Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[Gaz237]

I am not sure why you questioned it like so?
Are you too lazy to simply do a basic search that needs zero digging?

I apologise.

This thread tends to have a lot of hit and run posts.

But you are not one of those.

 

[Borgie]

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[dunover]

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And this why the UK should be very strict, despite the apparent success of the vaccination programme, regarding overseas travel and incoming tourism this summer.

 

[geordiecolin]

I apologise.

This thread tends to have a lot of hit and run posts.

But you are not one of those.

No bother Gaz

 

[geordiecolin]

I do wonder if the larger profit making vaccine companies have something to do with all these stories coming out about the AZ one or if there are actually problems with it.

Ot maybe these halts are deliberately designed to reassure the public that they are rigorously tested throughout the process?

I can not fathom who would put their child forward to be a guinea pig unless they have a child spare?

 

[colinsunderland]

Ot maybe these halts are deliberately designed to reassure the public that they are rigorously tested throughout the process?

I can not fathom who would put their child forward to be a guinea pig unless they have a child spare?

Well if that were the case then surely the others would be going through the same. Just seems strange that the only concerns are around the one vaccine that the big pharma companies aren't making any money from.

I can't either, I certainly wouldn't be letting any child of mine take part!

 

[geordiecolin]

Well if that were the case then surely the others would be going through the same. Just seems strange that the only concerns are around the one vaccine that the big pharma companies aren't making any money from.

I can't either, I certainly wouldn't be letting any child of mine take part!

I recall that AZ said that they would never do a non profit like this again. Your probably right about the dirty tricks.

 

[dionysus]

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[Steviedoo]

I do wonder if the larger profit making vaccine companies have something to do with all these stories coming out about the AZ one or if there are actually problems with it.

A doctor friend says the Astra Zeneca costs $4.

the Pfizer costs $40.

 

[dealer wins]

And this why the UK should be very strict, despite the apparent success of the vaccination programme, regarding overseas travel and incoming tourism this summer.

We have 8000 tourists arriving a day, even during a lockdown. I shit you not.

This whole thing is complete bollocks! This Nazi government have ben taking the piss out of us, since 23rd March 2020.

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[dealer wins]

Ot maybe these halts are deliberately designed to reassure the public that they are rigorously tested throughout the process?

I can not fathom who would put their child forward to be a guinea pig unless they have a child spare?

4 children have died from covid in the UK out of 15 million.

Anyone letting their children have a vaccine with a 1/300 chance of a serious adverse event, coupled with no long term studies, is immoral. Any medical professional giving a covid vaccine to a child is guilty of breaking their oath.

 

[geordiecolin]

4 children have died from covid in the UK out of 15 million.

Anyone letting their children have a vaccine with a 1/300 chance of a serious adverse event, coupled with no long term studies, is immoral. Any medical professional giving a covid vaccine to a child is guilty of breaking their oath.

I suspect that there will be a massive kick back if they try to enforce the vaccine on children. Couple that with all of those below 30 who have no intention of getting the vaccine I can see riots on the streets. A Derek Chauvin possible acquittal could actually make folk want to stay home!

 

[colinsunderland]

4 children have died from covid in the UK out of 15 million.

Anyone letting their children have a vaccine with a 1/300 chance of a serious adverse event, coupled with no long term studies, is immoral. Any medical professional giving a covid vaccine to a child is guilty of breaking their oath.

Where are you getting that figure from? I haven't seen any figures that come close to that number.

 

[dealer wins]

My apologies, I was looking at Dec figures. Its actually 8 children that have died with covid who has no other serious health issues.



There is no way any medical professional should be recommending children get a covid vaccine. It would break their hippocratic oath right there.

 

[colinsunderland]

My apologies, I was looking at Dec figures. Its actually 8 children that have died with covid who has no other serious health issues.

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There is no way any medical professional should be recommending children get a covid vaccine. It would break their hippocratic oath right there.

I meant the vaccine figures?

 

[geordiecolin]

My facebook reminded me of a post I made for fun in there this time last year ( I never bothered with using the dating site )


Finally finished it!
My dating site profile April/2020
Username : Covid-19.col
Unfortunately I am not 19 but I hope the dating site algorithm confuses my username and throws me in that age group

Occupation : Respiratory Theropist- Cute enough to take your breath away,Smart enough to bring it back

Relationship status: Made dinner for two,ate both.
Seeking: Seeking a relationship with Covid-19 because given past experience it will soon feck off!
Does: Laugh at yourself or I probably will
Don'ts: Believe the rumours that no one is interested in me or that I make it difficult for someone to love me-Its the lockdown

Enjoys: People sniffing
Interesting thing I have noticed: Covid spelt backwards is DIVOC. I will leave it for you to fill in the blanks
What I have recently learnt: I have no reason to get stressed over a few weeks of lockdown. My ex controlled everything for bloody years anyhoo

Expressions of love: Sense of smell is often sited as a symptom of Covid-19. If I fart and shove your head under the sheets I am only performing a health check.
I also withold the right to inform your kids of this method.
Hopes for the future: I hope that some fecker will invent a see through toaster before the end of the lockdown!
Surprising effect of this virus: I've washed my hands so often that I can now grate cheese on the back of my hands.
First date: Quarantine and chill night watching a box set simulatiously
What I can promise to begin with: The safest sex that you will never have.
You need to: Live local so I can send you wine via drone as well as home made drop scones
My unusual tollerances: I have a short term tollerance to unshaved legs and uncut hair
My top tip: Change your Netfix password in order to cut of your ex's supply during this awful lockdown
Wishes for my loved ones? To really piss of one of my girls so that she carries out her threat in knocking me into next year.
Col

 

[geordiecolin]

By that same token if you add:
1. The amount of folk in the uk that has had the vaccine
2 Those who have already had confirmed covid.
3 Those that had it but where told in the early months not to attend hospital or the Dr unless they where struggling to the extreme
4 Plus the estimated at least 5 times that amount that have already had covid but who did not report having it due to either not being unwell enough to bother and those who had it but did not even know it.

I think it is time for us to open up fully without masks unless you are needing to employ such measures where your in a position where you need to protect the vulnerable.

I think that my concert next month that was rearranged from last year should go ahead without restrictions or covid passports.

Just to add to these figures above is this.

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Is there anyone not agreeing that it is time for a full open debate among all sides of medical opinion?

 

[geordiecolin]

And there is this which makes me wonder again why I should take the vaccine

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[colinsunderland]

Just to add to these figures above is this.

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Is there anyone not agreeing that it is time for a full open debate among all sides of medical opinion?

To debate what?

And there is this which makes me wonder again why I should take the vaccine

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It's never been claimed the vaccines 100% stop you catching it has it? Just that it will stop you getting bad symptoms or ending up on ICU or in a grave.

 

[mack341]

The govt press conferences are a waste of time, with whitty and valance present, they should be facing questions from doctors and scientists not lamebrain msm hacks with as much bite as a toothless turtle.

 

[geordiecolin]

The govt press conferences are a waste of time, with whitty and valance present, they should be facing questions from doctors and scientists not lamebrain msm hacks with as much bite as a toothless turtle.

It is the same around the world Mack mate.
The most objective president of a Country who had the lowest death rate in the world was reported to have died of covid. 22 people and he was supposed to have been the 23rd in some reports

 

[Kroffe]

toothless turtle.

I dont think turtles have teeth to begin with. (unless we are talking Teenage mutant ninja ones)

Does not stop their mouths from looking a bit scary tho. =)

"Leatherback sea turtles might not have a set of teeth but they have esophagus filled with hundreds of sharp spines called papillae"

 

[mack341]

It is the same around the world Mack mate.
The most objective president of a Country who had the lowest death rate in the world was reported to have died of covid. 22 people and he was supposed to have been the 23rd in some reports

was that the african country where now his replacement, lo and behold, has reversed the former/dead president's covid sceptical policies?

 

[mack341]

I dont think turtles have teeth to begin with. (unless we are talking Teenage mutant ninja ones)

Does not stop their mouths from looking a bit scary tho. =)

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"Leatherback sea turtles might not have a set of teeth but they have esophagus filled with hundreds of sharp spines called papillae"

Those snapping turtles are brutal buggers too, that pic above reminds me of the predator's mouth

 

[dealer wins]

We are gamblers here. Why would you risk an experimental vaccine if you are under 50, when your chance of dying from covid is 1 in 5000, or under age 30 at lottery odds of dying.

Come on, any Dr or medical practitioner recommending this vaccine is breaking their hippocratic oath and should be struck off.

And as for coming after our children, FUCK OFF!!!!!

 

[slotplayer]

Hard to get a vaccine near by here, maybe it will turnout to be a good thing in the long run?

There is a community health center right across the street but they suspended vaccines until further notice. They would not say why , hmmm

This is just the CVS retail pharmacy locations, all booked solid and Phase 3 starts on the 19th, which is everybody for the most part.

 

[colinsunderland]

We are gamblers here. Why would you risk an experimental vaccine if you are under 50, when your chance of dying from covid is 1 in 5000, or under age 30 at lottery odds of dying.

Come on, any Dr or medical practitioner recommending this vaccine is breaking their hippocratic oath and should be struck off.

And as for coming after our children, FUCK OFF!!!!!

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'Simply put, their death figures are artificially inflated' while more than doubling the time a death is counted after a positive death. Seems a legitimate site you are using there.
Where did you get the figures that the vaccines have a 1/300 chance of a serious adverse event from? As usual you put 'facts' up then fail to back them up.

 

[dealer wins]

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[colinsunderland]

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well that states 440,871 adverse reactions but include things like a temperature, nausea, tiredness, chills, joint and muscle pain, headache (which in itself counts over 10% of those cases). None of those are what I would class as severe.

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As the figures in that article are based on every adverse reaction reported, most of which aren't severe, you got one to link to the severe ones as you claimed? Most those reactions you would get regularly after a flu vaccination, wheres your posts saying no one should take those?

 

[cncas2123]

well that states 440,871 adverse reactions but include things like a temperature, nausea, tiredness, chills, joint and muscle pain, headache (which in itself counts over 10% of those cases). None of those are what I would class as severe.

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As the figures in that article are based on every adverse reaction reported, most of which aren't severe, you got one to link to the severe ones as you claimed? Most those reactions you would get regularly after a flu vaccination, wheres your posts saying no one should take those?

You only need to visit his source material and read the utter bollox in their blogs to realise where he's coming from.

 

[geordiecolin]

To debate what?


It's never been claimed the vaccines 100% stop you catching it has it? Just that it will stop you getting bad symptoms or ending up on ICU or in a grave.

A few pages ago I posted this as an example of what topics should be opened up for debate instead of experts that have differing views being shut down,de-platformed and/or losing their jobs.

"I have been looking at various statistics such as death rates around the World,obesity, climate, population densities etc. and it just adds to the confusion about the virus.
Countries that have high death rates do not always have a higher obesity rate than those with low rates. Population densities also show conflicting data. Wearing masks and lock downs v no masks and no lock downs being another. Diet, skin colour and Vitamin B access of differing Countries. Vaccination program uptake in various countries being another.
I don't claim to be any good with statistics and data but nor are most of the populations of this world.
I think that it is high time that there should be open debate worldwide about how and why there is such conflicting information and data re what it means to how the virus and viruses in future are dealt with instead of there predominantly being only one narrative"

We where told that a vaccine would be the holly grail and most people posted that it would be as such in this thread from very early on. Our governments touted it as being so too

 

[geordiecolin]

You only need to visit his source material and read the utter bollox in their blogs to realise where he's coming from.

Or maybe ignore everything contained in the link he provides if you do not like the site except the links to the government reports themselves maybe? Here is one of those links the site handily provides

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[geordiecolin]

well that states 440,871 adverse reactions but include things like a temperature, nausea, tiredness, chills, joint and muscle pain, headache (which in itself counts over 10% of those cases). None of those are what I would class as severe.

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As the figures in that article are based on every adverse reaction reported, most of which aren't severe, you got one to link to the severe ones as you claimed? Most those reactions you would get regularly after a flu vaccination, wheres your posts saying no one should take those?

My social media is littered with friends who have had adverse reactions after taking the vaccine. Some where pretty scary. And that is just the initial reactions. Nobody knows yet what the medium to long term effects will be

 

[colinsunderland]

Or maybe ignore everything contained in the link he provides if you do not like the site except the links to the government reports themselves maybe? Here is one of those links the site handily provides

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I looked at that, and included a link to the government report that the link was relying on, and theres nowhere close to the amount of serious reactions to the vaccines that he claimed there was. Unless of course you think a headache and sore arm are serious reactions?

 

[colinsunderland]

My social media is littered with friends who have had adverse reactions after taking the vaccine. Some where pretty scary. And that is just the initial reactions. Nobody knows yet what the medium to long term effects will be

Serious adverse reactions or adverse reactions? I had adverse reactions, I had a sore arm, was very tired, and a bit of a headache. Apart from the arm they lasted under 24 hours. Hardly what I would call serious.

 

[colinsunderland]

A few pages ago I posted this as an example of what topics should be opened up for debate instead of experts that have differing views being shut down,de-platformed and/or losing their jobs.

"I have been looking at various statistics such as death rates around the World,obesity, climate, population densities etc. and it just adds to the confusion about the virus.
Countries that have high death rates do not always have a higher obesity rate than those with low rates. Population densities also show conflicting data. Wearing masks and lock downs v no masks and no lock downs being another. Diet, skin colour and Vitamin B access of differing Countries. Vaccination program uptake in various countries being another.
I don't claim to be any good with statistics and data but nor are most of the populations of this world.
I think that it is high time that there should be open debate worldwide about how and why there is such conflicting information and data re what it means to how the virus and viruses in future are dealt with instead of there predominantly being only one narrative"

We where told that a vaccine would be the holly grail and most people posted that it would be as such in this thread from very early on. Our governments touted it as being so too

A virus spreads differently in different conditions, evolves differently in different conditions is what I see. Happy to discuss it, but not sure what you are waiting to discuss being honest. You can't compare countries as they are all different, which is what I've said from the start. Not sure what you mean by the vaccine being the holy grail, are you saying it isn't going to help get us out of the situation we are in?
As far as I can see, every country that has a high level of vaccinations has currently got hospital and death figures that are massively down on what they were, surely that is the point of vaccines, to stop people being critically ill?

 

[geordiecolin]

I looked at that, and included a link to the government report that the link was relying on, and theres nowhere close to the amount of serious reactions to the vaccines that he claimed there was. Unless of course you think a headache and sore arm are serious reactions?

I read that only a fraction of those who had a reaction to the vaccine bothered reporting it. 2 friends posted that they suffered from horrible shaking for a few days as well as other things. I asked one if they had reported it and she said no.
My main worry is the medium to long term effects of the vaccine which nobody can reliably vouch for. I also wonder what effect it will have on fertility given that women have lost their babies after having the shot and that it has been recommended that those who are pregnant or are looking to conceive are advised not to have the shot.

As an aside,I wonder what the birth rate has been over the past 6 months or so in developed countries?

 

[geordiecolin]

A virus spreads differently in different conditions, evolves differently in different conditions is what I see. Happy to discuss it, but not sure what you are waiting to discuss being honest. You can't compare countries as they are all different, which is what I've said from the start. Not sure what you mean by the vaccine being the holy grail, are you saying it isn't going to help get us out of the situation we are in?
As far as I can see, every country that has a high level of vaccinations has currently got hospital and death figures that are massively down on what they were, surely that is the point of vaccines, to stop people being critically ill?

Colin. All experts who have differing views about the virus and how to deal with it that do not fit the narrative are shut down,de-platformed and or are threatened or lose their jobs.
As an example the BBC refuse to allow anyone to discuss alternative views than what is the official narrative
You know that

 

[mack341]

 

[colinsunderland]

I read that only a fraction of those who had a reaction to the vaccine bothered reporting it. 2 friends posted that they suffered from horrible shaking for a few days as well as other things. I asked one if they had reported it and she said no.
My main worry is the medium to long term effects of the vaccine which nobody can reliably vouch for. I also wonder what effect it will have on fertility given that women have lost their babies after having the shot and that it has been recommended that those who are pregnant or are looking to conceive are advised not to have the shot.

As an aside,I wonder what the birth rate has been over the past 6 months or so in developed countries?

Surely if someone suffers a serious reaction they would ring their GP though? I suppose it depends what you class as serious. My arm was sore as fuck, couldn't lift a cup of coffee with it, some people might say that was a serious reaction, but I wouldn't. Just like any flu like symptoms that last 24 hours or so. Uncomfortable, yes. Something I would class as serious, no.

As to medium and long term effects, you can say the same about covid, even in the young, which there is evidence of.

 

[mack341]

Extreme actions like lockdown have knock on consequences globally [as well as the yet unquantified collateral damage in the locked down countries like the uk]:

The coronavirus pandemic has pushed an additional 150 million children into multidimensional poverty – deprived of education, health, housing, nutrition, sanitation or water – a new UN study has found.

Globally, the number of children living in poverty soared to nearly 1.2 billion – a 15 per cent increase since the pandemic hit earlier this year, according to a technical note on impact of COVID-19 on child poverty, issued on Thursday by the UN Children’s Fund (UNICEF) and the NGO Save the Children.

Although the analysis paints a dire picture already, UNICEF warns the situation will likely worsen in the months to come.

“COVID-19 and the lockdown measures imposed to prevent its spread have pushed millions of children deeper into poverty,” said Henrietta Fore, UNICEF Executive Director.

“Families on the cusp of escaping poverty have been pulled back in, while others are experiencing levels of deprivation they have never seen before. Most concerningly, we are closer to the beginning of this crisis than its end.”

 

[Jono777]

Something really important has just popped into my head after catching up with this thread.....

Once 'normality' is more or less resumed (hopefully soon), and pubs can operate like the good old days, are Dealer and Colin going to meet up for a nice friendly pint or two and a chat

 

[pinnit2014]

Once Dealer has, not one, but his 2 jabs, then yes.

 

[Borgie]

Something really important has just popped into my head after catching up with this thread.....

Once 'normality' is more or less resumed (hopefully soon), and pubs can operate like the good old days, are Dealer and Colin going to meet up for a nice friendly pint or two and a chat

 

[dealer wins]

And as for "vaccine passports"

 

[cncas2123]

And as for "vaccine passports"

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Only relevant if everyone takes a vaccine, but as you are spouting bollox like 50% of people will refuse to be vaccinated why would any country take the chance and not have a vaccine passport?

 

[colinsunderland]

And as for "vaccine passports"

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Not going to answer my questions about the figures you put up earlier then? Just more trolling from you then I take it?

 

[geordiecolin]

Only those vaccinated are being evacuated and there is a possibility of another volcano kicking off on nearby Martinique

 

[colinsunderland]

Only those vaccinated are being evacuated and there is a possibility of another volcano kicking off on nearby Martinique

You post about the MSM giving out fake or misleading news, but then post stuff like that, from the MSM, quoted by someone who is against everything that governments are doing, by the look of his twitter account?
He was seemingly quoting current rules for cruise ships and other islands (of which most seem to have relaxed the policy during the crisis since he made the statement). He did not say people wouldn't be saved if they hadn't been vaccinated.

 

[Gaz237]

Only those vaccinated are being evacuated and there is a possibility of another volcano kicking off on nearby Martinique

Could it be more that, where ever they are being evacuated to, will not allow non vaccinated people?.