Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[trancemonkey]

As a programmer, I understand statistics pretty well.

So what if it still happens with bets like these?

Also, it's not just the fact that the ball constantly drops just outside the chipped area... it's also the way that it happens.
Here are the two most likely scenarios:
A. Either the ball hits an invisible wall mid-air and suddenly stops dead exactly outside the winning area;
or
B. The ball drops comfortably in a winning area, sometimes with up to four or five winning numbers flanking it on each side. It will then jump out (often after almost a full second of lying perfectly still) and find the nearest unchipped slot.

It's almost never a clean landing.

And... it NEVER happens in your favour. It NEVER jumps out of a losing number into a winning one.
The laws of physics seem oddly picky...

You have a 1 in 6 chance of having a losing spin there...
Also, i'm only talking about FOBT's, as these are the ones i've coded and know about...
I can't really comment on the live roulette games, but i seriously doubt they are rigged...

Bear in mind there are a lot of people betting at the same time right? So what's bad for you is likely good for someone else... in isolation, you might think it's rigged against you, but across all the other players there are likely as many winners as losers.

Roulette is a game about maths - it has a 97.2% RTP... end of. The house always wins.

 

[Reelsoffun]

As a programmer, I understand statistics pretty well.

So what if it still happens with bets like these?

Also, it's not just the fact that the ball constantly drops just outside the chipped area... it's also the way that it happens.
Here are the two most likely scenarios:
A. Either the ball hits an invisible wall mid-air and suddenly stops dead exactly outside the winning area;
or
B. The ball drops comfortably in a winning area, sometimes with up to four or five winning numbers flanking it on each side. It will then jump out (often after almost a full second of lying perfectly still) and find the nearest unchipped slot.

It's almost never a clean landing.

And... it NEVER happens in your favour. It NEVER jumps out of a losing number into a winning one.
The laws of physics seem oddly picky...

Next time your going to do that please let me know my 7 and 17 neighbour bets are gonna make me a mint !

 

[kelapa]

You have a 1 in 6 chance of having a losing spin there...

Correct. Now what are the odds of playing that bet 24 times without winning?

I can't really comment on the live roulette games, but i seriously doubt they are rigged...

It's certainly technically possible to rig these tables.
And I'm not sure what's supposed to stop Evolution from doing so. They're on Malta, which is basically run by the mob. Inspections are rare and always announced.

Bear in mind there are a lot of people betting at the same time right? So what's bad for you is likely good for someone else... in isolation, you might think it's rigged against you, but across all the other players there are likely as many winners as losers.

The software can easily pick out the number that is the most beneficial to the house. And sometimes, if there's not that many players online, there will be numbers left unchipped. Easy money for Evo.

 

[trancemonkey]

Correct. Now what are the odds of playing that bet 24 times without winning?



It's certainly technically possible to rig these tables.
And I'm not sure what's supposed to stop Evolution from doing so. They're on Malta, which is basically run by the mob. Inspections are rare and always announced.



The software can easily pick out the number that is the most beneficial to the house. And sometimes, if there's not that many players online, there will be numbers left unchipped. Easy money for Evo.

Malta is a well respected Gaming Authority... it probably falls behind the UKGC and Kahawake in terms of reputation but it certainly isn't "run by the mob".

And yes of course it's technically possible to do most things nowadays... but that is in no way proof that they do.

And to answer your question, it's 6 ^ 24. But I simply don't believe you lost 24 times on the trot with a NO WIN.

 

[Itzpjx]

As a programmer, I understand statistics pretty well.

So what if it still happens with bets like these?

Also, it's not just the fact that the ball constantly drops just outside the chipped area... it's also the way that it happens.
Here are the two most likely scenarios:
A. Either the ball hits an invisible wall mid-air and suddenly stops dead exactly outside the winning area;
or
B. The ball drops comfortably in a winning area, sometimes with up to four or five winning numbers flanking it on each side. It will then jump out (often after almost a full second of lying perfectly still) and find the nearest unchipped slot.

It's almost never a clean landing.

And... it NEVER happens in your favour. It NEVER jumps out of a losing number into a winning one.
The laws of physics seem oddly picky...

Have you played it today how is it?

 

[Itzpjx]

As a programmer, I understand statistics pretty well.

So what if it still happens with bets like these?

Also, it's not just the fact that the ball constantly drops just outside the chipped area... it's also the way that it happens.
Here are the two most likely scenarios:
A. Either the ball hits an invisible wall mid-air and suddenly stops dead exactly outside the winning area;
or
B. The ball drops comfortably in a winning area, sometimes with up to four or five winning numbers flanking it on each side. It will then jump out (often after almost a full second of lying perfectly still) and find the nearest unchipped slot.

It's almost never a clean landing.

And... it NEVER happens in your favour. It NEVER jumps out of a losing number into a winning one.
The laws of physics seem oddly picky...

I played lighting roulette yestaday didn’t win anything as usual.

 

[kelapa]

Have you played it today how is it?

I don't really play anymore. But if it's going shit for you, it'll probably be shit for me too.

edit: Fine, I'll have a go. What could go wrong?

edit 2: Played twelve spins.
Each and EVERY single one of them, the ball was zapped out of a winning number and into a losing one. Same old shit. One time, the ball even landed half the wheel away from the nearest losing number. No problem: from a perfectly still position, it started slowly rolling again, slot by slot by slot until it found that losing number. "Physics"
RIGGED. Period.

edit 3: Played four more spins with the same chips as in the picture I showed earlier:

Lost all four: 17, 29, 7, 25
My favourite one was when it landed on 31 (JACKPOT)... then very, very slowly reversed until it reached 29.

 

[Itzpjx]

I had a similar expirence with lighting roulette went on 0 then somehow ended up on 15 how much did you lose?

 

[trancemonkey]

I don't really play anymore. But if it's going shit for you, it'll probably be shit for me too.

edit: Fine, I'll have a go. What could go wrong?

edit 2: Played twelve spins.
Each and EVERY single one of them, the ball was zapped out of a winning number and into a losing one. Same old shit. One time, the ball even landed half the wheel away from the nearest losing number. No problem: from a perfectly still position, it started slowly rolling again, slot by slot by slot until it found that losing number. "Physics"
RIGGED. Period.

edit 3: Played four more spins with the same chips as in the picture I showed earlier:

Lost all four: 17, 29, 7, 25
My favourite one was when it landed on 31 (JACKPOT)... then very, very slowly reversed until it reached 29.

So if it rigged every single spin for the whole session, do it again and this time video the whole session and upload it.

 

[Reelsoffun]

Yeah I agree, its now time to show us proof of your claims in video so we can see with our own eyes whats going on as its becoming a stretch to believe these runs your claiming to have all the time, as getting 12 in a row losers as you said you took a break leaving your 6 off is

1 in 3,024,166,402 yes 1 in 3 billion! So it is indeed either rigged or you are bending the truth a little, with some exaggeration. eg they weren't continuous spins.

 

[Itzpjx]

I wish I recorded my sessions last 5 deposit all I’ve done is lose lose lose it’s ridiculous

 

[kelapa]

Well, I used TinyCam for the videos that I had uploaded earlier, but that only lets me record for a few minutes at a time.
And just now, I tried a Chrome app called Screencastify, but that slowwwwws down everything, so better to have a recording program that's independent from the browser.
Anyone got any tips for a decent bit of screen recording software?

For now, here's the result of my short-lived experience with Screencastify. Just two spins.

The first spin should've actually been a win, but ironically the app slowed down my mouse so that I couldn't place my chips around the winning number in time.

The second spin is quite typical. Lands exactly next to my extensively chipped region.

If I get some proper recording gear, I'll make it into a proper session.

 

[Itzpjx]

Deposited 50 got 240 nice profit ain’t had a withdrawel for a long time now I just need to verify I think they do that to tilt people to keep playing because they should ask for it at the start

 

[Itzpjx]

I won it on immersive roulette slots wasent doing anything as usually

 

[trancemonkey]

Well, I used TinyCam for the videos that I had uploaded earlier, but that only lets me record for a few minutes at a time.
And just now, I tried a Chrome app called Screencastify, but that slowwwwws down everything, so better to have a recording program that's independent from the browser.
Anyone got any tips for a decent bit of screen recording software?

For now, here's the result of my short-lived experience with Screencastify. Just two spins.

The first spin should've actually been a win, but ironically the app slowed down my mouse so that I couldn't place my chips around the winning number in time.

The second spin is quite typical. Lands exactly next to my extensively chipped region.

If I get some proper recording gear, I'll make it into a proper session.

Use Bandicam - it's free for up to 30 minutes i think....

 

[trancemonkey]

Well, I used TinyCam for the videos that I had uploaded earlier, but that only lets me record for a few minutes at a time.
And just now, I tried a Chrome app called Screencastify, but that slowwwwws down everything, so better to have a recording program that's independent from the browser.
Anyone got any tips for a decent bit of screen recording software?

For now, here's the result of my short-lived experience with Screencastify. Just two spins.

The first spin should've actually been a win, but ironically the app slowed down my mouse so that I couldn't place my chips around the winning number in time.

The second spin is quite typical. Lands exactly next to my extensively chipped region.

If I get some proper recording gear, I'll make it into a proper session.

I hope you are not trying to infer that these two spins are proof of the game being rigged?

On the first spin you have a 20 in 36 (5 in 9) chance of losing
On the second, you had a 9 in 36 ( 1 in 4 ) chance of losing

I also didn't see anything dodgy with the ball movement in either spin....

I look forward to seeing you lose 24 times on the trot with only 6 numbers uncovered The chance of that is so small, not even google can give me the number in a standard format, so if you do that, i'll be right behind you at the UKGC... i very much doubt we'll be watching a video like that though, will we....

 

[kelapa]

I hope you are not trying to infer that these two spins are proof of the game being rigged?

On the first spin you have a 20 in 36 (5 in 9) chance of losing
On the second, you had a 9 in 36 ( 1 in 4 ) chance of losing

I also didn't see anything dodgy with the ball movement in either spin....

I look forward to seeing you lose 24 times on the trot with only 6 numbers uncovered The chance of that is so small, not even google can give me the number in a standard format, so if you do that, i'll be right behind you at the UKGC... i very much doubt we'll be watching a video like that though, will we....

Like I said, it's just two spins.
Ball movement was normal in both of them.

Second spin's outcome was extremely typical though. Exactly one number outside the winning area.
That's what happens every single time. *shrug*

I'll give Bandicam a go and then we'll see what happens.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Do you really think Evolution is going to scam you for those 50 cent and €1 bets that you have on your numbers? That seems like a pretty long con... especially since there are players winning 5k on one spin, albeit they probably stake alot more too so it's not a net win.

 

[kelapa]

Do you really think Evolution is going to scam you for those 50 cent and €1 bets that you have on your numbers? That seems like a pretty long con... especially since there are players winning 5k on one spin, albeit they probably stake alot more too so it's not a net win.

If I were them, this is exactly how I would do it.
Keep on raking in the smaller bets.

 

[Itzpjx]

If I were them, this is exactly how I would do it.
Keep on raking in the smaller bets.

Try immersive roulette that’s what I’ve won on yestaday

 

[Janek12]

People need to chill with the conspiracy theories lol

Mafia?


Anyway, off to play some Bonanza

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[kelapa]

Use Bandicam - it's free for up to 30 minutes i think....

Bandicam looks very useful so far, thanks!

I lost my entire profit from the Champions League final to 22 consecutive losing spins (each with at least 52% chance to win), so I've already reached my limit for the day.

All I could record so far was me playing nine spins without money. What I do is point at two regions (one number + neighbours) of the board each round, predicting where the ball will fall. I got 6 out of 9 right, which is about my usual score when I do this.


Yet somehow I can't win a single spin betting on far more numbers for far more rounds whenever I actually use money.

 

[goatwack]

Bandicam looks very useful so far, thanks!

I lost my entire profit from the Champions League final to 22 consecutive losing spins (each with at least 52% chance to win), so I've already reached my limit for the day.

All I could record so far was me playing nine spins without money. What I do is point at two regions (one number + neighbours) of the board each round, predicting where the ball will fall. I got 6 out of 9 right, which is about my usual score when I do this.


Yet somehow I can't win a single spin betting on far more numbers for far more rounds whenever I actually use money.

Look on the bright side, at least the dealer's kinda hot

 

[kelapa]

Look on the bright side, at least the dealer's kinda hot

Well, I already have a hot wife who doesn't rob me.

 

[pinnit2014]

I’m distinctly non hot and I do the robbing. And they say I’m the stupid one

 

[goatwack]

I’m distinctly non hot and I do the robbing. And they say I’m the stupid one

Nothing wrong with that, equality and everything

 

[kelapa]

All I could record so far was me playing nine spins without money. What I do is point at two regions (one number + neighbours) of the board each round, predicting where the ball will fall. I got 6 out of 9 right, which is about my usual score when I do this.


Yet somehow I can't win a single spin betting on far more numbers for far more rounds whenever I actually use money.

Had another stab at this.

Predicted 24 consecutive spins by pointing at two regions (one number + neighbours) each round.
Got 22 of them right. Many of them even the exact number.

Then I was stupid enough to give it a go with money. All lost, all gone.

The second the money was gone and I started playing without chips again, everything went back to normal. Got every single spin right.

 

[kelapa]

As promised, recorded a quick session.

Watch:

1. Keep an eye on which regions have been chipped.
2. And keep an eye on the movements of the ball.

ROUND 1
Ball lands exactly where predicted (around 7).
But then the ball starts rolling, rolling, rolling... past fourteen winning numbers... alllll the way to the other side of the board until it finds a safe, unchipped slot.

ROUND 2
Again, ball lands exactly where predicted (around 1).
Ball weirdly reverses and rolls back until it finds the nearest unchipped number (18). I already knew that that's where it would stop when it started moving.

ROUND 3
Yet again, ball lands around a winning number.
And again, it weirdly starts "creeping" and bouncing around the wheel... past TWENTY winning number... until it once again manages to find a losing number.

ROUND 4
Unfortunately, those three rounds immediately killed me for the day, so this bet was rejected.
Of course it landed on a winner.


Keep in mind that these things will happen consistently, each and every spin. And these weird jumps and bounces will NEVER, EVER, E-V-E-R move the ball from a losing number to a winning one. It's absolutely 101% always in favour of the house.

 

[ed skull murphy]

I just experienced rejected bets occurring to my advantage, which I imagined must have been some sort of divine intervention, because those bets were bigger than average. But it later turned out that Evolution had a lot of traffic, as they put out a message on the chat that they were receiving more requests than usual, and apologies for any disruption, (or words to that effect). Maybe it was a bit of both

I suppose that when your platform is spread so widely, as is the case with Evolution, then traffic numbers can be hard to predict.

Kelapa, I admire your determination to expose 'these rogues', but you are either the unluckiest roulette player ever, or you need to try a new table or a new platform, or a different casino.

 

[kelapa]

I just experienced rejected bets occurring to my advantage, which I imagined must have been some sort of divine intervention, because those bets were bigger than average. But it later turned out that Evolution had a lot of traffic, as they put out a message on the chat that they were receiving more requests than usual, and apologies for any disruption, (or words to that effect). Maybe it was a bit of both

I suppose that when your platform is spread so widely, as is the case with Evolution, then traffic numbers can be hard to predict.

Kelapa, I admire your determination to expose 'these rogues', but you are either the unluckiest roulette player ever, or you need to try a new table or a new platform, or a different casino.

Well, a small miracle happened shortly after I made that video.
I turned ~ € 20 into € 352 over the course of the next hour. Some fluke?

It felt really weird winning anything at Evo.. let alone multiple times.
The ball behaved fairly normally as well. Not much in the way of weird jumps and stops.

Let's see if this continues. I'll have another go this afternoon.
Not going to push my luck though. If the ball starts going berzerk again, I'm logging out before they take all of my € 352 back...

 

[goatwack]

Well, a small miracle happened shortly after I made that video.
I turned ~ € 20 into € 352 over the course of the next hour. Some fluke?

It felt really weird winning anything at Evo.. let alone multiple times.
The ball behaved fairly normally as well. Not much in the way of weird jumps and stops.

Let's see if this continues. I'll have another go this afternoon.

Those mushrooms you had for your meals, prior to playing, did they taste funny?

 

[kelapa]

Those mushrooms you had for your meals, prior to playing, did they taste funny?

It was really weird.
Like somebody beating the shit out of you for a month straight, then giving you a box of chocolates.
Took me a while to stop flinching.

 

[goatwack]

Hardly a dent in how much you've lost on these games though is it

They were probably having an off-day, or technical problems

 

[kelapa]

Hardly a dent in how much you've lost on these games though is it

They were probably having an off-day, or technical problems

Yeah, I really don't trust it. Think I'll poke it with a stick first to see what it does next..

 

[kelapa]

Alas, they're up to their usual antics again.
Oh well, it was nice while it lasted.

 

[kelapa]

Still at it.

Thirty-two spins in a row, each spin a 68% chance of winning. Not a single win.

Even got to a point where I just hit repeat three times, and each time, the ball flew away from the winning numbers to land on 0.
When I covered 0, it never fell again.

I know I"m not saying anything new, but I'll say it again. Evolution Gaming is corrupt to the bone.

edit: Gave up on playing regions after the 78th spin.
Played stuff like high/low odd/even red/black for a few rounds. It just fell on the opposite of whatever I did for 17 successive rounds before the remains of my € 210 ran out.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Still at it.

Thirty-two spins in a row, each spin a 68% chance of winning. Not a single win.

Even got to a point where I just hit repeat three times, and each time, the ball flew away from the winning numbers to land on 0.
When I covered 0, it never fell again.

I know I"m not saying anything new, but I'll say it again. Evolution Gaming is corrupt to the bone.

edit: Gave up on playing regions after the 78th spin.
Played stuff like high/low odd/even red/black for a few rounds. It just fell on the opposite of whatever I did for 17 successive rounds before the remains of my € 210 ran out.

Are you recording these phenomenal streaks and putting them on YouTube?

 

[AndyP24]

Of course I'm sure evolution look at your mostly <£50 bets and think let's rig the wheel to make sure THIS guy doesn't win, meanwhile there's other guys betting much bigger than you winning thousands? It makes no sense.

And that's even if I believe that the 68% chance didn't come in 32 times in a row, the odds of that happening at absolutely astronomical, you're either extremely unlucky or making stuff up. I tend to go with the later as you have no screenshots showing these massive losing streaks or video.

 

[kelapa]

Of course I'm sure evolution look at your mostly <£50 bets and think let's rig the wheel to make sure THIS guy doesn't win, meanwhile there's other guys betting much bigger than you winning thousands? It makes no sense.

Who said I'm the only one?
The chat was filled with people going "come oooooon", "pfffffff", "impossible", "rigged". Not a single "yay" from anyone.

And, as I've repeatedly mentioned, the big winners never say a single word. It's not unlikely that those are bots.

And that's even if I believe that the 68% chance didn't come in 32 times in a row, the odds of that happening at absolutely astronomical, you're either extremely unlucky or making stuff up. I tend to go with the later as you have no screenshots showing these massive losing streaks or video.

For what it's worth, I've already posted a whole bunch of videos.

I'll see if I can capture some more tomorrow. Today I'm all played out.

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

I'll admit I haven't read this whole thread but I was surprised it was still going.
I'd assumed no videos had been posted because surely the admin staff here would have stepped in by now and taken action (against the casino)?

 

[TheresNoDInBonanza]

Also, I don't understand if you're getting so thoroughly screwed why on earth are you still playing there?

 

[Borgie]

Who said I'm the only one?
The chat was filled with people going "come oooooon", "pfffffff", "impossible", "rigged". Not a single "yay" from anyone.

And, as I've repeatedly mentioned, the big winners never say a single word. It's not unlikely that those are bots.



For what it's worth, I've already posted a whole bunch of videos.

I'll see if I can capture some more tomorrow. Today I'm all played out.

Is it just 4 spins you have posted or are there more ?

 

[ed skull murphy]

Also, I don't understand if you're getting so thoroughly screwed why on earth are you still playing there?

Same platform, same table, same casino... Kelapa, come on man, try something different, FFS!

The live streams are the best; Grosvenor, Hippodrome, Dragonara, Grand Casino Bucharest, Admiral Gibraltar, and Mr.Green has some more exotic ones. It's a whole new world.

 

[TheAddict]

Some bounces in your vids indeed look strange imo but im no expert and dont even play the game.
but andy is talking aboutthe losing streaks.
I appreciate you said you didnt record those and Dr. Emmet Brown is unavailable but if you step back and put yourself in the readers shoes and imagine someone coming to you within the course of 2 weeks, saying "last week i bet 30/36 numbers and it lost 24+ times in a row, and just now i was 68% favorite to hit something yet it managed to lose 32 times in a row, although i didnt record those 2 sessions" . It either makes you look like the unluckiest roullette player online, or someone who has exaggerated the results a wee bit to prove the point he wants to make.

This is not an accusation.

 

[goatwack]

Some bounces in your vids indeed look strange imo but im no expert and dont even play the game.
but andy is talking aboutthe losing streaks.
I appreciate you said you didnt record those and Dr. Emmet Brown is unavailable but if you step back and put yourself in the readers shoes and imagine someone coming to you within the course of 2 weeks, saying "last week i bet 30/36 numbers and it lost 24+ times in a row, and just now i was 68% favorite to hit something yet it managed to lose 32 times in a row, although i didnt record those 2 sessions" . It either makes you look like the unluckiest roullette player online, or someone who has exaggerated the results a wee bit to prove the point he wants to make.

This is not an accusation.

Sounds like one to me.

Put up your dukes, good man

 

[ed skull murphy]

Sounds like one to me.

Put up your dukes, good man

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Oooh er! Missus! He looks a bit of alright!

 

[TheAddict]

Lmao.
No matter what you do here there's always a goat looking over your bloody shoulder...

 

[goatwack]

Lmao.
No matter what you do here there's always a goat looking over your bloody shoulder...

Just looking out for you, I promise

 

[kelapa]

Just looking out for you, I promise

Oooh er! Missus! He looks a bit of alright!

Kinda looks like one of those anatomically not quite correct action figures.