DOA not paying

herpderp3399

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Hi all, new member here. Been playing slots for a while now with reasonable success. However started playing DOA on recommendation by a friend and I have had the most terrible run ever.

It seems broken! I've put over £500 (£0.36-£0.72 stake) in and my biggest bonus round was 111x and it took around 100-150 spins to hit each bonus. Most bonuses I hit returned less than 20x with quite a few not hitting more than 1 wild.

Now when you play in the normal rounds you pretty much get a wild or two in every spin, yet when I went into the bonus rounds it could go 10 spins without hitting a single wild.

Has anyone else had bad luck with this slot recently? People rave about this slot yet my experience has been that I question it's randomness. Am I just really unlucky?
 

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Hi all, new member here. Been playing slots for a while now with reasonable success. However started playing DOA on recommendation by a friend and I have had the most terrible run ever.

It seems broken! I've put over £500 (£0.36-£0.72 stake) in and my biggest bonus round was 111x and it took around 100-150 spins to hit each bonus. Most bonuses I hit returned less than 20x with quite a few not hitting more than 1 wild.

Now when you play in the normal rounds you pretty much get a wild or two in every spin, yet when I went into the bonus rounds it could go 10 spins without hitting a single wild.

Has anyone else had bad luck with this slot recently? People rave about this slot yet my experience has been that I question it's randomness. Am I just really unlucky?

You aren't really Unlucky.

You are just playing the normal version of DOA.

Some people have been playing the slot for years and never once hit a wildline. The fact the bonus can pay so much means the majority of bonuses will pay next to nothing as you have found out.

Personally do not play the slot as it is boring as hell and chances of hitting a wildline are real low.

Some members on here seem to hit a wildline every time they play it. No mentioning names @Kroffe lol.

Others have played it a lot for years and never once hit a wildline .
 

Kroffe

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Wildline is one in every 150ish bonuses, and there are many many bonuses that are dead (0 wilds)

The spins in the bonus are predetermined, so you cant compare it with the basegame spins.
When you land a bonus, its already decided how much its going to pay and how many wilds will land etc.

I have had a bad run on Doa lately, and have played Whos the bride instead (their clone for the asian market)
Its the same slot, but different graphics.
If one is not paying i try the other, if both are not paying, you might aswell go to sleep since there are no other good slots (doa2 maaaybe). :)
 

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It's a highly volatile slot, you've got to expect plenty of downswings, I don't think I've had a wildline on DOA ever, I've had 2 on DOA2 though, go figure.

100-150 spins in this day in age is good, I decided to have a shot of piggy riches megaways the other day and over 1000 Spins for a bonus! It was also shit!

If you do hit a wildline then it's awesome, but they are rare.
 

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ive played this slot solidly for a few years had about 30 wildlines, 4 five scatters,most of my luck came in the early times of playing the slot,oddly since the html version came out the wildlines have virtually stopped there frequency,just the 2 i think,i agree with kroffes 1 in 150 frequency of course with variance that means you could easily go 500 bonuses without getting the wildline then again you can be really lucky and get 2 in a day
 

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I been playing DOA for 2 years,got 7 times 5 scatters 6 of them were on 9 cents and only once on 0.18 cents and on DOA2 got 5 scatters one week after the game was released.
Max i had were 3 wildlines and they are always in same 2 casinos i play.If i dont get free spins in the first 50 spins i change the slot.
 

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Same as me, really only play at one casino for doa2 been chasing that wild line from day dot of its release. Must be around 450 bonuses so far best result around 200x, so yes from experience it's very easy to go from bonus to bonus without hitting even one wild. As well as going hundreds of spins between each bonus or sometimes getting 5 within 50 spins. It's all hit or miss.
 

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Wildline is one in every 150ish bonuses, and there are many many bonuses that are dead (0 wilds)

The spins in the bonus are predetermined, so you cant compare it with the basegame spins.
When you land a bonus, its already decided how much its going to pay and how many wilds will land etc.

I have had a bad run on Doa lately, and have played Whos the bride instead (their clone for the asian market)
Its the same slot, but different graphics.
If one is not paying i try the other, if both are not paying, you might aswell go to sleep since there are no other good slots (doa2 maaaybe). :)
The official(ish) figure is actually a >1000x win every 450 features on average.
The features aren't predetermined, they just use a different reel band, with fewer wilds and premium symbols on. So the chance of getting a wild is much less than in the base game
If it was predetermined, there's no way they'd have 'programmed' in my 10,000x win, with 13 wilds
 

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Actually it was paying this weekend but ya it is a boring volatile slot, unpopular opinion but I say it is a "high roller" slot as you have to play at least 5 cent denom to win anything decent without relying on wildlines but you're balance goes down fast if it is in a cold mood.
 

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The official(ish) figure is actually a >1000x win every 450 features on average.
The features aren't predetermined, they just use a different reel band, with fewer wilds and premium symbols on. So the chance of getting a wild is much less than in the base game
If it was predetermined, there's no way they'd have 'programmed' in my 10,000x win, with 13 wilds
Woah, you sure about that?
Sounds so incredibly unlikely to end up with 0 wilds if that were the case.
And wildlines almost always come in "perfect" when they come.


Where did you get the figures for the feature?
Do you have one of those gamesheets?
 

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Woah, you sure about that?
Sounds so incredibly unlikely to end up with 0 wilds if that were the case.
And wildlines almost always come in "perfect" when they come.


Where did you get the figures for the feature?
Do you have one of those gamesheets?
I'd say it's quite easy to get no wilds, when there are so few of them on the feature reels.

I assume by 'perfect' you mean just 5 wilds all on a line, with no others anywhere else?
I can't say I've had that many 'perfect' wildlines, and I've had 100+ wildlines.
There are usually one or two wilds extra, which don't contribute to the wildlife. I've probably had just as many features which have given the 5 extra spins, but no wildlife. where the wilds are scattered all over or 4 on a line and 1 not, as I have actual wild lines.

I can't remember where the figure of 450 came from, but it's often been quoted on here for many many years. maybe harry has an official NetEnt figure.

Ps. That's the figure for a >1000x win.
It is still possible to get a wildline, which doesn't pay very much at all, if the line is only completed on the very last few spins
 
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I personally hate this game. Just for the fact that it takes wagering into oblivion to hit something good. But when you least expect it, it hits. And ive seen shit happening from 9 cents bet running into the 500's, bets of 90 cents running into 1500, and even a 5 scatter hit as my own personal record: fos.jpg

the bonus obviously paid for shit; but i woud'nt expect anything else really. After above ive kind of stopped playing DOA completely. it just is'nt worth it. it's the most boring game ever, and it's hit frequency is just very very low.
 

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I have to refer to @Harry_BKK on this one.
He has taught me everything i know about slots, so if anything i say is wrong its because Harry taught me wrong.

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NetEnt does not publish that exact info on the original DOA. But this are a few good indicators:

- 2.2% of the features will lead to the +5 Extra Spins. So, on average roughly 1:45 features you will get in general a +100x win. My lowest with +5 spins was just over 110x bet because the wilds landed so scattered.
- 0.66% of feature triggers have 3+ scatters

DOA is an "old-style" slot with reel bands and in the FS they use a different set as @brianmon pointed out. Let's say (just an assumption) if you have 1 wild on 50 positions instead of 3 then they will land much less on the reels. And on fewer occasions, you will have all five landing on a line together and you will have many more cases where they land scattered on the screen. Simple maths really.
 

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The official(ish) figure is actually a >1000x win every 450 features on average.
The features aren't predetermined, they just use a different reel band, with fewer wilds and premium symbols on. So the chance of getting a wild is much less than in the base game
If it was predetermined, there's no way they'd have 'programmed' in my 10,000x win, with 13 wilds
So random and difficult to hit wilds that you have 100 bonuses where you land 0-2 wilds and then hit 13 one time. Sounds more like predetermined than random to me.

I really wish I could believe all this random stuff, it must make playing slots so exciting.
 

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Snorky,

Landbased casino's seem to have a block of slots, where all the wagering of players over a course of time, is randomly distributed. You'd say that each and every spin would have a 'random' outcome but with a system like this it's more like pre-determined random play.

When i quoted here on these forums that one particular casino was the first one in the industry, applying such a model onto their casino where the deposits of all players minus the 3 to 4% was randomly distributed, nobody believed me. It was up for those (i left the casino's name back in that particular post) todo some homework and ask any representative at that place if that story was true.

There are a few threads here and on other forums where people start to question more and more how genuine random slots are, and that in particular, the providers seem to move the goal these days. The winning is way more difficult, difficilty level 99 and some casino's that used to hit hit for complete shit nowadays.

It woud'nt suprise me either, that more and more casino's, due to liability, more profits, less payout, changed particuliar things onto their place. A game help file might show 96 ~ 97% but the game could be altered in such a way that it still would represent a valid RTP or so just by going onto the base game. The alterations could be this:

- Volatility
- Removed certain features like gamble
- Adjusted the max bet
- Adjusted the max spins onto a gamble session

Everything i encounter these days with my favorite casino's, is up to the point that i'm getting more frustrated then ever. Not because of losing the money, but for simply not giving me a feature i play for, even if that takes 14x bonus buy on either 40 a piece or 5x at 2000 level. It's like bandit says; some games are designed to tilt you even more quicker and faster then ever.

Since BTG is licencing out a megaway feature, they have pretty much set the (new) standard in gambling. And they pretty much are selling you and others a hopeless dream that ends up in losing your money faster then you think. Your actually being cusioned over time that losing is the new winning. Your being trained like a donkey that if you lose now, tomorrow there will be a big win again.

If you run the numbers, the deposits vs actual withdrawls, not the virtual you played this and got that shit that nobody could even buy a candy bar for, most of the people have a serious loss. And the amount of threads on the net of people running into a gambling addiction, to the point where they lose their wife, kids, housing and all that is really worrying.

I miss the days due to the lockdown going to a normal casino. Go in with 200 or hell even a 1000, have a certain tactic, and 8 out of 10 times come out with PROFIT. Online casino's are the opposite. And the big wins really, i just consider it a payback over the times ive depositted up to 3 grand on avg a week. All with all i have the feeling i'm just being throw a bone with no real shot at the title.

You know the opinion of others cusioning you over and over of having a bad losing streak, seriously f 'm. That's all i can say. Go by what you feel and if you feel your done with it, just leave. I dont think gambling will ever be that what it was again (online). Its just waiting for the next set of games to be gimped for providers to wheel in a new hot thing and the cycle repeats all over again. They are making (b)millions year in year out, present you that you had a 96% RTP and you still lost thousands and thousands over time.

best con ever.
 

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Electronic roulette was probably the best con ever but they go hand in hand I suppose.
 

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Electronic roulette was probably the best con ever but they go hand in hand I suppose.

I dont understand people in the first place, playing electronic roulette and expect games to be fully random, as it is a machine programmed to make money and serve 8 to 12 players without the use of a dealer. It's pre-set to a RTP which means it's simply functioning within parameters. If you see odd shit, it's the pre-set parameters doing it's work. As long as it gives a fair chance of winning, it's allowed.

Lightning roulette; i think rocknrolla had a few streams where the ball obviously, and really, twice in a row, just 'bumped' up in a irregular way, completely rigged as shit. But from a different standpoint the rigged feature provides a higher payout when it happens to land on your number.

I personally really dont like roulette.
 

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So random and difficult to hit wilds that you have 100 bonuses where you land 0-2 wilds and then hit 13 one time. Sounds more like predetermined than random to me.

I really wish I could believe all this random stuff, it must make playing slots so exciting.
Not quite what I said.
I said I'd hit 100+ bonuses, which produced a 'wildline'. which have varied from 5 to11 wilds, one of those bonuses, a few years ago produced 13 wilds.
I've probably had 1000's and 1000's, which only produced 0-2 wilds.

I'd say it's very much random and very rare to get 13 our of 15 wilds. I've never seen any other screenshots, even on other sites. I've seen a few with 11 or 12. but never 13.
if it was predetermined, there'd be at least one duplicate
 

snorky510238

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Not quite what I said.
I said I'd hit 100+ bonuses, which produced a 'wildline'. which have varied from 5 to11 wilds, one of those bonuses, a few years ago produced 13 wilds.
I've probably had 1000's and 1000's, which only produced 0-2 wilds.

I'd say it's very much random and very rare to get 13 our of 15 wilds. I've never seen any other screenshots, even on other sites. I've seen a few with 11 or 12. but never 13.
if it was predetermined, there'd be at least one duplicate
If you can regularly hit 0-2 wilds which we all do but at the same time it is possible to land 13 then you would expect a reasonable amount of bonuses to produce 6 or 7 wilds but this is generally not the case. It’s virtually always all or nothing.

It has to be that way because if it did drop 6 or 7 wilds regularly there would be a lot more x500-x2,000 wins of which there are hardly any (excluding wildline). Yet in theory these would obviously be easier to hit than a wildline but they have to be removed from being possible to allow for the mega hits.
 

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I miss the days due to the lockdown going to a normal casino. Go in with 200 or hell even a 1000, have a certain tactic, and 8 out of 10 times come out with PROFIT. Online casino's are the opposite. And the big wins really, i just consider it a payback over the times ive depositted up to 3 grand on avg a week. All with all i have the feeling i'm just being throw a bone with no real shot at the title.

You know the opinion of others cusioning you over and over of having a bad losing streak, seriously f 'm. That's all i can say. Go by what you feel and if you feel your done with it, just leave. I dont think gambling will ever be that what it was again (online). Its just waiting for the next set of games to be gimped for providers to wheel in a new hot thing and the cycle repeats all over again. They are making (b)millions year in year out, present you that you had a 96% RTP and you still lost thousands and thousands over time.

best con ever.

Care to share that smart "certain tactic"? We could then clean out the casinos and be all millionaires! Yeeeehaw!

Question is, how come you are not one yet? :confused: Plus, why do you even play online when you can make such a sure PROFIT at land-based casinos so easily? :what:

Secondly, I am not sure you understand what RTP means in the mathematics of a slot.
 

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I wrote it before here,

Take a 1000 cash with you, head to your landbased. Insert 200 or 100 for that matter on your favorite slot, hit max bet, repeat untill you either win or go bust. You supposed to go bust up to 200 a machine. So if one does'nt work > try the next one. There's usually one slot that would hit. Works for me.

Thing is: most machines are set to avg handpays of up to 1200 ~ 1500. And i attempted a few high high high limit slots that would never hit at whatever i threw at it. Seriously, crammed 2k cash inside one machine (Zeus) with a max bet of up to 100 a spin, nada.

I realised that there's simply no volume on that bet level. If you watched certain slot players, i.e the big jackpot on youtube, the guy is nuts for playing at serious stakes, and he never seem to really really like 'win' you know. Most machines are simply capped on the maximum payout it seems. Something i noted myself as well. It's useless to play a slot beyond it's sweet spot bet level.

Secondly, I am not sure you understand what RTP means in the mathematics of a slot.

No i dont understand. Could you care to explain to me and why internet plays shit in comparison to landbased?
 

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I wrote it before here,

Take a 1000 cash with you, head to your landbased. Insert 200 or 100 for that matter on your favorite slot, hit max bet, repeat untill you either win or go bust. You supposed to go bust up to 200 a machine. So if one does'nt work > try the next one. There's usually one slot that would hit. Works for me.

Thing is: most machines are set to avg handpays of up to 1200 ~ 1500. And i attempted a few high high high limit slots that would never hit at whatever i threw at it. Seriously, crammed 2k cash inside one machine (Zeus) with a max bet of up to 100 a spin, nada.

I realised that there's simply no volume on that bet level. If you watched certain slot players, i.e the big jackpot on youtube, the guy is nuts for playing at serious stakes, and he never seem to really really like 'win' you know. Most machines are simply capped on the maximum payout it seems. Something i noted myself as well. It's useless to play a slot beyond it's sweet spot bet level.



No i dont understand. Could you care to explain to me and why internet plays shit in comparison to landbased?
The sweet spot is 9p.
;)
 
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