties. Today I tried a different approach, I didn't ask if these technical difficulties were fixed. As you are reading the chat look at what John-Henery writes in his comments. Do you think he is agreeing with me on my first statement?( I have highlighted the text in red, and highlighted the response from John-Henry is blue.) A part of me does. Let me know what you guys think.
LH
The conversation:
Lori: It has been over 3 weeks now since the service has been seized, any date on when I can withdraw my money
You are now speaking with John-Henry of Customer Service.
Lori: Hello John-Henry
John-Henry: Hello. Cashouts are delayed at this time.
Please be advised that our service is temporarily unavailable. Right now we are unable to provide a timeframe in which this issue is expected to be resolved by, however our staff is working on rectifying this matter as soon as possible. We will be notifying all customers with any updates to our service by email as further details become available. eWalletXpress does appreciate your patience during this time, and would like to apologize for any inconvenience.
Lori: instead of apologizing and given me a pretyped message why not tell the truth and let me know when I am going to get my money
John-Henry: That is what is happening.
John-Henry: It is the same for everyone, that is why it is pretyped.
Lori: Your silence is most deafening, I know what is happening your funds have been seized, is EwalletXpress cooperating with the US government to rectify this situation so your customers can get paid? It was kind of rude to send out the satement that your funds have been seized to your merchants and not to your customers
Lori: can ya understand my frustration with that
John-Henry: Please be advised that our service is temporarily unavailable. Right now we are unable to provide a timeframe in which this issue is expected to be resolved by, however our staff is working on rectifying this matter as soon as possible. We will be notifying all customers with any updates to our service by email as further details become available. eWalletXpress does appreciate your patience during this time, and would like to apologize for any inconvenience.
Lori: you have got to be kidding me, well John-Henry, by you skirting around my questions answers everything. Thanks for not answering anyone of my questions but by you skirting around them you answered plenty!
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I bet that was pretyped, too. In fact, eWalletXpress has probably fired all of its employees and created a few simple scripts with names like "John-Henry.php".
Wait 30 seconds after a user types something and randomly generate one of five or six pretyped responses.
Great way to curb expenses!
My sympathies go out to anyone who has money tied up here.footdr
Banned User: PITA violations of the Forum Rules
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Time to "Wrap it up"....
The writing is on the wall and if you google and go to DOJ and U.s. Treasury and Fed websites you will find virtually nothing about what is going on.
This is when you shoiuld worry because we know that things" are going on".
I am following this senario, last plays using bonuses, cashout as much as I can to quicktender and get the heck out of dodge!
The writing is on the wall and if you google and go to DOJ and U.s. Treasury and Fed websites you will find virtually nothing about what is going on.
This is when you shoiuld worry because we know that things" are going on".
I am following this senario, last plays using bonuses, cashout as much as I can to quicktender and get the heck out of dodge!
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I think he is backing up the script, that's all. Too bad one of them doesn't slip up.
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I bet that was pretyped, too. In fact, eWalletXpress has probably fired all of its employees and created a few simple scripts with names like "John-Henry.php".
Wait 30 seconds after a user types something and randomly generate one of five or six pretyped responses.
Great way to curb expenses!
John Henry was a steel driving man who raced against a steam powered hammer and won, only to die in victory with his hammer in his hand. His hammer weighed 20 pounds and they say he weighed 33 pounds at birth.
Early in November, many players noticed that eWalletXpress was disappearing from many online gambling sites, and even ceased to be available through the cashier of many online gambling sites. When asked about the problem, eWalletXpress customer service informed consumers that they were experiencing “technical issues,” but the truth is turning to be explained by circumstances that are much more dire.
This week, management at a major online gambling informed SportsbookGurus that a federal warrant has been served to eWalletXpress. Like NETeller before it, eWalletXpress is likely to pull out of the American market immediately in order to prevent serious litigation, fines, seizures and damages.
Very few specific details have been released, but sources have been stating that funds are already being seized. The amount of money that has allegedly been seized or frozen has not yet been determined.
Account holders who have money in their eWalletXpress account can currently request to receive their funds through the e-mail address [email protected]. They are not sending out checks, but they will allegedly transfer funds back into checking accounts when the “technical issues are resolved.”
Many online gambling sites, particularly the larger ones such as Bodog and Intertops, have already been heavily affected. In the case where eWalletXpress was a primary deposit method, the loss is a heavy burden to bear. Fortunately, new deposit options are becoming more prevalent through many of the online casinos, such as WinPalace and Cherry Red, sportsbooks, and poker rooms.
Since the trouble began with eWalletXpress, several new deposit methods had been introduced to gambling sites that used eWalletXpress. MyPayLinQ and Digital-Pin are two examples of these.
UseMyWallet remains one of the few long running deposit options available to USA players. UseMyWallet is an invitation only service, but UseMyWallet sign up can easily be achieved through any reputable gambling site that accepts this method.
UseMyWallet is wise alternative to eWalletXpress due to the elevated security of this deposit method, as well as their similarities. UseMyWallet is widely available through all forms of gambling site, with an emphasis on sportsbooks and online casinos.
Assorted prepaid cards are also an option, including those that can be purchased online and in stores, ranging from Wal-Marts to convenience stores. Prepaid Card Casinos, sportsbooks, and poker sites are proving to be very valuable during this period of uncertainty.
Since the saga against deposit options continues in the United States, players are once again urged to write their senators and representatives requesting that the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, or the UIGEA, be over turned. The Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act, or HR 2267, is still working its way through Congress, spear-headed by Barney Frank, though it seems that the bill has fallen stagnant.
Having passed through the the House Financial Services Committee, HR 2267 was meant to be brought into the House of Representatives. Shortly after passing through the committee, the House went into the a period in which representatives handled case work. Elections further postponed the issue, and it is unlikely that HR 2267 will resurface before the year is through.
This week, management at a major online gambling informed SportsbookGurus that a federal warrant has been served to eWalletXpress. Like NETeller before it, eWalletXpress is likely to pull out of the American market immediately in order to prevent serious litigation, fines, seizures and damages.
Very few specific details have been released, but sources have been stating that funds are already being seized. The amount of money that has allegedly been seized or frozen has not yet been determined.
Account holders who have money in their eWalletXpress account can currently request to receive their funds through the e-mail address [email protected]. They are not sending out checks, but they will allegedly transfer funds back into checking accounts when the “technical issues are resolved.”
Many online gambling sites, particularly the larger ones such as Bodog and Intertops, have already been heavily affected. In the case where eWalletXpress was a primary deposit method, the loss is a heavy burden to bear. Fortunately, new deposit options are becoming more prevalent through many of the online casinos, such as WinPalace and Cherry Red, sportsbooks, and poker rooms.
Since the trouble began with eWalletXpress, several new deposit methods had been introduced to gambling sites that used eWalletXpress. MyPayLinQ and Digital-Pin are two examples of these.
UseMyWallet remains one of the few long running deposit options available to USA players. UseMyWallet is an invitation only service, but UseMyWallet sign up can easily be achieved through any reputable gambling site that accepts this method.
UseMyWallet is wise alternative to eWalletXpress due to the elevated security of this deposit method, as well as their similarities. UseMyWallet is widely available through all forms of gambling site, with an emphasis on sportsbooks and online casinos.
Assorted prepaid cards are also an option, including those that can be purchased online and in stores, ranging from Wal-Marts to convenience stores. Prepaid Card Casinos, sportsbooks, and poker sites are proving to be very valuable during this period of uncertainty.
Since the saga against deposit options continues in the United States, players are once again urged to write their senators and representatives requesting that the Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act, or the UIGEA, be over turned. The Internet Gambling Regulation, Consumer Protection, and Enforcement Act, or HR 2267, is still working its way through Congress, spear-headed by Barney Frank, though it seems that the bill has fallen stagnant.
Having passed through the the House Financial Services Committee, HR 2267 was meant to be brought into the House of Representatives. Shortly after passing through the committee, the House went into the a period in which representatives handled case work. Elections further postponed the issue, and it is unlikely that HR 2267 will resurface before the year is through.
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Any update on the EWX situation? Looks like someone in mainstream press would have reported this but I can find nothing... it's like nothing has happened.
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Where did this report come from? Is this current or from November? Personally, I don't believe that the Gov't is involved because there have been no stories about this anywhere and the Gov't would not want to keep this quiet. Does anyone have any current information?
I have over 10k here
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Im not buyin that story either.....Im lucky I dont use them....but I feel for those who have funds tied up. Something else is going on here....for sure.
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- Pacific NW
Time for a review or reality update. This is what I know about EWE situation which obviously affects me.
1. EWE had some sort of problem around Nov. 12-15 with no transactions after the 15th. A message is posted at EWE stating system upgrading issues. There is dispute on transactions from casinos stating funds were sent to EWE but EWE didn't add it to accounts. These funds are now in limbo.
2. Some poker site person states funds were seized and that casinos received a email stating that exactly. A copy of the email is not presented for viewing.
3. Casinos remove EWE as an option to fund/withdraw.
4. EWE sticks to a general script stating system issues.
5. EWE goes through the normal process to request withdrawals but no one is receiving their requested money.
6. There is no government or any official notice that funds were seized.
7. No casino managers, customer service people, or reps will openly comment on what is going on.
8. It's over 1 month now and nothing new is disclosed.
If funds were seized, wouldn't there be something official by now? Am I wrong or missing anything?
1. EWE had some sort of problem around Nov. 12-15 with no transactions after the 15th. A message is posted at EWE stating system upgrading issues. There is dispute on transactions from casinos stating funds were sent to EWE but EWE didn't add it to accounts. These funds are now in limbo.
2. Some poker site person states funds were seized and that casinos received a email stating that exactly. A copy of the email is not presented for viewing.
3. Casinos remove EWE as an option to fund/withdraw.
4. EWE sticks to a general script stating system issues.
5. EWE goes through the normal process to request withdrawals but no one is receiving their requested money.
6. There is no government or any official notice that funds were seized.
7. No casino managers, customer service people, or reps will openly comment on what is going on.
8. It's over 1 month now and nothing new is disclosed.
If funds were seized, wouldn't there be something official by now? Am I wrong or missing anything?
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Although this issue does not affect me directly, I'm beginning to worry on behalf of my American friends with money tied up with EWX.
I'd actually feel better is there was confirmation the funds were seized by the DOJ, because I would trust that eventually players would receive their money.
Even if it is true that the email stating funds were seized was sent out by EWX, that doesn't mean that that is a true fact.
I was told a rumour prior to November 15th that EWX was expected to do a runner with player money. I was told it was a rumour from a "reputable source". Perhaps a planned DOJ seizure was avoided by absconding with funds?
Surely there is some regulator or agency to file a complaint with? Interpol even?
Although I would hate to hear that grand scale theft occurred, at least people would know where they stood, instead of "technical issues".
I'd actually feel better is there was confirmation the funds were seized by the DOJ, because I would trust that eventually players would receive their money.
Even if it is true that the email stating funds were seized was sent out by EWX, that doesn't mean that that is a true fact.
I was told a rumour prior to November 15th that EWX was expected to do a runner with player money. I was told it was a rumour from a "reputable source". Perhaps a planned DOJ seizure was avoided by absconding with funds?
Surely there is some regulator or agency to file a complaint with? Interpol even?
Although I would hate to hear that grand scale theft occurred, at least people would know where they stood, instead of "technical issues".
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It is amazing that someone somewhere doesn't know a little something and or wont spill it. Let's get Wikileaks on it.
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- Reno,nevada
am beginning to think that EWE skipped town with our money.if the govn't siezed our money we would of heard something by now.EWE is probably just stalling while they collect our money and run.cleaning there tracks so no one can catch them.I hope to god i am wrong cause i have $420 in EWE,but what else is left to think,who do we complain to?
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It is amazing that someone somewhere doesn't know a little something and or wont spill it. Let's get Wikileaks on it.
the guy who owns wikileaks is in jail,LMAO i have never been to them but can they help?
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I doubt Wikileaks has time to but they sure as heck might know something. I've been searching this morning for any new tidbit on EWX but so far haven't found much. Sure is strange.
I have over 10k here
Oh my word. I hope that you get that back. I hope everyone gets their money back. This is terrible.
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- Pacific NW
I wonder what the employees are thinking. Either they are involved in some sort of scam with a potential payoff, know something else that is going on but still show up for work and stick to the script, or are completely stupid.
There have been no transactions for almost 1 1/2 months now. Can't believe anyone working there would think that's ok.
There have been no transactions for almost 1 1/2 months now. Can't believe anyone working there would think that's ok.
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I doubt Wikileaks has time to but they sure as heck might know something. I've been searching this morning for any new tidbit on EWX but so far haven't found much. Sure is strange.
Every time I do a search, all I end up with is online gaming portal news thingys. All of which basically 'report' 3rd or 4th hand info -- 'he told me they said that he said' type thing. Thousands and thousands of dollars (and more) tied up for -- how long? 6 -8 weeks? and no one actually knows anything. Least of all the people who actually have money stuck in EWX.
It's just weird...
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Bryan can't you find out anything? You know people who know people etc. etc. etc.
just a thought.
just a thought.
greasemonkey
Banned User - flaming
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Bryan can't you find out anything? You know people who know people etc. etc. etc.
just a thought.
that would be wonderful if we only had some info here.
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EWE mailing address is in toronto,ontario i wonder if we contact the local police if they could investigate to see what's going on at there address.am a little scared to do it cause i live in a banned state,nevada( funny i can go to local market,gas station and play slot machines ,but am not allowed to gamble on line LOL).anyone else willing to do it?address is:
EWE -
157 Adelaide street west
suit 418
Toronto,Ontario
Canada, msH 4E7
am going to do a search and maybe i can file a complaint online.let you guys know.maybe everyone who has money tied up in EWE should also file a complaint maybe with all the complaints they would work harder to find something out ,just an thought
EWE -
157 Adelaide street west
suit 418
Toronto,Ontario
Canada, msH 4E7
am going to do a search and maybe i can file a complaint online.let you guys know.maybe everyone who has money tied up in EWE should also file a complaint maybe with all the complaints they would work harder to find something out ,just an thought
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I located what division they were set up in and contacted them,know hopefully i will get a respons.I feel if alot of us do this than we might get some good results.
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EWX is owned by Navajo Networks. They have a corporate phone number listed on their site. Might be worth a call to them.
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Bryan can't you find out anything? You know people who know people etc. etc. etc.
just a thought.
All I know is that the US Federal Government has seized all funds from eWalletXpress. That's about it. Hopefully they will release the monies owed to players, but this is the Federal Government. I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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This is what happened with Neteller. It took a couple of YEARS for players to get their money back after Neteller made an agreement to pull out of the USA permanently, and pay a fine related to the profits made from US customers.
The "technical issues" excuse is nothing more than stalling. WHY the great secrecy though, with some operators saying "I cannot comment", and one spilling the beans a while back, and then going silent.
Maybe there is merit in keeping this news quiet for a period of time. I have heard that US customers have 90 days to dispute a transaction with their banks, so perhaps they are trying to stall so that customers are "out of time" by the time they find out what has happened.
What Bryan "knows" is what I suspected in November. I have never heard of any company taking MONTHS to sort out a "technical issue" that more or less shuts it down.
I wonder why the employees are still there, since they are not going to get paid at the end of the month if all the funds have been seized.
Since EWX serves both Canadian and US customers, what right does the US government have seizing funds from CANADIAN customers?
