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Following the announcement of the max stake being slashed to £2/5 a spin along with all the financial/affordability checks is this the end for online casinos and slots?
End of slots for online casinos in UK?
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I point blank refuse any SOW.
I do 95% of my slotting at an offshore casino, never had a single issue getting paid and CS is 100x better than any UK based casino!
I do 95% of my slotting at an offshore casino, never had a single issue getting paid and CS is 100x better than any UK based casino!
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What casino is this?
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99% of UK casinos they remove C/S, no more offers, if they do they offer you like free spins on £0.05/£0.10 with 40x -50x wagering
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No - it's not the end.
But it can't be too far away, that online casinos are totally banned in the UK.
The changes we have already seen in the last 5-ish years - SOW, "responsible gambling" harassment, no auto-play, reduced RTPs, overbearing regulatory demands on operators, etc. - has decimated the UK market, with LOADS of casinos just pulling out of our country.
When the fun stops, and the chances of winning something decent stops, players will stop.
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It was the start of the end for FOBT’s and it will be the same for UK facing Casinos.
They aren’t happy now with the profits they make so reduce rtp, run rtp below advertised, don’t give any bonus incentives, etc and that’s with what must be thousands of players losing a fortune, playing high stakes.
Those players won’t drop their stakes, they will just find somewhere else to play.
They aren’t happy now with the profits they make so reduce rtp, run rtp below advertised, don’t give any bonus incentives, etc and that’s with what must be thousands of players losing a fortune, playing high stakes.
Those players won’t drop their stakes, they will just find somewhere else to play.
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There's already been quite a bit of discussion about this at Uk Slotting Cap from September 2024 - Casinomeister Forum
At smaller stakes: I don't think a lot changes... it codifies the credit checks already being performed, and the overwhelming majority of play isn't impacted by the stake limits on slots.
At higher stakes: I expect there will be an exodus, because even if they are both willing and able to pass a source of wealth check, they will still be hard-capped. So if they want to bet bigger, they have no choice but to look elsewhere - either land-based (e.g. Vegas, because UK land-based is also £5 capped) or set sail to cryptoland.
As others have mentioned, the behaviour of the operators to "make up" the reduced profits - such as further reductions in RTPs - are much more likely to be the nail in the coffin.
At smaller stakes: I don't think a lot changes... it codifies the credit checks already being performed, and the overwhelming majority of play isn't impacted by the stake limits on slots.
At higher stakes: I expect there will be an exodus, because even if they are both willing and able to pass a source of wealth check, they will still be hard-capped. So if they want to bet bigger, they have no choice but to look elsewhere - either land-based (e.g. Vegas, because UK land-based is also £5 capped) or set sail to cryptoland.
As others have mentioned, the behaviour of the operators to "make up" the reduced profits - such as further reductions in RTPs - are much more likely to be the nail in the coffin.
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The stake limits don’t impact me one bit as I’m a 20p/20c spinner.
Although I’ve never been SOW’d, I will never hand over my financial info to any casino, full stop. I know my budget and what I can afford to gamble so I don’t need an unqualified customer service rep to determine this for me. Like others, most of my play is offshore now.
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land based in London is only for UK residents £5 capped, many casinos on central london they have no limits for foreigner, but you need to show the passport you not British
Gambling's always been a free-for-all for anyone willing to have a splurge, and 'tiered' based on the participants' financial clout. I shan't imagine too many good earners having spun 9p on Adventure Palace.
And yet we see a great 'levelling out' whereby slotting in particular becomes a sanitised sludge for the masses, the plebs and proletariat that are apparently too stupid to handle their own finances. After all, lowrollers make up the majority, won't feel these stake reductions, nor have the financial heft to bet higher, nor tell tell the UKGC to "do one".
I'd imagine many would even still struggle to comprehend Crypto, let alone Crypto casinos...
So these changes are brought about incrementally, to no real obvious detriment, whilst the higher rollers seek pastures new, all the while diminishing casinos' coffers in old Blighty!
I await the UKGC introducing 'Win Caps', as those proven to earn more than their stated income will find themselves subjected to even more scrutiny
And yet we see a great 'levelling out' whereby slotting in particular becomes a sanitised sludge for the masses, the plebs and proletariat that are apparently too stupid to handle their own finances. After all, lowrollers make up the majority, won't feel these stake reductions, nor have the financial heft to bet higher, nor tell tell the UKGC to "do one".
I'd imagine many would even still struggle to comprehend Crypto, let alone Crypto casinos...
So these changes are brought about incrementally, to no real obvious detriment, whilst the higher rollers seek pastures new, all the while diminishing casinos' coffers in old Blighty!
I await the UKGC introducing 'Win Caps', as those proven to earn more than their stated income will find themselves subjected to even more scrutiny
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? they made him drunk to spend more
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Or…some of us low rollers do have the income to bet substantially higher but don’t feel the urge to do so.Gambling's always been a free-for-all for anyone willing to have a splurge, and 'tiered' based on the participants' financial clout. I shan't imagine too many good earners having spun 9p on Adventure Palace.
And yet we see a great 'levelling out' whereby slotting in particular becomes a sanitised sludge for the masses, the plebs and proletariat that are apparently too stupid to handle their own finances. After all, lowrollers make up the majority, won't feel these stake reductions, nor have the financial heft to bet higher, nor tell tell the UKGC to "do one".
I'd imagine many would even still struggle to comprehend Crypto, let alone Crypto casinos...
So these changes are brought about incrementally, to no real obvious detriment, whilst the higher rollers seek pastures new, all the while diminishing casinos' coffers in old Blighty!
I await the UKGC introducing 'Win Caps', as those proven to earn more than their stated income will find themselves subjected to even more scrutiny
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In the mid of 2022 at Hippodrome i had a lucky streak on roulette just from 1k or so. Overall there were around 200k in deposits and 260k in cashouts. After that, i received their top-tier VIP card.
I'm not British but i'm a UK resident, and all stake limits for me are the same as for anyone else. £1-5 on slot machines, and for tables - it all depends on their min/max table limit. In some other casinos, especially those in Mayfair, you can get a personal table and they'll set the suitable stakes for you.
About slots at the Hippodrome - i'm 99.9% sure that even if that drunk Chinese man shows up, and says that he has no idea about what Britain is, let alone having a passport, and wants to play a slot machine at £100 per spin, the casino won't do anything.
The highest slot stakes i knew were in Metropolitan at £2-10, but again, these were the same for all players - no matter whether it is me, you, or that drunk Chinese man who owns a steel forging factory,
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Hippodrome is like any other casino under UKGC rules with no special treats from GOV, I am talking casino you pay membership min £1000 a year, then VIP manager will come and check everything, they are many Private Rooms with slots table games etc on different bets, like Mayfair, Park Lane Bone street etc My friend has membership I when there 2-3 times , is just like going to Malta casino but smaller rooms with same novo slots fishin frenzy etc on high stake,All you need to do to enter this rooms you make deposit min of £5k show non UK passport Membership of casino and your are in ( membership holders can bring 2 guess but they need to show passport) , end of the night you can cashout if you have anything left, Summer times no guess can go in, they busy taking rich Arabs money..they do push you to join table games where the money is, you lose a lot or you win a lotIn the mid of 2022 at Hippodrome i had a lucky streak on roulette just from 1k or so. Overall there were around 200k in deposits and 260k in cashouts. After that, i received their top-tier VIP card.
I'm not British but i'm a UK resident, and all stake limits for me are the same as for anyone else. £1-5 on slot machines, and for tables - it all depends on their min/max table limit. In some other casinos, especially those in Mayfair, you can get a personal table and they'll set the suitable stakes for you.
About slots at the Hippodrome - i'm 99.9% sure that even if that drunk Chinese man shows up, and says that he has no idea about what Britain is, let alone having a passport, and wants to play a slot machine at £100 per spin, the casino won't do anything.
The highest slot stakes i knew were in Metropolitan at £2-10, but again, these were the same for all players - no matter whether it is me, you, or that drunk Chinese man who owns a steel forging factory,
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Sounds interesting! I have never had the desire to play at these membership-based casinos, simply because i don't have that much spare cash. Usually, i play at Viktoria Casino on Edgware Road; it's way better than the Hippodrome. You have enough slot machines and table games there, and they transfer your winnings instantly to your bank card. The atmosphere is also quiet.
At the Hippodrome, if you want to leave the table for a bit and play a slot game, you'll rarely find any free after 4pm. They only have around 10 Novomatic and 10 IGT slots. The rest are plenty of roulette machines because people generally lose on them more and much quicker than on slots.
The only benefit for me to go there is that with my VIP card, i can have food and beer for the price of a regular pub. What else? Watch Magic Mike where bikini-clad men dance isn't my type of entertainment.
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Well there is no surprise at all.
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Go to the Empire Casino a little further up, where you can descend to the bottom room and play tight Novomatics and IGTs etc.Sounds interesting! I have never had the desire to play at these membership-based casinos, simply because i don't have that much spare cash. Usually, i play at Viktoria Casino on Edgware Road; it's way better than the Hippodrome. You have enough slot machines and table games there, and they transfer your winnings instantly to your bank card. The atmosphere is also quiet.
At the Hippodrome, if you want to leave the table for a bit and play a slot game, you'll rarely find any free after 4pm. They only have around 10 Novomatic and 10 IGT slots. The rest are plenty of roulette machines because people generally lose on them more and much quicker than on slots.
The only benefit for me to go there is that with my VIP card, i can have food and beer for the price of a regular pub. What else? Watch Magic Mike where bikini-clad men dance isn't my type of entertainment.
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Hippodrome is not that good, I do go to Baker Street The Barracuda is small but only members, also I live there close, the Rich casino in Mayfair you need to spend min like £50k a year to get membershipSounds interesting! I have never had the desire to play at these membership-based casinos, simply because i don't have that much spare cash. Usually, i play at Viktoria Casino on Edgware Road; it's way better than the Hippodrome. You have enough slot machines and table games there, and they transfer your winnings instantly to your bank card. The atmosphere is also quiet.
At the Hippodrome, if you want to leave the table for a bit and play a slot game, you'll rarely find any free after 4pm. They only have around 10 Novomatic and 10 IGT slots. The rest are plenty of roulette machines because people generally lose on them more and much quicker than on slots.
The only benefit for me to go there is that with my VIP card, i can have food and beer for the price of a regular pub. What else? Watch Magic Mike where bikini-clad men dance isn't my type of entertainment.
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Hah.., i've been banned from there forever like 15 years ago; no idea what wrong I've done..., but it could be that i was too drunk and calling them bad words... But, yeah, nowadays i still go exactly where you're saying and let my GF spin a slot while i just sit next to her and have a pint. The casino's face-recognition cameras don't recognize me anymore, lol
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There's another casino between the Hippodrome and Empire, The Admiral? or something. Never been in it.
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Yes there is, it's now called Horizons, but before the lockdown it was Napoleons. It's a very small place, but it isn't bad. I would say they mainly welcome gamblers only. Their security once told me that they refuse entrance to those that they think are not coming to play.
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The one down a big long flight of stairs? I went in there a few years back, nice little place.
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Yep, the mere suggestion some of us actually take responsibility for our actions and have some degree of self control is lost on them.
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It's telling how much they've been pushing responsible gambling tools in the past few years, and then you see statistics like "Safety in numbers: 1 in 3 players use our Safer Gambling tools".
All that marketing, all that pressure... and you still only convinced 1 in 3 to use it?!
Part of the problem is the lack of trust, which is not a surprise when many of the tools don't work correctly - I refuse to use anything beyond deposit limits (the easy one) because I've seen the range of garbage and technical errors generated by some sites. I recall WH were particularly bad for calculating win-loss, in some cases the margin of error was bigger than the deposits for the month!
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Surely the most sensible tool and it is not cryptically worded is the "Loss Limit"
Player A can afford to lose £400 PCM without it becoming an issue to every day life, bills, rent, mortgage etc, set the damn limit to this and you're home and dry
I know there is more to it in some cases but using the loss limit as opposed to deposit limit, allows player A to have a winning start to a new period and if so chooses (being of sound mind and free will and all that) can deposit some or most of their winnings back without placing themselves in a problematic situation.
IMO, the whole RG, AML, SoW etc etc etc needs revisiting and this time by people who know what they are doing, with some idea of how this industry actually works.
Player A can afford to lose £400 PCM without it becoming an issue to every day life, bills, rent, mortgage etc, set the damn limit to this and you're home and dry
I know there is more to it in some cases but using the loss limit as opposed to deposit limit, allows player A to have a winning start to a new period and if so chooses (being of sound mind and free will and all that) can deposit some or most of their winnings back without placing themselves in a problematic situation.
IMO, the whole RG, AML, SoW etc etc etc needs revisiting and this time by people who know what they are doing, with some idea of how this industry actually works.
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I fully agree with the sentiment, my concern is how many sites bizarrely can't calculate profit and loss correctly. An understandable counterargument here would be a regulator kicking operators up the backside to make sure their systems are compliant with the requirements of their license.
In the case of deposit limits - there are usually two, gross (ignores withdrawals) and net (includes withdrawals). The latter would behave similarly - with minor differences - to the loss limit mentioned, however being much simpler to calculate means sites are less likely to make a hash of it.
My tolerance for game-breaking bugs is pretty low - and that distain would extend to a malfunctioning RG system. I've seen my share of profit/loss calculations that were hilariously bad, and in some cases if I was using a loss limit rather than a deposit limit, I would be restricted due to a software bug rather than an intentional action.
Naturally I can play elsewhere, or stop playing... but not good for the trust angle when the system malfunctions like that.
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I’m not someone who ordinarily jumps to the defence of the gambling companies but they must be fuming. What the hell was the point of introducing all these tools and advertising regarding knowing your limits/safety and how to use them if the shitshow that is the UKGC is going to effectively inflict their restrictions on pretty much everyone anyway?
Sure, maybe the tools don’t always work as they should. I personally haven’t used the more granular ones. However, they do exist, there are a load of ways to help yourself and get help if it is a problem. If you are that obsessed beyond that you’ll probably find a way to play via VPN anyway.
And I am coming at this as a former addict who burnt through tens of thousands, probably six figure lifetime, first on pub fruities, then online, then bookies. Not once did I think that crippling the industry was the way to help me.
It is a vice for sure so the case can be made to its real value to the world. In all honesty, if they binned all gambling tomorrow I’d survive and maybe that is where we are eventually heading. Just stop hiding behind the “we’re doing this for your own good” bollox.
Sure, maybe the tools don’t always work as they should. I personally haven’t used the more granular ones. However, they do exist, there are a load of ways to help yourself and get help if it is a problem. If you are that obsessed beyond that you’ll probably find a way to play via VPN anyway.
And I am coming at this as a former addict who burnt through tens of thousands, probably six figure lifetime, first on pub fruities, then online, then bookies. Not once did I think that crippling the industry was the way to help me.
It is a vice for sure so the case can be made to its real value to the world. In all honesty, if they binned all gambling tomorrow I’d survive and maybe that is where we are eventually heading. Just stop hiding behind the “we’re doing this for your own good” bollox.
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Players who are claiming benefits should automatically be flagged up and not allowed to gamble, if they are fit and able to work.
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This is a joke,right? People should be allowed to spend their money as they wish.
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Emphasis on their money, right? If fit and able to work and choose not to do so, certain rights should be violated. Gambling being one of them.
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Bit of a grey area IMO mate.
Claiming benefits, no health issues or other BS lazy excuses and sat on arse all day, everyday, not rising till the afternoon, making no effort at all, then YES get the ban in place, also no takeaways, no fags, no booze, no Sky and definatley no pissing me off by saying, " Eye dow git paid until tommah" - Erm No, NO, NO fucking NO, you have to WORK to get paid, you mean "Yew doh get ya andoutz until the morra"
Claiming same benefits but applying for jobs weekly but having no luck or not wanted as you have a "face for radio" but generally making a decent effort then yes, spend as you please.
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Most people I have known who choose not to work, either drink too much, gamble too much or are continuously stoned. Never come across many genuine cases, ever. There’s a job out there, if you want it badly enough.
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Honestly Snorks, there is a mixed bag, albeit it weighted and compensated
I worked for a large "Welfare to Work" company for about 12 years, long story short, get the unemployed, get them job ready, find them a job, keep them in said job.
Rough figures but about 75% were a combination of those you describe (lazy in a nutshell) or working on the side. 25% or so did actually want to work but had either bad luck galore or poor skill sets or other "barriers"
DWP only set our targets at 10% JER (Job Entry Rate) due to the combination of the above factors.
Benefits were never intended as a lifestyle choice. but have become one for many.
Coupled with this country's penchant for poverty porn (Benefits Street's just marked its 10th anniversary everyone!) and the media's portraying those in receipt as of a Jeremy Kyle-esque disposition, it's easy to form an overall image.
Your average seeker of work will likely be on Jobseeker's Allowance, whilst other types may incorporate Employment Support Allowance, Disability Benefit etc, with a wide-ranging set of circumstances. Some may just have mental health problems but are physically A-ok and so forth, it's really not a cut & dried issue.
Wasn't that long ago that the Government peddled the idea of giving those people they despise most Benefits in the form of vouchers, so that the 'feckless' and 'work-shy' wouldn't splurge their ill-gotten gains on vices like smoking, gambling and breathing. Yet it got retracted fairly sharpish as ministers slunk off after being ridiculed into oblivion!
Fact is, politicians already think along these lines, so they'll likely push these proposals through, such as eliminating vices from the poor, afforded to them by Johnny Taxpayer, however controversial. So for those on certain rungs of Benefits to not be able to gamble at some point isn't as far-fetched as it may seem, rightly or wrongly. They simply don't care
Coupled with this country's penchant for poverty porn (Benefits Street's just marked its 10th anniversary everyone!) and the media's portraying those in receipt as of a Jeremy Kyle-esque disposition, it's easy to form an overall image.
Your average seeker of work will likely be on Jobseeker's Allowance, whilst other types may incorporate Employment Support Allowance, Disability Benefit etc, with a wide-ranging set of circumstances. Some may just have mental health problems but are physically A-ok and so forth, it's really not a cut & dried issue.
Wasn't that long ago that the Government peddled the idea of giving those people they despise most Benefits in the form of vouchers, so that the 'feckless' and 'work-shy' wouldn't splurge their ill-gotten gains on vices like smoking, gambling and breathing. Yet it got retracted fairly sharpish as ministers slunk off after being ridiculed into oblivion!
Fact is, politicians already think along these lines, so they'll likely push these proposals through, such as eliminating vices from the poor, afforded to them by Johnny Taxpayer, however controversial. So for those on certain rungs of Benefits to not be able to gamble at some point isn't as far-fetched as it may seem, rightly or wrongly. They simply don't care
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Bookies thought they could get away with ditching single zero roulette but they've had to introduce it back again as even the addicts saw past their double and triple zero nonsense!
Also arcades now seem to want a bit of the bookies action!
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It was the max bet being reduced from £100 to £2 on the roulette that killed the bookies. That’s where they were raking in the dollars.
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