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I think you have to be Italian to turn into a Ferrari.
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My best friend's youngest has tested positive for Covid and his wife is running a temp of 39 and showing other symptoms, whilst awaiting the results of the PCR test. Thankfully my friend and his eldest so far have tested negative.
Based on the explosion in daily positive results, expect the UK to be locked down again come September.
Based on the explosion in daily positive results, expect the UK to be locked down again come September.
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I find it quite telling that people with very good credentials that were previously of excellent character and standing and were never cancelled or suppressed for decades over anything else are all with met with the same response, cancelled and labelled as spreading misinformation without and debate or investigation into their claims, because they question the narrative.
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Dont think that aired over here, atleast i have not seen it before.
Poor guy does not look happy mid transformation.
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The next month should be quite interesting, not sure the UK should be thinking about scrapping virtually all restrictions at
at time when infections are on the rise again and as most of the cases seem to be younger people (who are more likely to mix),
I would have tended to wait until most of them have been vaccinated.
Think there is a bit of herd immunity experimentation afoot.I know we have got to drop restrictions at some stage, just hope
they have thought it through
at time when infections are on the rise again and as most of the cases seem to be younger people (who are more likely to mix),
I would have tended to wait until most of them have been vaccinated.
Think there is a bit of herd immunity experimentation afoot.I know we have got to drop restrictions at some stage, just hope
they have thought it through
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Unaffordable, the money has run out and borrowing is now at its limits.
This virus, does not warrant the extreme measures we have seen over the last 16 months, especially as it has been proven they dont work, and if anything make things worse.
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No one under 40 should even think about having this vax.
They are at almost zero risk from covid, these experimental vax, who knows.
You dont need a vaccine for a virus that you have a 99.999% chance of survival from, even the safest vaccines would increase your risk of death overall, this new mRNA one will increase it by a multiple of that
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Yip, lockdowns make it all worse, it wasnt a lockdown that made the deaths drop from 1,000 per day to single figures, it was pure luck....
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What a sad fucking troll you are. You have spent the last year flapping your gums about how there shouldn't be any restrictions, now that they are being lifted SOLELY because the uptake in the vaccine is so high, now you are moaning about that.
Never mind that most the people in hospital are unvaccinated, and those that are vaccinated are spending less time in there than they have at any point before the vaccination program was started. Also, the percentage of under 30's in hospital from everyone in there is higher now than at any other point. But yeah, no one should have it if they are under 40.
If the unvaccinated start causing the NHS to be put under too much strain again, or the deaths get high, and we end up in lockdown again, I guarantee you will start posting about how unfair it is again.
All you do is post death figures, wonder why you don't post anything about people who are ill, who have long covid, etc? Is that because the risk is actually much higher than you keep suggesting. Death isn't the only problem covid causes, but you conveniently overlook that fact.
And as for bringing Sweden up again, what a tool.
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Thanks for clearing that up, obviously you are a doctor at the top of your profession to know all this, you certainly know more than 99.9% of virologists....
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Do you not know he is the best? Anything the government does, anything SAGE recommend, anything any doctor giving advice to the government says is always rubbish and he knows better. On the rare occasion he backs up his statements with any 'evidence', it's always from some loon on youtube or twitter who is saying what he wants to hear.
When he's not sure about something, he just tells lies and runs away when he's called out on them.
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Get a room you too lol
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The truth is a beautiful thing mate, and will be more and more obvious over the coming months.
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Under 30s hospitalised last week 3 people per 100,000 ie statistically zero. Deaths, 10 in a week out of 67,000,000 ie statistically zero.
No matter how much you want covid to be seriously affecting the young, its less deadly that road accidents for them mate.
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Not sure what that has to do with what I said, and the chart doesn't show under 30's, but clearly shows there are more under 25's hospitalised than any of the other age groups up to 75+.
Infections in the under 25's is MASSIVELY higher than any other group.
Again, all you have done is cry about the restrictions, and now you are crying about vaccinations, the one thing that has allowed things to open up again, and most restrictions to be lifted over the past couple of months.
The data you have shown above clearly shows that if restrictions are re-introduced, then that is down to the people who are getting infected, which is the under 30's. They are more prone to catching it as not as many are vaccinated. But yeah, you keep spreading your misinformation so you have something else to start bawling about in a few months when restrictions are back.
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phase 3 here tomorrow
Not open open but several bans lifted...inside dining, events-, fuller but limited capacity etc
Not open open but several bans lifted...inside dining, events-, fuller but limited capacity etc
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I know the whole 'with covid' / 'from covid' thing has been covered many times, but I'm at a loss as to why, after all this time, and all the money and science thrown at this, we still aren't separating them out for reporting purposes.
I worry that we are going to be locked up again for Winter once the normal, seasonal respiratory viruses (+covid) get properly up and running again, and the schools reopen. The Govt. talks "personal responsibility" (great) but I don't get the feeling that it will take much pressure for them to bottle it yet again. For some reason, people aren't allowed to die from Covid in the same way as it's accepted that other diseases claim lives. In that scenario. where on earth do we go from there?
I worry that we are going to be locked up again for Winter once the normal, seasonal respiratory viruses (+covid) get properly up and running again, and the schools reopen. The Govt. talks "personal responsibility" (great) but I don't get the feeling that it will take much pressure for them to bottle it yet again. For some reason, people aren't allowed to die from Covid in the same way as it's accepted that other diseases claim lives. In that scenario. where on earth do we go from there?
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Remembering this scientist's warnings, sage seem to echo his point in their minutes from july meeting
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9. There are four major risks associated with high numbers of infections. These are an increase in hospitalisations and deaths, more ‘Long-COVID’; workforce absences (including in the NHS); and the increased risk of new variants emerging. The combination of high prevalence and high levels of vaccination creates the conditions in which an immune escape variant is most likely to emerge. The likelihood of this happening is unknown, but such a variant would present a significant risk both in the UK and internationally.
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The efficacy of a drug being promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19 is in serious doubt after a major study suggesting the treatment is effective against the virus was withdrawn due to “ethical concerns”.
A medical student in London, Jack Lawrence,
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, leading to the retraction. He first became aware of the Elgazzar preprint when it was assigned to him by one of his lecturers for an assignment that formed part of his master’s degree. He found the introduction section of the paper appeared to have been almost entirely plagiarised.?
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No surprise ivermectin will not get a fair hearing, otherwise the logic for mandated vaccines and passes is severely dented, must be some big ethical concern considering the lack of ethics with experimental gene jabs being rushed out and lockdowns shutting the healthy indoors for months etc..
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How does it look in other countries?
If this is true, it seems the vaccines are doing a good job of keeping people out of hospitals.
"Los Angeles County is seeing a surge in new Covid-19 coronavirus cases, topping 1,000 for the fifth straight day Wednesday, and though hospitalizations remain low, each infected patient admitted to a county hospital has not had all their vaccine shots, officials said."
If this is true, it seems the vaccines are doing a good job of keeping people out of hospitals.
"Los Angeles County is seeing a surge in new Covid-19 coronavirus cases, topping 1,000 for the fifth straight day Wednesday, and though hospitalizations remain low, each infected patient admitted to a county hospital has not had all their vaccine shots, officials said."
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Giving it a fair hearing is peer reviewing it. The presentation of the study already started with plagiarising the intro... and according to the article the numbers weren't correct too. What is according to you giving it a fair hearing?
Students that plagiarise get suspended or worse and scientists get fired for that.
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The leading countries haven't exactly been busting a gut to see if it works, despite it being seen as a potential treatment april 2020, it's not just right wing people promoting it either. Why would anyone waste their time promoting an ineffective generic med in the circumstances, where's the personal gain, but flip that around onto big pharma and the govts, and they have a lot to gain from the outcomes of trials and studies.
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Considering the manufacturers stated it wouldn't work as a treatment for covid, I would think if various governments had spent millions testing it to find out it didn't work, they would have been hauled over the coals.
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Fun fact!
More people die each day as a result of hunger than from any other existing virus in media, that poses a threat to humanity.
What is the virus's name?
If you get the correct answer, I'll give you 1000 * 0.2 free spins to use at any casino you want.
P.S. Conduct some research on the inventor of the PCR test. Yes, there is a genuine, not photoshoped video interview with him! Or fact checkers said its lie, its scam? If there is anything that is false news as number one false, it is the work of so-called factcheckers.
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This particular study was a huge part of 2 meta-analyses of Ivermectin for treating Covid, which is why it was being reviewed thoroughly and alot of statistical and clerical mistakes were found. All of this is in the article.
The fact that the leading scientist Dr. Elgazzar and the university he works at don't even comment speaks volumes imo.
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Any link to these statements?
Ivermectin is generic, a pharmaceutical producer of generic meds has no say in the off the shelf usage afaik, just the same as manufacturers of aspirin won't have any say in what research takes place on aspirin's effects and benefits. And the conclusions therof.
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It is a basic scientific biology fact that is taught in middle school that new virus variants (whatever virus) are always weaker in 99% cases.
But mass-media science wins every time! Fact check it heretics. ^^
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It's easy to set something up to fail, that's one consideration, in order to discredit something. The fact that this egyptian study is often cited [we're in july 2021] speaks volumes to me, where are all the 1st world studies? [either way, pro or against]
There is something odd about 'progressives' [the guardian and in here] revelling in trying to discredit a potential treatment, which also has a well proven safety record over decades unlike the gene vaxxes they wet themselves over.
Edit. I'm not pointing that at you SIS as i know you've said previously you hope there will be additional treatments. I think i'll go back to having a break from covid discussions, leave it to the scientists and hope truth prevails.
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Rationale reasoning, empiric reasoning, logic - has been removed from the minds of today's humanity, even though they have it all in one click today...
It's more difficult to believe that you've made a mistake, than it is to admit that you're wrong. But, as an individual, that is their problem, not mine. I don't feel stupid right now, but they will in the future.
"There is something odd about 'progressives' [the guardian and in here] revelling in trying to discredit a potential treatment, which also has a well proven safety record over decades unlike the gene vaxxes they wet themselves over." +1
Watch and listen to a massive number of interviews with big names in virusology that were conducted at the beginning of the year 2020.
So that's time before the media and politicians become doctors and virologists. (GOOGLE IT, make the minimum effort and form your own opinion people)
Rationale reasoning, empiric reasoning, logic - has been removed from the minds of today's humanity, even though they have it all in one click today...
It's more difficult to believe that you've made a mistake, than it is to admit that you're wrong. But, as an individual, that is their problem, not mine. I don't feel stupid right now, but they will in the future.
"There is something odd about 'progressives' [the guardian and in here] revelling in trying to discredit a potential treatment, which also has a well proven safety record over decades unlike the gene vaxxes they wet themselves over." +1
Watch and listen to a massive number of interviews with big names in virusology that were conducted at the beginning of the year 2020.
So that's time before the media and politicians become doctors and virologists. (GOOGLE IT, make the minimum effort and form your own opinion people)
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I think the progressives and big pharma will have to rewrite the textbooks and training manuals, consign the natural immune system to history, it's now incapable of fighting a respiratory virus without gene jabs for all.
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Yep, an i must repeat: its virus family known around 60+ years, the corona virus family and their kids. How long has our natural immune system kept us alive as humanity, for +50000 years or more?
And progressives must be writen like this: "progressives"
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If you have a few hours to search for it, I did link to it when the thread troll was banging on about it last year.
More recently though
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Company scientists continue to carefully examine the findings of all available and emerging studies of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 for evidence of efficacy and safety. It is important to note that, to-date, our analysis has identified:
No scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against COVID-19 from pre-clinical studies;
No meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with COVID-19 disease, and;
A concerning lack of safety data in the majority of studies.
We do not believe that the data available support the safety and efficacy of ivermectin beyond the doses and populations indicated in the regulatory agency-approved prescribing information.
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possible financial conflict of interest? [ I assume they are a manufacturer of a branded ivermectin product as it's a generic now]
Merck Announces Supply Agreement with U.S. Government for Molnupiravir, an Investigational Oral Antiviral Candidate for Treatment of Mild to Moderate COVID-19
June 9, 2021 6:45 am ET
U.S. government commits to purchase approximately 1.7 million courses of Molnupiravir upon issuance of Emergency Use Authorization or approval by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration
Merck today announced it has entered into a procurement agreement with the United States government for molnupiravir (MK-4482). Molnupiravir is currently being evaluated in a Phase 3 clinical trial, the MOVe-OUT study, for the treatment of non-hospitalized patients with laboratory-confirmed COVID-19 and at least one risk factor associated with poor disease outcomes.
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We show that there is overwhelming evidence to support a causal link between ivermectin, Covid-19 severity and mortality, and: i) for severe Covid-19 there is a 90.7% probability the risk ratio favours ivermectin; ii) for mild/moderate Covid-19 there is an 84.1% probability the risk ratio favours ivermectin. Also, from the Bayesian meta-analysis for patients with severe Covid-19, the mean probability of death without ivermectin treatment is 22.9%, whilst with the application of ivermectin treatment it is 11.7%.
These two professors are from the queen mary university of london, with over 500 publications between them, so not two guys from down the pub!
Tess lawrie has also put her reputation on the line backing the drug "Conclusions Moderate-certainty evidence finds that large reductions in covid-19 deaths are possible using ivermectin. Employing ivermectin early in the clinical course may reduce numbers progressing to severe disease. The apparent safety and low cost suggest that ivermectin is likely to have a significant impact on the SARS-CoV-2 pandemic globally.
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Maybe they're all wrong but it can't be argued they have any financial gain tied up with their conclusions, and 'conflict of interest' is a big part of drug studies and trials.
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Or possibly they are telling the truth?
Does the EMA have a covid cure they want to sell?
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The 75% reduction in deaths figure is taken specifically from analysing mortality data from six randomised control trials using Ivermectin. There were 14 deaths among the 650 people given the drug compared with 57 deaths out of 597 people who did not receive it.
However, the authors noted that many of the trials were small, not peer-reviewed and used other treatments in addition to Ivermectin. The studies did not always conceal who was having treatment and who was having placebo (which leaves room for bias), and Ivermectin was tested on a mixture of severe and mild cases of Covid-19. They also commented that there were wide variations in standards of care, doses of medication used, and durations of treatment. The authors also noted the potential for publication bias (because often only successful trials will be published or more broadly circulated) skewing the larger review.
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They don't show that at all from what I read, although it's after midnight and couldn't be bothered with it all properly, got to this and gave up. I might come back to it if I have time during the week though
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But, regardless of that, can I just sum up what you are saying, you are objecting to an 'experimental' vaccine (don't know why people keep calling it that, it's been through all the same tests as any other one new to the market), and would prefer people use an experimental drug, in much higher doses than considered safe for human consumption, which almost everyone, including it's makers, have said there is no evidence of working?
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I would rather the trials were conducted in top hospitals so they have all the resources to do everything by the letter, no shortcuts and the accuracy of results is likely more reliable. A hospital in egypt could still run a trial but there will likely be more problems and things to pick holes in.
It's quite feasible EMA are influenced by big pharma and their member countries govts, there is no profit in ivermectin, and the authorities want mass vaccination and vaccine passes, just look at france.
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Have these vaccines had the usual animal testing?
I am not objecting to consenting adults choosing to have one of the vaxxes, I object to coercion to have it, or the govt requiring people to have it otherwise they're freedoms are blocked.
I don't think you have to understand the complicated equations, it's way way beyond my understanding, but these are credible professionals, experts in their fields.
edit: If ivermectin has been available over the counter previously, I don't see why adults cannot have the option of purchasing it to use against covid, or if their gp is in agreement a prescription. Atm as far as I know there are no early treatment therapeutics for covid, the nhs advice is rest at home, take paracetemol but if you worsen go to hospital. By then it might be too late or they have to go into the icu and receive oxygen.
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Given the choice of receiving a covid vax, or being infected with covid, I would choose covid all day long.
A 1 / 50000 chance of death, compared to the vax which several silenced experts say is a 1 / 5 or worse chance of death within 5 years.
Each to their own, and any vax passports, bring them on, us Brits will burn down places that require them, whether vaxxed or not.
The US is always behind the curve, and looks to us Brits to save the world time and time again.
A 1 / 50000 chance of death, compared to the vax which several silenced experts say is a 1 / 5 or worse chance of death within 5 years.
Each to their own, and any vax passports, bring them on, us Brits will burn down places that require them, whether vaxxed or not.
The US is always behind the curve, and looks to us Brits to save the world time and time again.
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I'm far from a medical expert but I think that corticosteroids could help with milder infections. They're given to people with allergies, asthma and COPD (I have Triamcinolone for severe allergies) amongst other inflammatory illnesses so they should help with the symptoms atleast. However you shouldn't want to take these, the side effects can be shitty (literally
).Dexamethasone is being used when admitted to hospital and in need of oxygen or on a vent.
Anyway, large scale trials are still underway for Ivermectin. I'm pretty sure scientists actually had their hopes set on the Egyptian study to be good and sadly it seems it's not. You can't just make up numbers and hope to get away with it...
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Elderly/vulnerable people with less of an innate immune system do have a tougher, restricted choice, probably the vax defence is better than nothing, but also why I'm in favour of the therapeutic meds/protocols that have been censored, not everyone will mount an effective immune response to a vaccine so they'd have a second option. Possibly also why the more severe vax reactions are in the younger age groups [statistically] a strong immune system will react more.
It shouldn't be russian roulette [regardless of the number of chambers] if your freedoms are being held in check, and if they roll it out to 12+yr olds there will likely be some deaths that would not have occurred from catching covid, I don't think that is a fair medical risk, they'd just be youngsters having the choice made for them.
It shouldn't be russian roulette [regardless of the number of chambers] if your freedoms are being held in check, and if they roll it out to 12+yr olds there will likely be some deaths that would not have occurred from catching covid, I don't think that is a fair medical risk, they'd just be youngsters having the choice made for them.
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I'm far from a medical expert but I think that corticosteroids could help with milder infections. They're given to people with allergies, asthma and COPD (I have Triamcinolone for severe allergies) amongst other inflammatory illnesses so they should help with the symptoms atleast. However you shouldn't want to take these, the side effects can be shitty (literally
Dexamethasone is being used when admitted to hospital and in need of oxygen or on a vent.
Anyway, large scale trials are still underway for Ivermectin. I'm pretty sure scientists actually had their hopes set on the Egyptian study to be good and sadly it seems it's not. You can't just make up numbers and hope to get away with it...
I did hear or read that there was one steroid that was particularly good for patients with lots of inflammation caused by the covid, but it was being censored, I wish I could remember the name but I might see it again. The other aspect is with steroids is they do suppress your immune system, so I don't think they like to use them early when your body is trying to mount an immune response to the virus. That's when ivermectin, zinc etc..could be used imo.
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