Ever feel like your account is rng broken? Bovada is killing me

[Savatage79]

So I used to absolutely love Bovada and used to do really well there. I hit a few nice 3 to 4k single hits, won a 9500 jackpot, and many other cashouts in the last 4 years or so.

However, my last cashout with bovada was last July I believe. Now I haven't been there daily but I've definitely spent a decent amount since and I absolutely can't even muster up a good session to squander.

Like the days where I'd every few sessions rack up 6 7 800+ and maybe squander it doenst even happen ,not even slightly. I don't think I've went any higher than 20 bucks my deposit. The reels don't even give off a feeling of being in sync for even 10 minutes, its disheartening because I'm doing well at sloto and inetbet lately, so even if bovada was doing ANYTHING it would be just awesome having some winnings but I swear it's been atrocious to where when you are a year removed from a cashout, it's like is my account broken lol i have no idea.

And ignition isnt much better. I had to vent a bit tho, it's a bummer because I used to use bovada as my go to but man ,I just need something back by now and it simply won't happen

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[Nate]

I stand to be corrected but I'm certain Bodog / Bovada purchased the source code for some slots from RTG. They run the same RTG games as a few other casinos but you can't say what has been changed or what percentage they are set to.

Have you ever asked them what RTP their slots run on? Or maybe their percentages are freely available - no idea sorry, I don't have an account with them to check myself.

Nate

 

[zreb]

Sorry to hear your luck is going so badly, not sure what to tell you. They do have multiple different slot providers but I'm not sure whether the slot provider or bovada runs the RNGs.

Regarding the RTG slots they purchased the source for, I actually tried asking customer service the rtp for their RTG slots a little over a year ago, got absolutely nowhere. The agent had no idea what it meant even after I explained, went to check with someone else and came back with the answer they "didn't have that information." I'm sure. But that's better than most other RTG casinos which have outright lied to me about their RTP as higher than it actually is.

I would actually guess that they run the old RTG slots at the ~95% middle setting though - there was a certain game years ago which gave away if it was on the low setting and it didn't look like they were running that version. I think the real RTG casinos patched that out, but it doesn't seem like Bovada has updated that software in ages. Not to say they couldn't alter it in some other way but you'd think they would just have used the low settings if they were going that route.

Bovada and slots.lv are actually a couple of the casinos I've had my best luck at in the past year, I'm kind of paranoid if I end up hitting a huge jackpot or something they would look for an excuse not to pay me based on previous winnings, but as of yet I haven't had any negative issues with them. I just wish I could spread my luck around a bit instead of doing very well at like 3 places and getting absolutely hammered at so many others.

 

[dreamguardian1]

I stopped playing at Bovada when I found out most of their slots came from Betsoft….

 

[Savatage79]

Sorry to hear your luck is going so badly, not sure what to tell you. They do have multiple different slot providers but I'm not sure whether the slot provider or bovada runs the RNGs.

Regarding the RTG slots they purchased the source for, I actually tried asking customer service the rtp for their RTG slots a little over a year ago, got absolutely nowhere. The agent had no idea what it meant even after I explained, went to check with someone else and came back with the answer they "didn't have that information." I'm sure. But that's better than most other RTG casinos which have outright lied to me about their RTP as higher than it actually is.

I would actually guess that they run the old RTG slots at the ~95% middle setting though - there was a certain game years ago which gave away if it was on the low setting and it didn't look like they were running that version. I think the real RTG casinos patched that out, but it doesn't seem like Bovada has updated that software in ages. Not to say they couldn't alter it in some other way but you'd think they would just have used the low settings if they were going that route.

Bovada and slots.lv are actually a couple of the casinos I've had my best luck at in the past year, I'm kind of paranoid if I end up hitting a huge jackpot or something they would look for an excuse not to pay me based on previous winnings, but as of yet I haven't had any negative issues with them. I just wish I could spread my luck around a bit instead of doing very well at like 3 places and getting absolutely hammered at so many others.

Zreb what games seem to do decent for you at bovada etc ?

 

[zreb]

I mostly play some of the 1k-seeded progressives when they get big, a few rival games, and a couple others here and there.

The 1k progressive are mostly either old RTG games or proprietary games Bovada made that are actually still just clones of RTG games, you might need to be familiar with the games or watch the lobby to know which ones the 1k games are. I'll take a shot at the bigger progressives sometimes but they're usually going to be way too hard to have a reasonable chance of actually hitting one. The one annoying thing about these games is they spin really slow and sometimes have limited autoplay options.

For rival games, I have a few that I play and one in particular is probably my most played slot. I'm paranoid though that if others play the same games as me some of these crazy casinos will try to link the accounts together - not really likely for a big casino like bovada but some of these other sites actually have pretty small player pools. As crazy as that may sound, after wasting six months on the bizarre inetbet thing that I never got any answers on I would rather not take my chances, however, I could PM you a few if you'd like. I also play with bonuses around 60-70% of the time so would be disappointed if they got bonus banned at places, or even worse if rival nerfs some of the RTPs which they do on slots from time to time.

The company that made the Reign of Gnomes slot, revolver gaming i believe, also has some decent slots on there. I've never really hit any huge wins on them but they're decent if I'm looking for something else than the same few slots I usually play, but they are lower variance slots than I usually play. They're also pretty modern looking which is a contrast to a lot of the other ancient looking stuff I play.

 

[Savatage79]

I mostly play some of the 1k-seeded progressives when they get big, a few rival games, and a couple others here and there.

The 1k progressive are mostly either old RTG games or proprietary games Bovada made that are actually still just clones of RTG games, you might need to be familiar with the games or watch the lobby to know which ones the 1k games are. I'll take a shot at the bigger progressives sometimes but they're usually going to be way too hard to have a reasonable chance of actually hitting one. The one annoying thing about these games is they spin really slow and sometimes have limited autoplay options.

For rival games, I have a few that I play and one in particular is probably my most played slot. I'm paranoid though that if others play the same games as me some of these crazy casinos will try to link the accounts together - not really likely for a big casino like bovada but some of these other sites actually have pretty small player pools. As crazy as that may sound, after wasting six months on the bizarre inetbet thing that I never got any answers on I would rather not take my chances, however, I could PM you a few if you'd like. I also play with bonuses around 60-70% of the time so would be disappointed if they got bonus banned at places, or even worse if rival nerfs some of the RTPs which they do on slots from time to time.

The company that made the Reign of Gnomes slot, revolver gaming i believe, also has some decent slots on there. I've never really hit any huge wins on them but they're decent if I'm looking for something else than the same few slots I usually play, but they are lower variance slots than I usually play. They're also pretty modern looking which is a contrast to a lot of the other ancient looking stuff I play.

Sure send me a pm. I mainly ask to see what games have decent potential mainly.

With bovada It used to be great , but it was mainly from the older rtg progressives you mentioned ..I had great days in Aztecs and gold beard, I actually hit a progressive with Aztec for 9600 there...but that game dried up and goldbeard I lit up for some big wins. But the last cash out was not this past July the previous one , that's pretty atrocious wouldnt ya say?

But yea toss me a pm if ya want

 

[pokerdan]

I usually stick to Rival on Bovada/ignition/slots.lv I have had my most wins at these sites. I can usually build up to 800 from 100 buy in and have the most cashouts on these sites compared to elsewhere. But I also do sports betting at Bovada. I like all the rival games that have the retriggers that pay more on spins. The game selection is a little small though and they removed quite a few games.

 

[Savatage79]

My quest is to find a game that can hit as good as Nova 7s..I just cant seem to find a game that does. I have had 1000.00 hits on 50 cents, 2k hits on a 1.00 , 3k hits on 1.50 , I haven't seen that type of hitting on any other game ,period. I've cashed a ton out but it's mainly nova 7s, which is fine I guess but I just want more games to have great sessions on .

 

[Bloatgoat]

I've cashed a ton out

The casino pulled the plug, and tightend games a bit more.

 

[dreamguardian1]

The casino pulled the plug, and tightend games a bit more.

More than just a bit I quit playing there when ifound out most of their games were from Betsoft their RTP is very bad.

 

[zreb]

Assuming you're talking about bovada they actually dumped all those Betsoft slots a while ago, sometime after the whole thing where betsoft jackpots weren't actually being paid out to players.

Regarding the RTP on betsoft games they actually do have some good games if you look for them, but most of those games are so low variance it's hard to ever get very far ahead on them - that's if you're willing to trust the slots to begin with, which is a bit harder after the above situation.

 

[Savatage79]

Are the older games like goldbeard, aztec, greenlight etc now run by betsoft ? Those are the games I play and used to do well with but like i said i can't even have a decent session hardly going above my deposit and I'm probably a few k deep there . My last withdraw from them was in July 2018 ,I meant to say that in my original post...not July 2019.

That's why I'm like wtf is even going on here.

 

[zreb]

To my knowledge bovada doesn't have anything at all to do with Betsoft now.

I believe the slots you're referring to are all the old RTG slots that bovada/bodog group bought the source code to years ago. Bovada runs those games themselves, which is why they haven't received the same updates to autoplayer and game speed options from the last 10-15 years that you would see at any other RTG casino. They also made their own reskinned/rethemed versions of a few of them that do have a slightly better autoplayer.

If you're curious which slots are the betsoft ones you can look at vegascrest since you can sort by provider there, most other times i see betsoft slots they're just bundled in with the other games at rival casinos.

 

[Savatage79]

I'm pretty sure I know the betsoft ones as when I have played them I never had a good session ,but like I said my go tos were the rtg slots and I made a decent buck but now not a single fun session in months ,over a year now . Just seems something is truly wrong, can't even squander a session ,nothing to squander

 

[Savatage79]

 

[Savatage79]

I gotta let bovada go , zero fun . I really feel they are wanting back the thousands upon thousands I hit them up for previously

 

[sufferinsilence]

What stakes do you play on a $25 or 50 deposit?

 

[Savatage79]

What stakes do you play on a $25 or 50 deposit?

Normally I do 25 to 100 dollar deposits , it's worked well for years. My last cashout with bovada was fall of 2018 and that isn't squandering any winnings, know what I mean ? Like I haven't had multiple 1000 1500 2000+ sessions and simply got greedy, I can't even build a bank roll. I can't even muster up over 100 bucks. So I been ridiculously gunshy dropping 100 dollar deposits. But my 25-50.00 deposits typically will kick in after at least a few deposits at worst and I'll get something goin.

This is just beyond anything I've experienced, like I dont even get random 40 to 60 dollar hits on those slots and it used to be common place at least eventually.

I just feel like my account is 100% broken at this point . I'm cashing out at other casinos every other week, and bovada I can't even muster a single good session

 

[zreb]

I tried goldbeard too when that jackpot was getting high - was doing well for a while, just a lot of small to medium wins building up over time, but then completely tanked. Felt like they flipped the switch on the RTP once the jackpot got big enough or something, though most likely it was just a random bad run.

While your luck on bovada I'm sure has been bad, have you considered the possibility that your luck on RTG slots may be above average? Losing dozens of times in a row at slots is bad luck but certainly not unheard of. A lot of 1000x+ wins is kind of the opposite side of the spectrum. Losing on slots is more of the norm than winning at slots, so not sure if a lot of 1000x hits is a typical standard for comparison.

I'm kind of the reverse of what you've experienced, with the exception of random jackpots, I've still never hit a 1000x win on an RTG slot in my whole life, but I seem to do all right on other softwares. Which I guess is mostly rival now since there aren't too many other options, especially options with a reasonable chance of >500x wins, though once in a while play WGS as well. I liked some endorphina games when they were on Vegascrest but they were gone last I checked.

 

[pokerdan]

it's been bad for me the past few weeks since my original post saying how great it is. I am still getting disconnected quite a bit as well. down 5k in the past 2 weeks on there

 

[zreb]

I do get random disconnects when playing rival games at ignition, but it hasn't been too bad. Just have to wait 15 seconds and start spinning again. There have been times before that (like a year and a half ago) where the lag and disconnects were so bad that the slots were almost unplayable though.

I'm still doing pretty well at bovada group. It's had its good runs and its bad runs, but my own experience has felt like the relatively normal volatility I would expect from slots and gambling. Had a decent win a couple weeks ago, tried to cash out some of it to have some spare gambling funds to take a shot at a progressive jackpot on WGS, but then someone hit it before my withdrawal processed, I cancelled it and lost the rest back between poker and casino.

Then, about a week ago, was on the very last deposit I intended to make after having done several recently (well, no bitcoin left and would have taken a few days to get more), lost that, bought a bonus with my last casino points, hit an 800x win. Kept playing after the bonus was completed, had just about lost it all back, hit another big win (didn't actually catch the spin since rival autoplay is dumb and I assumed I was about to finish losing the rest). Played more poker and slots each with some ups and downs (lost some back on goldbeard as mentioned before).

So ended up doing pretty well from that last small bonus. Cashed out some of it and left the rest to play poker with, took about 15 hours for the withdrawal to be processed so can't complain. With all the above said though, I'm probably going to try to keep cutting down my slot playing, get tired of the various headaches that come with it.

 

[Savatage79]

I tried goldbeard too when that jackpot was getting high - was doing well for a while, just a lot of small to medium wins building up over time, but then completely tanked. Felt like they flipped the switch on the RTP once the jackpot got big enough or something, though most likely it was just a random bad run.

While your luck on bovada I'm sure has been bad, have you considered the possibility that your luck on RTG slots may be above average? Losing dozens of times in a row at slots is bad luck but certainly not unheard of. A lot of 1000x+ wins is kind of the opposite side of the spectrum. Losing on slots is more of the norm than winning at slots, so not sure if a lot of 1000x hits is a typical standard for comparison.

I'm kind of the reverse of what you've experienced, with the exception of random jackpots, I've still never hit a 1000x win on an RTG slot in my whole life, but I seem to do all right on other softwares. Which I guess is mostly rival now since there aren't too many other options, especially options with a reasonable chance of >500x wins, though once in a while play WGS as well. I liked some endorphina games when they were on Vegascrest but they were gone last I checked.

Well the thing I can say is that in all the years so far it's honestly been pretty consistent with how it goes meaning even when I have a cold run on sloto or inetbet which may last a week or two and maybe three weeks, it always eventually snaps back and I can redeem my money and then win some more or I have a decent session...its been this way from day 1 pretty much and was the same for bovada for years .

With bovada tho it feels like its crested into a realm of unnatural losing, know what I mean ? Like I said it was july or so in 2018 that was my last cash out...call me crazy but that is insane to think now I've dropped money into bovada since and haven't had a single session where I can make a choice of cashing or being greedy . It just feels like they truly pinned my account down.

And all I want now is to just hit for 2 or 3 and get out for a good while, I need something back from these cocknozzles already...its just bizarre

 

[Savatage79]

Also that feeling you get when a slot starts to heat up and it may or may not take off...that feel doesnt exist at all there for me. Like I said I can't even get over 100 bucks and I'm not embellishing, every game feels identical to where a 2 to 4.00 hit feels amazing .

 

[Greenline]

Was also on that Goldbeard that ended up hitting at $22K, I find the higher jackpots do tend to pay out more in bonuses when you're betting small. I fired as high as $5 on Goldbeard under the delusion that higher bet size gives a higher chance to hit the random and scored 2 bonuses, both 15 spins, both yielded less than 20x bet.

777 Deluxe is getting high at around $150k but CyberPunk is really high for it at around $120K. My first bonus on 777 came at around -17 spins for the session for a whopping 114x.

 

[Savatage79]

Bovada is funny, I asked how much I've paid in since my last cash out and they didnt tell me, here is the reply lol



Cant even answer my question

 

[Greenline]

I'm up over $300 today hammering 777 deluxe with minbets for the $240k jackpot.

 

[zreb]

Yeah I'm pretty sure they outsource their customer service somewhere pretty cheap and don't pay them a lot so you end up with people that aren't particularly knowledgeable, are just trying to get through your question as quickly as possible, and in some cases may not have the best grasp of English. So the problem is you don't know for sure if they just didn't want to tell you how much money you'd deposited or if they missed what you were asking. I would still probably try one more time and tell them that's all well and good but I would like if they could send me my deposit history for my records, then I might give up if it still didn't work.

Was also on that Goldbeard that ended up hitting at $22K, I find the higher jackpots do tend to pay out more in bonuses when you're betting small. I fired as high as $5 on Goldbeard under the delusion that higher bet size gives a higher chance to hit the random and scored 2 bonuses, both 15 spins, both yielded less than 20x bet.

Regarding goldbeard/other RTG games and bet sizes, the size you bet shouldn't affect the gameplay and I believe most likely that's true. Meaning whether you bet $2 or $5, you should get about the same number of bonuses and they should pay out a similar multiplier of your stake on average. But the $5 bet increases your chance of hitting the random jackpot per spin. The chance is proportional to the size wagered.

If I were going to be worried about something, it would either be that they just outright reduce the RTP (different reels or weightings) when the jackpot gets higher or for individual players, though I don't think either of those is likely. You do see at live casinos that different coin size or denomination games may have different RTP settings, but I haven't really heard of that happening online, unless for games that specifically mention you must be playing max coins for some reason (jackpot qualification, etc.)

In other words, if you wager $1000, whether it's 200 spins at $5 or 500 spins at $200, you have the same chance of hitting the jackpot. There's no need to raise your bet any higher than you would like to (unless you're concerned that someone else could hit it soon so want to wager more before that happens).

 

[Greenline]

Is there any confirmation that bet size increases your chance at the random? I've heard from CS that it is not true.

Also, just hit another 515x bonus minbetting the whopper on 777 Deluxe.

 

[zreb]

As I said in the start of my previous comment, CS is not always knowledgeable, and sometimes they will get you completely wrong information.

As an example, a couple weeks ago I was making a deposit, loaded the cashier through the downloaded casino and it popped up a webpage with a site name like "ignition473-dot-eu," just some random number in there. Sure sounds like a fishing site, right? So I go to support on the normal website to make sure it was a legitimate website, and they tell me it's not. After about 20 more minutes of dealing with support, finally manage to get them to confirm that it was in fact their website and not some sort of fishing attempt.

If they can't even tell me whether or not a website I'm supposed to deposit on is a fishing website or if it's their own legitimate site, can you be confident that some random support person is giving you the correct information on a technical question about a 15 year old slot? Unfortunately, probably not.

In terms of perfect confirmation of what I said, that's going to be difficult to find. While it's an obvious assumption, the game does not tell you that information. However, these slots have been discussed on here for years when RTG was more popular and it wasn't just a handful of people on this quiet section of the website, and I'm pretty sure that specific piece of information was confirmed by someone who worked at RTG. But it would be tough to find the actual info. I'm like 99.9% sure it's correct though.

So basically, how it works is that if say a slot is designed to payout every $500,000 wagered (just a hypothetical number, I don't know the exact one, and it may depend on the slot.) So every time you spin $5, you would have a $5/$500,000 = 1/100,000 chance to hit. If you spin $2, you have a 1/250,000 chance. So wagering $1000 in $2 increments or $1000 in $5 increments ends up with the same chance of hitting. Your chance is directly proportional to the total amount you wager. So I would recommend just wagering whatever amount you are most comfortable with, rather than raising or lowering it expecting the slot to play differently or the jackpot odds to be different.

That's just for the randomly awarded jackpots though, if you play a game with a jackpot based on a payline win it may be different (like 5 wilds or whatever).

 

[Greenline]

Amount wagered does seem to make more sense than # of spins. Basically, you're covering a spread with each bet, if the random jackpot is set to $174,322.21 for example a $20.00 bet would cover 2,000 one cent 'spots'.

 

[Savatage79]

Still haven't had a noteworthy session...something is wrong, has to be. I cash out everywhere else eventually.

 

[pokerdan]

I have been losing nonstop ever since sports have came back. Assuming something is going on since they are trying to recoup all the money they have lost during the sports pandemic. I have been doing ok on sports but they are now delaying payouts up to 3 days and deposits take hours to credit. I also tried to bet 40 bucks on the Celtics and it took 400 instead of 40.00. Support couldn't help me.

I also keep getting disconnected every time I am starting to do well. It says unable to connect and then I come back and lose. I built up to 1200 on ignition on a deposit bonus and then lost everything. I went stone cold dead trying to complete wagering. I am going to only bet sports for a while.

But something seems off,

I would be careful. Especially since 5dimes just closed it's doors to U.S. It might be happening to others as well. I am sitting here waiting for a payout for almost three days. Really annoying, I am also waiting for vegascrest payout for 7 days now.

I am so sick of all of this. I wish it was all instant payout.

 

[jelsmith]

These are some are great 3dice stats.....been like this for months. I am about effing sick of it.

 

[Savatage79]

These are some are great 3dice stats.....been like this for months. I am about effing sick of it.

Yea thats just so bad Jel, I mean I get rng but that doesn't even look like proper rng to me for a slot. I feel I'm in the same boat as I said to you earlier, I like 3dice but outside of those few lucky nights I'm not have much fun anymore. It feels like any time they're hot and i bump up in wage they totally down shift and become colder than a witches clit.

 

[jelsmith]

Agreed. Newbies always seem to win........then.....

 

[Reckless Bets]

These are some are great 3dice stats.....been like this for months. I am about effing sick of it.

Given RTP is over tens of thousands of spins, not a few hundred, those don't really say much other than you didn't have any good bonuses.

3Dice is pretty transparent with their slot RTPs on their Zeitgeist page and they all seem competetive for online casinos.

 

[jelsmith]

Given RTP is over tens of thousands of spins, not a few hundred, those don't really say much other than you didn't have any good bonuses.

3Dice is pretty transparent with their slot RTPs on their Zeitgeist page and they all seem competetive for online casinos.

This is what they look like month after month. I have played there since they opened. I know all about how it works there.

Ill see if I can find the set with thousands of spins and an RTP of 59% that was really a really fun month. I am not a low roller either.

 

[dreamguardian1]

Old thread BUT valid to this day. I find it amazing how you can get one good spin then tons of bad spins IN A ROW. TO me in my head anyway thats not random thats rigged. My RTP sometimes is high but over the past year has been REALLY low. My last count was like 30%. Thats when I stop playing for months on end then go back and if still bad their loss. I honestly dont mind losing if i can tell its random but many times now the RNG is totally predicatable....(casinomax) just sayin...

 

[Greenline]

I've hit more bonuses that pay under 5 bets this month than ever. Nothing like winning 15 free spins with 5x multiplier and a wild reel that yields 3.5x the bet.