Evolution Live Roulette - the most awesome thread of conspiracy theorists

[pinnit2014]

Could send someone in undercover as a dealer

They'll just cut the live feed

 

[kelapa]

People need to chill with the conspiracy theories lol

Mafia?

You've probably not lived in one of the very real countries where maffia is a very real thing. (The country that I have listed there in my profile isn't the actual one where I live either.)
They unfortunately live up to the cliché all too often.

 

[neilw]

That's kinda the problem here.
Got any other suggestions?

I don't.

I'm planning to educate myself further by arranging a visit to see the TCS Huxley wheels being built. They are all hand made in a factory in Stoke in the North of England.

I'll certainly be asking them about how they secure the wheels from tampering etc.

My advice is to stop playing if you believe EVO is so bad. Go play at Playtech or Netent for a change and see how you get on with their roulette.

 

[kelapa]

I don't.

I'm planning to educate myself further by arranging a visit to see the TCS Huxley wheels being built. They are all hand made in a factory in Stoke in the North of England.

I'll certainly be asking them about how they secure the wheels from tampering etc.

Relevant question: how exactly do they detect which number the ball has landed on?
Software that interprets the video to see which number is blanked out by the ball?
Or triggers in the number slots?

 

[paul7388]

Hmmm, where's it been proven? All I've seen so far is acquisitions.

Was just being sarcastic.

Made it clear before what i think of the rigged and conspiracy theories lol.

 

[goatwack]

Was just being sarcastic.

Made it clear before what i think of the rigged ans conspiracy theories lol.

We had enough of them at the Eurovision thread

ps Cyprus were robbed

 

[paul7388]

We had enough of them at the Eurovision thread

ps Cyprus were robbed

Goatie get over it. The Chicken ruled the roost

 

[lockinlove]

lol this thread.

Its rigged! Goes and deposits and plays more. Comes back. Its rigged! BRB gotta go play more!

Dont report them I heard if you do the Sopranos will get you.

 

[paul7388]

lol this thread.

Its rigged! Goes and deposits and plays more. Comes back. Its rigged! BRB gotta go play more!

Dont report them I heard if you do the Sopranos will get you.

I like these kind of threads. For whatever reason they amuse me lol

 

[goatwack]

lol this thread.

Its rigged! Goes and deposits and plays more. Comes back. Its rigged! BRB gotta go play more!

Dont report them I heard if you do the Sopranos will get you.

Hey listen it's between this or the Tru err North Korea thread ok!

 

[kelapa]

lol this thread.

Its rigged! Goes and deposits and plays more. Comes back. Its rigged! BRB gotta go play more!

Dont report them I heard if you do the Sopranos will get you.

It's only as ridiculous as it's sad.

The town hall of the place where I was born was blown up by maffia because somebody got too nosey.
What might sound like a b-movie script to you is someone else's banal reality.

And that kind of stuff is literally what keeps very large, dodgy companies on Malta in business.

 

[aceking123]

easy answer to this, have a current back ground going with time & date showing at all times news feed or something that is used world wide , let people move around behind tables , even better use a live game roulette , this way there is no argument regarding to live games , some software's as Nielw has pointed out already show some of these, if in doubt dont play its simple , ive have my far of dodgy spins over the years also with many many connections losses & screen blackouts to which i hate , since then i record it all , as ive already been stung twice from good CM casinos stating the bets failed & i hadn't placed any etc etc.

 

[paul7388]

Hey listen it's between this or the Tru err North Korea thread ok!

Is that thread still going

 

[goatwack]

Is that thread still going

I think it died a disgraceful death

I only pop in for the Iran highlights

 

[Reelsoffun]

Ok, this wont be the same for everyone but here is my breakdown of why i play online rather than BM casinos.

Playing online roulette LIVE dealer wheels ONLY ( Supercasino / pokerstars are the two im playing currently )

I believe pokerstars LIVE roulette is the EVO your refering too?

Anyway.....for me

Pros
No travel time wasted ( 2hrs+ for me )
No travel costs incurred
Lower chip / bet values
Lower target needed
Can be playing within minutes
Can visit more frequently
Shorter sessions
Generally higher SPH
Easier to track and log play data

Cons
Don't get to interact with real people and dealers
Possible connection issues or other tech faults inc unaccepted bets
Unable to really know if the games are fair
Slower cash outs
Possible future SOW issues

In addition to this data i log for each session

Total bets
Total wins
Session profit loss and
Session / total Time played
Spins
Total bankroll used

I will be honest This month isn't going great so far but the first 6 days I was playing around with a new betting method, which i am still tweeking but this is from the 1st of this month.

Bets £5,039
Wins £5,049
Spins 1263
Time 22:15hrs

Also the way i see it if i visited a BM casino say twice a week, that would cost me £1,200 minimum a year which is a lot harder to overcome than a 2.7% HE from home

So to the online haters maybe this is food for thought that although online can appear and maybe is dodgy for the time being i consider it the better bet for me win or lose its fun. ( mostly )

Please all feel free to chip in with any other comments

 

[kelapa]

if in doubt dont play

Definitely.

But that's it? Everyone just lets them keep doing their thing?
I'll be okay (albeit pissed off), but other people won't..

 

[neilw]

But that's it? Everyone just lets them keep doing their thing?
I'll be okay (albeit pissed off), but other people won't..

If someone really wanted to take them to task, they need to investigate and gather physical evidence. I keep saying this, but in any dispute, concrete evidence is needed to be able to pursue a claim.

To do that you'd need money and contacts in the industry. The live casino industry is small, most people have worked for most of the suppliers, so if something was amiss someone would know something, even to find out off the record if there is any substance to the claims people are making. You could tap up dealers (they're mostly students and transient at most). You can find them outside the studios everyday in the smoking areas. These are public places so it would be easy to chat to a few.

If Evolution were manipulating games there are many people now working for competitors that could easily stick the knife in for some adverse publicity.It's a competitive world and yet no one has stepped up or even started the rumour mill going.

I don't believe there is a problem, but that's my view and I know it's different from yours. I can't change your mind, so you either drop it and get on with your life, play somewhere else or stop playing all together. Or go for it big time, hire an investigator (PI) and gather all the evidence you can. It will cost you time and money. At the end you'll either be proven right or wrong, either way you'll be in control of answering your own concerns.

Kicking stuff around in the forums achieves nothing, other than providing entertainment for those not personally involved.

 

[spurs1882]

I don't believe there is a problem and I've placed some huge bets on Evolution roulette so I would be a perfect target for them. Having said that, there are some very incriminating videos which seem to show a vibrating ball in use on their London Roulette table. If you're worried then stick to the Immersive Roulette table as it has a slow motion replay and any unusual ball behaviour can be scrutinised by everyone. I personally play on French Roulette Gold due to the higher RTP but they changed the wheel on that table a few months ago and the ball behaviour is not as satisfying as it used to be.

 

[kelapa]

I don't believe there is a problem and I've placed some huge bets on Evolution roulette so I would be a perfect target for them. Having said that, there are some very incriminating videos which seem to show a vibrating ball in use on their London Roulette table. If you're worried then stick to the Immersive Roulette table as it has a slow motion replay and any unusual ball behaviour can be scrutinised by everyone. I personally play on French Roulette Gold due to the higher RTP but they changed the wheel on that table a few months ago and the ball behaviour is not as satisfying as it used to be.

I've always played on this one here:

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The ball absolutely vibrates, yes. To ridiculous degrees.

To give an indication, how many spins do you think someone would need with the following chips before they hit a winning number ONCE?

Answer: not sure, but apparently more than 24 spins.
I ran out of money at that point without the ball landing on any of the chipped numbers a single time.

About half of the spins, the ball very comfortably landed on one of the chipped numbers. Every single time this happened, it started buzzing like a hornet and then absolutely FLEW like a ROCKET to a losing number.

6... 6... 7... 17... 6... 7... 25... 25... 25... 29... 7... 25... etc

I kept the screencap as a reminder.
It was quite a waste of € 470 on my end, so at least let it serve as a warning. Even if it apparently still isn't evidence.

P.S. The 25th spin landed on 17. But after that, the ball started landing normally again. The buzzing and jumping abruptly stopped as well.

 

[TheAddict]

If that took 24 spins that does have a serious stench to it

 

[kelapa]

It reeks for miles. You'd think they'd feel that they're being a bit overly cheeky at some point, but it just kept going and going and going...

Definitely don't believe in Evolution.

 

[kelapa]

Did I mention the one time I placed € 10 on both red AND black as a joke?
Ball got sucked into the zero right away.

I don't even have to cherry pick these stories. I could literally pop by their table at any moment of any day and this madness will happen.

 

[sufferinsilence]

But there's tens, if not hundreds, of people playing these tables at any moment of the day.. None of them have chipped those numbers then? Or is it just rigged only for you?

I've had the occasional very small flutter on roulette but didn't really notice it avoiding my numbers, I've won and lost and it seemed fair to me.

 

[Itzpjx]

But there's tens, if not hundreds, of people playing these tables at any moment of the day.. None of them have chipped those numbers then? Or is it just rigged only for you?

I've had the occasional very small flutter on roulette but didn't really notice it avoiding my numbers, I've won and lost and it seemed fair to me.

Online roulette is rigged it always goes next to your jackpot number and don’t get me started on those filthy slots..

 

[Itzpjx]

Did I mention the one time I placed € 10 on both red AND black as a joke?
Ball got sucked into the zero right away.

I don't even have to cherry pick these stories. I could literally pop by their table at any moment of any day and this madness will happen.

That was like me yestaday on lighting roulette is was 200x on zero landed on 0 then got sucked out of it...

 

[Itzpjx]

I quit gambling these sites are rigged

 

[Itzpjx]

Lighting roulette is a scam the way it jumps out of numbers Jesus..

 

[Itzpjx]

Hi Guys ... i have been following this thread and have found it interesting if not sometimes amusing .... i think sometimes players forget that when you are playing these live roulette wheels ... its not just 1 person per wheel ... its 100s if not 1000s of people all playing the same wheel at the same time ... so when i read ... the ball jumped out of my winning number into a losing one ... i find that difficult to understand as many other players have bet totally different numbers to the numbers that you are betting, including the number that the ball finally jumped into ... and they have won when you have not ...
i do like these theory's but im afraid that in reality it very unlikely that they can manipulate the wheel, against 1000 people also playing the same wheel

all the best .... dicky

It jumps out of the number with the most money on it.

 

[Itzpjx]

FOBT's aren't rigged - i've written code for FOBT roulettes back in my days at Inspired (and Revolution / Maygay before that) so i can 100% attest to that... I can't speak for Roulette's on the internet (like the live ones that this thread is about) but i would doubt it...

Fobts are defiantly rigged trust me I’d know

 

[neilw]

I've always played on this one here:

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The ball absolutely vibrates, yes. To ridiculous degrees.

To give an indication, how many spins do you think someone would need with the following chips before they hit a winning number ONCE?

Answer: not sure, but apparently more than 24 spins.
I ran out of money at that point without the ball landing on any of the chipped numbers a single time.

About half of the spins, the ball very comfortably landed on one of the chipped numbers. Every single time this happened, it started buzzing like a hornet and then absolutely FLEW like a ROCKET to a losing number.

6... 6... 7... 17... 6... 7... 25... 25... 25... 29... 7... 25... etc

I kept the screencap as a reminder.
It was quite a waste of € 470 on my end, so at least let it serve as a warning. Even if it apparently still isn't evidence.

P.S. The 25th spin landed on 17. But after that, the ball started landing normally again. The buzzing and jumping abruptly stopped as well.

That is just amazing. So you're telling me that over the duration of 24 straight spins, one after the other, the ball only ever landed on one of 6 numbers 6,7,17, 25,28, 29, and you used the same chip pattern for every spin.

I wonder what the odds of that are?. The casinos must have lost a packet during that run. I absolutely can't see how Evolution would have benefited from that, that would have been a players dream, especially with the repeat numbers. Did you not think to change your numbers as the sequence revealed itself?

 

[trancemonkey]

Fobts are defiantly rigged trust me I’d know

So you wrote the code for them then? And worked with them for 10+ years making games for them?

Can you show me any proof they are rigged?

 

[pinnit2014]

Slots are rigged, sites are rigged and life’s kinda rigged in general.

I’d hazard a guess that Itzpjx hasn’t had a withdrawal recently. Once he has they’ll be less so.

 

[goatwack]

I'd like to see it as venting, as we've all done it to some degree. Some are more direct than others, but we've all thought slots are rigged at some stage, or 'not what they seem'. Especially Trancemonkey- that guy just wouldn't shut up

 

[trancemonkey]

I'd like to see it as venting, as we've all done it to some degree. Some are more direct than others, but we've all thought slots are rigged at some stage, or 'not what they seem'. Especially Trancemonkey- that guy just wouldn't shut up

You got me

 

[kelapa]

That is just amazing. So you're telling me that over the duration of 24 straight spins, one after the other, the ball only ever landed on one of 6 numbers 6,7,17, 25,28, 29, and you used the same chip pattern for every spin.

I wonder what the odds of that are?. The casinos must have lost a packet during that run. I absolutely can't see how Evolution would have benefited from that, that would have been a players dream, especially with the repeat numbers. Did you not think to change your numbers as the sequence revealed itself?

I used the exact same pattern.
Note: I did take a very quick break around the 12th spin. Came back after five minutes and continued with the same chips.

It really is as if something gets triggered as soon as this kind of chip pattern is layed out.

And in my experience, whenever you move your chips, the ball simply starts avoiding those new numbers.
If this is rigged, then whoever does the rigging is one extremely cynical, sadistic bastard.

Also, funny how I've seen these bizarre circus style jumps perhaps 500 times... but not once in FAVOUR of my bets. What are the odds of that?

 

[kelapa]

But there's tens, if not hundreds, of people playing these tables at any moment of the day..

Are there really, though?
During the day, there's plenty of talk in the chat... but the winners (as listed after each spin) never say a single word.

I've many times tried to address them directly, but never a reply.
I know there's bots on there. So how many exactly? How many of these accounts are real human beings?

 

[kelapa]

Okay, we're at page 20.

Has ANYONE actually gone and had a go at this roulette table, besides me?

 

[Itzpjx]

So you wrote the code for them then? And worked with them for 10+ years making games for them?

Can you show me any proof they are rigged?

Erm I’ve played them enough to know there rigged for example.. whenever you have a big bet number it usually goes next door find what you ain’t got like ages ago I out 2 pound on 8 and 11 what did it go on?? 30!!!! What are the chances then before that when I play 28 29 it’s always next door next door inbetween both of them it just kept happening was it “unlucky everytime” LOOOL even when I was playing 11 and 8 big many times it’s always next door so no it’s not random it’s rigged

 

[Itzpjx]

The prof is in front of anyone who plays them mate the chances of it going next door the way it does is impossible but whatever there “random” yeee ok

 

[Itzpjx]

Slots are rigged, sites are rigged and life’s kinda rigged in general.

I’d hazard a guess that Itzpjx hasn’t had a withdrawal recently. Once he has they’ll be less so.

I haven’t had a withdrawel in about a few weeks I’m sick of sticking 40 50 in and getting the same teases and base game wins does the same thing to much for it to be “random” what’s all the teases about

 

[JMcDonald]

False.
If i had lost to 100%, than i would not write, that you should try to play and win further after a withdrawal.
And its just impossible, i tried it more than often. Of course i know you cant always win, but that seems to doesnt matter. I made breaks like hours and even days but nothing helped, there was no longer a constant win possible - not even € by €

yes, exactly, I agree

 

[Itzpjx]

Okay, we're at page 20.

Has ANYONE actually gone and had a go at this roulette table, besides me?

Which table is It? Try the lighting table you’ll see how rigged it is

 

[kelapa]

Which table is It? Try the lighting table you’ll see how rigged it is

I'm on this table:

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It's just called "Roulette", apparently.

 

[trancemonkey]

Erm I’ve played them enough to know there rigged for example.. whenever you have a big bet number it usually goes next door find what you ain’t got like ages ago I out 2 pound on 8 and 11 what did it go on?? 30!!!! What are the chances then before that when I play 28 29 it’s always next door next door inbetween both of them it just kept happening was it “unlucky everytime” LOOOL even when I was playing 11 and 8 big many times it’s always next door so no it’s not random it’s rigged

I'd say the chance is 1 in 37 to be honest

And you've played enough of them to know they are rigged - but i (who wrote the code for them) have no clue right?
That's impressive!

 

[funnymunny]

I'm on this table:

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It's just called "Roulette", apparently.

Filling a thread with claims that 'the games are rigged' and that 'in the long run, you will never win' yet you continue to play and play

You avatar of a face-palm speaks volumes

 

[Itzpjx]

I'd say the chance is 1 in 37 to be honest

And you've played enough of them to know they are rigged - but i (who wrote the code for them) have no clue right?
That's impressive!

It’s always next door to big bets constantly I can tell you there’s not random that’s for sure

 

[kelapa]

Filling a thread with claims that 'the games are rigged' and that 'in the long run, you will never win' yet you continue to play and play

You avatar of a face-palm speaks volumes

Not playing at present. But when I did, that was my table.

Thinking about writing up a big FAQ and putting it in my signature, because damn..

 

[trancemonkey]

It’s always next door to big bets constantly I can tell you there’s not random that’s for sure

Here's some facts for you:
Looking at the table, not the wheel
If you put a "big bet" on a single number on the middle row (2-35), there is 1 in 4.5 chance that a number "next door" to the one that you have bet on will be picked. This is because there are 8 numbers that surround a number on this row (diagonally / horizontally / vertically). Cover two numbers (say 8 and 11).
On the top and bottom rows there is a 1 in 7.2 chance that a number "next door" to the one that you have bet on will be picked. This is because there are 5 numbers that surround a number on this row (diagonally / horizontally / vertically).

Looking at the wheel, not the table
Let's take the example you gave - you covered 8 and 11 and it went in 30... for that to happen is a 1 in 36 chance. Not that rare right?
Now lets say you cover 8 and 11, and you get annoyed if it lands on 23, 30 or 36 - but that is a 1 in 12 chance of happening...

If you want to claim "rigged" you should understand statistics first...

 

[kelapa]

Here's some facts for you:
Looking at the table, not the wheel
If you put a "big bet" on a single number on the middle row (2-35), there is 1 in 4.5 chance that a number "next door" to the one that you have bet on will be picked. This is because there are 8 numbers that surround a number on this row (diagonally / horizontally / vertically). Cover two numbers (say 8 and 11).
On the top and bottom rows there is a 1 in 7.2 chance that a number "next door" to the one that you have bet on will be picked. This is because there are 5 numbers that surround a number on this row (diagonally / horizontally / vertically).

Looking at the wheel, not the table
Let's take the example you gave - you covered 8 and 11 and it went in 30... for that to happen is a 1 in 36 chance. Not that rare right?
Now lets say you cover 8 and 11, and you get annoyed if it lands on 23, 30 or 36 - but that is a 1 in 12 chance of happening...

If you want to claim "rigged" you should understand statistics first...

As a programmer, I understand statistics pretty well.

So what if it still happens with bets like these?

Also, it's not just the fact that the ball constantly drops just outside the chipped area... it's also the way that it happens.
Here are the two most likely scenarios:
A. Either the ball hits an invisible wall mid-air and suddenly stops dead exactly outside the winning area;
or
B. The ball drops comfortably in a winning area, sometimes with up to four or five winning numbers flanking it on each side. It will then jump out (often after almost a full second of lying perfectly still) and find the nearest unchipped slot.

It's almost never a clean landing.

And... it NEVER happens in your favour. It NEVER jumps out of a losing number into a winning one.
The laws of physics seem oddly picky...

 

[Reelsoffun]

Erm I’ve played them enough to know there rigged for example.. whenever you have a big bet number it usually goes next door find what you ain’t got like ages ago I out 2 pound on 8 and 11 what did it go on?? 30!!!! What are the chances then before that when I play 28 29 it’s always next door next door inbetween both of them it just kept happening was it “unlucky everytime” LOOOL even when I was playing 11 and 8 big many times it’s always next door so no it’s not random it’s rigged

If i was playing 28 and 29 i would never not bet 7 as well but i bet sectors for that reason.

Also if i had say 20 loaded for a big hit i would also have its neighbours covered too etc