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- Thread starter lstd0t
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They can't as unless they were running their own bespoke software, the RTP model they chose for any particular slot game would be from the providers' maths option menu and integrated RNG.
So who decides what RTP version an online casino runs?
A bag has 100 balls in it. If the RTP is lowered, you still have a chance of picking out a winning ball at random. Just less of a chance.
The games and reels are coded to adapt similarly. Just as random, just less favourable.
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They do, based on desired profit margin (house edge) same as a retailer decides what price to sell its goods at.
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You need to separate out the two concepts here.
The Random Number Generator doesn't care what its input is used for - it keeps churning out random numbers until it stops working.
The maths model describes the mapping from that RNG to the game space - whether that be genuine reels, scratchcard slots (balls in the bag) or something else. The model dictates everything - volatility, RTP, win frequency.
So the RNG can feed into one or more slots with one or more math models. The key is that each step is certified to ensure it is doing what it claims to do - otherwise you can get (and has happened previously, on a fraudulent casino) a certified RNG where the blackjack game cheats and takes multiple RNG calls and picks the one that fits better (for a significantly lower RTP than advertised).
The Random Number Generator doesn't care what its input is used for - it keeps churning out random numbers until it stops working.
The maths model describes the mapping from that RNG to the game space - whether that be genuine reels, scratchcard slots (balls in the bag) or something else. The model dictates everything - volatility, RTP, win frequency.
So the RNG can feed into one or more slots with one or more math models. The key is that each step is certified to ensure it is doing what it claims to do - otherwise you can get (and has happened previously, on a fraudulent casino) a certified RNG where the blackjack game cheats and takes multiple RNG calls and picks the one that fits better (for a significantly lower RTP than advertised).
my only explanation is :
- RNG is RNG and cannot be less random
- RNG generator is at the casino, ussualy
- only way to change RTP is through provider ...
how does a provider maintain good rating attraction if casinos ask low rtp from one provider and high from another, eg
- RNG is RNG and cannot be less random
- RNG generator is at the casino, ussualy
- only way to change RTP is through provider ...
how does a provider maintain good rating attraction if casinos ask low rtp from one provider and high from another, eg
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RNG (physical hardware) will be co-located with the game servers (provider). It should be completely independent and in meaningful jurisdictions will be certified that the numbers are random.
As to the rest, it's a balance of power...
In the old days, there were a limited number of providers - the established names (e.g. Microgaming, Playtech, IGT) wielded power over the casinos by signing exclusivity contracts (so you went to a Microgaming casino, or a Playtech casino, or an IGT casino - one casino = one provider in most cases), so the upstarts competed on RTP to lure in players (e.g. NetEnt) - which is why they ticked up from 93-95% to 95-97%.
In recent times, there are so many providers (more than 200) that the casinos turned the tables and offered front-and-centre placing to providers that would offer lower RTPs (e.g. William Hill). It also offers less incentive for slot developers to do unique stuff because if they do (e.g. Novomatic Book of Ra, Aristocrat Lightning Link) it'll be copied by 50 other providers before you can say grand jackpot.
Furthermore the more unscrupulous providers realised they could short circuit by working with monopoly money streamers (or "influencers") to shill their tat - enticing their viewers to play worse games (whether RTP, playability, or both), on bigger bets and lose even faster than before.
Some would argue the greed has got to such an extent that it's starting to be unsustainable - a 90% slot will at average luck eat money 2.5x faster than a 96% slot... there's only so long a player can feel "unlucky" before they realise they've been conned by horrific RTPs. It's not entertainment when nothing happens.
As to the rest, it's a balance of power...
In the old days, there were a limited number of providers - the established names (e.g. Microgaming, Playtech, IGT) wielded power over the casinos by signing exclusivity contracts (so you went to a Microgaming casino, or a Playtech casino, or an IGT casino - one casino = one provider in most cases), so the upstarts competed on RTP to lure in players (e.g. NetEnt) - which is why they ticked up from 93-95% to 95-97%.
In recent times, there are so many providers (more than 200) that the casinos turned the tables and offered front-and-centre placing to providers that would offer lower RTPs (e.g. William Hill). It also offers less incentive for slot developers to do unique stuff because if they do (e.g. Novomatic Book of Ra, Aristocrat Lightning Link) it'll be copied by 50 other providers before you can say grand jackpot.
Furthermore the more unscrupulous providers realised they could short circuit by working with monopoly money streamers (or "influencers") to shill their tat - enticing their viewers to play worse games (whether RTP, playability, or both), on bigger bets and lose even faster than before.
Some would argue the greed has got to such an extent that it's starting to be unsustainable - a 90% slot will at average luck eat money 2.5x faster than a 96% slot... there's only so long a player can feel "unlucky" before they realise they've been conned by horrific RTPs. It's not entertainment when nothing happens.
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@lstd0t , you’ve posted the same topic it two different places on our forums. This is called “cross-posting” and is specifically prohibited in the Forum Rules . Please don’t.
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Regards,
Max Drayman
Senior Forum Moderator
Thank you for your understanding and cooperation.
Regards,
Max Drayman
Senior Forum Moderator
Feel free to delete - merge ... One of the post was before registering account ... din't think that would go through ...
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NP, they’ve been merged.
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I don't really get why this is even a thing. The RTP should be the same across the board. I bet most people playing slots don't even realize that there are varying RTP depending on the website they choose to play on. They'll just see the same game they played & won at on another site, not realizing it's not the same at all. It's not like the casinos aren't making enough money already..
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It's greed, pure and simple.
Same reason German casinos cannot operate at 95% because of the absurd consumption tax imposed - so most games run around 90% or less. Everyone - including the regulator - wanted their slice of the pie, and sort of forgot that the player still has to have entertainment for them to want to gamble.
Same reason German casinos cannot operate at 95% because of the absurd consumption tax imposed - so most games run around 90% or less. Everyone - including the regulator - wanted their slice of the pie, and sort of forgot that the player still has to have entertainment for them to want to gamble.
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