Casino Complaint VIP Casino

Not going to get into this in detail as its quite a complicated situation but think a few things need clarity.

Anyway you have a lot of problems in life and with health so hopefully it all works out for you.

But I noticed you said you had gamblock and everything so I am surprised you were able to play any casino.

But one thing that needs to be made clear as to getting deposits etc. returned. I saw you said you had an Intercasino account which you had permanently closed. Closing an account is totally different from self excluding. It all comes down to if you gave reasons and what they were when you CLOSED your account since it wasn't a self exclusion.

Nothing you have posted yet shows the casino was actually aware of a gambling problem at first. The gambling problem seems to have arose after you lost the money and practically begged the casino for bonuses and deposits back. That showed the casino you had a gambling problem which is why they would not reopen that account. It in no way shows the casino was aware of that problem beforehand.

They were aware of my gambling problem.

I received an email sent to me by one of their staff in error. Here it is:

Nikolas Gross <Nikolas.Gross@amaya.com>

to me, AntiFraud
Hi

Player wants to reopen his 1010 closed account. I do not want to do it without any feedback from you.

There was a 1030 Gambling problem issue.

Thank you

Nikolas Gross
Customer Support

This was sent when i asked to reopen after closing.....at this point in time the only basis they had for a gambling problem was my Intercasino account closure.

Also, gamblock was not active as i reinsalled my pc that very day in order to gamble. Betfilter is quite useless as i discovered you can get around it by simply using a VPN. I'm a disgrace.....thats how deep the problem goes. I will do anything to gamble. My mother, the only person who still believes in me, has taken control of my finances.

I passed on all claim money and debit cards etc to her.
 
They were aware of my gambling problem.

I received an email sent to me by one of their staff in error. Here it is:

Nikolas Gross <Nikolas.Gross@amaya.com>

to me, AntiFraud
Hi

Player wants to reopen his 1010 closed account. I do not want to do it without any feedback from you.

There was a 1030 Gambling problem issue.

Thank you

Nikolas Gross
Customer Support

This was sent when i asked to reopen after closing.....at this point in time the only basis they had for a gambling problem was my Intercasino account closure.

Also, gamblock was not active as i reinsalled my pc that very day in order to gamble. Betfilter is quite useless as i discovered you can get around it by simply using a VPN. I'm a disgrace.....thats how deep the problem goes. I will do anything to gamble. My mother, the only person who still believes in me, has taken control of my finances.

I passed on all claim money and debit cards etc to her.

As I said they worked out your gambling problem from the amount you deposited, your chat session in which you got frustrated after asking for money and said you would close account which they did. You then tried to reopen it which they wouldn't as if they think or know you have a gambling problem they aren't allowed to.

You still haven't said if when you closed your original Intercasino account if you told them that you had a severe gambling problem. If u=you simply asked them to close it permanently with no reason given then it makes a very big difference.
 
They were aware of my gambling problem.

I received an email sent to me by one of their staff in error. Here it is:

Nikolas Gross <Nikolas.Gross@amaya.com>

to me, AntiFraud
Hi

Player wants to reopen his 1010 closed account. I do not want to do it without any feedback from you.

There was a 1030 Gambling problem issue.

Thank you

Nikolas Gross
Customer Support

This was sent when i asked to reopen after closing.....at this point in time the only basis they had for a gambling problem was my Intercasino account closure.

Also, gamblock was not active as i reinsalled my pc that very day in order to gamble. Betfilter is quite useless as i discovered you can get around it by simply using a VPN. I'm a disgrace.....thats how deep the problem goes. I will do anything to gamble. My mother, the only person who still believes in me, has taken control of my finances.

I passed on all claim money and debit cards etc to her.

Ok, we get your problem. You deposited, lost, and now you want it back because you have a serious gambling problem and you are blind and whatever? This went from cute, to less cute to plain annoing. You lost, be a man and deal with it. Or PAB or something, just don't expect money for nothing,,,
 
Ok, we get your problem. You deposited, lost, and now you want it back because you have a serious gambling problem and you are blind and whatever? This went from cute, to less cute to plain annoing. You lost, be a man and deal with it. Or PAB or something, just don't expect money for nothing,,,

I would like to end the thread here. Please close the thread whomever has power.

Thanks everyone for your input and kind words, it is appreciated.
 
I would like to end the thread here. Please close the thread whomever has power.

Thanks everyone for your input and kind words, it is appreciated.

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I would like to end the thread here. Please close the thread whomever has power.

Thanks everyone for your input and kind words, it is appreciated.

Good luck with that one, no thread is ever closed or removed here. Believe me, I have begged for closure. The best you can do is to ask mod for change of title to "solved", but it's hardly worth the trouble. Sorry if you didn't get the respond you hoped for and hopefully you've learned something along the way, as we all do. Have a great evening.
 
Amazing to see so many posters side with the casino here, who are blatantly breaching their licensing terms. The fact is, had he won, he wouldn't have been paid and his deposits refunded - since he is self excluded at their sister casino.

A problem gambler is someone who has an illness, particularly in this case because he is taking medication that increases the likelihood of compulsive behaviour.

Posts like 'you played, you lost, be a man' are disgraceful.

The casino is clearly in breach of their licensing terms on how to deal with the issue of problem gambling. He is self-excluded at their sister casino which runs under the same license. Just like he wouldn't have been paid had he won and his deposits refunded, he should have his deposits refunded since he lost.

Casinos can't continue to take this win-win approach, where they let someone play who is a self-excluded under their license and if he loses, they ignore it and if he wins they refund them and refuse to payout their winnings.

Do you really think it's hard for them to cross-check a name between both casinos in their database for individuals who are problem gamblers and instantly forbid them from signing up? Lol...

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Amazing to see so many posters side with the casino here, who are blatantly breaching their licensing terms. The fact is, had he won, he wouldn't have been paid and his deposits refunded - since he is self excluded at their sister casino.

A problem gambler is someone who has an illness, particularly in this case because he is taking medication that increases the likelihood of compulsive behaviour.

Posts like 'you played, you lost, be a man' are disgraceful.

The casino is clearly in breach of their licensing terms on how to deal with the issue of problem gambling. He is self-excluded at their sister casino which runs under the same license. Just like he wouldn't have been paid had he won and his deposits refunded, he should have his deposits refunded since he lost.

Casinos can't continue to take this win-win approach, where they let someone play who is a self-excluded under their license and if he loses, they ignore it and if he wins they refund them and refuse to payout their winnings.

Do you really think it's hard for them to cross-check a name between both casinos in their database for individuals who are problem gamblers and instantly forbid them from signing up? Lol...

To the OP, contact UKGC
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Not everyone sided with the casino. Some just wanted clearer facts.

If you read it all again you will see that your point about self exclusion is invalid. The OP never self excluded from Intercasino. They closed there account there and from replies I am guessing that the OP never gave gambling problems as the reason for closing it.

If indeed that is in the case the casino has actually done no wrong. If a player simply closes an account as they no longer wish to play there then they can open an account again at a sister casino.

It looks like the casino only flagged the OP up as a problem gambler after they had lost and went to chat trying everything to get a bonus or deposits back and then saying they would close their account so the casino closed it.

The op then in desperation tried to reopen account and the casino would not do it as they could obviously see the OP has a gambling problem which is the casino actually acting responsibly.

When asked about what reasons the OP gave on closing their original Intercasino account years back and whether he had told hem about gambling problems the op simply stated in replies that they had closed it. When asked again they still never said if they had told the casino originally about gambling problems.

So it definitely looks like the OP had just closed their original account with no reason. It wasn't a self exclusion for gambling problems or a self exclusion at all. And if indeed this is the case then the casino has done nothing wrong so why should they pay back deposits and as he wasn't self excluded I am pretty sure the casino would have paid if he had won.

But if this is not the case then the OP should file a PAB .
 
They were aware of my gambling problem.

I received an email sent to me by one of their staff in error. Here it is:

Nikolas Gross <Nikolas.Gross@amaya.com>

to me, AntiFraud
Hi

Player wants to reopen his 1010 closed account. I do not want to do it without any feedback from you.

There was a 1030 Gambling problem issue.

Thank you

Nikolas Gross
Customer Support

This was sent when i asked to reopen after closing.....at this point in time the only basis they had for a gambling problem was my Intercasino account closure.

Also, gamblock was not active as i reinsalled my pc that very day in order to gamble. Betfilter is quite useless as i discovered you can get around it by simply using a VPN. I'm a disgrace.....thats how deep the problem goes. I will do anything to gamble. My mother, the only person who still believes in me, has taken control of my finances.

I passed on all claim money and debit cards etc to her.

Looks to me like they knew you had a gambling problem by this email. They even discussed it and used the words "gambling problem issue"


gl with your health. I hope it gets better.
 
Looks to me like they knew you had a gambling problem by this email. They even discussed it and used the words "gambling problem issue"


gl with your health. I hope it gets better.

Yes that was the email sent after they had closed his account on live chat after his losses and he tried to reopen it shortly after . It was nothing to do with the original closure years ago from Intercasino.

It shows the casino recognises he had a gambling problem from his chat session where he tried everything to get money back and said he would close account which the casino did for him. When shortly after he tried to reopen it in desperation someone was checking whether they should reopen it or not. To which they acted responsibly by not reopening it.
 
It was a self exclusion permenently from Intercasino. And it was only a few months ago, not years. That was another casino I was referring to altogether that I am excluded from years ago.
 
Hi,

I have a problem with the above mentioned casino. I will start from the beginning, and i apologise in advance for the long winded nature but i feel it is necessary.

I have a huge gambling problem. It all started 2 years ago with a single small win on 32red. The money was in my account the next day....i thought this is awesome, easy money. Prior to this i had never gambled before, not even once. I was 23 years old at the time. I slowly started to increase my bets....getting big wins which at first i would withdraw, but soon i would be spending hours playing, even at work, and always ended losing any winnings back to the casino. I simply believed that my luck would never run out and i would eventually cash out a huge sum. I'd know when to walk away i would always tell myself.

I ended up going from nearly debt free to £30k debt in 3 months. I became obsessed. My employer discovered my problem, and it ended badly there. I borrowed cash from them and was unable to pay it back. They trusted me, and i betrayed them.

I borrowed money from my mum, brothers, even stole from their bank accounts at times. They all trusted me of course before this....it was me....their brother who had a good job and was always so careful and helpful with money.

I do not wish to go into too much detail, however there is one thing i wish to explain in detail.

In 2010, i was diagnosed with a pituitary tumour, a macroprolactinoma. A huge tumour.....i was almost blind due to pressure from the tumour on my optic nerves, felt exhausted and always fatigued....had put on tremendous weight in a few years before diagnosis. I of course had been complaining of declining vision in my left eye particularly for years, and also feeling generally unwell.

The tumour destroyed my pituitary gland, so i was not getting any hormones - no thyroid, no testosterone, no cortisol. And over a few years the tumour had grown to point were as i say i was nearly blind, i had to stop driving....and no one could tell me why. I had seen around 30 specialists over 4 years and none had a clue what was wrong.

After diagnosis, i was informed that a simple blood test would have indicated a problem, and the scan that discovered the tumour would have been alot sooner. The tumour would not have grown as it did, i would have retained eyesight and would not need to take medication for the rest of my life.

This is were the story will sound ridiculous....but please bear with me.

The tumour is inoperable. It is wrapped around the main artery to the brain, and i was told surgery had a 90% fatality chance. The good news however......was that a medication can shrink these kinds of tumour.

I was over the moon of course. Glad to be alive......i was so happy. I thought i was going to die.

After starting the medication, named Cabergoline on a fairly high dosage, my vision in my right eye restored. the tumour eased off my optic nerves. However, the left eye never recovered. I am blind in one eye. I must take this medication for the rest of my life to keep the tumour in check. It will never disappear, and will continue to try and grow, but the medication can shrink it down to a non intrusive level.

This was in 2010. After all this, I managed to secure a good job, even with on eye and my condition, and managed to get back to a good, normal life. Over the next 3 years, things were great. I took my medication and kept going for scans and hormone replacement therapy.

At the start of 2013, i decided to seek legal advice. After all, 30+ specialists and years of asking why i was going blind was unreal. I felt let down.

The solicitor of course took my case on.

In march 2013, that is when i played my first bet. And as i mentioned, i could not stop. I destroyed my life in a few short months.

Why couldn't i stop? I one day looked at my side effects on the medication packaging. It is a drug with not alot of medical research....as my kind of tumour is fairly rare. The most common side effect....compulsive behavior. Shopping, binge eating, gambling.

I did like to do alot of shopping online.....my friends always remarked how much i spent and how ling i spent shopping. I used to binge eat ....would go to the local shop and buy more food than 1 person could possibly eat and sit and try and get through it.....i don't even know why. Once i discovered gambling however, the most destructive compulsive behavior in my opinion, it took hold and today in 2015 i still cannot stop.

In fact....3 weeks ago i got the money through from my claim. It included damages from my gambling, as the hospital even admitted the medication i take would not have been needed to be taken in such high doses if the tumour was discovered earlier, and therefore the side effects would not have been as pronounced and in turn i would not have my debts and worry.

Id never gambled before in my life. I do not like to blame medication for my own pathetic and idiotic actions. I of course attend GA and receive help for my addiction. No one in my family has a history of addictions. The medication must have played its part. The solicitor and also the hospital agreed. I have let everyone i care about down, it is not me...i just cannot shake the feeling of throwing money away. I have closed so many accounts, opened so many online.....self excluded, paid for betfilter, gamblock.......self excluded from all bookies, all casinos in my area.....still i find a way.

Which leads me onto VIPcasino. I had permanently closed my account with intercasino, their sister site. I was told i could not have an account due to having closed with intercasino.

In my gambling frame of mind, after receiving this large amount of cash in my account from the claim, i decided to open and deposit anyway. I desperately just wanted to play some slots....it was a horrible feeling but i simple could not help it. Over the course of a day i put around £7000 into the casino, of course on stupid bets, and lost it all.

In my disgusting mind i had to win it back....i went into live chat and begged for a bonus. I said anything i could to try and get one. I threatened to close the account hoping they would want to give me a bonus. No, they simply closed it. I was numb with shock. I then tried to reopen it a few hours later (i had put a deposit limit of £100 on it before i closed) in order again to try and ask for bonuses, to be told sorry no, you have been flagged for a gambling problem, your account will not be reopened.

I needed this money for my future. My health has declined again....i need more surgery to fix a leak on the brain were my tumour has shrunk and torn my membrane that separates my nasal pathway to the outside world. In effect i am at serious risk of meningitis, as infection can now access the brain. I will need care, and this money i need back.

I have pleaded with VIPcasino......i explained my situation. They simply declined any kind of refund. It is my own fault of course......but i was excluded from their site anyway......why should they get to profit from my misery? I have begged them to show some compassion....it pains me to explain my sad little story and drag up all my illness and history. But im left to do so and humble myself and say i am a complete fool.

I need this money back......to send to my family for safe keeping.....i have sent the remainder of my money to them. My next step is litigation......i really do not want to drag myself through it all again though. I just want to get on with my life. Something took over the day i saw a big sum of money in my account. It took me losing £7000 to see clarity and snap out of the trance.

Im sorry for the wall of text and im sorry if im wasting yours and my own time......i didnt know were else to post. If there are any gaps in my post or something that's needs clarifying i will of course try and clear it up. But that is my sad story. Please dont be too harsh....i know im an idiot. I don't expect sympathy, that i really do not want. I just feel very harshly treated by VIPcasino.

What can i do?

Not read any replies, so sorry if my post reflects that. but wow. If i worked for gamcare if have saved this for use in the future, to show just how low some people get while addicted to gambling, im not going to rant about how its your problem ect, you already know that yourself. your clutching at straws hoping by some miricle a website you found on the internet might help you get this money back, you also know that is a pipe dream.

im going to use a euphemism to sum up my thoughts on the post. Im a 24 year old man who is addicted to nicotine, i was, and am very well aware that this toxic smoke is killing me slowly, likely to aid in the ending on my life, and bring all sorts of problems down the road. Your "threat" of litigation would be the same as myself suing a tobacco company, pointless.

you admitted you had a problem with gambling years before this loss, you admit you know what self exclusion is, ect ect, and yet you gambled anyway hoping like all players to win, and you didnt. only this time it was for "real money" as in, life changing money. The fact you even MENTION an illness is so low, only someone who is seriously at the bottom would do such a thing.

I wish you the absolute best in terms of you health, and future. but i also sincerely hope you receive precisely £0 from this casino, it is not going to help you in any way at all, as much as you think it would.
 
Sorry but I am getting lost. You had said it was originally a closure now its a self exclusion.

Okay that's fine. But you lost a lot of money 2 years ago and have been awarded a claim because the medicine helped you lose the money. That's understandable. You have had help with gambling etc. and installed Gamblock and everything to help. That's great and its the right thing to do.

But if that's all true then why suddenly have you just closed your Intercasino account a couple of months ago. Why was that not closed long before that.

But now I am reading that although you have had every measure out to protect you from gambling you have closed or self excluded at Intercasino the month before you got your claim and then opened an account at their sister casino and lost the lot.

Okay If its all true and you want it sorted I think its best you stop posting anything else and file a PAB.

At top of page theirs a PAB section. Read the terms and file the PAB.

Its a completely free service and since they are accredited casinos Max the man that handles the PABS will contact the casinos on your behalf. If everything is true then you have a chance of getting money back. If its not all true it will come out.

Its your best and probably only option and costs you nothing except a few minutes of your time. So I would do the PAB now and get process started and not post anything else on subject. Good Luck.
 
It was a self exclusion permenently from Intercasino. And it was only a few months ago, not years. That was another casino I was referring to altogether that I am excluded from years ago.

Hi okay so what was the exact reason you gave for the the permanent exclusion at Intercasino ? You have still not answered this. Was the reason give due to gambling problems or not ? easy question to answer. That is what this whole thing comes down to. Although now I am getting more confused as you suddenly mention another Casino ... from years ago ?

But if you did Self exclude from Intercasino with the specific reason of gambling problems you "may" have a slim shot. If you gave no reason but just closed the account you have "ZERO" chance. And rightly so. So which was it ?
 
first things get a rep for the sister casinos to look into it and post results here it should say why the account was closed in the first place the casinos player lists should be linked and red flagged on sign up at another place in the same group unless another address email or name where used .

if you have a gambling prob its a good idea to get you bank to block certain types of transactions close all web wallets and unplug the computer go get a few books have a read and a chill.
 

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