DoA Advantage Play Explained

[muziq]

i play DOA regularly ... say 10000 spins a day mostly ... and im way up in this slot that's why i play regularly ...

of course i see a pattern in dOA and can see what nicola trying to say is some what correct ... there is some times a cold streak on a this game ..

and its stone cold then .... and some times it go on hot giving frequent wins that's what i noticed too

but even though that hot session dont guarantee a big return or wild line

and the million dollar question is "when to up the bet ?

once i thought its hot and i upped my bet and it end in disaster

once it was cold for a while ... 250 was going all down @ .45 spins and i watch it sadly then bang bang ... 5 scatters when i my balance was 30

2 days ago .. @ casino floor i deposited 150 and 200 with 50% bonus and all went down ... i redeemed my comp pints 10 and oh ya i went to doa

i hit wild line and won 1000

in the end its all luck ..... and its all random as it should be

 

[muziq]

and another non sense is you cant win when a player win big on it i saw many saying that and wondering why ??

when nate had this unbelievable run on DOA ... i had my share too

in that days i won 2 wild line and one 5 scatter .... ya my bets are no way near nates ... its .36 and .45

and also i had many cash out 400-350 ish from 60-100 deposits..


come on if we cant win when other players win only nate and rolastan will win on DOA


end result :_ DOA is a random slot it shows some patter behavior for sure but you cant predict the pattern will go on

well thats the beauty of randomness..

and one last note ... a big bank roll or massive number of spins donnt guarantee anything ( i have dropped to 0 from a balance of 1008 betting .45 )

i have gone wild line less in 50K spins and i got it 2 times in 1k spins

happy spinning

 

[muziq]

will upload my screenies in abit

 

[Tirilej]

I must say that I think this thread is a little scary, and if some newbies read just the first post it can end in a disaster.

Didn't I read somewhere that Rolastan only could win like he did by playing 45cents. I also saw him win on 90c bet once, just because he had forgotten to lower his bet. So he have a very different way of winning than what this thread is about. That mean we now have several ways to win on DOA except just spinning and hoping for some luck

Please people, realize that the games are random and that you can't predict a win or force it to come in any way at all.
I would really like to know who that manager is Nicola. Did he really make you believe this because some Scandinavians now won playing like this without bonuses, but had used bonuses before? This wasn't clear to me. Smart lucky Scandinavians are forcing the casinos to have a higher wagering on DOA or doesn't allow it at all for bonusplay

 

[ugaboga]

I must say that I think this thread is a little scary, and if some newbies read just the first post it can end in a disaster.

Didn't I read somewhere that Rolastan only could win like he did by playing 45cents. I also saw him win on 90c bet once, just because he had forgotten to lower his bet. So he have a very different way of winning than what this thread is about. That mean we now have several ways to win on DOA except just spinning and hoping for some luck

Please people, realize that the games are random and that you can't predict a win or force it to come in any way at all.
I would really like to know who that manager is Nicola. Did he really make you believe this because some Scandinavians now won playing like this without bonuses, but had used bonuses before? This wasn't clear to me. Smart lucky Scandinavians are forcing the casinos to have a higher wagering on DOA or doesn't allow it at all for bonusplay

I believe there is sufficient evidence to determine that NetEnt is a Scandinavian operation designed to fleece non-Scandinavians and redistribute their losses to Scandinavian players. Typical Scandinavian socialism

 

[spintee]

Im am glad a few jumped in here as Nicalo OP can very much feel true alot of the time but does not mean it is true, & like Tirilej said if a newbie seen this & did even hit lucky than it would only end bad in the long run as no doubt they would not stop there and before you no it in a few months down the line the thread would reappear with some sore losses that have lost every think,

 

[Batman]

At the end of the day, no matter what you do, win or lose, the slot will still be at ~95% RTP

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[onkel]

and another non sense is you cant win when a player win big on it i saw many saying that and wondering why ??

when nate had this unbelievable run on DOA ... i had my share too

in that days i won 2 wild line and one 5 scatter .... ya my bets are no way near nates ... its .36 and .45

and also i had many cash out 400-350 ish from 60-100 deposits..


come on if we cant win when other players win only nate and rolastan will win on DOA


end result :_ DOA is a random slot it shows some patter behavior for sure but you cant predict the pattern will go on

well thats the beauty of randomness..

and one last note ... a big bank roll or massive number of spins donnt guarantee anything ( i have dropped to 0 from a balance of 1008 betting .45 )

i have gone wild line less in 50K spins and i got it 2 times in 1k spins

happy spinning

I don't know the odds of hitting a wildline, but I think it's way more than 1 in 50k spins. At the moment I'm at 1514 FEATURES without a wildline.

 

[AndyB-MrGreen]

The VIP manager who told you this is clearly as daft as a brush Nicola.
Or he's just pulling your leg.

There are groups of people abusing bonuses of course, but not in this way, not even close, and he says now they do it without bonuses - that's actually called "Playing slots".

 

[Nate]

Nate's secret strategy revealed

- No secret Strategy. DOA is volatile and high variance. Just like you can expect dead patches, you can expect nice returns.

I think people need to understand that HIGH Volatility slots have big wins clumped together and sparsely scattered across the paytable. This means that Big Wins are less frequent, but if they do happen, they can come quick and fast for a short period.

Lower variance Slots have more frequent mid sized wins in their paytables. As some people had a look at the stats and chances, you would see that you would get the 5 extra spins once in 150 odd (or more was it?) features. But that could be even longer dependent on your luck.

For the record, I had almost 2 months of regular DOA play before the hits where I couldn't hit to save my life. No extra spins, not even a win above 500x. This changed in the last 2 weeks but I can assure you, statistically, I am due for another barren run of note

Anyways, we all see patterns (myself included) - My philosophy has always been to play where I have the most value or to get the best wins - That has been DOA. Why waste $2 Spins on Spinata Grande on a $200 balance when you could play DOA for 0.45c on that balance and hit much higher than a Mega Win on the aforementioned Slot.

With most DOA big hitters, persistence is the key. Every session, every deposit. Take it easy peeps. Don't chase a DOA win, I have in the past and it never worked. Instead of doing $300 at one Casino, I do 3 x $100 and do 90c bets as an example. If you double or even triple your deposit - Take it and run, a win is a win. Its another session at another casino. But luck is luck. You could win or lose anytime, anywhere.

Good Luck !

Nate

 

[Jory]

So whilst being a random game, the key is to be playing when it's hot

It's always good to hear when someone has a run of luck, but I would say that believing you can tell when a slot is hot or cold is a very dangerous way of thinking and one that could likely see you lose all the money you've won.

I think I recall a thread you posted maybe a year ago with some "tips" on playing Dead or Alive which involved betting only €0.45 & €0.54 and setting auto play to 1000. I'm going to assume this strategy no longer works so you now play with a different strategy, which is understandable, but I think it highlights the point that there is no correct strategy to begin with.

Many slot players like to play with a strategy or look for patterns in the game play to help predict if they are going to win or lose, so it makes perfect sense that when they do get lucky, they give credit to their strategy rather than simply accepting it was random. It's obviously a lot more fun if you believe that you somehow managed to predict a slot was hot so raised your bet and hit big, but it doesn't mean it will happen again. It might happen again on your very next attempt and reinforce your belief in the strategy, or it might never happen again and you lose everything you won just trying.

All I would say is enjoy your winnings now, but just be careful if you try to follow the success you've had.

I'm surprised your VIP manager would even entertain such a conversation as I think implying that there are winning strategies for slots is very roguish. Their only job is to keep you playing because they know you will always lose in the long run no matter what you believe. I think they cross the line when they allow a player to indulge in their belief that they have a winning strategy.

I hope your luck continues regardless though and be sure to enjoy the winnings.

 

[goatwack]

It's always good to hear when someone has a run of luck, but I would say that believing you can tell when a slot is hot or cold is a very dangerous way of thinking and one that could likely see you lose all the money you've won.

I think I recall a thread you posted maybe a year ago with some "tips" on playing Dead or Alive which involved betting only €0.45 & €0.54 and setting auto play to 1000. I'm going to assume this strategy no longer works so you now play with a different strategy, which is understandable, but I think it highlights the point that there is no correct strategy to begin with.

Many slot players like to play with a strategy or look for patterns in the game play to help predict if they are going to win or lose, so it makes perfect sense that when they do get lucky, they give credit to their strategy rather than simply accepting it was random. It's obviously a lot more fun if you believe that you somehow managed to predict a slot was hot so raised your bet and hit big, but it doesn't mean it will happen again. It might happen again on your very next attempt and reinforce your belief in the strategy, or it might never happen again and you lose everything you won just trying.

All I would say is enjoy your winnings now, but just be careful if you try to follow the success you've had.

I'm surprised your VIP manager would even entertain such a conversation as I think implying that there are winning strategies for slots is very roguish. Their only job is to keep you playing because they know you will always lose in the long run no matter what you believe. I think they cross the line when they allow a player to indulge in their belief that they have a winning strategy.

I hope your luck continues regardless though and be sure to enjoy the winnings.

^THIS

Casinos are basically bricking themselves at the thought of you cleaning up with DOA, they would love you to raise your bets in the hope you bust out much quicker by giving you such shonky advice.

The fact remains decent returns can be acquired on minimal bets, you could have a meagre £20 starting balance and play 9p bets for all eternity with the chance of hitting a good win.

Even with the wagering halved on DOA at many casinos it makes literally no difference because most players would just switch games after a big hit, so if anything Managers across the board probably don't like low- rollers on DOA for this very reason.

And as for predicting the hotness of a slot, I once managed to get a £200+ win or so on MY LAST FIVE PENCE SPIN, I was about curl myself up into a ball and start cursing at how this game has done me over yet again before that happened.

So if I had upped my bet prior to this, I would have bust out no doubt. There is no predicting this bitch of a slot I'm afraid

 

[Batman]

There is no predicting this bitch of a slot I'm afraid

Same goes for every other slot.

If one player wins on a slot, 10 other players will lose (RTP - casino always has the edge)
It happens that bugs/exploits may be found, that's true.
But when that happens, in 1 day or so, the game will be pulled out and go under a thorough investigation.

I also came up with a lot of strategies and systems to play,
But now I keep it simple (keep all my lucky charms near me and start gambling - found out it works better ).

"A gambler with a system must be, to a greater or lesser extent, insane."
- George Augustus Sala (1828-95) English writer and journalist


LE: My system/s involved Task Manager, flow in the processes; game delays, symbol patterns, bet size increments and a lot more. Tried everything! No result whatsoever.

 

[Valhalla]

The VIP manager who told you this is clearly as daft as a brush Nicola.
Or he's just pulling your leg.

There are groups of people abusing bonuses of course, but not in this way, not even close, and he says now they do it without bonuses - that's actually called "Playing slots".

I do this. I frighten casinos with my "non bonus" abuse

True story.

 

[vinylweatherman]

The VIP manager who told you this is clearly as daft as a brush Nicola.
Or he's just pulling your leg.

There are groups of people abusing bonuses of course, but not in this way, not even close, and he says now they do it without bonuses - that's actually called "Playing slots".

Nevertheless, the fact is so many casinos have "special terms" for this slot, so it seems that casino owners and managers are even more gullible than newbie players when it comes to the "gambler's fallacy" in it's many forms.

This manager probably sees many Scandinavian players trying this, and some win big, but he then attributes this to there being an "emptier" for DoA. This can only be the case if it's a Fruit machine, rather than a random slot. Most "emptiers" are the result of coding mistakes within a game engine coupled with a compensator that tries to record money in vs money out and adjusts the win odds in order to keep close to a target ratio. This tale seems to suggest a compensated game that fails to account for changes in stake, thus it can be "buzzed up" on a low stake, and then harvested at a higher stake.

 

[Deeplay]

Read through most of this thread and on the face of it what Nicola has said can seem real.
But if I thought for 1 moment any video slot could by design go hot n cold I would never play another dime again ever!

We as human beings are good at seeing patterns where they truly are none. I am gullible to this myself.
Hammering away at a slot thinking that I have done 300 spins so the bonus has to drop soon!!!

In truth with video slots the design of them means they do not care less about last bet future bet or
what has or has not been paid out. It is the spin in question that matters. They dont hold memory.

The payouts and rake for the casino are built into the maths model from the slots conception.
It is as random as you can get away from the real world.

What Nicola had was a good run nowt more nowt less. It does not matter bet size amount of spins ... all that matters
is if you hit lucky on that slot at any one time.

Take for example when people say "4 scatter triggers pay crap most of the time" well the reason for that is not because they are built to pay crappier
just that they come less often so the chances of hitting a decent bonus will be in line with all other chances. But as you see 4 and 5 scatter triggers less often and then you get a crap paying bonus round we can find ourselves quickly asking Dunover for his Tin Hat.

In the end we places our money and takes our chances. Thats all it is random luck. Of which I have none at the moment but thats not due to a slot being cold or hot. Just the way it goes.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Read through most of this thread and on the face of it what Nicola has said can seem real.
But if I thought for 1 moment any video slot could by design go hot n cold I would never play another dime again ever!

We as human beings are good at seeing patterns where they truly are none. I am gullible to this myself.
Hammering away at a slot thinking that I have done 300 spins to the bonus has to drop.

In truth with video slots the design of them means they do not care less about last bet future bet or
what has or has not been paid out. It is the spin in question that matters. They dont hold memory.

The payouts and rake for the casino are built into the maths model from the slots conception.
It is as random as you can get away from the real world.

What Nicola had was a good run nowt more nowt less. I does not matter bet size amount of spins ... all that matters
is if you hit lucky on that slot at any one time.

Take for example when people say "4 scatter triggers pay crap most of the time" well the reason for that is not because they are built to pay crappier
just that they come less often so the chances of hitting a decent bonus will be in line with all other chances. But as you see 4 and 5 scatter triggers less often and then you get a crap paying bonus round we can find ourselves quickly asking Dunover for his Tin Hat.

In the end we places our money and takes our chances. Thats all it is random luck. Of which I have none at the moment but thats not due to a slot being cold or hot. Just the way it goes.

I would be right in there, and I would empty it

 

[Jono777]

Unfortunately it would already be empty upon your arrival

 

[Deeplay]

I would be right in there, and I would empty it

Ah yes from the man who forced the demise of the AWPs with his legendary mega run on what was it that pirate fruit machine
Never did work out what the top feature was on that game .... maybe you can enlighten me ?

 

[spintee]

@Deeplay, Yes there are less frequent 4 - 5 scatters, But the problem here is that 5 scatters pay good, 4 not so much, Yes I have seen some good wins with 4 scatters but if you weight out the odds than a four scatter pay does not seem to run with randomness,

I see Dunovers vids on Youtube & he states over that 4 scatter pay is shit, I had many of 4 scatters & can say they all played shit, 5 scatters have paid shit also but a nice win for them,

I complete understand what you are saying but the odds are far between, Im not saying that its not random but surley the machines have been programmed like this, If they can weight out the play for 3 - 4 -5 scatter ?

Just if some one would leak the stats One day maybe

 

[Deeplay]

@Deeplay, Yes there are less frequent 4 - 5 scatters, But the problem here is that 5 scatters pay good, 4 not so much, Yes I have seen some good wins with 4 scatters but if you weight out the odds than a four scatter pay does not seem to run with randomness,

I see Dunovers vids on Youtube & he states over that 4 scatter pay is shit, I had many of 4 scatters & can say they all played shit, 5 scatters have paid shit also but a nice win for them,

I complete understand what you are saying but the odds are far between, Im not saying that its not random but surley the machines have been programmed like this, If they can weight out the play for 3 - 4 -5 scatter ?

Just if some one would leak the stats One day maybe

If it does not seem to run with randomness then it means the whole slot is not random. We just see 4 and 5 scatters less so it hurts more when they pay shite. But the odds of hitting good are the same as 3 scatters. Just we see 4 n 5s alot less. I have had some great 4 scatter wins on RR and others
and a stack of crap ones. But the rtp / randomness of the slot remains the same.

Again if I thought there were any collusion to gimp any part of a video slot I would be gone. Truth is they do not need to mess with the slots in that way. Its built in so the casino always wins in the long term. With a few painful (for the casino) spikes such as Nates mega run right now. But thats just my POV nowt else

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ah yes from the man who forced the demise of the AWPs with his legendary mega run on what was it that pirate fruit machine
Never did work out what the top feature was on that game .... maybe you can enlighten me ?

Never officially admitted by Microgaming though, just rather suspicious excuses like "undergoing maintenance" or "they were not popular". It also lasted for YEARS.

The top feature was Jackpot plus repeat chance of any cash prize from 1x to 500x. Most top features were jackpot + small change, but the "megastreak" would often involve one or more further jackpots off the repeats, and/or substantial other prizes like 80x and 40x within the repeat runs.

The "emptier" for these was similar to Jackpoteers, UK players will now realise how these AWPs were "done" Technically not an emptier in the true sense as the game could not be "emptied" other than by bankrupting the casino. It would also die once it had dropped what it was willing to drop, rather than carry on paying jackpots "forever" given a certain playing style.

 

[Deeplay]

Never officially admitted by Microgaming though, just rather suspicious excuses like "undergoing maintenance" or "they were not popular". It also lasted for YEARS.

The top feature was Jackpot plus repeat chance of any cash prize from 1x to 500x. Most top features were jackpot + small change, but the "megastreak" would often involve one or more further jackpots off the repeats, and/or substantial other prizes like 80x and 40x within the repeat runs.

The "emptier" for these was similar to Jackpoteers, UK players will now realise how these AWPs were "done" Technically not an emptier in the true sense as the game could not be "emptied" other than by bankrupting the casino. It would also die once it had dropped what it was willing to drop, rather than carry on paying jackpots "forever" given a certain playing style.

Ah okay yes always wondered about that. And JP was that 500 x bet ?

I think most I got was 20 or 30 free spins. By refusing other wins. But did not always work. Came no where close to your 50 odd K! But yes they were decent. Then something changed as I recall and refusing wins as such in the bonus feature did not seem to work. Could have been chipped or just my being crap playing them.

I used to play pub slots few years back and work on forcing them. But was more hassle than it was worth. And sometimes got royally effed by em. I never bother now with offline gambling and have been into a bookes twice in 18 months and each time lost on those infernal FOBTS. Which are the worst of the worst.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Ah okay yes always wondered about that. And JP was that 500 x bet ?

I think most I got was 20 or 30 free spins. By refusing other wins. But did not always work. Came no where close to your 50 odd K! But yes they were decent. Then something changed as I recall and refusing wins as such in the bonus feature did not seem to work. Could have been chipped or just my being crap playing them.

I used to play pub slots few years back and work on forcing them. But was more hassle than it was worth. And sometimes got royally effed by em. I never bother now with offline gambling and have been into a bookes twice in 18 months and each time lost on those infernal FOBTS. Which are the worst of the worst.

Most likely, I noticed changes in the "tells". However, they may have screwed up as many of my monumental wins from these took place in the last two years before they were pulled. Before this, I considered my 2009 £50K at 32Red a "one off" unlikely to be repeated.

In the end, it was, same amount (50K) same machine (Treasure Ireland) but at GNUF (now closed )

I also gave Purple Lounge a right royal reaming before they went downhill after being sold to new owners who turned out to be fiddling the accounts and spending players' money on other things.

Most "megastreaks" were like a switch being flicked. One moment the feature would die early, and then suddenly it was going all the way despite little further money being "forced" in with wins being knocked back. It was these "megastreaks" that were the real earners from these, but they were by no means "one off". They seemed to come along every couple of dozen cycles (forces for jackpot or high win). They compensated for the forces that went bad and paid back well under 50% of the money forced in.

 

[interlog]

Thought this may be the best topic to post an observation.

After having played thousands of spins, you can tell when the game is going to pay in normal play.

If the first reel does an extra turn, you have a winning spin. If it lands normal you're not going to win, even if one scatter symbol appears on any of the first lines.