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Is this double scatter a thing on dragonborn? :what:
 

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We got nice picture from our member. 6x + 7x multiplier with top paying symbols payed +2000x total bet. Still huge potential on this slot, waiting for +10.000x hit!

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Sure Ive got many dragons aswell for X500 bet win but if you compare that screenshot to the first screenshot on page 1 in this thread all other symbols are located at exact same positions.... What is that, one chance in 100 million? Either its a fake screenshot or BTG should close down their business....with that I mean BTG probably have ha handfull of similar outcome of spins like that put in their systems for the players to get and many millions of possible outcomes like that are just not possible even though player think they are.
 
Sure Ive got many dragons aswell for X500 bet win but if you compare that screenshot to the first screenshot on page 1 in this thread all other symbols are located at exact same positions.... What is that, one chance in 100 million? Either its a fake screenshot or BTG should close down their business....with that I mean BTG probably have ha handfull of similar outcome of spins like that put in their systems for the players to get and many millions of possible outcomes like that are just not possible even though player think they are.

I had a look. You're wrong.
 
I have dedicated the last couple weeks to Dragon Born and Queen of Riches, Queen of Riches is a complete waste, my bets from $2-$8, the highest win was just over 200x on thousands and thousands of spins (and yes, I do understand still a small sample size) IMHO these games are 99% smoke, the possibility of a giant hit is so remote, so many micro wins, truly a painful waste of time and money.
 
Before everyone starts to bash on Tourettesguy; you all may want to look at what he is pointing out!

There is literally one difference on those screenshots and that is the 7x Multiplier on the least reel.

The odds of that are astronomical.

Not to mention how very easy it is to photoshop that 7x onto the last reel.

Also notice how the confetti magically covers the total Mega ways at the top of the screen.

The other oddity is where the Stake pad is placed to the bottom left instead of where it belongs on the right of the screen.

I have never seen it placed anywhere else.

So before labeling a guy a sore loser just because he is suspicious of a screenshot, you may want to stop and actually think if it's possible first. And it absolutely is.

Whether or not it is fake or not is up for debate, and in my opinion it could be! And that is from someone who loves this slot :thumbsup:

EDIT: After more careful inspection it's not a fake, just a freak and almost identical spin.
 
Betsafe has the stake on left site of screen :) see screenie, videoslots right so its not same everywhere .


Before everyone starts to bash on Tourettesguy; you all may want to look at what he is pointing out!

There is literally one difference on those screenshots and that is the 7x Multiplier on the least reel.

The odds of that are astronomical.

Not to mention how very easy it is to photoshop that 7x onto the last reel.

Also notice how the confetti magically covers the total Mega ways at the top of the screen.

The nail in the coffin is where the Stake pad is placed to the bottom left instead of where it belongs on the right of the screen.

I have never seen it placed anywhere else.

So before labeling a guy a sore loser just because he is suspicious of a screenshot, you may want to stop and actually think if it's possible first. And it absolutely is.

Whether or not it is fake or not is up for debate, and in my opinion it could be! And that is from someone who loves this slot :thumbsup:
 

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Game looks different on Win7 and Win10...nohing wrong with that. And sure Im a loser, everyone lose here. Been playing since 1999 so Ive seen it all...fact remains, as Chipkin says that the odds are astonomical this would happen. And if this is a real screenshot...do you then really trust the software? Please post a similar shot found online that differs just abit with 6X multiplier on second reel and then multiple paylines of dragons!

Most sad thing of all is that I believe both screenshots are real... A fake screenshots I dont care about but a rigged software that include my favorite games I do care about!
 
Most sad thing of all is that I believe both screenshots are real... A fake screenshots I dont care about but a rigged software that include my favorite games I do care about!

Just wanted to mention that the screenshot I posted on page 1 came from a marketing/promo pack I received a few days before the game was released.
 
Just think its lucky they don't have form for doing anything like that or people might think they are dodgy, oh wait.....

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ah well, lucky the screenshot didn't show an almost identical screen as a promo shot....oh wait

Out of interest, how many people on here, when they get a win actually send a screenshot to the game provider? Its something that has never even crossed my mind to do!
 
Well, i am in the "fake" camp.

- Reels 1-5 are absolutely identical:

--> reel position of the dragon and the size of the symbol on each reel
--> all other symbols are exactly the same and as well of the same symbol size
--> e.g. Reel 4 - Lady covering 3 positions, Dragon as well 3 positions on both screenshots.

- only difference is Reel 6 which was needed to make this a 2000+ x bet win

- If i do some maths on just 5 reels we are looking at appr. 1:500.000 - 1:1Mio chance to have the exact same positions of the Dragon. (too early in the morning and on my first coffee to do exact maths :o )
- Add to it that it has exactly the same symbols on all 5 reels then it probably is 1:10Mio as it will have the Dragon symbol more than once on every reel.
- Lastly, the final kicker --> add that the reels supposedly split randomly in different ways on every spin, covering anything from 1-7 positions on each reel and on these 2 pics they are split exactly similar then you are getting into the 1:1Bio chance area. You would need Murphy's law to have it happen. :rolleyes:

Hence, from a mathematical point of view it is a fantastically tiny chance to have on such a slot a spin result with exactly the same symbols, positions and sizes of the symbols, unless it is pre-programmed to have this kind of hit 1 x in "X" amount of spins but then the slot would not be random.

My verdict: most probably FAKE.

Just wondering if there was yet another eager inexperienced member of staff who got ahead of themselves, again. :rolleyes:
 
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Just wondering if there was yet another eager inexperienced member of staff who got ahead of themselves, again. :rolleyes:

Its pretty tough to go back when you cross that line, always easy to point fingers and lay blame to deflect, there is not much that goes on in my companies that I don't see especially when it comes to social media (I have a fairly strict corporate philosophy/policy) , the majority of experienced players whether they have had the big hit or not understand the play, and the majority seems to be on the same side....sumthin stinks here.

it was earlier mentioned Slotsmillion pulled the game, did I miss the reason for that or has it yet to be revealed?
 
Its pretty tough to go back when you cross that line, always easy to point fingers and lay blame to deflect, there is not much that goes on in my companies that I don't see especially when it comes to social media (I have a fairly strict corporate philosophy/policy) , the majority of experienced players whether they have had the big hit or not understand the play, and the majority seems to be on the same side....sumthin stinks here.

it was earlier mentioned Slotsmillion pulled the game, did I miss the reason for that or has it yet to be revealed?

Pretty tough indeed.

I saw one more thing that looks somewhat suspect:

If you look at winning screenshots it increases the paying symbols when counting the win. On the supposedly 2000+ x bet screenshot it has the "A" increased in size on Reel 5 although the win is only 3OAK. I can't see an "A" on Reel 4. Why would it do that? :confused: ...unless the Lady symbol on Reel 4 is a wild symbol, which would then mean it should be increased in size too. :confused:

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Love the detective work guys. The authenticity of the picture in question - is that the one from big win pictures? Aren't their prizes on offer best screenshots in which case there is incentive for someone to do something like this?

I'll have a better look on my desktop later to see if I can add anything.
 
Pretty tough indeed.

I saw one more thing that looks somewhat suspect:

If you look at winning screenshots it increases the paying symbols when counting the win. On the supposedly 2000+ x bet screenshot it has the "A" increased in size on Reel 5 although the win is only 3OAK. I can't see an "A" on Reel 4. Why would it do that? :confused: ...unless the Lady symbol on Reel 4 is a wild symbol, which would then mean it should be increased in size too. :confused:

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That purple lady is A :P
 
Shows i have not played this slots much. :o :D

Then it is clearly 6OAK A's. Why is the size of that block then not increased in the pic as the others are?

The purple lady symbol(A) IS increased..if you compare the space/area between the 10s to the left on both pics...


I think Big Time Gaming have some explaining to do here...its too hard to fake a screenshot like that..everything is different around the reels... Both screenshots cant come from same video if it was a video from the beginning when there are different OS/game versions. And all flying diamonds are completly different and in different places, think it would be very hard to remove a flying diamond and paint the black spot behind it just to put it in a different spot. Sure its possible but all of them? And the green ones look different, why change them to the new fake screenshot? Too stupid and too time consuming...
 
Game looks different on Win7 and Win10...nohing wrong with that. And sure Im a loser, everyone lose here. Been playing since 1999 so Ive seen it all...fact remains, as Chipkin says that the odds are astonomical this would happen. And if this is a real screenshot...do you then really trust the software? Please post a similar shot found online that differs just abit with 6X multiplier on second reel and then multiple paylines of dragons!

Most sad thing of all is that I believe both screenshots are real... A fake screenshots I dont care about but a rigged software that include my favorite games I do care about!

What you have to remember is that even though the odds are Astronomical for this to happen; it is still possible. Now this is even if the Screenshot is real.

If it is real, I'd be even more happier at this slot just knowing that it actually can spit out huge figures.

Rather than be disappointed about the software because of a one in a billion screenshot; maybe you could turn those feelings around and be pleased that it can actually pay out :)
 
Pretty tough indeed.

I saw one more thing that looks somewhat suspect:

If you look at winning screenshots it increases the paying symbols when counting the win. On the supposedly 2000+ x bet screenshot it has the "A" increased in size on Reel 5 although the win is only 3OAK. I can't see an "A" on Reel 4. Why would it do that? :confused: ...unless the Lady symbol on Reel 4 is a wild symbol, which would then mean it should be increased in size too. :confused:

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What I have noticed and is now very very suspicious about the screenshot is the background colour of the Ace symbol.

The Normal colour behind the Ace is white with a blue hue. The colour behind the "Fake" screenshot is completely Purple. That's very condemning (And I'm an idiot)

Also; I remember a time win Big Win Pictures would give out prizes in the form of Paysafe Vouchers to the Top contributors of screenshots (Based on Highest total Mulitplier of total screenshots).

That is motive enough to fake a screenshot.

The Guy who Sent it to Big Win Pictures is AlexFT, and it is his only sent Picture this month and he is nowhere near getting a prize; so this is just confusing.
 
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Nitpicking ;)

Thanks, Can't believe I haven't noticed this while playing :rolleyes:

That's why AlexFT has only sent one photo to Big Win Pictures then, cause it's his only one.

If he wanted to Photoshop pictures purely to win a prize, then he would have done more than one and would be in the top positions; however he isn't, and so there wouldn't even be any motive to shop it in this case.

So it stands then, the photo is genuine :thumbsup:
 
What you have to remember is that even though the odds are Astronomical for this to happen; it is still possible.

Hold on now... Its as possible you getting an asteroid stone in your head twice the same day. Just reel #1 can have probably 1 million of different combinations shown on screen..there are different size of symbols, most of them can be on 7 positions on one reel at smae time...and only 6-1 in different positions..then there are scatter symbols and filled multipliers symbols and so on...its an astronomcial chans if even just reel #1 was same on both screenshots with 6 OAK of dragons...and now we talk not one reel....not 2 reels...but all 5 reels being same...the odds of that i 1 on trillions or more... or 1 million X 1 million X 1 million X 1 million X 1 million = ?? Number of zeros will last all the way to the sun! So....forget its possible in this life and in this universe.
 
I am with Tourettesguy on this. The chances of the first 5 reels being identical are just impossible.

Me too. My calculations were quick and very conservative and i got to a chance of about 1:1 Billion to have exactly the same reel symbols, positions and splits.

But i suspect it is a multiple of that 1:1 Bio, easily into the Trillions.

Wonder why the BTG rep has not posted anything yet. You would think after the last blunder they would like to clear up any further suspicion or fake theories as quickly as possible to avoid it spreading. :confused:
 
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I have sent bigwinpictures a PM. Maybe he can try to find out more about the win. In which casino it was hit etc.

Big Time Gaming has a slightly shady past on this forum, so I think it is fair that members ask questions about this screenshot.
 
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I one for one love there games.... I have had several big wins. Largest was I had several Q on 6 lines and paid over 1400.00 on $2 bet. Have won over 1000.00 during bonus spins a few times but yes can go along time with no wins but when its hot its hot. looking forward to try the new slot Starquest.
 

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Me too. My calculations were quick and very conservative and i got to a chance of about 1:1 Billion to have exactly the same reel symbols, positions and splits.

But i suspect it is a multiple of that 1:1 Bio, easily into the Trillions.

Wonder why the BTG rep has not posted anything yet. You would think after the last blunder they would like to clear up any further suspicion or fake theories as quickly as possible to avoid it spreading. :confused:

Actually it's not that unlikely. You see this sort of thing on multiway slots like Rhino too, if for example I get awarded a 72-way Rhino win in the base game over say reels 1-5 3,2,2,2,3 stacked, then it has a very similar configuration if I get the 144ways over 6 reels in the base game 3,2,2,2,3,2 stacked.

Like I said many a time you get graphics generated to match that value of win the RNG chooses. There are no 'real reels' so-to-speak but reel maps and possible wins related to them. See how few variations you get say on Twin Spin when the RNG has chosen a 4-way Queen win over 3 reels - you would expect any combo of reels 4&5 without Queens BUT you will always seem to get one of about 8 outcomes, 6x7's 6x diamonds Kings, 3 7's then 3 Queens etc. over and over.

Remember for game speed and programming ease the reels aren't always a random reflection of a genuine RNG award pick. This would be the case on any video slot which picks an overall result via the RNG rather than 5 separate reelstops like a mechanical slot.
 
Shows i have not played this slots much. :o :D

Then it is clearly 6OAK A's. Why is the size of that block then not increased in the pic as the others are?

Harry mate! The snapshot was taken at the moment the Aces 'jumped forward' as they were being counted in the win counter! Think Raging Rhino (again) when you get say 2 Rhinos+2 kings reel 1 and then 4 wilds - the kings and Rhinos take turns to become 'prominent' every 5 secs or so when the win counter is going through the coins/gems display for a big win.....

Next in this thread:

"The 1969 moon landings were fake! I have proof!! - the US flag appeared to be waving in the photo and there is no wind on the moon....................................................................."
 
Doubt its fake, ive played countless slots where the same symbols seem to appear really high amounts of times and on particular wins there always seems to be a similar symbol drop. Plus whats he got to gain, its not that big of a hit (shit, theres bigger hits than that posted daily on here) so im not sure where the gain is.

Either way we can all agree its a waste of money, not a bad slot, well made and is nice to play but go elsewhere if you dont want to lose £1000 in an hour at low bets.
 
BTG have alot of explaining to do... Im pretty sure the slot is rigged in the way that if the theoretical amount of different way the reels can stop of this slot is lets say 10 millions, only about 1 millions are availible to happen due to the programming of the slot...for ex you will never ever see any outcome of a spin like these two but for ex. a "K" symbol instead of that "A" symbol in top position of reel #1. That spin just dont exist in the system... Just a handful of spins are availibe to get. Slots are like a lottery, you push a button and you win €0 - €100,000 every time...and lets say the slot want you to win €75 and 40 cents (RNG and payout decide) there are maybe 100 different pre-programmed screens of symbols you will see even there could be millions of them theoretically... These screenshots proves it and it really take away the fun playing it...and of all of us playing this for almost a year soon it has not yet produced any really crazy payout, if there were a 10,000Xbet win it would have been posted somewhere...this slot have bigger potential than that I believe but it just never happen. Even Gemix pay 3000Xbet now and then...but have this Dragons Born produced a win like that yet? Only seen 2000X Bet win I believe... zzz...zzz..zzz
 
Actually it's not that unlikely. You see this sort of thing on multiway slots like Rhino too, if for example I get awarded a 72-way Rhino win in the base game over say reels 1-5 3,2,2,2,3 stacked, then it has a very similar configuration if I get the 144ways over 6 reels in the base game 3,2,2,2,3,2 stacked.

Like I said many a time you get graphics generated to match that value of win the RNG chooses. There are no 'real reels' so-to-speak but reel maps and possible wins related to them. See how few variations you get say on Twin Spin when the RNG has chosen a 4-way Queen win over 3 reels - you would expect any combo of reels 4&5 without Queens BUT you will always seem to get one of about 8 outcomes, 6x7's 6x diamonds Kings, 3 7's then 3 Queens etc. over and over.

Remember for game speed and programming ease the reels aren't always a random reflection of a genuine RNG award pick. This would be the case on any video slot which picks an overall result via the RNG rather than 5 separate reelstops like a mechanical slot.

I agree in that part that it would not be so unlikely on a slot like Rhino. But this slot has the added random splitting of up to 7 reel positions whereas on Rhino it is 4 and they are fixed.

Just assume you have 10 possible symbols for Reel 1 (didn't check how many there actually are), each possibly covering 1-7 positions. Do the maths to have a spin result with the exact symbols on each position just on that one Reel. Once you have that multiply it exponentially for the other 4 Reels.

Getting to 1 Trillion possible outcomes just for 5 reels is then not so far fetched. Unless the slot wins are pre-programmed but then the spin result is not random (as this industry does not stop beating it down on everybody that the slot results are 100% random :rolleyes: ), e.g. how many ways a reel splits, multiplier on reels 2-6 etc. .... it is just a lottery draw for a winning or losing spin from a predetermined, speak programmed, amount of possible outcomes.

Surely there are no real reels but the software developer will have to apply some algorithm and formula to firstly achieve the TRTP and secondly to display a result in a repetitive manner to give the player the illusion he is actually spinning reels.
 
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Harry mate! The snapshot was taken at the moment the Aces 'jumped forward' as they were being counted in the win counter! Think Raging Rhino (again) when you get say 2 Rhinos+2 kings reel 1 and then 4 wilds - the kings and Rhinos take turns to become 'prominent' every 5 secs or so when the win counter is going through the coins/gems display for a big win.....

Next in this thread:

"The 1969 moon landings were fake! I have proof!! - the US flag appeared to be waving in the photo and there is no wind on the moon....................................................................."

Yes, you are right. I just didn't know that the lady on Reel 3 is an "A" substitute. Hence, in my view the "A" on Reel 4 should not have been prominent. Curremon quickly cleared that up for me. So the "A's" are counted correctly.
 
We got nice picture from our member. 6x + 7x multiplier with top paying symbols payed +2000x total bet. Still huge potential on this slot, waiting for +10.000x hit!

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We've had a good look and think it's fake, reason:

Win displayed in the bottom right before the win has finished counting up.
Win displayed and not credited to the balance.

We have asked BWP to remove this grab.

Big Time Gaming official
 
We've had a good look and think it's fake, reason:

Win displayed in the bottom right before the win has finished counting up.
Win displayed and not credited to the balance.

We have asked BWP to remove this grab.

Big Time Gaming official

Actually check my video out in the thread - if you take a snapshot while the winning symbols are prominent and project forward, the win IS displayed in the bottom before the count has finished on the graphics AND it doesn't add to the player balance in the bottom left until the graphics are complete. So using that criteria you cannot say it's fake as the snapshot was taken during the graphics/count-up.

BUT 42 ways of aces means at they have paid 6.25 per way. 6OAK aces is 2.5 x stake so that's the first odd thing. At £2 stake that win should be 210.

£4200 FOR 42X 6OAK Dragons so we should be at 4410 so far.

18x 3OAK 10's = £3.60 (18 x 0.10 x stake)

4413.60 total.

So it is fake. £315 exactly out from what the win should have paid.

Check the pics below and see if I've got it right?

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Actually check my video out in the thread - if you take a snapshot while the winning symbols are prominent and project forward, the win IS displayed in the bottom before the count has finished on the graphics AND it doesn't add to the player balance in the bottom left until the graphics are complete. So using that criteria you cannot say it's fake as the snapshot was taken during the graphics/count-up.

BUT 42 ways of aces means at they have paid 6.25 per way. 6OAK aces is 2.5 x stake so that's the first odd thing. At £2 stake that win should be 210.

£4200 FOR 42X 6OAK Dragons so we should be at 4410 so far.

18x 3OAK 10's = £3.60 (18 x 0.10 x stake)

4413.60 total.

So it is fake. £315 exactly out from what the win should have paid.

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Your pay table shows £50 for a 6OAK Dragons, so 42 x 6OAK/£50 = £2100 .... or am i missing something? :confused: ..or are the £50 for a £1 stake? then the 4200 would be correct.
 
Your pay table shows £50 for a 6OAK Dragons, so 42 x 6OAK/£50 = £2100 .... or am i missing something? :confused: ..or are the £50 for a £1 stake? then the 4200 would be correct.

The values Harry are x stake, i.e 50x £2 for 6OAK dragons.
 
We've had a good look and think it's fake, reason:

Win displayed in the bottom right before the win has finished counting up.
Win displayed and not credited to the balance.

We have asked BWP to remove this grab.

Big Time Gaming official

Im chocked over how litte you know about your own sofware, very often the win display bottom right shows your win at same time you hit spin button long before first reel even stopped, this happen both playing on the phone or in computer. This tend to happen more often on bigger wins too. Its sad when the reels slows down for excitment of an upcoming big win and you have by mistake taken a look in the right bottom corner which already shows the future win amount.

So...this is still a real picture. If it is fake, it clearly must have been taken from the first picture in some way. But that raises other questions, how can this person take the picture from another operating system were the slot have slightly diffrent design and different design of the flying diamonds?...And why risk being caught with an old original picture, its harder to re-make that original pic than creating a complete new one when you dont need to re-create all the flying diamonds and so on.
 
Im chocked over how litte you know about your own sofware, very often the win display bottom right shows your win at same time you hit spin button long before first reel even stopped, this happen both playing on the phone or in computer. This tend to happen more often on bigger wins too. Its sad when the reels slows down for excitment of an upcoming big win and you have by mistake taken a look in the right bottom corner which already shows the future win amount.

So...this is still a real picture. If it is fake, it clearly must have been taken from the first picture in some way. But that raises other questions, how can this person take the picture from another operating system were the slot have slightly diffrent design and different design of the flying diamonds?...And why risk being caught with an old original picture, its harder to re-make that original pic than creating a complete new one when you dont need to re-create all the flying diamonds and so on.

I already told them that. It is fake though as the total amount is wrong for the screen win displayed. Secondly, if you look at a big win animation, the flying gems appear across all 6 reels not just the middle 4.
 
I already told them that. It is fake though as the total amount is wrong for the screen win displayed. Secondly, if you look at a big win animation, the flying gems appear across all 6 reels not just the middle 4.

Didnt see in your video that happen except after a free spin feature..Im talking about when you see the win amount long before the reels even stops.

Ok, it really is strange in that "fake" pic somthing is paying £262,50... / 42 = 6,25 Where in the paytable I find 6,25? Its little too stupid to fake an amount that is not possible to win in bottom center of screen...why whould he do that? Can you figure out what could have payed that amount? You sure the paytable cant differ depending of currency used or something? Why make the win amount wrong when its so easy to check?

And the gems are not around all screen all the time...it erupts from middle and it depend when you hit "print screen"..and if Im not wrong the eruptions starts over and over.
 

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