DOA not paying

[Bloatgoat]

I believe in the 9p / 18p / 27p / 36p bets; since the majority wagers on those bets thus the chances of hitting more frequent a big one is there. But it could be the complete opposite just ripping your money a tad slower.

When you play at a 18 a spin; chances are zero pretty much. All comes down to volume. The more wagering onto a certain bet the better yours and everybody's odds will be.

Slot machines do have various RTP's based on bet too.

 

[brianmon]

If you can regularly hit 0-2 wilds which we all do but at the same time it is possible to land 13 then you would expect a reasonable amount of bonuses to produce 6 or 7 wilds but this is generally not the case. It’s virtually always all or nothing.

It has to be that way because if it did drop 6 or 7 wilds regularly there would be a lot more x500-x2,000 wins of which there are hardly any (excluding wildline). Yet in theory these would obviously be easier to hit than a wildline but they have to be removed from being possible to allow for the mega hits.

Like I said, hitting 13 is probably very very rare. It's maybe even the only time it's ever happened.

The reason there are so few x500-x2000 wins, without getting a wildline. Is that there are very few of the premium symbols on the feature reel bands. They're mainly made up from 10, J, Q, K, A.
So hitting a 'natural' 5OAK of premium symbols is quite rare, and even if you have 4 wilds in a line, it's not so easy to get decent wins from them. Even the top symbol, the sheriff's badge only pays 222x. in the feature. So you'd need quite a few of those, along with the 4 wilds to land before you reached a 1000x-2000x win, and 4 wilds with a 10 will only pay 5.5x

The wildlines are everything in DOA. Hit one before getting the extra spins and you're guaranteed around 2000x for the next 5+ spins.
Complete one late, say within the extra 5 spins, and that's where the 500x - 2000x wins come from

 

[brianmon]

Slot machines do have various RTP's based on bet too.

No they don't. not, online slots at least. They can, legally, have different volatility based on the stake. But the RTP has to, legally, be the same for all stakes

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yes and it's obvious over the last weeks,months and years that the volatility on higher bets is pretty much tanked, stripped and gimped out. All for less liability for the casino's.

 

[Kroffe]

No they don't. not, online slots at least. They can, legally, have different volatility based on the stake. But the RTP has to, legally, be the same for all stakes

Sg has a couple slots with different rtp depending on stake.

Edit: This Barcrest slot "Lady of avalon"
96% when betting €2 or more, otherwise 94%

 

[brianmon]

Sg has a couple slots with different rtp depending on stake.

Maybe they do. But I assume they list them in the helpfile or paytable.
If a game lists its RTP at 96.1% overall. Then each stake must produce 96.1% RTP

 

[Halvor]

Yes and it's obvious over the last weeks,months and years that the volatility on higher bets is pretty much tanked, stripped and gimped out. All for less liability for the casino's.

You keep telling us its obvious but yet you never have any proof outside of the "I think so" bracket of evidence.

 

[Bloatgoat]

I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove anything i just KNOW and FEEL.

Ah wait; i think the next VIP offerings i'm being presented i might as well ask for a tour! Perhaps i can get the (final) answer to wether a casino is as genuine as they say they are. I dont care about soccer tickets, dine's with a liveshow n shit.

 

[Halvor]

Yes, why ruin a good conspiracy theory with minor stuff like facts and figures.

Edit: repeatedly telling us your a VIP do not add any credential, it just makes it look like your trying to brag

 

[Bloatgoat]

It's not a conspiracy, never said that. But it's just not the way as we are being told.

 

[Halvor]

It's not a conspiracy, never said that. But it's just not the way as we are being told.

"it's a complete cover-up, they lie to us, but in no way do I claim its a conspiracy"?

 

[Bloatgoat]

Legit casino or not, it is'nt the first time casino's or providers got away with bending the rules rather then breaking them. When a game is being capped related to it's max bet, what is it? When a game has stripped functionality, i.e the gambling feature being removed, what is it? When a game has changed related to gamble your spins feature where the obvious signal to play at is towards 12 and 16 spins (if your lucky enough) and not 24, what is it?

Casino's are in all silentness making changes to games, not inform (us) and expect us to trust the casino's. It's a gambling estabilishment, so offer the full functionality of the game or dont offer it. I've seen a bit too much of coincidence's related to online play. Now i'm sure here and there a glitch is'nt a big thing; but losing 8k on one game and winning it all back on a game that's torned down here for having gimped base gameplay or bonus play (bonaza). It's a bit obvious for me when i deposit a few times in a row, that at some point just without even playing yet i'm about to win.

Arguing here is like trying to win the special olympics. I wont gain anything with posting my message here; just sharing my side of the story / knowledge. I'm not alone. I know, lol. Did you see any legitimate streamer lately win super super big? It's no coincidence really. RTP's, volatility, sweetspot, all has bin changed in favor of the provider and casino's. Yet they could still claim it's 96% and still take your money in a legal way.

 

[lewisnadasurf]

Went months if not years chasing a wildline on DOA1. And within 3 months got 5 scatters, a triple wild line and a couple more. Kind of stopped playing it now.
Now DOA2 is horrendous. Takes 500-700 spins sometimes to just even bonus then Returns 36p.

 

[nikantw]

Maybe they do. But I assume they list them in the helpfile or paytable.
If a game lists its RTP at 96.1% overall. Then each stake must produce 96.1% RTP

It isn't that simple. It is a jungle out there.

MG never listed RTP, not until recently. Others still don't, not inside the game. You often need to be a detective to find it. Even if you do it can be the wrong one (like in one PnG thread) or say strange things without explaining.

A few examples:

• Respin slots often say things like "RTP without respin 96%, with the respin 96,5%". What respin? There is a huge number of possible respin positions and I have tried a few simple ones (by simple I mean only win combination is a low paying freaquent symbol) for many hours with RTP 92%!!
• Some isoftbet slots may say "RTP 95,2% at max bet" and nothing else. What is the RTP on a normal bet?!
  
• Blueprint and others have a max pay cap that would say something like "max pay is 10,000x or 100k". Ok but then they have a max bet at 100. Doesn't that mean that if you bet 100 you can't get more than 1000x on a slot that easily pays >1000x? How is that not drastically lowering RTP at high bets?

I have asked @trancemonkey a number of times and turns out that most regulations don't require much when it comes to RTP.

 

[brianmon]

It isn't that simple. It is a jungle out there.

MG never listed RTP, not until recently. Others still don't, not inside the game. You often need to be a detective to find it. Even if you do it can be the wrong one (like in one PnG thread) or say strange things without explaining.

A few examples:

• Respin slots often say things like "RTP without respin 96%, with the respin 96,5%". What respin? There is a huge number of possible respin positions and I have tried a few simple ones (by simple I mean only win combination is a low paying freaquent symbol) for many hours with RTP 92%!!
• Some isoftbet slots may say "RTP 95,2% at max bet" and nothing else. What is the RTP on a normal bet?!
  
• Blueprint and others have a max pay cap that would say something like "max pay is 10,000x or 100k". Ok but then they have a max bet at 100. Doesn't that mean that if you bet 100 you can't get more than 1000x on a slot that easily pays >1000x? How is that not drastically lowering RTP at high bets?

I have asked @trancemonkey a number of times and turns out that most regulations don't require much when it comes to RTP.

I agree. But the point I was making, with reference to Bloatgoat's post. Was that the RTP isn't different for different stakes. He was insinuating that there were separate RTP's for all the different possible stakes.
And then in reference to Kroffe's post... Unless any differences are stated in the paytable.

 

[nikantw]

I agree. But the point I was making, with reference to Bloatgoat's post. Was that the RTP isn't different for different stakes. He was insinuating that there were separate RTP's for all the different possible stakes.
And then in reference to Kroffe's post... Unless any differences are stated in the paytable.

But the examples show different RTP at different stakes. That is why I replied to your post.

 

[Halvor]

When a game is being capped related to it's max bet, what is it?

This must have been explained to you 100 times by now. Different casinos take different risks. Not all casinos can happily allow players to hammer on at max bet on any slot. The reason? They do not have the cash flow for it.

This is NOT affecting the game play, if your not happy with the stakes they offer then play at a casino that offers higher bets.

When a game has stripped functionality, i.e the gambling feature being removed, what is it?

Blame the UKGC, not the casino's. However buy features are a part of the maths as well. It's not like you will have 130% RTP on faeture buys and 20% if you play the game normally. Despite what you told us about your fantastic strategy at Extra Chilli, this is simply not how it works.

Did you see any legitimate streamer lately win super super big? It's no coincidence really. RTP's, volatility, sweetspot, all has bin changed in favor of the provider and casino's. Yet they could still claim it's 96% and still take your money in a legal way.

Yeah streamers like normal players keep having big hits. Unfortunately that does not mean you will see a 10.000x win every bloody day.

And you do understand that for everyone uploading a winning video there's thousands of similar wins where the players do not record them?

 

[Bloatgoat]

This is NOT affecting the game play, if your not happy with the stakes they offer then play at a casino that offers higher bets.

lollol...

A while ago, i signed up on some casino. Ive pushed 200 euro into 10k range. Hit the withdrawl button, was confronted with typical stalling tactics up the point that i got mad with 'm, and noticed that EVERY GAME ive attempted to play had the max bets like capped all of a sudden. yes they have that into their T&C's obviously but i can tell you NONE of the games would work after that.

Your suggestion that the game woud'nt be different IS NOT true!

 

[Halvor]

lollol...

A while ago, i signed up on some casino. Ive pushed 200 euro into 10k range. Hit the withdrawl button, was confronted with typical stalling tactics up the point that i got mad with 'm, and noticed that EVERY GAME ive attempted to play had the max bets like capped all of a sudden. yes they have that into their T&C's obviously but i can tell you NONE of the games would work after that.

Your suggestion that the game woud'nt be different IS NOT true!

Let me see if I got this right, you won a lot, they stalled you from withdrawing to lose it back and at the same time they wanted to stop you from betting big?



And yes, games does not work like you've convinced yourself. That you KNOW and FEEL something does not make it true.

 

[Bloatgoat]

Your stupid halvor. You wont be getting the same result when bets are capped in comparison when games are running through their full extend.

 

[Halvor]

Your stupid halvor. You wont be getting the same result when bets are capped in comparison when games are running through their full extend.

Now that's a useful and enlightened post

 

[Bloatgoat]

Yes, so is yours by making a claim that i blew the withdrawl in the first place. Some casino's run dirty tactics. Wether that's stalling funds, limiting bets in games and all that. Your a gambling establishment. If you dont want players hitting 20 up to 100 a spin you shoud'nt allow that in the first place if liability is such a big thing.

And when your playing on a game that has a betting limit from 50 back to 4 a spin, you wont be getting the initial game as it was intented. It's obviously running a limited version. Or it needs a shitload of wagering before anything 'big' happens.

When you ask questions about it the casino responds with yes thats the choice of the game provider. Like wth. The same game on another brand is without any of those caps. They are lying out of their ass, or at least giving mis information on that regard. The only reason why a limited bet is put is to limit financial liability.

I'm just one of those who kicks 200 into 10k's territory.

 

[Halvor]

I'm just one of those who kicks 200 into 10k's territory.

You know it's random, right?

 

[Bloatgoat]

I doubt it. Because after that withdrawl you won't be repeating that for months or even a year long. It's like you gotta wager a big chunk of that withdrawl 'back' with some extra.

That random too for you?

 

[Halvor]

I doubt it. Because after that withdrawl you won't be repeating that for months or even a year long.

That random too for you?

Almost like it's random who wins or not.

Slots are NOT skill games. You can not repeat some magic playing style and be guaranteed winning.