Corona virus - Covid 19 discussion

[slotplayer]

He is, but he did not give out medical advice in the video, right?
What part of the video do you think he was wrong about?

It's not about medical advice, its about posting at least a somewhat credible and authoritative figure like I always do.

I didn't say Cross was accurate or inaccurate but he sights no sources.

 

[colinsunderland]

Today's stats for the UK compared to a week ago, still going well.

6,397 cases in the UK. +94
63 deaths in the UK. -32
354 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -72
5,122 patients in hospital in the UK. -2,096
683 patients on ventilation in the UK. -285

1,813,842 tests conducted.

57 cases per 100,000 for the UK using daily data. -2

28,991,188 (337,665) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +3,225,716
2,775,481 (242,642) people have received 2nd dose of vaccination in the UK. +896,427

Before one of the doom mongers mentions it, +94 cases against +400000 tests being carried out to a week ago.

 

[cncas2123]

Today's stats for the UK compared to a week ago, still going well.

6,397 cases in the UK. +94
63 deaths in the UK. -32
354 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -72
5,122 patients in hospital in the UK. -2,096
683 patients on ventilation in the UK. -285

1,813,842 tests conducted.

57 cases per 100,000 for the UK using daily data. -2

28,991,188 (337,665) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +3,225,716
2,775,481 (242,642) people have received 2nd dose of vaccination in the UK. +896,427

Before one of the doom mongers mentions it, +94 cases against +400000 tests being carried out to a week ago.

Proof if ever it was needed that lockdowns dont work and vaccinations are a waste of time and make the problem worse :
Thought I would save dealer the trouble of having to post...

 

[Kroffe]

It's not about medical advice, its about posting at least a somewhat credible and authoritative figure like I always do.

I didn't say Cross was accurate or inaccurate but he sights no sources

There are alot more serious/credible sources bringing up the same points about the healthcare system in Usa.
I just thought the cross video did a decent job explaning the main issues, which is spending, and how it compares to other developed countries.
site below talks about the same things, complete with sources.
No cartoons tho.

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Edit: I agree they should include sources for videos like that.

 

[paul7388]

Today's stats for the UK compared to a week ago, still going well.

6,397 cases in the UK. +94
63 deaths in the UK. -32
354 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -72
5,122 patients in hospital in the UK. -2,096
683 patients on ventilation in the UK. -285

1,813,842 tests conducted.

57 cases per 100,000 for the UK using daily data. -2

28,991,188 (337,665) people have received 1st dose of vaccination in the UK. +3,225,716
2,775,481 (242,642) people have received 2nd dose of vaccination in the UK. +896,427

Before one of the doom mongers mentions it, +94 cases against +400000 tests being carried out to a week ago.

To be fair tho the cases should be well down by now. Even without vaccination or lockdowns the cases would be well down by now.

When you estimate that probably at least 1 in 3 adults has had the virus by now then no matter what happens the cases would be dropping.

If they were not going down significantly after a year and with a 3rd of the country already having had the virus something would be totally wrong.

 

[colinsunderland]

To be fair tho the cases should be well down by now. Even without vaccination or lockdowns the cases would be well down by now.

When you estimate that probably at least 1 in 3 adults has had the virus by now then no matter what happens the cases would be dropping.

If they were not going down significantly after a year and with a 3rd of the country already having had the virus something would be totally wrong.

Well they are rising in other countries, and we were at 100000 at one point, so think the fact they are still dropping and only at about 6.4% of what they were a couple of months back is pretty good myself.

The cases shouldn't be the main thing to focus on though, especially not now that so many kids are being tested, hospitalisations and deaths are the main numbers to look at. It would be interesting to see how many of the positives are people in education though, which I can't seem to find. I suspect if they were removed from the figures the cases would be down significantly more than they are.

Cases are a bad metric to use too, as a year ago we were only testing people who had symptoms.

 

[paul7388]

Well they are rising in other countries, and we were at 100000 at one point, so think the fact they are still dropping and only at about 6.4% of what they were a couple of months back is pretty good myself.

The cases shouldn't be the main thing to focus on though, especially not now that so many kids are being tested, hospitalisations and deaths are the main numbers to look at. It would be interesting to see how many of the positives are people in education though, which I can't seem to find. I suspect if they were removed from the figures the cases would be down significantly more than they are.

Cases are a bad metric to use too, as a year ago we were only testing people who had symptoms.

I would agree.

Mainly pointing out like any other disease whether you have Lockdowns or Vaccinations once it has reached so many the spread will slow down and death rates will drop.

I mean i am guessing at amount that have had it. I know there are 4.3 million confirmed cases. So i would imagine there are at least 3x as many that never got tested for various reasons . Also factoring in the millions etc. that don't leave home then the spread should be slowing down by now as most large groups will probably have several that have had the virus.

And without sounding sick. Most deaths last year were in care homes etc. Now with the vaccinations and fact that they already wiped out loads of the elderly in care homes and also changed practices to try and keep it out , then less of the most vulnerable should be catching it and dying.

 

[colinsunderland]

I would agree.

Mainly pointing out like any other disease whether you have Lockdowns or Vaccinations once it has reached so many the spread will slow down and death rates will drop.

I mean i am guessing at amount that have had it. I know there are 4.3 million confirmed cases. So i would imagine there are at least 3x as many that never got tested for various reasons . Also factoring in the millions etc. that don't leave home then the spread should be slowing down by now as most large groups will probably have several that have had the virus.

And without sounding sick. Most deaths last year were in care homes etc. Now with the vaccinations and fact that they already wiped out loads of the elderly in care homes and also changed practices to try and keep it out , then less of the most vulnerable should be catching it and dying.

What amazed me was that there wasn't a single case of flu this year, not sure if thats still the case, but think it was up till about the end of feb.

 

[paul7388]

What amazed me was that there wasn't a single case of flu this year, not sure if thats still the case, but think it was up till about the end of feb.

Yeah was thinking about that as well.

Maybe because so few people travelling in and out of other counties. People will say it is because of hygiene and masks etc.

Will not even go into other illnesses like Pneumonia and bronchitis etc. that seem to have very few deaths it is what it is.

Did see a doctor on telly tho talking about things like flu and common cold etc. who thinks in a year or two they might hit people worse than normal as peoples immune systems might be weaker due to less contact with normal germs etc. Time will tell.

All i know is that in Scotland cases are actually higher today than rest of week. Also higher than when we went into Lockdown in December and that is not even accounting for schools going back this week. Yet we start reopening things on April 5th lol just after Easter weekend. Why do i think cases will increase here .

Also might as well throw in a point not been mentioned on this thread. We talk about Human Rights and whether people can refuse to employ you if not vaccinated and all the rest.

But was interesting that yesterday one of the few cases that took the government to court over Lockdown won. Was ruled in their favour that the Scottish Government had acted illegally by banning worship in Churches etc. as it breached some Human Rights law on Religion.

Just wondering how many other cases would have been won if different sectors had went to court over Lockdown.

 

[Gaz237]

Just wondering how many other cases would have been won if different sectors had went to court over Lockdown.

I stand to be corrected , as cannot recall for sure, but didn't England rush through new laws to cover this?.

i know Scottish law can differ somewhat to English.

 

[cncas2123]

Yeah was thinking about that as well.

Maybe because so few people travelling in and out of other counties. People will say it is because of hygiene and masks etc.

Will not even go into other illnesses like Pneumonia and bronchitis etc. that seem to have very few deaths it is what it is.

Did see a doctor on telly tho talking about things like flu and common cold etc. who thinks in a year or two they might hit people worse than normal as peoples immune systems might be weaker due to less contact with normal germs etc. Time will tell.

All i know is that in Scotland cases are actually higher today than rest of week. Also higher than when we went into Lockdown in December and that is not even accounting for schools going back this week. Yet we start reopening things on April 5th lol just after Easter weekend. Why do i think cases will increase here .

Also might as well throw in a point not been mentioned on this thread. We talk about Human Rights and whether people can refuse to employ you if not vaccinated and all the rest.

But was interesting that yesterday one of the few cases that took the government to court over Lockdown won. Was ruled in their favour that the Scottish Government had acted illegally by banning worship in Churches etc. as it breached some Human Rights law on Religion.

Just wondering how many other cases would have been won if different sectors had went to court over Lockdown.

I would be very surprised if there isnt a queue of cases waiting to go into the various courts challenging most of the measures put in place, and put into law, during the various lockdowns.
I know that 2 solicitors took the Irish Government to court last year with their case being that their lockdown was illegal and was an infringement on their human rights, but their case was thrown out with no right to appeal.

 

[paul7388]

I stand to be corrected , as cannot recall for sure, but didn't England rush through new laws to cover this?.

i know Scottish law can differ somewhat to English.

Not sure how it works. But yes think England and Scotland have different laws.

But the court hearing said the law was breaking some Human Rights law so it was basically groundless and the Government had acted illegally forcing churches to shut.

 

[paul7388]

I would be very surprised if there isnt a queue of cases waiting to go into the various courts challenging most of the measures put in place, and put into law, during the various lockdowns.
I know that 2 solicitors took the Irish Government to court last year with their case being that their lockdown was illegal and was an infringement on their human rights, but their case was thrown out with no right to appeal.

Some of the laws were a farce. Take some shops. They were told they had to close up here as they were Non Essential. I know one that quickly flung together a section with Baby stuff and some Hardware goods. They then could not shut it as it was selling essential goods.

Was the same with the Restaurant , Cafes etc where a quick change of menu bypassed the law stopping you from trading.

 

[slotplayer]

There are alot more serious/credible sources bringing up the same points about the healthcare system in Usa.
I just thought the cross video did a decent job explaning the main issues, which is spending, and how it compares to other developed countries.
site below talks about the same things, complete with sources.
No cartoons tho.

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Edit: I agree they should include sources for videos like that.

Sure the healthcare systems has issues, but its not a dismal failure otherwise there would protests just like any other issue the people get fed up with, like lockdowns in the EU for example.

 

[colinsunderland]

Yeah was thinking about that as well.

Maybe because so few people travelling in and out of other counties. People will say it is because of hygiene and masks etc.

Will not even go into other illnesses like Pneumonia and bronchitis etc. that seem to have very few deaths it is what it is.

Did see a doctor on telly tho talking about things like flu and common cold etc. who thinks in a year or two they might hit people worse than normal as peoples immune systems might be weaker due to less contact with normal germs etc. Time will tell.

All i know is that in Scotland cases are actually higher today than rest of week. Also higher than when we went into Lockdown in December and that is not even accounting for schools going back this week. Yet we start reopening things on April 5th lol just after Easter weekend. Why do i think cases will increase here .

Also might as well throw in a point not been mentioned on this thread. We talk about Human Rights and whether people can refuse to employ you if not vaccinated and all the rest.

But was interesting that yesterday one of the few cases that took the government to court over Lockdown won. Was ruled in their favour that the Scottish Government had acted illegally by banning worship in Churches etc. as it breached some Human Rights law on Religion.

Just wondering how many other cases would have been won if different sectors had went to court over Lockdown.

Yeah that seems to be a common thought, that the immune system will be lower in years to come, more worrying is that the flu vaccine next year might not be very effective as they adjust it year on year depending on the previous years flu.

I think there have been quite a few challenges to the lockdown in court, but the failed ones tend not to get publicised much. Freedom of religion is a human right, a real one (not like the made up ones dealer keeps talking about) but even then the judge was quite cagey about the ruling

"I have not decided that all churches must immediately open or that it is safe for them to do so, or even that no restrictions at all are justified," he said.
"All I have decided is that the regulations which are challenged in this petition went further than they were lawfully able to do, in the circumstances which existed when they were made."

And with respect to anyone who does go to church, surely they are, on the whole, in the most vulnerable group, and if they have any sense, won't be flocking back anyway. My Auntie's 82 and lives in Ayr, she hasn't missed a Sunday in church as long as I remember, is involved in the groups, is there 3/4 days every week, but even she says she won't be going back yet, and she's had both vaccinations.

 

[dealer wins]

So "If" we get a variant that becomes widespread and beats the vaccine, should we lockdown again for another 12 months and destroy what is left of the economy, or would you suggest we would have to take it on the chin and try not to get to a situation where the NHS cant operate due to no money?

Genuine question, as the vaccines will soon create these variants which will come think and fast.

 

[geordiecolin]

So "If" we get a variant that becomes widespread and beats the vaccine, should we lockdown again for another 12 months and destroy what is left of the economy, or would you suggest we would have to take it on the chin and try not to get to a situation where the NHS cant operate due to no money?

Genuine question, as the vaccines will soon create these variants which will come think and fast.

One year already is a significant part of a life. I am just waiting for the next advance warning that we have been getting for another furlough that covers another 3/6 months.
Unless they drop it for another bailout or none!
Goalposts keep shifting for those wishing to get back to normal life.
Who thinks that will ever happen now?
Last year at the start of the lock down who did not make all kinds of dismissive remarks?

 

[mack341]

Here we go a new govt dept, the uk health security agency 'uckser'... also claims Dido harding has been effective, whereas I'm sure she'd been universally panned and recently the public accounts committee had a few relevant things to mention:

Dido Harding’s test and trace system has swallowed up “unimaginable” amounts of taxpayers’ money with no evidence of any measurable difference on the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, a scathing report by a Westminster spending watchdog has found.
The report said NHS test and trace must “wean itself off” its reliance on private-sector consultants, after figures showed it was still employing around 2,500 in early February on an estimated daily rate of £1,100 a head – with the highest-paid individual costing taxpayers £6,624 a day.

[that's 2.5 million pounds a day if my maths are holding up]

 

[geordiecolin]

Here we go a new govt dept, the uk health security agency 'uckser'... also claims Dido harding has been effective, whereas I'm sure she'd been universally panned and recently the public accounts committee had a few relevant things to mention:

Dido Harding’s test and trace system has swallowed up “unimaginable” amounts of taxpayers’ money with no evidence of any measurable difference on the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, a scathing report by a Westminster spending watchdog has found.
The report said NHS test and trace must “wean itself off” its reliance on private-sector consultants, after figures showed it was still employing around 2,500 in early February on an estimated daily rate of £1,100 a head – with the highest-paid individual costing taxpayers £6,624 a day.

[that's 2.5 million pounds a day if my math skills are holding up]

Many months ago it was obvious in here that your just preaching to the converted so I do not see the point other than the fact that this thread is so predominant.
Time will prove what is right and what is wrong regarding my own opinions and for everyone else.
This forum is way to small a market to get involved with emotionally.
It is a gambling forum.
But respect to how you hold yourself back from the abuse you get

 

[mack341]

Talking of testing what a non-surprise this is:




According to a

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in the BMJ this week by Dr Martin Neil, a statistics professor at the University of London, targeting only a single gene in this way massively increases the risk of a false positive because of the possibility of cross-reactivity with other coronaviruses as well as prevalent bacteria or other contamination.

So this on top of the high cycle rates used by pcr, iirc fauci said anything requiring over 35 cycles is unlikely to be a sign of an active covid infection

 

[mack341]

Many months ago it was obvious in here that your just preaching to the converted so I do not see the point other than the fact that this thread is so predominant.
Time will prove what is right and what is wrong regarding my own opinions and for everyone else.
This forum is way to small a market to get involved with emotionally.
It is a gambling forum.
But respect to how you hold yourself back from the abuse you get

Agreed GC, but I've pretty much ran out of things to say about slots atm! ...imagine there are actually dedicated covid forums somewhere, twitter is a bit like a gigantic loose forum, but no I think debates on CM suit me fine, whether it suits anyone reading my posts is another issue

 

[Gaz237]

Here we go a new govt dept, the uk health security agency 'uckser'... also claims Dido harding has been effective, whereas I'm sure she'd been universally panned and recently the public accounts committee had a few relevant things to mention:

Dido Harding’s test and trace system has swallowed up “unimaginable” amounts of taxpayers’ money with no evidence of any measurable difference on the progress of the coronavirus pandemic, a scathing report by a Westminster spending watchdog has found.
The report said NHS test and trace must “wean itself off” its reliance on private-sector consultants, after figures showed it was still employing around 2,500 in early February on an estimated daily rate of £1,100 a head – with the highest-paid individual costing taxpayers £6,624 a day.

[that's 2.5 million pounds a day if my maths are holding up]

I actually thought i was reading the script for a dodgy porn movie for a minute there .

 

[mack341]

I had to resist a strong urge to add an 'L' as well...it was in my first version

 

[slotplayer]

 

[geordiecolin]

This was during a debate on extending the emergency powers until October ( Just before the winter season folks? What chance of getting back to "normality" there then given that we will then be asked to stay at home to protect the NHS blah blah blah?)

So they have the figures about everything else at the drop of a hat but no figures on deaths after the vaccine? He looked as if he shit himself after being asked.
So I strongly believe it will be another year at least then. So much for life getting back to normal as soon as a vaccine becomes available as we where promised.

 

[dealer wins]

Why does he always slump down onto the bench like woody lol

 

[Kroffe]

I know someone already posted it earlier in the thread, but since dealer mentioned it i figured its worth a re-post.

 

[Borgie]

Covid is now killing younger people in France, ICU doctor says

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Sent via @updayUK

Grateful for our vaccination programme success.

 

[geordiecolin]

I know someone already posted it earlier in the thread.

His love eggs where in danger of falling out after he nearly shit himself when questioned about the death figures after receiving the jab. It was his cunning way of putting them back without raising suspicion

 

[toph11]

covid is pretty much non existent here in my area
everyone has basically got their vaccine but i do know a few that refused it
their reason being that they never get a common cold so they said no
i just looked at them in disbelief

 

[dionysus]

Went out this week and played cards with neighbours (first time in now, a year)
Didnt wear masks around the table and obv we all handled the cards.

Still cautious though, we hand sanitized first. But felt comfortable enough we all sat around and enjoyed time in the sun.

 

[Kroffe]

enjoyed time in the sun.

Pretty sure thats not normal.

 

[Borgie]

Went out this week and played cards with neighbours (first time in now, a year)
Didnt wear masks around the table and obv we all handled the cards.

Still cautious though, we hand sanitized first. But felt comfortable enough we all sat around and enjoyed time in the sun.

Are all covid restrictions lifted in canada now? Brilliant if they are.

 

[dionysus]

Are all covid restrictions lifted in canada now? Brilliant if they are.

Loosened yes, lifted, no

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[dionysus]

Sadly, our cases are rising, and as people go out, theyre being less cautious (and tbh, even I've gotten lax - though I do wear my mask everywhere I go) - but as well, I figure, we do take precautions, but I need 'to live' as well.

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[Steviedoo]

dionysus said:

enjoyed time in the sun

Pretty sure thats not normal.

Well if you’re vampire it’s not. Lol.

 

[Kroffe]

Well if you’re vampire it’s not. Lol.

I dont know what you are talking about.
I react to the sun the same way everyone else does.

 

[mack341]

I wonder how many other mistruths and exaggerations the media have put out there, simply because they don't carry out a check as curious, questioning journalists should

 

[mack341]

Interesting on dr Mclachan's twitter are some posts regarding bill gates, that he doesn't like the oxfordzeneca vaccine because it's not m-RNA based, and he funded a recent study that concludes it provides no protection against the SA variant

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I do not trust bill gates, that he has no financial angle linked to his world health activities I find hard to believe, it's all just good old fashioned philanthropism and costing him money.

 

[geordiecolin]

I wonder how many other mistruths and exaggerations the media have put out there, simply because they don't carry out a check as curious, questioning journalists should

I have just been on the phone with my younger daughter. All of last year she refused to discuss Covid and world events with me because she preferred to believe the information that was provided by Boris and media. What a turneround now! I had to tell her not to believe everything that she reads or sees that is put out by alternative media such as Qanon and to do proper research. It appears that many of her Uni friends are questioning the narrative too.
I suspect that there will be a lot of push back from younger adults when it comes to their turn to have the jab. And even more when it comes to vaccinating children

 

[mack341]

I have just been on the phone with my younger daughter. All of last year she refused to discuss Covid and world events with me because she preferred to believe the information that was provided by Boris and media. What a turneround now! I had to tell her not to believe everything that she reads or sees that is put out by alternative media such as Qanon and to do proper research. It appears that many of her Uni friends are questioning the narrative too.
I suspect that there will be a lot of push back from younger adults when it comes to their turn to have the jab. And even more when it comes to vaccinating children

I think if I was 20 now my head would be spinning, it's going to be their future and well things aren't looking fantastic atm. You do have to be careful with those type of Qanon sites, when you've got a few more years under the belt it's not as bad, you can judge things a bit better and put them into a perspective.

The lib dems are showing a bit of movement regarding opposing covid passports for pubs, maybe there is a political opportunity for them here, when the two main parties sing from the same hym sheet.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Cults sure used to be different back in the day. Nowadays they're online. And less exclusive.

 

[pinnit2014]

Cults sure used to be different back in the day. Nowadays they're online. And less exclusive.

They're too serious now - back in the say it was all sex and drugs which i'd have signed up to in a jiffy

 

[dealer wins]

I have just been on the phone with my younger daughter. All of last year she refused to discuss Covid and world events with me because she preferred to believe the information that was provided by Boris and media. What a turneround now! I had to tell her not to believe everything that she reads or sees that is put out by alternative media such as Qanon and to do proper research. It appears that many of her Uni friends are questioning the narrative too.
I suspect that there will be a lot of push back from younger adults when it comes to their turn to have the jab. And even more when it comes to vaccinating children

Its all about getting people to use "vaccine passports" as thats a vital as a way of getting us to use digital IDs. Then it will get worse from there lol

 

[colinsunderland]

3,862 cases in the UK. -1,450
19 deaths in the UK. -14
343 patients admitted to hospital in the UK. -94

Those figures are extremely good, deaths are down to July figures now, obviously it's a Sunday so they will be low, but the week as a whole was down 31.7%, and hospitalisations down slightly over 20% on the previous week.

 

[colinsunderland]

Breakdown of the age groups of the positive tests

0-9: 11.90% (374)
10-19: 17.28% (543)
20-29: 14.93% (469)
30-39: 20.34% (639)
40-49: 15.60% (490)
50-59: 11.62% (365)
60-69: 5.25% (165)
70-79: 1.72% (54)
80-89: 0.86% (27)
90+: 0.51% (16)

Also broke the 30 million vaccination mark.

Shops and pubs opening back up in a couple of weeks, hopefully things keep declining

 

[slotplayer]

I happened to watch this Steve Hilton segment last night and it just popped up on YT. Frightful!

 

[geordiecolin]

Last updated on 3/2019

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And some cozy bedtime reading.

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Just wild conspiracy though.

 

[colinsunderland]

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And some cozy bedtime reading.

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Just wild conspiracy though.

Not sure what your point is?
Both documents are the same, it seems to be a roadmap for vaccinations in case of a pandemic which is sensible, and we aren't part of the EU so wouldn't apply to us surely?

 

[cncas2123]

Last updated on 3/2019

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And some cozy bedtime reading.

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Just wild conspiracy though.

Am I missing something? This seems pretty standard and straightforward, why would they not want to have a co-ordinated vaccine rollout for immunising against diseases like Mumps, Measles, Rubella etc?