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DoA Advantage Play Explained

Discussion in 'Slots Discussion' started by Nicola, May 14, 2015.

    May 14, 2015
  1. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    Had the pleasure of speaking to a VIP manager of one of the big NetEnt casinos last week and brought up the subject of DoA. Immediately you could tell by his chuckle he knew what I was about to say!

    Whilst many of us moan (including myself) about increased wagering on bonuses when playing DoA, sometimes double and even x175 (G'Day, Fruity Casa etc) I now understand and more importantly respect why they have brought in these recent terms to protect their brand.

    The biggest offender of bonus abuse and the "advantage play" as he put it was the Scandinavian counties. Groups of players hammer DoA on minimal bets, then when the slot becomes hot (will explain in a moment) they increase bet sizes by x70-100 and collect frequent bonuses which often pay x1000-5000 bet. Most recently, these players don't use bonus funds, they play without.

    So how does DoA become hot? Simple, having tested myself on four different casinos simultaneously (x2 BT IPs and x2 Mobile IPs) over the course of a week at 12 hour intervals, the slot often goes cold for many hours. I mean stone cold, no bonuses on any of the casinos, barely any 2 scatters nor big wins. All of a sudden the bonuses come back and you have a short period of frequent bonuses and modest wins. This was reflected over all four casinos, and occasionally all four were in the bonus at the same time. From then onwards, you get standard RTP (in my opinion) before it turns cold again.

    Playing 9p stakes (without any bonus funds) during the cold period, and then rapidly increasing bet when it show signs of getting hot, this is what happens:

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    So whilst being a random game, the key is to be playing when it's hot :thumbsup:
     
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  2. May 14, 2015
  3. osulle

    osulle Ueber Meister CAG mm4 mm1

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    Very informative post Nicola, thanks:)
     
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  5. goatwack

    goatwack enthused hangman CAG

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    Isn't that the secret to all slots play, to up your bets at the right time lol? Whilst I agree with your sentiment, what exactly constitutes DOA being hot?

    Is it when you get 5oak on a high symbol or just when you actually have two consecutive winning spins, such is the brutality of this game?

    But at least I know to quit the slot now if it goes predictably cold & not to hold out for a miraculous turnaround!:rolleyes:
     
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  6. May 14, 2015
  7. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    I wouldn't call that advantage play, just play.

    Of course, its slightly different where bonus funds are in use but my general feeling is that usual bonus rules about stake amounts are applicable. Out with that, then favor enough.

    Rarely take deposit bonuses as I like to feel free to play as I wish. That said, rarely feel the game is hot enough to risk upping my stake.
     
  8. May 14, 2015
  9. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    The inference from Nicola's post is that the slot gives 'tells'. Hard-core foil-hat stuff on a random game. Then again, I have seen BDBA do this (dropping 2 scatters and spinning for the 3rd frequently) and Raping Rhinoceros. RR tends to drop 2 diamonds in 2 or 3 times in a 5-spin period before the feature comes. It also gives frequent 9's and 10's combos across 4 and 5 reels when 'hot'. Beware when it keeps dropping single Ace reel 1, 2 aces reel 2 and no win.......


    DoA Advantage Play Explained: zzzzzzzzz.JPG,May 14, 2015
     
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  10. May 14, 2015
  11. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    Very true. That's why I tried 4 different casinos at the same time with multiple IPs to see if it was just the player being affected or everyone by the RNG. This was consistent over 9 sessions of a minimum of 12 hour plays.
     
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  12. May 14, 2015
  13. gagamel

    gagamel Professional smurf hunter MM

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    I believe most people here know that it`s best to play a slot when it`s hot.

    But how do we know that a slot is hot? In my opinion and after 26 years of playing I know that there is no way know it. I played them all, online, B&M casinos, pubs, Spielhallen and I never found a way to say a slot is hot now.

    It is different with the british fruities, of course.

    But a random game is a random game. If you repeat your 12 hour experiment 100000 times you will see that there is no cold or hot period for hours.

    It`s always the same, a slot pays the RTP for everyone if you play long enough. I`m 5000 in plus playing DOA. Had 3 big hits in 10 sessions and never played after these hits.

    And after Nate`s hits I will wait another year to give this slot another try:D
     
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  14. May 14, 2015
  15. citizenx

    citizenx Meister Member MM

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    My feeling is that it does. I note that you'll often get lots of four wilds in DOA ahead of a five wild bonus. But as you say, if the game is random, how come this pattern of behaviour?

    Also, when cold its cold everywhere.

    I find the number of winner screenshots for DOA on here comes in fots and starts. Usually see a few around the same time then nothing for a while.

    Starts us going into tin hat territory as you rightoy say but seems some casino operators also have "queries" in his regard hence the special wagering requirements.
     
  16. May 14, 2015
  17. dunover

    dunover Unofficial T&C's Editor CAG PABnononaccred PABnonaccred PABinit mm3 webmeister

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    A bit different here. I notice before a bonus round giving wilds over only 1 or 2 reels the cat tends to lie by the living room door. When the cat lies wedged against the settee 3 or 4 reels display wilds. When the cat lies in the middle of the carpet but only on the days my missus burnt the toast before she went to work, I will get 5 reels with wilds but no winline.
    I'm pretty sure that when the cat comes in through the cat-flap from the back garden and walks clockwise (unusual) around the dining room table and both me and the missus burn the toast and the cat then lies just off-centre of the carpet, that if I get 3 scatters within 5 seconds of that cluster of events then I will hit a wildline.
    I cannot contrive this chain of events as somehow deliberate over-toasting is bad luck, and the bloody cat is totally cussed and untrainable and won't play ball.
    So I am still waiting for my first wildline. :(
     
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  18. May 14, 2015
  19. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    I have noticed the pattern for years across a number slots, I no a few more ways that seem to get the reels going also, Again people may say get the hats out but I have been playing long enough to see the pattern,

    Unless its in our heads? Most of the time its probs is. Look how many times I said to my self thats in now only for it to be false hopes, Thousands of in nows and one manages to roll in and you say to you self I knew it was in :) BOLLOCKS lol or would of been in the other 50 times I said it,

    But I truly do not think they RGN, I think every session every time you open up a game takes a block of numbers and in that block is where a good set of numbers are & get lucky, I would love to get some real stats from the games suppliers but until that day comes we can all keep our hats,
     
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  20. May 14, 2015
  21. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    Surprised to see such an experienced member post this type of nonsense - unless it's a joke?

    You can call a slot "hot" but that is based on past performance - you will never know what the next spin is going to be. You have the exact same chance to hit a certain reel combination when you press your next "spin", regardless whether your last was a dead spin or 10,000x your bet.
     
  22. May 14, 2015
  23. Nicola

    Nicola Casino Affiliate MM mm1 webmeister

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    I don't think it's nonsense, and turning €975 into €11,236 in less than a week is no joke for me at least! It was an experiment that I tried and those are the results. Why I posted this thread in the 'Slots Discussion' section :)

    A lot of people have commented over the years that DoA feels different than usual slots, it's one of only a handful of slots online that have special terms and conditions applied to it. I have never tried this technique before, so was interested in the results of upping my bet when the game appeared to be paying better, and betting less when it wasn't.
     
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  24. May 14, 2015
  25. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    If it wasn't nonsense then you are saying that a £1B+ company is violating their license terms in several jurisdictions, using a crooked RNG and different code than the RNG testing lab received. Maybe that's more likely than just you being lucky, who knows.
     
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  27. spintee

    spintee Meister Member webby mm2

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    You missed a trick there Nicola, You forgot to up your bets on the 27p stake win :)

    If you uped that bet to 3.60 would of been over 10k
     
  28. May 14, 2015
  29. onkel

    onkel Experienced Member PABnonaccred

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    She also did 350+ spins @ €3.60 (last screenshot), so I guess you cannot narrow it down when the slot is ready to burst to just a few spins :)
     
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  30. May 14, 2015
  31. lotusch

    lotusch Noob Webby webby PABaccred mm2

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    Mixed comments but I think Nicola might have a very good OP there.
    I hammered DOA on Guts and finally got my 5 wilds on a payline a while ago but it did cost me many thousands of spins over the coarse of a few months.
    I also had a few sessions where I felt the slot was playing better then normal with frequent FS and wins in the 100-500x stake range,so yeah I don't know really.
    It is not that I will ever up the bet on this slot as I am basicly affraid of it lol.
    Play MGS slots and WMS slots for €1.50 - €3.00 a pop but DOA,no way hosé...
    I am more then happy to hit 5 scatters or wilds on a modest €0.45-€0.90 bet.. :D:D

    Btw,is there also a hotmode in GoT 243 lines?
    Any casino,any time,any stake size it beats the crap out of me with frequent RTP of below 60% in a session,FS not appearing for 1000+ spins is more common then not. ;)
    That said I have seen what mega wins this slot can produce so ultra high variance I suppose.
     
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  32. May 15, 2015
  33. dave1888

    dave1888 Meister Member PABnononaccred2 mm1

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    Isn't this what I did on Reel Steal 2500 9p spins and then 27p when I had a feeling and first spin on 27p I won over £151 I could have been stuffed if I upped it to 90p then :D Didn't play with a bonus though so might be fine.
     
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  34. May 15, 2015
  35. lotusch

    lotusch Noob Webby webby PABaccred mm2

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    On the other hand,you never know when it is time to up your bet...
    It still can take many spins before you hit a big win as mentioned in an earlier post but it also goes for the other way.
    Imagine,playing 9p spins and before raising the stakes the big one hits and you get a 4000x stake win on that. :eek2::eek2::eek2:
    You'll walk away with a miserable 360 quid. :cool::D
    I would go bananas I think!
     
  36. May 15, 2015
  37. Finn

    Finn Senior Member MM

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    Wagering requirements for a bonus expire when you go bust. Because of this, any high risk strategy that results in going bust fast or shooting high up, any this kind of strategy lowers your average wagering completion, resulting in higher expected average gains.

    High risk and going either bust relatively fast with minimal completion of wagering or shooting up high might come either from high stake sizes or high variance.

    High risk strategies based on stake sizes of 25-100% of bonus size are banned by majority of casinos. DoA has gotten pretty famous for it's capability to deliver 2k times the stake size or higher hits. I think it gets singled out due to it's high variance, because of this some casinos either ban playing it with bonus money, or make it contribute less to the wagering.
     
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  38. May 15, 2015
  39. ugaboga

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    Nate's secret strategy revealed :thumbsup:
     
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