Dunder Casino - Not in anyway tested

[Jono777]

Something smells very odd here, especially with the incentives Casumo were offering to a large number of affilates.

Totally! - More so that Casino Twitcher (A Casumo Affiliate) was promoting Dunder throughout his live stream last night!

 

[Tirilej]

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[dunover]

Absolutely not, when I joined Dunder I was under the impression of a "exclusive invitation" to test the new casino before anyone. The e-mail from Dunder clearly stated that it would be "several weeks" before the casino would be open to the public. On both counts, this turned out to be complete BS.

Within 24 hours of opening this thread, Casumo contacted a number of affilates to heavily promote the new brand.

As per the rules of CasinoMeister, I did not include any links to Dunder - afterall I was told it was not open to the public for several weeks. This thread was to express my honest and unbiased review of a new casino

The rep said "Dunder is an own company and is not run by Casumo. Dunder and Casumo share common investors"

Something smells very odd here, especially with the incentives Casumo were offering to a large number of affilates. Also, why was Dunder only in BETA MODE for 36 hours?

I had it as an e-mail. Yet the Casumo account doesn't seem to have any media available...
You claim it's under MT Secure Trade license which is Guts group and that has sod-all to do with Casumo's license which is separate.
Casumo's presently lists, well - just Casumo.

Guts is here:



To be honest I think it's time Bryan binned this thread.
They've been caught with BS claims to e-mail recipients/affies and I caught them out on BS RG terms boasting RG services which weren't even there.
They are being cagey and furtive about who is actually behind it, Twitcher the darling of the Casumo affies is hawking the site non-stop yet it doesn't appear under their license, nor Guts' at present.

If it looks like a turd, smells like a turd........

P.S. Why was it in Beta for only 36 hours Nicola? Because us bunch of gullible twits did all their work for them in 2 days. QED

 

[spintee]

Totally! - More so that Casino Twitcher (A Casumo Affiliate) was promoting Dunder throughout his live stream last night!

Not only him but also rex who is a friend of he's, Which both ONLY promote Casumo on twitch at least, Both of whom was promoting at the time Nicola stated was in the very short beta test,

 

[interlog]

Well at least we know who one of the owners is - Jihad:



and also Olof Örn:

 

[Harry_BKK]

I have the feeling the 2 Swedish enthusiasts were sitting in Mum & Dad's basement and decided to make some extra pocket money. The site is clean and organized but other then that no incentive whatsoever to join them unless you consider 200 fantastic FS on Starburst (20/day for 10 days) to be the offer of the century

Quoting my own post as i still have the feeling i was right. The whole operation stinks in my view.

I have never seen such a simple casino website with no promotions, no rewards program, nothing just a plain casino skin.

They clearly state that they are operated BY M.T. Secure Ltd., don't know exactly what that means.

 

[Wild Reels]

they are listed on the mga license though,

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

been too busy to take a look any further though

 

[Harry_BKK]

Taking all the information so far:

- 2 guys who worked in the industry for some years decide to go it alone and start their own casino
- one worked for Casumo and spreads the word that it is somehow backed by Casumo investors to gain publicity and trust
- they take the services offered by M.T. Secure which is a trusted brand and includes license, the complete backend, payment handling etc.
- they go live with an absolutely plain casino skin to keep the workload and programming needs low as possible
- no promos and no rewards program which can eat up a good chunk of their profits
- they sit in Mum & Dad's basement and count the cash flowing in

Basically people jumping on the "online gaming craziness" bandwagon to make some quick bucks. All hard- and software is done by providers.

I'll happily take it all back if i am wrong. But my gut tells me that I'm not.

 

[Jono777]

'Oi You two, get your asses in here, I want a word with you!'

*Sheepish giggles**

'Coming Dad!'

 

[dunover]

they are listed on the mga license though,

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

been too busy to take a look any further though

Yes, but still not on the UKGC under Mt Secure's (Guts) license. We know the UKGC is a crock as still has Superlenny under EM as opposed to Betit, so that may explain their tardiness in listing Blunder under MT.

It still begs the question why Casumo are promoting them when they don't even license them as a white label. Obviously it's the persons involved and who they are associated with.

P.S. I will be checking WHEN they were first able to take UK players - if it transpires it was in anticipation before the due date....

Getting full disclosure on this site is like getting shit out of a rocking horse.

 

[mina1929]

Well I signed up to this Casino as they do accept AUD took the welcome bonus, wagering too high for me. Did not do well at all.

Games run smoothly a very simple looking Casino. I will wait and see how this Casino goes before I deposit again.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Yes, but still not on the UKGC under Mt Secure's (Guts) license. We know the UKGC is a crock as still has Superlenny under EM as opposed to Betit, so that may explain their tardiness in listing Blunder under MT.

It still begs the question why Casumo are promoting them when they don't even license them as a white label. Obviously it's the persons involved and who they are associated with.

P.S. I will be checking WHEN they were first able to take UK players - if it transpires it was in anticipation before the due date....

Getting full disclosure on this site is like getting shit out of a rocking horse.

One of the founders is an ex-Casumo employee. I would think he made a nice copy of affiliate databases and contacts to help them get started.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Well I signed up to this Casino as they do accept AUD took the welcome bonus, wagering too high for me. Did not do well at all.

Games run smoothly a very simple looking Casino. I will wait and see how this Casino goes before I deposit again.

Indeed very high wagering, you have to be super lucky to get through it.

Games running smoothly and accepting AUD is thanks to the M.T. Secure Ltd. platform the casino is running on, has very little to do with Dunder itself

 

[syntynyt]

- they go live with an absolutely plain casino skin to keep the workload and programming needs low as possible

isnt this the recipe of success? look at Trada. no search bar, no quickspin in games, no full-screen mode, basic providers, 25xd+b, 35x free spins, a message in inbox that cant be deleted sits in account with username and password like i could log-in to see that in case i forget the password, site made on the knee with no taste, yet i've read nothing but praise. in terms of usability Dunder is generations ahead, at least have the basic functions that Trada promises to bring for an year. so the skin and functions is the least thing needed to become successful.

 

[Harry_BKK]

isnt this the recipe of success? look at Trada. no search bar, no quickspin in games, no full-screen mode, basic providers, 25xd+b, 35x free spins, a message in inbox that cant be deleted sits in account with username and password like i could log-in to see that in case i forget the password, site made on the knee with no taste, yet i've read nothing but praise. in terms of usability Dunder is generations ahead, at least have the basic functions that Trada promises to bring for an year. so the skin and functions is the least thing needed to become successful.

My comment was more directed to my impression that this was a rushed launch to start the $$$$$ rolling in.

Simple and plain is certainly better than cluttered.

In terms of usability, versatility and ease of use nothing comes even close to Videoslots, where you can also play up to 4 slots simultaneously.

 

[syntynyt]

My comment was more directed to my impression that this was a rushed launch to start the $$$$$ rolling in.

Simple and plain is certainly better than cluttered.

In terms of usability, versatility and ease of use nothing comes even close to Videoslots, where you can also play up to 4 slots simultaneously.

can't recall other new casinos that were straight and on spot during launch date with epochal offers, no glitches and accurate worded terms. only Hello casino that gave 50 free spins no deposit on twin spin with no wagering/no max cashout with only a few restricted countries so imagine the abuse they exposed themselves to and a tasty welcome package. they had big cash for marketing right from the start, the others prefer to limit the cost with a stingy welcome offer and aim for the better once they cashed in for a while, they may look(and really be) underfunded at first. in that thread with cost of opening a casino we learned that is huge so expectations are indeed basic at the beginning. videoslots kept investing in their site unlike opening another basic one like is the trend, is the one and only out of the box casino that once saw the money coming didn't stopped the development like the any other from the accredited list or kept the promos on market level and sponsored soccer team(quoting dunover).

 

[spoton]

One of the founders is an ex-Casumo employee. I would think he made a nice copy of affiliate databases and contacts to help them get started.

Thats a pretty serious allegation IMO..

 

[dunover]

Thats a pretty serious allegation IMO..

Well, with no affiliate facility on their site, how else are they doing it?

OK, shameless promotion on forums, but no advertising I know of. Twitcher is a Casumo affy as indeed many of us are and we've been approached therefore what Harry says stands to reason. They are doing it on the cheap and using existing affy e-mail addies to plug it, I wish I'd kept my mail to show you.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Thats a pretty serious allegation IMO..

Really???

- Spreading rumors on various affiliate and gambling sites that they are somehow backed by Casumo
- Co-founder worked for Casumo right up to the time Dunder was founded (usually managers have at least a 1-year gardening clause in their contracts...well, i had it in mine)
- Existing Casumo affiliates promoting heavily the new site
- Existing Casumo affiliates get "miraculously" an email for Beta testing announcing the launch
- Rep registers on CM and makes one single post!!!
- Rep does not approach Bryan for BBF or support

 

[Harry_BKK]

can't recall other new casinos that were straight and on spot during launch date with epochal offers, no glitches and accurate worded terms. only Hello casino that gave 50 free spins no deposit on twin spin with no wagering/no max cashout with only a few restricted countries so imagine the abuse they exposed themselves to and a tasty welcome package. they had big cash for marketing right from the start, the others prefer to limit the cost with a stingy welcome offer and aim for the better once they cashed in for a while, they may look(and really be) underfunded at first. in that thread with cost of opening a casino we learned that is huge so expectations are indeed basic at the beginning. videoslots kept investing in their site unlike opening another basic one like is the trend, is the one and only out of the box casino that once saw the money coming didn't stopped the development like the any other from the accredited list or kept the promos on market level and sponsored soccer team(quoting dunover).

- the 200% is only for a few countries
- WR 50xB on a 100% SUB or 125xB on the 25% SUB - epochal??? Do you really think that is a great offer or that many players will withdraw a win from that?
- "big cash" - for what? a very simple website, which has cost very little to program, a ton of emails to existing affiliates, spreading rumors on a few gaming sites

 

[syntynyt]

can't recall other new casinos that were straight and on spot during launch date with epochal offers, no glitches and accurate worded terms.

- WR 50xB on a 100% SUB or 125xB on the 25% SUB - epochal??? Do you really think that is a great offer or that many players will withdraw a win from that?

i meant that this one isnt either. new casinos lack at what i wrote there in the list

 

[Harry_BKK]

i meant that this one isnt either. new casinos lack at what i wrote there in the list

uuppss, misread that one, sorry

 

[syntynyt]

there isnt at least a phone prefix to make an account from my location so i will hold my horses, i judged by what i saw and compared with already accredited casino, as for affiliate stuff i have zero knowledge. i dont support a casino that is tied with casumo in any way , casumo owed me so no reason to defense this casino from where i sit. anyway never hurts more new casinos to take the bonus, make a sink hole in their bank, close the account and further play on vs

 

[datch]

You fool. I have no agenda against Muslims, but the way some of them behave. Given that some recent activities in the UK have included mass organized racially-aggravated paedophilic rape/sexual exploitation of minors and mass murder (in France as well) plus electoral fraud done under the name 'Jihad' I thought it highly insulting and provocative - no joke was ever intended, just the opposite. In the same words you use, if it was meant to be funny it was bad and disgusting.

But it's not:
I have been assured by Bryan that it's not an attempt to provoke or flame but a genuine name, therefore my doubts have been nullified. Enough said, move on.....

You call me a fool? Sorry but remembering your rants against this religion in other threads (f.e. "How bad is it in Germany"), it is indeed clear that you have an agenda and that you are the foolish one. You take every chance you get to bash people because of Islam.

Sure, I will move on Sir : ) But I stand by my words that you are a racist islamophobic hillbilly (no offense) who generalises muslims and labels them as "uneducated, indoctrinated,..." and more.

 

[syntynyt]

You call me a fool? Sorry but remembering your rants against this religion in other threads (f.e. "How bad is it in Germany"), it is indeed clear that you have an agenda and that you are the foolish one. You take every chance you get to bash people because of Islam.

Sure, I will move on Sir : ) But I stand by my words that you are a racist islamophobic hillbilly (no offense) who generalises muslims and labels them as "uneducated, indoctrinated,..." and more.

not mean to derail but just to add that being against islam does not equal being against muslims. we have the right to express disagreement with any religion, islam included, even if this is worth death sentence in some parts of this world. this is what charlie hebdo thought.

because the religions are different its members are different, which is why is harder to live in a ecumenical way without giving up to big portions of a religion that carry offensive teachings in a different society. you either choose to live by the book(koran) waking up distress sentiments thru your actions or choose to integrate and keep your faith at praying level.

so the judgement is based upon acts made by muslims in accordance to islam, only after then we have to target and judge its members for their actions. religion is powerful enough to make the parents to automatically affiliate the kids to their faith, but we earned and use non stop the freedom of choice, not really a point in islam. so if you can't adapt and live with islam, there is no neutral path(maybe ignorance), you are pro or against, nothing wrong with it and no agenda.

 

[gagamel]

Come on Boys.

Not another religious crusade here in a Forum for gamblers

 

[Tirilej]

Come on Boys.

Not another religious crusade here in a Forum for gamblers

My thoughts too, and the guy wearing the name is Swedish and got it 33 years ago

 

[Deeplay]

Jeeze im glad im an Atheist ... can we get off the rants on religion and get back to gambling ? which correct me if im wrong is what this forum is supposed to be about ? and not people venting personal
opinions on subjects which have nothing to do with CM. They are other places for such topics elsewhere in WWW land!

 

[The Dude]

Ok guys, that's enough. Islam has nothing to do with Dunder casino. There are plenty of people in this forum that are named Jesus, Mohamed, Peter, Paul and Mary.

And no matter how emotional you get, please refrain from name-calling. That is a sure fire what to get an infraction - our "red badge of courage".

This thread is about gambling, alright? Don't force me to shut down a thread because of getting wound up. Thanks!

 

[datch]

Ok guys, that's enough. Islam has nothing to do with Dunder casino. There are plenty of people in this forum that are named Jesus, Mohamed, Peter, Paul and Mary.

And no matter how emotional you get, please refrain from name-calling. That is a sure fire what to get an infraction - our "red badge of courage".

This thread is about gambling, alright? Don't force me to shut down a thread because of getting wound up. Thanks!

Infraction received and recognised. I have officially been trolled from the specific user : ) Congratz@dunover

Fwiw, I tried Dunder and everything from registering, depositing and playing the games was hasslefree, but the wr is indeed insane. No cashout so far. I contacted support via livechat in one situation and my issue was dealt with and solved properly. However, the marketing stinks a little bit, I - like others - receive tons of spam from different sources promoting them. (Rockonoffers comes to my mind as one of the extremest).

Greets

 

[spintee]

I will give another update on this, 3 times now its done it to me, Lucky it was only a few pennys, If you go to clear out your remaining balance, Just say 20p than it will auto clear the bonus but at the same time the spin will be invalid, The system does not take into account the spin and all it sees is the 0 balance,

Ok to clear a few pence but just say you had a £3 spin and got lucky, Yes they would probably sort it but its more hassle than its worth over like say 20p

 

[bowki]

I know this isnt a BBF but ill share my experience with dunder with you.

Registered, deposited, won, forfeit bonus and got my money in less than five minutes. Jihad in livechat was very friendly, helpful and fast. Nothing to complain about.

 

[spintee]

I know this isnt a BBF but ill share my experience with dunder with you.

Registered, deposited, won, forfeit bonus and got my money in less than five minutes. Jihad in livechat was very friendly, helpful and fast. Nothing to complain about.

I tend to agree with that exept the withdraw as did not manage that bit

I know they probably done a few things wrong to get noticed, Cut a few corners etc, But at the end of the day its all about value for money now days and quick withdraws when playing a casino, If they can do that than why not play, I spoke to Jihad a few times and seemed a fair person, Except for the little problem with the 0 balance when have a bonus every thing else was ok, Still receiving my free spins from my original deposit,

If they start banging out good offers than who knows's, Its the offers that get me ticking now days as I need a bonus just to even stand a chance of a few minutes of spins,

To many clip joints popping up daily now days and from what used to be reputable networks, At least if running from MT secure trade we can at least say we are in good hands,

 

[Harry_BKK]

I spoke to Jihad a few times and seemed a fair person,

Jihad in livechat was very friendly, helpful and fast. Nothing to complain about.

Is there only Jihad active on LiveChat? It certainly looks like when i read all the posts, nobody has spoken to anybody else at Dunder so far. He is also the rep here at CM and the co-founder of Dunder.

Brings back my sentence: "sitting in Mum & Dad's basement"

Good to hear though that some of you have a good experience with them. Hope it stays that way

 

[spintee]

Is there only Jihad active on LiveChat? It certainly looks like when i read all the posts, nobody has spoken to anybody else at Dunder so far. He is also the rep here at CM and the co-founder of Dunder.

Brings back my sentence: "sitting in Mum & Dad's basement"

Good to hear though that some of you have a good experience with them. Hope it stays that way

Do you know something, I was in the middle of a post the other day when some one mentioned about that said 'serious accusation' when you said I would think he made a nice copy of affiliate databases and contacts to help them get started. I did not finished as a mate had come round but I will try and remember,

In my eyes you had good cause to mention this, As we have been told that they have nothing to do with casumo except for :common investors: Well the way I look at it they either have more than common investors the way the affiliates boosted the site or the statement you mentioned rings true as the co-founder left as the Country Manager for casumo just last month, Thanks to interlog's post,

Now with the live chat business I have actually spoke to some body else called Felix, but who's to say its not the same person? I also sent a message by email and received a reply by the other co-founder Olof

Maybe they are in a boiler room going it alone? But I do wish the rep would come back, Nothing worse than ignoring this thread, Every casino is going to get the firing line at some point and better sooner than later,

 

[fun4all]

In the spirit of this thread I dived in, got involved and did some gambling

Unfortunately lost my deposits but it all went smoothly enough. However I enquired on live chat about where to upload my documents and was told they did not have an upload facility but I could email them. So I emailed them to the address given and have heard nothing back, not a peep. Been several days now. Does not inspire confidence in how securely and importantly they treat your documents.

 

[Jono777]

No need to panic just yet.....

 

[Deeplay]

In the spirit of this thread I dived in, got involved and did some gambling

Unfortunately lost my deposits but it all went smoothly enough. However I enquired on live chat about where to upload my documents and was told they did not have an upload facility but I could email them. So I emailed them to the address given and have heard nothing back, not a peep. Been several days now. Does not inspire confidence in how securely and importantly they treat your documents.

Same here sent a document through email which I wont be doing again ever! As it is NOT secure. And did this as a test and got no response no acknowledgment nothing!
Their is NO excuse these days for a casino NOT having a secure encrypted online upload point.

Not related this past month one of my debit cards somehow got cloned - it caused a mess over 250 fraud transactions which the bank did not pick up quickly enough.
Took me ages to sort out plus was without my debit card a few days while they issued a new one. Got all the money back but it shows never ever trust open connections ever.

Dunder it seems have allot to learn and allot to improve on. I wont be giving them a cent at this time.

Never did get a reply to the document I sent. Very very unprofessional and if Casumo are linked to these ... well more the fool them cause its been run in a very amateur way im sorry to say!

 

[Harry_BKK]

No need to panic just yet.....

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[Jono777]

LMAO!

Rumbled! - Knew I should have washed my socks that day

 

[Jidder]

Hi again.

Out of respect for Bryan and the community I will leave some things out (but I have read the feedback).
As Bryan said, let this not become spam haven. This is in no way a BBF or way for Dunder to get casino traffic and I understand if the thread will be shut.
With that said if you already are using the site and you have issues (like not received a reply from us etc), pm me instead of bumping the thread.


There's are a few questions/statements that might need to be cleared when it comes to affiliates.

The website "outwards" isn't up yet but of course the program is, and it is separate program with no other casino.
We have chosen to work with a few in order to be able to handle the workload now in the beginning.
Contacts to affiliates has been initiated, by us, before launch (during LAC and a bit before). When the brand name got out a few started to write about Dunder for ranking purposes of course.


I'm sorry for the late answer, but as you have seen in the chat and the pictures in here we have been a bit busy. But I hope this clears out some things.

Thanks for your time and that you care about the casino community.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Hi again.

Out of respect for Bryan and the community I will leave some things out (but I have read the feedback).
As Bryan said, let this not become spam haven. This is in no way a BBF or way for Dunder to get casino traffic and I understand if the thread will be shut.
With that said if you already are using the site and you have issues (like not received a reply from us etc), pm me instead of bumping the thread.

There's are a few questions/statements that might need to be cleared when it comes to affiliates.

The website "outwards" isn't up yet but of course the program is, and it is separate program with no other casino.
We have chosen to work with a few in order to be able to handle the workload now in the beginning.
Contacts to affiliates has been initiated, by us, before launch (during LAC and a bit before). When the brand name got out a few started to write about Dunder for ranking purposes of course.


I'm sorry for the late answer, but as you have seen in the chat and the pictures in here we have been a bit busy. But I hope this clears out some things.

Thanks for your time and that you care about the casino community.

Thanks for taking time to post, however, you gave again a generic statement which has yet to answer some questions posted in this thread although you are stating that you read the thread:

- Casumo relationship - backed by their investors, part of Casumo - what is it?
- Post from Spintee - regarding the penny balances
- Documents - no answers given to players sending in the docs. Will you provide a secure upload facility?
- and a few more which i am too lazy to repeat for you

This forum is for people to post their thoughts, experiences etc with casino operators to inform, educate, warn etc other fellow members and readers of this forum. Asking them to PM you instead of posting is raising already red flags with me.

If you go public with your casino (and especially the way you did it) you have to be able to take the heat, the criticism and of course the good comments as well. This forum is by far the most experienced and hard to convince available on the net. If you succeed here you have done a lot of things right.

 

[miksaxxx]

Fast are to skrill .. 3 hours kyc and payed


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[The Dude]

Dunder is now officially listed at Casinomeister in the Reservation:
https://www.casinomeister.com/grey-zone-casinos/

It would be most appreciated to sign up via that link instead of some dodgy affiliate.

 

[dionysus]

Tried, but no can do
For those as don't know, another casino requiring SMS verification rather than email.

 

[The Dude]

Tried, but no can do
For those as don't know, another casino requiring SMS verification rather than email.

You know, that's one of my pet peeves. There are loads of folks that don't have smart phones.

 

[bowki]

I dont like giving my number to casinos neither, but to be fair you just need any mobile and not a smartphone. You get a sms with a 4 digit number to validate your account.

 

[dunover]

I dont like giving my number to casinos neither, but to be fair you just need any mobile and not a smartphone. You get a sms with a 4 digit number to validate your account.

Yes, just get a crappy basic ten quid PAYT phone and use it as a casino one. It can double up as a spam box when at least a few casinos illegally market your number or supply it to 'associated businesses' - usually whether you opt-out or not. If you join a Casino Rewards site you may need a Smart Phone though as unlike the 10 quid PAYT ones they can be fitted with a 32GB Memory card, which may be just enough to hold a days' spam/marketing mails from them.

 

[demonj]

Hmm

Been playin on Dunder since monday thanks to working late shift on work havin my first withdrawal pending since 5 min back (first withdrawal in 2 months ) hopefully it was the bad streak breaker aswell.

 

[thebigs]

Yet another casino not available to Irish living players.This is a growing list and who know's who is going to be next on forgetting players actually do play in Ireland.