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Looked up then why it got its Nobel prize in particular.

"William C. Campbell and Satoshi Ōmura discovered a new drug, Avermectin, the derivatives of which have radically lowered the incidence of River Blindness and Lymphatic Filariasis, as well as showing efficacy against an expanding number of other parasitic diseases."

It doesn't say "coronavirus related diseases". It clearly got its Nobel prize for different reasons.

I don't have issues at all with drugs being tested and researched for other reasons. But in this instance there's quacks all around the world selling this drug for 10-100x the price of what they paid for it, just making a quick buck because they know there's demand for it in particular circles. Meanwhile there's people and animals who need this drug and can't get it because it's sold out...
It's so sad...just produce more, the manufacturing cost per dose is pennies. It's generic, therefore india etc..can make it freely, unlike the new patented treatments which cost nearly a thousand dollars each course iirc.

Nobody said it got the prize for covid, that point was to demonstrate it's a slightly more important drug to the world of medicine than as a horse dewormer.
 
These jabs are simply GREAT!, Seriously AWESOME

Was against them at first but after serious pressure and also serious research got it done, been double jabbed for over 4 month's now, touch wood, ALL GOOD

Following my personal 'success' decided to finally make the hardest decision of my life this week and voted myself to get BOTH MY CHILDREN vaccinated, they got a little upset on the way but later said they didn't even feel their needles

Blimey, they work fast, since being jabbed they came directly home from school, got changed from their uniforms hassle free, did their homework without question, ate the tea given without the slightest moan and when I said "Right, bed time kids" I was responded to with "Ok, goodnight Dad!" instead of the usual whinge fest!
 
These jabs are simply GREAT!, Seriously AWESOME

Was against them at first but after serious pressure and also serious research got it done, been double jabbed for over 4 month's now, touch wood, ALL GOOD

Following my personal 'success' decided to finally make the hardest decision of my life this week and voted myself to get BOTH MY CHILDREN vaccinated, they got a little upset on the way but later said they didn't even feel their needles

Blimey, they work fast, since being jabbed they came directly home from school, got changed from their uniforms hassle free, did their homework without question, ate the tea given without the slightest moan and when I said "Right, bed time kids" I was responded to with "Ok, goodnight Dad!" instead of the usual whinge fest!
Then you woke up from the dream!:laugh: I did tell my co-worker that the actual jab is very quick even though you do feel it, it's the time you have to wait that sucks.
 
It's so sad...just produce more, the manufacturing cost per dose is pennies. It's generic, therefore india etc..can make it freely, unlike the new patented treatments which cost nearly a thousand dollars each course iirc.

Nobody said it got the prize for covid, that point was to demonstrate it's a slightly more important drug to the world of medicine than as a horse dewormer.
Getting a hold of Ivermectin is becoming very difficult but there are alternatives that can be found in health stores quite easily-until they too are removed from market.
Ivermectin acts like the gun that fires Zink into the cells then the Zinc does its work.
EGCg works in the same way when coupled with Zinc,vit's C and D.
 
Getting a hold of Ivermectin is becoming very difficult but there are alternatives that can be found in health stores quite easily-until they too are removed from market.
Ivermectin acts like the gun that fires Zink into the cells then the Zinc does its work.
EGCg works in the same way when coupled with Zinc,vit's C and D.
Going to buy enough vit d shortly to last till march, get some zinq lozenges as well. I don't want to end up the subject of an msm article, saying i regret listening to anti vaxxers!?

The european medical agency has now linked the AZ to guillain barre syndrome, ours hasn't despite 300 odd cases and 2 deaths. I can't see how they could ever mandate the AZ.

I'm sure many of those that died of covid, and received no therapeutic, would have liked the option of HQC or ivermectin rather than left to sit at home as the virus took hold. Absolute disgrace it was forbidden.
 
Going to buy enough vit d shortly to last till march, get some zinq lozenges as well. I don't want to end up the subject of an msm article, saying i regret listening to anti vaxxers!?

The european medical agency has now linked the AZ to guillain barre syndrome, ours hasn't despite 300 odd cases and 2 deaths. I can't see how they could ever mandate the AZ.

I'm sure many of those that died of covid, and received no therapeutic, would have liked the option of HQC or ivermectin rather than left to sit at home as the virus took hold. Absolute disgrace it was forbidden.
I bought a huge bag of Vit C powder over a year ago that I think I have used twice and I think is out of date because I've kept up with the natural sources :(
I listen to both sides and reject a lot of it. There is so much crap from both sides.This is true for me on much more than just the covid issue.
The main thing for me in posting the things to use if you contract covid is the same as I posted about the best things to take maybe 16 months ago- To encourage folk to prepare themselves.
Governments,the media, and the medical industry never have.
 
I bought a huge bag of Vit C powder over a year ago that I think I have used twice and I think is out of date because I've kept up with the natural sources :(
I listen to both sides and reject a lot of it. There is so much crap from both sides.This is true for me on much more than just the covid issue.
The main thing for me in posting the things to use if you contract covid is the same as I posted about the best things to take maybe 16 months ago- To encourage folk to prepare themselves.
Governments,the media, and the medical industry never have.
I haven't delved massively into the potential supplements for covid, natural source is probably best if you can integrate it into meals. Flu may be more prevalent this winter, out of the two flu worries me more. They're talking about making a flu jab using mRNA rather than the traditional method, it's cheaper to mass produce but is it better.
 
Oh well guess we now have to prove we are vaccinated to go to football or a nightclub.

Can be riddled with covid and attend thats fine. No vaccinated passport no entrance tho lol.

Thank you Sturgeon. Just days after your latest independence crap you made the best decision of your life. I would say any chances of gaining independence died when you proved you are nothing short of a fascist leader . Enjoy your mini dictatorship and power while it lasts. You just pissed of most of your voters especially the youth.
 
I read that she's been thinking about covid passports for a long time, surprise surprise not. The scottish labour leader, anwar or something is his name, made some good points but she just ignored them, and assumed her normal superior, holier than thou tone.
Yeah the powers going to her head.

Basically only reason she is going for them is to force younger people to get vaccine if they want a life.

See thing is i could maybe go okay have passports if it is for everything. But fact pubs etc. Do not need them and it is only for dancings and basically football matches is a farce . And you do not need to even show you do not have covid only that you have a passport is a joke. Especially when vaccinated still spread it . Would have thought negative test was more important.

But it was good to see that the green party who are totally against it voted for it as expected. Which shows basically their principles mean nothing.

And to make matters worse she has no clue on how the passport will work and has not discussed it with businesses. Look forward to seeing the shambles as they try to check 50,000 fans going to football for their passports.

But all good as for a lot of SNP voters this has actually been the wake up call what their beloved leader is actually like.

Even if only a small percentage of her voters stand by their word they will never vote for her again her dream will be dead.

Waiting to see how it all pans out as believe some are now going to finally take the legal route about what she has done.
 
I wonder how many votes the snp got during the 80's, I suppose it was new labour's creation of devolved parliaments that super charged her party to dominance, and then they can misuse the power to further their agenda. I've some Scottish lineage myself so not biased against them at all, but keep the uk united, stronger together surely. Britain is one island afterall. At what point will sturgeon ever be happy, wants to gain full independence only to then seek orders from the eu :rolleyes:
 
I haven't delved massively into the potential supplements for covid, natural source is probably best if you can integrate it into meals. Flu may be more prevalent this winter, out of the two flu worries me more. They're talking about making a flu jab using mRNA rather than the traditional method, it's cheaper to mass produce but is it better.
I think it has been criminal that so little has been spoken about preventatives and early self care. So many died needlessly due to stay at home until your lips go blue .By then for many it is too late given the hospitalization protocol's.
I also have a water purifier that could be very helpful. Just like orange man touted in his reference to drinking bleach
 
I heard the main problem with Ivermectin was that the politicians and pharma's couldnt make billions out of it.

Just from the minuscule amount of research I have read, it's much more than a dewormer.

The pharmas dont want a wonderdrug. Look at the money they make from treatments.
I must look up this Joe Rogan because he obviously upsets the narrative on getting vaccinated. It constantly amazes me that folk suck up the narrative from the media and big tech and still think it is a horse drug. One thing I do not believe from the below vid is that the Taliban is rounding up American citizens as hostages or whatever he said. At least not for now.

It is interesting to note that Fauchi was presented with recent evidence that those who have had covid already are much more unlikely to get it again without getting vaxed than those who get endless jabs stumbling and refusing to admit it was true ( I'm ignoring the fact that more conclusive evidence has appeared recently that Fauchi did fund gain of research in China but yet again it was ignored by the media)
I have been to a Rumours of Fleetwood Mac concert tonight attended by thousands and I was not asked for any covid proof's and the amount of masks could be counted on one hand-other than the staff :)
I fear that this will not last much longer. Once the mandated jab date arrives for the NHS and care workers kicks in we will need to call a taxi to hospital because even Ambulance drivers and crew will be in short supply when they lose their jobs and again your lips will have to be blue before you get admitted to have the same protocol as before. That is before you see the lack of docs,nurses and staff at the hospital you get too.
It is utter madness.

 
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Don't know what to think of this if true, perhaps the pass will be easier to bring in after a bad covid winter, whereas if he brings it in now and we have a bad winter case wise, then that undermines the 'passport' logic. Also a 50 mp tory rebellion doesn't help him, esp if labour mps get a free vote, it needs a healthy majority of hoc backing it to give it the consensus/legitimacy.

 
Don't know what to think of this if true, perhaps the pass will be easier to bring in after a bad covid winter, whereas if he brings it in now and we have a bad winter case wise, then that undermines the 'passport' logic. Also a 50 mp tory rebellion doesn't help him, esp if labour mps get a free vote, it needs a healthy majority of hoc backing it to give it the consensus/legitimacy.


So what looks like good news is actually just a set up for future bad news?
Must be exhausting being so positivie all the time.
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Its weird how being postitive does not get mentioned what with all the alternative treatments that gets suggested in here.
Maybe something to think about for all the people that are just doom and gloom about everything, you may be doing yourself a disservice.

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Don't know what to think of this if true, perhaps the pass will be easier to bring in after a bad covid winter, whereas if he brings it in now and we have a bad winter case wise, then that undermines the 'passport' logic. Also a 50 mp tory rebellion doesn't help him, esp if labour mps get a free vote, it needs a healthy majority of hoc backing it to give it the consensus/legitimacy.


Timing is everything :)
 
Its weird how being postitive does not get mentioned what with all the alternative treatments that gets suggested in here.
Maybe something to think about for all the people that are just doom and gloom about everything, you may be doing yourself a disservice.

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You wanna direct that at the msm, sage etc...delaying the domestic use passports because they were going to fall on their arse is not good news, scrapping totally yes that would be.
 
You wanna direct that at the msm, sage etc...delaying the domestic use passports because they were going to fall on their arse is not good news, scrapping totally yes that would be.
You choose to believe what you want to believe.
But if you think MSM are the only ones spreading negativity you should take another look at this thread.
 
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India has capital punishment.

India charges WHO Scientist Soumya Swaminathan for Mass Murder: The beginning of Accountability
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“That your misleading tweet on May 10, 2021, against the use of Ivermectin had the effect of the State of Tamil Nadu withdrawing Ivermectin from the protocol on May 11, 2021, just a day after the Tamil Nadu government had indicated the same for the treatment of COVID-19 patients.



Specific charges:
- running a disinformation campaign against Ivermectin
- issuing statements in social and mainstream media to wrongfully influence the public against the use of Ivermectin
-suppressing knowledge of large amounts of clinical data showing its profound effectiveness in both prevention and treatment of COVID-19.


Acting for the Indian Bar Association, Dipali Ojha said the WHO official is accused of misconduct because she used her position as a public health official to further the agenda of special interests to maintain an Emergency Use Authorization for the lucrative vaccine industry.
 
You choose to believe what you want to believe.
But if you think MSM are the only ones spreading negativity, you should take another look at this thread.
' I try to think for myself ' is a more accurate description. Countering msm narrative, which is being force fed to the public, is difficult if you tend to believe and agree with it.

I don't know what swedish media is like, whether your govts and media try to control your thinking on topics everyday, it's like a battering ram in the uk, the only way of escape is to switch it off. However you can't ignore what is going on for long.

And in fact I could post a lot more negative stuff, e.g. Vaccine injury accounts. I try to be positive regarding ivermectin and Hcq and it's sometimes met with negativity, fuelled by msm narrative believers.
 
' I try to think for myself ' is a more accurate description. Countering msm narrative, which is being force fed to the public, is difficult if you tend to believe and agree with it.

I don't know what swedish media is like, whether your govts and media try to control your thinking on topics everyday, it's like a battering ram in the uk, the only way of escape is to switch it off. However you can't ignore what is going on for long.

And in fact I could post a lot more negative stuff, e.g. Vaccine injury accounts. I try to be positive regarding ivermectin and Hcq and it's sometimes met with negativity, fuelled by msm narrative believers.
Me neither.
Its probably 'scary' stories like most news, i think that more or less always has been the case.
'Schocking' news gets more clicks/views than news saying 'eh things are not so bad' so thats what they print.

Used to read a bit more a couple years ago, but now most everything is behind a paywall and i dont feel like spending the money just to read something im probably not that interested in anyway.
The local news around here is usually pretty positive, might be because its not much happening here good or bad.

I think everyone tries to think for themselves.
Just different narratives attract different people.
 
' I try to think for myself ' is a more accurate description. Countering msm narrative, which is being force fed to the public, is difficult if you tend to believe and agree with it.

I don't know what swedish media is like, whether your govts and media try to control your thinking on topics everyday, it's like a battering ram in the uk, the only way of escape is to switch it off. However you can't ignore what is going on for long.

And in fact I could post a lot more negative stuff, e.g. Vaccine injury accounts. I try to be positive regarding ivermectin and Hcq and it's sometimes met with negativity, fuelled by msm narrative believers.

Don't agree. More like fueled by scientific research. When the most important research towards ivermectin is filled with wrong numbers and the writers plagiarised stuff it can and shall be questioned. That's not just "msm narrative".

I can't stress it enough that I've always said I'm 100% in favor of therapeutics being tested for other purposes than they were intented for but if research finds it's not suitable unless one receives upto 120x the normal human dose it's simply not safe.

If you think it's all about big pharma making quick bucks over covid... when you catch a mild to moderate case a GP will prescribe you Ventolin (made by GSK) which costs 40 cents for 200 doses and if necessary cough medicine or a nosespray which will probably set you back about the same. Is that really catering to big pharma?

I'm also fine with listening to both sides of the aisle of scientists, so to speak, but I find that both sides are just pushing their narrative most of the time. Some do it to push their inventions, like Dr. Vanden Bossche and his vaccines, and others just to be popular amongst certain groups of people.

There shouldn't be aisles of scientists tho. It's not a political thing, it's about public health.
 
Has there been any talk about Monoclonal antibodies?
Pretty sure thats what they gave Trump, and now recently Joe Rogan was talking about getting it aswell, but seems to mostly have been overlooked since he also took ivermectin (i think Trump only did the monoclonal, no ivermectin)
Maybe it doesnt fit the alternative narrative being pushed. ;)

 
Has there been any talk about Monoclonal antibodies?
Pretty sure thats what they gave Trump, and now recently Joe Rogan was talking about getting it aswell, but seems to mostly have been overlooked since he also took ivermectin (i think Trump only did the monoclonal, no ivermectin)
Maybe it doesnt fit the alternative narrative being pushed. ;)



Yes, he did get the (at that moment experimental) monoclonal antibodies treatment made by Regeneron. If I recall correctly it's now approved by the FDA and heavily used in Florida.
 
Yes, he did get the (at that moment experimental) monoclonal antibodies treatment made by Regeneron. If I recall correctly it's now approved by the FDA and heavily used in Florida.
Yeah, both Joe & Trump used a bunch of different stuff, probably not all available to the average Joe due to costs.
Joe (not the average one, the Rogan one) mentions like 10 different things he used in the video where he talks about it, but of course you will only hear ivermectin get mentioned.
Reality is maybe none of the things he took did anything at all, because the way he describes it with having 1-2 bad days and then 'bouncing back' is how it is for alot of people who dont take any of the stuff he did.
 
Don't agree. More like fueled by scientific research. When the most important research towards ivermectin is filled with wrong numbers and the writers plagiarised stuff it can and shall be questioned. That's not just "msm narrative".

I can't stress it enough that I've always said I'm 100% in favor of therapeutics being tested for other purposes than they were intented for but if research finds it's not suitable unless one receives upto 120x the normal human dose it's simply not safe.

If you think it's all about big pharma making quick bucks over covid... when you catch a mild to moderate case a GP will prescribe you Ventolin (made by GSK) which costs 40 cents for 200 doses and if necessary cough medicine or a nosespray which will probably set you back about the same. Is that really catering to big pharma?

I'm also fine with listening to both sides of the aisle of scientists, so to speak, but I find that both sides are just pushing their narrative most of the time. Some do it to push their inventions, like Dr. Vanden Bossche and his vaccines, and others just to be popular amongst certain groups of people.

There shouldn't be aisles of scientists tho. It's not a political thing, it's about public health.
One side has no financial motive, there are other things involved too regarding changes to personal choice and liberty. I could post data and info supportive of Hcq and ivermectin, however it won't change opinion that tends to agree with the msm verdict or big pharma's.

I can't put a positive spin on things that I think are wrong, decisions made last year and ones to be made soon, like passports, mandates, children at no risk from covid all getting jabbed etc...

Covid and the response to it has always had a political angle from day 1, because the normal scientific discussion was never allowed to happen, instead there has been mass censorship/smearing of voices with relevant backgrounds, scientific/health qualifications. Sage had no epidemiologists, immunologist or virologists afaik,
 
Seems most of the people promoting hydroxychloroquine has stopped talking about it.
Is it because these major news outlets are being censored? Or did the science catch up with them and they know they cant get away with lying about it anynmore?
If ivermectin does not turn out to be the miracle people are hoping for im sure we will see another alternative 'miracle' drug appear as the new messiah the same way ivermectin replaced hydroxychloroquine.






Edit: The ivermectin trial mentioned at the end of the video:
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Boris's ex bit of fluff knows the score.
 
The uk trials of Hcq involved giving hospitalized patients massive doses, it was too late and toxic in that quantity. Afaik the ivermectin trial will also focus on late treatment, so guaranteed to fail.
"PRINCIPLE is investigating treatments for people at more risk of serious illness from COVID-19 which can speed up recovery, reduce the severity of symptoms and prevent the need for hospital admission. The study has so far recruited more than 5,000 volunteers from across the UK."

Doesnt sound like late treatment to me, sounds like the opposite.
But i guess its easier to say now that the study is set up to fail, so if it does fail, its all just part of the big evil plan and not a legit trial.
 
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Boris's ex bit of fluff knows the score.
I was wondering briefly today, that whatever happened between them, whether there were some cosy £ grants given or not, the powers that be/establishment might be using that to blackmail boris, he was dead opposed to ID cards before, and believed in personal freedom, choice etc...
 
"PRINCIPLE is investigating treatments for people at more risk of serious illness from COVID-19 which can speed up recovery, reduce the severity of symptoms and prevent the need for hospital admission. The study has so far recruited more than 5,000 volunteers from across the UK."

Doesnt sound like late treatment to me, sounds like the opposite.
But i guess its easier to say now that the study is set up to fail, so if it does fail, its all just part of the big evil plan and not a legit trial.
Does it not say something abt being open to patients 'up to 14 days from test or diagnosis', I read that somewhere a while back.
 
Does it not say something abt being open to patients 'up to 14 days from test or diagnosis', I read that somewhere a while back.
" People aged 18 to 64 with certain underlying health conditions or shortness of breath from COVID-19, or aged over 65, are eligible to join the trial within the first 14 days of experiencing COVID-19 symptoms or receiving a positive test."

Are you saying that is too late?
You cant really get it earlier than 1 day into symptoms right? Or do you assume they will only use people that have gone 14 days with symptoms in the study?
Since the trial is to see if ivermectin is any good at reducing severity of symptoms and reducing hospital admissions i doubt they will do that.

Guess we will see what happens, just seems a bit negative to condemn the study as set up to fail before it has even taken place.
Theres no shortage of failed and or discredited ivermectin studies out there, so i dont see why anyone would produce another one on purpose.
 
" People aged 18 to 64 with certain underlying health conditions or shortness of breath from COVID-19, or aged over 65, are eligible to join the trial within the first 14 days of experiencing COVID-19 symptoms or receiving a positive test."

Are you saying that is too late?
You cant really get it earlier than 1 day into symptoms right? Or do you assume they will only use people that have gone 14 days with symptoms in the study?
Since the trial is to see if ivermectin is any good at reducing severity of symptoms and reducing hospital admissions i doubt they will do that.

Guess we will see what happens, just seems a bit negative to condemn the study as set up to fail before it has even taken place.
Theres no shortage of failed and or discredited ivermectin studies out there, so i dont see why anyone would produce another one on purpose.
I think on the day you have symtoms [noticeable to yourself] and can see the doc, or positive test result, I think on average they take 3 days. So my thinking would be ideally 5-7 days max.

If they want to do a late trial as well fine, but keep the two separate. I think it's asking a bit much for ivermectin to be effective in a 65+yr old, whose had symtoms for 10 days or more already, the longer the virus has to replicate and take hold the harder it is to treat it.

Edit: If i can see the flaw, what the 'f' is oxford university up to, they've had over a year to do this trial, people have died that could well have been saved. I call that damned evil.
 
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I think on the day you have symtoms [noticeable to yourself] and can see the doc, or positive test result, I think on average they take 3 days. So my thinking would be ideally 5-7 days max.

If they want to do a late trial as well fine, but keep the two separate. I think it's asking a bit much for ivermectin to be effective in a 65+yr old, whose had symtoms for 10 days or more already, the longer the virus has to replicate and take hold the harder it is to treat it.
Will probably be a pretty wide range of data pouring in, differing in age, time infected before getting ivermectine etc.
Is there a point to split the study?
Its not like the data would change, if ivermectin is effective when used early this study would still show that, just that it would also show how its not effective when administered later on, if thats the case.
14 days does seem a bit too long to check how it can reduce early symptoms and hospitalisations, but hopefully most will report in to the study within the first week of getting it since most will notice symptoms the first week.

I think 3-5 days of being infected is pretty normal before you start to notice symptoms. (think incubation can be up to two weeks)
 
Will probably be a pretty wide range of data pouring in, differing in age, time infected before getting ivermectine etc.
Is there a point to split the study?
Its not like the data would change, if ivermectin is effective when used early this study would still show that, just that it would also show how its not effective when administered later on, if thats the case.
14 days does seem a bit too long to check how it can reduce early symptoms and hospitalisations, but hopefully most will report in to the study within the first week of getting it since most will notice symptoms the first week.

I think 3-5 days of being infected is pretty normal before you start to notice symptoms. (think incubation can be up to two weeks)
Yes, don't mix up the results, where the late treatment could skew the conclusion to 'not effective', with big msm headlines, the point about timing of treatment will be lost. You've already demonstrated a willingness to argue away this relevant point, if you don't mind me saying. The whole thing is turning into a game, just like trump and the culture wars.

I'm getting too old for it and going to retire, brexit and covid is too much. I'm going to adopt a PMA, or try to, and think about other things. I may be back in here [this thread] but hopefully be a while till then. :cool:

Edit: If my cooking improved by 200% I'd ressurect a cooking with playford type thread, but it's too bad for photographic display ?
 
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Yes, don't mix up the results, where the late treatment could skew the conclusion to 'not effective', with big msm headlines, the point about timing of treatment will be lost. You've already demonstrated a willingness to argue away this relevant point, if you don't mind me saying. The whole thing is turning into a game, just like trump and the culture wars.

I'm getting too old for it and going to retire, brexit and covid is too much. I'm going to adopt a PMA, or try to, and think about other things. I may be back in here [this thread] but hopefully be a while till then.
I just prefer seeing the whole picture instead of cherrypicking data just because it happens to support ivermectin.
More data is better imo, not worse, atleast if you want to know the strengths and shortcomings of a drug/medicine.

First i was a bit unsure which abbreviation you were talking about (PMA) but luckily i solved it.
Everyone should have atleast one.
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Just back from Spain again after 4 visits in the last 15 months, no 8 month outdoor sports tennis, golf ban, no hairdressers closed etc....1 first strict lockdown but have got on with life ever since.

Future lockdowns made illegal by the courts, rightly so....oh and they don't have a daily islam invasion even though Africa a stones throw over the water.

What a pathetic joke this country is.
 

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