Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Harry_BKK]

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Compare that to how the lockdown rules are enforced here in SG.

If I get caught anywhere outside without a mask, I will lose my Long-Stay Visa, have to instantly leave SG (they give you 24hrs) and will never be allowed back into the country. Never mind the SGD10,000 fine I would have to pay.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Compare that to how the lockdown rules are enforced here in SG.

If I get caught anywhere outside without a mask, I will lose my Long-Stay Visa, have to instantly leave SG (they give you 24hrs) and will never be allowed back into the country. Never mind the SGD10,000 fine I would have to pay.

That's how Countries like Singapore can keep the virus under control.

You'd have liberals moaning it was an infringement of their human rights over here

I'd much rather put my faith in places like that who have experience and have dealt with SARS before over somewhere that has to pander to the namby namby momentum brigade...who seemingly don't want coronavirus deaths, yet also don't want any of their freedoms impinged upon.

 

[Kroffe]

That's how Countries like Singapore can keep the virus under control.

You'd have liberals moaning it was an infringement of their human rights over here

I'd much rather put my faith in places like that who have experience and have dealt with SARS before over somewhere that has to pander to the namby namby momentum brigade...who seemingly don't want coronavirus deaths, yet also don't want any of their freedoms impinged upon.

Yeah, like all the liberals in USA out with their guns and confederate flags.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Yeah, like all the liberals in USA out with their guns and confederate flags.

I think we should leave Harry to the eye rolls

Maybe the word liberal was too generic as I'm quite liberal myself. Picture the sandal wearing, latte sipping, middle class ideological liberal and we are closer to the mark of who I meant

 

[Harry_BKK]

That's how Countries like Singapore can keep the virus under control.

You'd have liberals moaning it was an infringement of their human rights over here

I'd much rather put my faith in places like that who have experience and have dealt with SARS before over somewhere that has to pander to the namby namby momentum brigade...who seemingly don't want coronavirus deaths, yet also don't want any of their freedoms impinged upon.

To be honest, SG is often extremely draconian, e.g. any amount of drugs someone tries to smuggle into the country is facing the death sentence.

The locals pay SGD1000 fines for a first stop without a mask, 10K and/or prison up to 6 months and/or caning for the second.

They did a stellar job as they set-up an entire system after SARS. That was until they made the mistake to forget about the worker dormitories. You have up to 50K people in each, 10-20 in a room, sharing showers and kitchen/cafeteria and it spread like a wildfire. Without those cases we would be below 1000 infected patients.

What is really strange yet very positive. SG has over 30K cases and only 22 deaths. Transfer that to the UK with 260K cases and you should have not more than 200 deaths and not some 37K. Germany with 180K cases would have only about 130 deaths and not over 8K

Why the big difference is anyone's guess.

 

[Kroffe]

I think we should leave Harry to the eye rolls

Maybe the word liberal was too generic as I'm quite liberal myself. Picture the sandal wearing, latte sipping, middle class ideological liberal and we are closer to the mark of who I meant

Sandals are so overrated.
Shoes overall are overrated i guess.
I bought a pair running shoes some time ago, mostly just to see how the hell they work.
Turns out you have to do all the running yourself, so they should really just be called shoes.

If only it were socially acceptable to be barefoot i would never wear those foot-prisons.

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[sufferinsilence]

To be honest, SG is often extremely draconian, e.g. any amount of drugs someone tries to smuggle into the country is facing the death sentence.

The locals pay SGD1000 fines for a first stop without a mask, 10K and/or prison up to 6 months and/or caning for the second.

They did a stellar job as they set-up an entire system after SARS. That was until they made the mistake to forget about the worker dormitories. You have up to 50K people in each, 10-20 in a room, sharing showers and kitchen/cafeteria and it spread like a wildfire. Without those cases we would be below 1000 infected patients.

What is really strange yet very positive. SG has over 30K cases and only 22 deaths. Transfer that to the UK with 260K cases and you should have not more than 200 deaths and not some 37K. Germany with 180K cases would have only about 130 deaths and not over 8K

Why the big difference is anyone's guess.

Quite a difference indeed. Qatar has even less deaths: 23 with over 43k cases. Meanwhile we're standing strong at over 9000 deaths in 57k cases.

 

[sufferinsilence]

That's how Countries like Singapore can keep the virus under control.

You'd have liberals moaning it was an infringement of their human rights over here

I'd much rather put my faith in places like that who have experience and have dealt with SARS before over somewhere that has to pander to the namby namby momentum brigade...who seemingly don't want coronavirus deaths, yet also don't want any of their freedoms impinged upon.

It's more the right leaning politicians/people who have an issue with the lockdown rules and regulations over here. Same with almost every country really.

Maybe the UK is different, as usual

 

[Mr_Slot5]

It's more the right leaning politicians/people who have an issue with the lockdown rules and regulations over here. Same with almost every country really.

Maybe the UK is different, as usual

Yes the UK sure likes to be different

 

[shadow123]

Talk about hero to zero, Boris has managed that in spectacular fashion,lost all respect for the guy although
to be honest I dont think he has been right since he had the virus.
If Cummings had one bit of integrity he would help him out by doing the decent thing,he must be a real
shit allowing this to continue and I have no Idea why Boris is so supportive of him.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Talk about hero to zero, Boris has managed that in spectacular fashion,lost all respect for the guy although
to be honest I dont think he has been right since he had the virus.
If Cummings had one bit of integrity he would help him out by doing the decent thing,he must be a real
shit allowing this to continue and I have no Idea why Boris is so supportive of him.

I'd say if it does come out that the child of Cummings has special needs then Boris has done the ethical thing in not sacking him.

In fact I think Boris would be completely vindicated in his actions and would explain why he is so staunchly backing Cummings.

I'd suggest we don't know the full ins and outs and a trial by media is not cool at all.

 

[shadow123]

Understand that a special needs child might need more support but Cummings had relatives closer
to London and its no excuse for going off on jollies and admiring bluebells, Try that on with your local police.

 

[bamberfishcake]

To be honest, SG is often extremely draconian, e.g. any amount of drugs someone tries to smuggle into the country is facing the death sentence.

The locals pay SGD1000 fines for a first stop without a mask, 10K and/or prison up to 6 months and/or caning for the second.

They did a stellar job as they set-up an entire system after SARS. That was until they made the mistake to forget about the worker dormitories. You have up to 50K people in each, 10-20 in a room, sharing showers and kitchen/cafeteria and it spread like a wildfire. Without those cases we would be below 1000 infected patients.

What is really strange yet very positive. SG has over 30K cases and only 22 deaths. Transfer that to the UK with 260K cases and you should have not more than 200 deaths and not some 37K. Germany with 180K cases would have only about 130 deaths and not over 8K

Why the big difference is anyone's guess.

My guess would be diet and lifestyle - Better diet and lifestyle = better immune system and healthier body and mind.

You cannot manufacture an immune system as good as mother natures.

Regarding Boris. He has truly demonstrated just how inept he is at being a leader.

I am sure he is a nice bloke but who needs 'Tim Nice But Dim' running a country....

 

[pinnit2014]

There wouldn't be the so-called trial by media if Johnson had came out, at least, semi coherent, not jittery, contradictory, quick to cut off any questions, not even really answering anything - that wasn't the hallmark of someone who had any confidence in anything he was saying yesterday: merely back peddling to keep the puppet master in play.

He'd an opportunity to at least put it semi to bed but instead came across as a bumbling arse.

Having said that, some of those reporters were lucky not to have their expensive equipment shoved certain places.

 

[bamberfishcake]

There wouldn't be the so-called trial by media if Johnson had came out, at least, semi coherent, not jittery, contradictory, quick to cut off any questions, not even really answering anything - that wasn't the hallmark of someone who had any confidence in anything he was saying yesterday: merely back peddling to keep the puppet master in play.

He'd an opportunity to at least put it semi to bed but instead came across as a bumbling arse.

Having said that, some of those reporters were lucky not to have their expensive equipment shoved certain places.

So true. No conviction or decisiveness.

Agree the media do not help at all. They are exactly like the politicians with their quarrelling, accusations and bullshit.

Edit: I should say i mean the mainstream media - the politically charged papers we all know and hate.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

Understand that a special needs child might need more support but Cummings had relatives closer
to London and its no excuse for going off on jollies and admiring bluebells, Try that on with your local police.

At the time the Castle Barnard trip happened, the change in law stated people with special needs (autism etc) could do such things. Totally within the law. This was after their isolation period ended.

People are overlooking the fact that the police have already concluded no wrongdoing with the initial journey and IF the autism rumours are true, they'll conclude the same about the Castle Barnard trip.

We'll still have the same conspiracy crackpots saying the police were lent on though.

 

[cncas2123]

At the time the Castle Barnard trip happened, the change in law stated people with special needs (autism etc) could do such things. Totally within the law. This was after their isolation period ended.

People are overlooking the fact that the police have already concluded no wrongdoing with the initial journey and IF the autism rumours are true, they'll conclude the same about the Castle Barnard trip.

We'll still have the same conspiracy crackpots saying the police were lent on though.

I haven’t fully read the guidelines on special needs children/adults but my understanding was they were in place not to disrupt the child’s routine, so would the trip to Barnard Castle be considered part of the normal routine?

 

[shadow123]

Just a load of crap ,if the police stopped 100 members of the public for doing exactly the same thing ever one
would be have been either fined or sent home with a good ear bashing,Think its down to the old boys club,
Cummings father is Lord something or other I believe,all shit in the same bucket.We deserve better.

 

[Harry_BKK]

My guess would be diet and lifestyle - Better diet and lifestyle = better immune system and healthier body and mind.

You cannot manufacture an immune system as good as mother natures.

Regarding Boris. He has truly demonstrated just how inept he is at being a leader.

I am sure he is a nice bloke but who needs 'Tim Nice But Dim' running a country....

Lifestyle, diet, hot weather, climate - who knows. SARS was ravaging through these countries, yet COVID seems less lethal in these regions.

But let me give you one more nugget to visualize how they contain the spread.

Anytime I enter a mall, I have my temperature checked and a scan of my ID (resident passes and citizen IDs are linked to your mobile number). The same process is repeated if I enter a larger store inside the mall. Once I leave, I need to scan again my ID. Now should any case/cluster appear in a mall, they can instantly trace the people who were there. Any collected data is deleted after two infections cycles (2x28 days).

Is any country in the Western World doing such a thing?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Lifestyle, diet, hot weather, climate - who knows. SARS was ravaging through these countries, yet COVID seems less lethal in these regions.

But let me give you one more nugget to visualize how they contain the spread.

Anytime I enter a mall, I have my temperature checked and a scan of my ID (resident passes and citizen IDs are linked to your mobile number). The same process is repeated if I enter a larger store inside the mall. Once I leave, I need to scan again my ID. Now should any case/cluster appear in a mall, they can instantly trace the people who were there. Any collected data is deleted after two infections cycles (2x28 days).

Is any country in the Western World doing such a thing?

Such draconian measures are necessary for the protection of people and vital for humanity in these scenarios.

Its silly to think that left or right must always be the way.

Adaptability is key.

Drastic measures, if necessary, do not need to be justified to one way liberalist thinkers until after the event when the end justifies the means and speaks for itself.

Sometimes leaders and politicians need to rule with an iron fist otherwise chaos ensues as seen many times throughout history.

Edit: What island was it that was shooting people breaking lockdown? I think you mentioned it previously @Harry_BKK a month or so ago. I wonder how their stats are.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Such draconian measures are necessary for the protection of people and vital for humanity in these scenarios.

Its silly to think that left or right must always be the way.

Adaptability is key.

Drastic measures, if necessary, do not need to be justified to one way liberalist thinkers until after the event when the end justifies the means and speaks for itself.

Sometimes leaders and politicians need to rule with an iron fist otherwise chaos ensues as seen many times throughout history.

Edit: What island was it that was shooting people breaking lockdown? I think you mentioned it previously @Harry_BKK a month or so ago. I wonder how their stats are.

Agree. It is the only way to stop a pandemic efficiently and quickly.

I venture to say that if the world would have locked down for the 2-3 weeks in February similar to Wuhan, we would have come out nearly unscathed and pretty much back to normal by now.

Instead, it seems to draw on for months and months, only making it more painful economically for all and personally for those losing someone. But then, no one was prepared to do anything draconian. I remember Mr T saying, I don't want the ship to dock as it will double our numbers. He wasn't the only one downplaying it though.

IIRC, Philippines.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Sometimes leaders and politicians need to rule with an iron fist otherwise chaos ensues as seen many times throughout history.

Edit: What island was it that was shooting people breaking lockdown? I think you mentioned it previously @Harry_BKK a month or so ago. I wonder how their stats are.

You mean this kind of leader?

 

[colinsunderland]

At the time the Castle Barnard trip happened, the change in law stated people with special needs (autism etc) could do such things. Totally within the law. This was after their isolation period ended.

People are overlooking the fact that the police have already concluded no wrongdoing with the initial journey and IF the autism rumours are true, they'll conclude the same about the Castle Barnard trip.

We'll still have the same conspiracy crackpots saying the police were lent on though.

And which mythical law did you mean earlier when you said he was allowed to travel over 250 miles when his wife was showing symptoms?
You say the police have concluded there was no wrongdoing yet the government stated the police haven't spoken to Cummings or anyone in his family. Do you have a link to the police statement saying they had investigated?

Even if he didn't actually break the law, what he and his family did, was completely irresponsible. They had symptoms and he took a 260 mile drive. At the time the press were showing people at parks and beaches, and police were fining people for driving a couple of miles to walk round a park. They were fining them under laws he helped form. Yet you think thats acceptable?

 

[cncas2123]

Picked up on this report from Reuters - Dutch Government believe theres a second case of Mink to human transfer.
I have to say I didn't realise that it had happened before, but this will maybe show how one of these viruses can mutate naturally and make the jump from animal to human.

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[snorky510238]

Compare that to how the lockdown rules are enforced here in SG.

If I get caught anywhere outside without a mask, I will lose my Long-Stay Visa, have to instantly leave SG (they give you 24hrs) and will never be allowed back into the country. Never mind the SGD10,000 fine I would have to pay.

Although strict maybe not overly effective, as you have one of the highest infection rates per capita, worldwide. Higher than America even, although your death rates are extremely low.