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Has anyone been vaccinated here? :D
I think theres quite a few that have got the jab, I got my first dose of the Pfizer Biontech vaccine in January as my company got access as they are considered essential. I am getting the second on 1st April and I would advise everyone who gets invited to get one go along and get it
 
I got my first doze of Astra last week :)
Here in Serbia you can apply via phone or website and they call you soon to get it. This include foreigners too - free vaccine for all :D

What annoys me is that now lots of countries is withdrawing this one I got :axeman2:
 
I got my first doze of Astra last week :)
Here in Serbia you can apply via phone or website and they call you soon to get it. This include foreigners too - free vaccine for all :D

What annoys me is that now lots of countries is withdrawing this one I got :axeman2:
The EMA have now cleared it for use again, they say there is no link between the AZ Vaccine and blood clots, so you will be fine, though a couple of people I have spoken to who have had the second dose have said that it hit them a lot harder than the first dose, felt like they had the flu and they felt really fatigued but it passed in a few days.
 
I got my first doze of Astra last week :)
Here in Serbia you can apply via phone or website and they call you soon to get it. This include foreigners too - free vaccine for all :D

What annoys me is that now lots of countries is withdrawing this one I got :axeman2:
Nothing wrong with it - it's worked wonders here in the UK and the latest is that the EU Health lot have just confirmed the blood clot thing is BS. In fact, using the twisted logic of the EU cretins, the stats in the UK suggest that the 17m people who've had it are 50% LESS likely to have a blood clot! Apparently blood clots in those 17m people are about half of the average you would expect in 17m 'normal' people of those ages who've NOT had the vaccine. Go figure. There's lies, damn lies and statistics.

It's a shame these idiots in some countries have scared so many into avoiding the OAZ vaccine and many of those will inevitably die as a result. These fools should think of the human cost before they spread their rumours.

Nothing changes - for 1000 years we've watched the European nations squabble, argue with and destroy each other and it's no different with the advent of the EU.
 
Not a 100% clean bill of health, from the horses mouth:

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COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca: benefits still outweigh the risks despite possible link to rare blood clots with low blood platelets

  • however, the vaccine may be associated with very rare cases of blood clots associated with thrombocytopenia, i.e. low levels of blood platelets (elements in the blood that help it to clot) with or without bleeding, including rare cases of clots in the vessels draining blood from the brain (CVST). [exactly what the US doctor who died had, thrombocytopenia, and it was glossed over as unrelated]
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involved experts in blood disorders in its review, and worked closely with other health authorities including the UK’s MHRA which has experience with administration of this vaccine to around 11 million people. Overall the number of thromboembolic events reported after vaccination, both in studies before licensing and in reports after rollout of vaccination campaigns (469 reports, 191 of them from the EEA), was lower than that expected in the general population. This allows the
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to confirm that there is no increase in overall risk of blood clots. However, in younger patients there remain some concerns, related in particular to these rare cases.

The Committee was of the opinion that the vaccine’s proven
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in preventing hospitalisation and death from COVID-19 outweighs the extremely small likelihood of developing DIC or CVST. However, in the light of its findings, patients should be aware of the remote possibility of such syndromes, and if symptoms suggestive of clotting problems occur patients should seek immediate medical attention and inform healthcare professionals of their recent vaccination. Steps are already being taken to update the
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for the vaccine to include more information on these risks.

  • if you get any of the following after receiving the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca:
    • breathlessness,
    • pain in the chest or stomach,
    • swelling or coldness in an arm or leg,
    • severe or worsening headache or blurred vision after vaccination,
    • persistent bleeding,
    • multiple small bruises, reddish or purplish spots, or blood blisters under the skin,
please seek prompt medical assistance and mention your recent vaccination.

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The scientists who created this vaccine need to find out why this has happened, so those susceptible can be screened, that should be the manufacturer's responsibility.
 
I'm trying to imagine the short-circuit in vax-sceptic Brexiter brains when it comes to the AZ vaccine. On the one hand it's THE BEST OF BRITISH standing against the evil-EU and their sinister political machinations, on the other hand it's SCARY RUSHED VAXX STUFF that will turn our brains into chicken nuggets, or something.

Me and Mrs Chopley have both been vaccinated, I got the Pfizer on Monday, Mrs Chopley got the AZ yesterday. My arm was sore for 36 hours (never exactly painful, but definitely slightly unpleasant at its worst), Mrs Chopley felt wonky on the evening of the jab and slept for three hours this afternoon, but we're both back to our usual selves now.

We're both only 47 years old but we had early access to vaccinations as we're both carers for a high-needs disabled child, and neither of us hesitated for a moment.

I have no idea how vaccination, one of humankind's toweringly magnificent achievements, turned into something to be 'afraid' of.

Anyway, I put my money where my mouth is, and got vaccinated the first chance I got.

This thread could exhaust the entire world's supply of tin foil all by itself.
 
I have the annual physical on Friday. (should be fun) I'm going to see if the doctor can test for Covid antibodies (and vit D) first before scheduling the jab. Unfortunately at the time I scheduled the appt, the doctor was not offering the vaccines, however that was before the J&J was approved so maybe that has changed?

Well my doctor would not run the covid anti-body test. Instead he was pushing for me to get the vaccine.
 
Well my doctor would not run the covid anti-body test. Instead he was pushing for me to get the vaccine.

I would like to have an antigen test done too but can't get it here. I could buy it on Amazon or Ebay tho... but I'd prefer an official one. After all it's 1 drop of blood on a stick. No idea why they don't offer it here.
 
I would like to have an antigen test done too but can't get it here. I could buy it on Amazon or Ebay tho... but I'd prefer an official one. After all it's 1 drop of blood on a stick. No idea why they don't offer it here.

Think Bryan has enough going on with his PAB's n all that never mind blood on sticks :p
 
Well my doctor would not run the covid anti-body test. Instead he was pushing for me to get the vaccine.

ah that seems a shame, there was an article in the new york times a while back, about the possibility that people who have already had covid may experience worse adverse effects from the covid vaccines. [not dangerous different effects just more intense]

If you've already got the antibodies you might have years of naturally acquired protection, which is broader than the vax, I think I read though that the antibodies only circulate for a while, but the immune system memory can produce them again quickly if you come into contact with the virus again.
 
I have no idea how vaccination, one of humankind's toweringly magnificent achievements, turned into something to be 'afraid' of.

Not all vax's are the same, if you're talking about the smallpox one, and stopping someone from suffering like this then I agree.

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However It's now got a big business element to it that it didn't before, a child born in the US has a schedule of about 16 vaccines, some with multiple shots.

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  • Diphtheria, tetanus and pertussis (DTaP)
  • Tetanus, diphtheria and acellular pertussis (Tdap “booster” for adolescents)
  • Poliovirus (IPV)
  • Measles, mumps and rubella (MMR)
  • Varicella (Chickenpox)
  • Pneumococcal (PCV)
  • Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib)
  • Rotavirus
  • Hepatitis B (Hep B)
  • Hepatitis A (Hep A)
  • Human papillomavirus (HPV)
  • Meningococcal (MenACWY)
  • Meningococcal B (MenB)
I think there is an element of overkill to it and profiteering to push it, how can anyone know if all these shots are going to react with a child's immune system, of which we are finding all sorts of new things, how it links to the stomach, and then the brain.

People like me who are vaccine sceptics probably believe in a more natural, holistic view of health, as I said before I use antibiotics and they have side effect risks, but it's a bit simpler than vaccines. Time and again big pharma have been caught up to no good, tricks with the data for example, hiding things they'd rather people didn't see.

No one is against something that is safe, required to help or improves their lifetime health.
 
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People like me who are vaccine sceptics probably believe in a more natural, holistic view of health

I agree 110% with this view.

I wonder where an ever-increasing list of vaccines is coming from, why and where it will lead to. Natural selection, natural immunity and evolution might have meant a stronger human race. I believe we have enough evidence throughout history regarding viruses and plagues to argue we would or maybe would have survived any disease.

If diseases are getting stronger and more prevalent how did we make it this far?

I wonder if we are diluting our immune systems and gene pool.

Not saying for one minute we shoudnt help the afflicted or suffering with science but this approach just feels a wrong and im unable to make much sense of it myself.
 
I agree 110% with this view.

I wonder where an ever-increasing list of vaccines is coming from, why and where it will lead to. Natural selection, natural immunity and evolution might have meant a stronger human race. I believe we have enough evidence throughout history regarding viruses and plagues to argue we would or maybe would have survived any disease.

If diseases are getting stronger and more prevalent how did we make it this far?

I wonder if we are diluting our immune systems and gene pool.

Not saying for one minute we shoudnt help the afflicted or suffering with science but this approach just feels a wrong and im unable to make much sense of it myself.

I think a lot of the diseases came from squalor and poor hygiene, vaccination takes a lot of claim for the drop in cases [eg polio] but at the same time fresh, clean water was starting to become available and proper waste systems, antibiotics and antiseptics etc..so I think it was the mix of things.

Even louis pasteur changed his mind I believe, I don't object to the scientists doing their research and discoveries, but we also need to make sure to take care of our health through natural means as well, nature provides us with a lot, substances that can be used to create medicines etc..

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I think a lot of the diseases came from squalor and poor hygiene, vaccination takes a lot of claim for the drop in cases [eg polio] but at the same time fresh, clean water was starting to become available and proper waste systems, antibiotics and antiseptics etc..so I think it was the mix of things.

Even louis pasteur changed his mind I believe, I don't object to the scientists doing their research and discoveries, but we also need to make sure to take care of our health through natural means as well, nature provides us with a lot, substances that can be used to create medicines etc..

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I hear some plants are more fun than others. ;)

It also has alot of medical applications.
But they usually dont include the fun part of the plant.
 
ah that seems a shame, there was an article in the new york times a while back, about the possibility that people who have already had covid may experience worse adverse effects from the covid vaccines. [not dangerous different effects just more intense]

If you've already got the antibodies you might have years of naturally acquired protection, which is broader than the vax, I think I read though that the antibodies only circulate for a while, but the immune system memory can produce them again quickly if you come into contact with the virus again.

Yes, my thoughts were if I already had the antibodies I could avoid getting the vaccine and just rely on the natural protection. Fortunately, there is a community health facility across the street, so I'll try and get an appointment there.

The doctor said he shut down his office for 3 months last year due to the covid. I brought up with all the mask wearing, social distancing and anti-bacterial dispensers everywhere the flu cases must be way down and he said he has not treated one case.
 
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Oxford Uni covid risk.

At 51, with asthma and a bit overweight, I have 1 in 7900 chance of dying if I get covid.

Do I really need a vaccine with a 1/200 adverse event rate NO!!!!!

Anyone in their 40s have a 1/50000, in their 30s 1/200000, in their 20s 1/1000000 chance of covid death.

Stop this vaccine madness, and lockdown madness.

Its literally burning down the whole village for a wasp nest in one roof!!!
 
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Oxford Uni covid risk.

At 51, with asthma and a bit overweight, I have 1 in 7900 chance of dying if I get covid.

Do I really need a vaccine with a 1/200 adverse event rate NO!!!!!

Anyone in their 40s have a 1/50000, in their 30s 1/200000, in their 20s 1/1000000 chance of covid death.

Stop this vaccine madness, and lockdown madness.

Its literally burning down the whole village for a wasp nest in one roof!!!
Don't have it then?
 
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Oxford Uni covid risk.

At 51, with asthma and a bit overweight, I have 1 in 7900 chance of dying if I get covid.

Do I really need a vaccine with a 1/200 adverse event rate NO!!!!!

Anyone in their 40s have a 1/50000, in their 30s 1/200000, in their 20s 1/1000000 chance of covid death.

Stop this vaccine madness, and lockdown madness.

Its literally burning down the whole village for a wasp nest in one roof!!!
Just get on with it you pussy or you will get it in the face! :P

 
We had better ban driving and lockdown our cars , its more dangerous than covid for anyone under 60!! View attachment 152547
Why? There's already restrictions in place for driving. Have to wear seat belts. Have to stick to certain speeds. Cars have to have certain safety features, cars have to be safe.
As usual you make up things those, it doesn't say 'under 60' it says under 60's with no health conditions. Why do you always have to talk so much shite?
What were the figures compared to those who did have health conditions, considering eczema and hayfever (who most people would class as healthy) are classed as pre-existing conditions in regard to Coronavirus deaths.
 
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Given the amount of movies made over the past many decades it does not surprise me that a few old movies hit the mark when it comes to real events many years later.

Given the basic idea of there being a pandemic that threatens the world the rest of the events could easily be replicated into the storyline given that the scenarios that where already known as quite possible both from virology studies and other professional bodies studies.

For that reason I do not think there is enough evidence to suggest that we have been told many times about their "plans" via movies.
It is spooky though
 
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Results from the
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of the Oxford-AstraZeneca Covid vaccine are out and confirm that the shot is both safe and highly effective.
"More than 32,000 volunteers took part, mostly in America, but also in Chile and Peru.
The vaccine was 79% effective at stopping symptomatic Covid disease and 100% effective at preventing people from falling seriously ill"



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Oxford Uni covid risk.

At 51, with asthma and a bit overweight, I have 1 in 7900 chance of dying if I get covid.

Do I really need a vaccine with a 1/200 adverse event rate NO!!!!!

Anyone in their 40s have a 1/50000, in their 30s 1/200000, in their 20s 1/1000000 chance of covid death.

Stop this vaccine madness, and lockdown madness.

Its literally burning down the whole village for a wasp nest in one roof!!!

I hope you enjoy holidaying in the UK then.

There won't be many countries that will allow you in without it.
 
"Exemptions also apply including for those needing to travel for work, study, for legal obligations or to vote, if they are moving, selling or renting property, for some childcare reasons or to be present at a birth, to visit a dying relative or close friend, to attend a funeral, for those getting married or to attend the wedding of a close relative, for medical appointments or to escape a risk of harm."

Sounds like anyone who wants to take a trip can just pick a reason from the above list and take the trip.
Like they are going to check if someone is pregnant, getting married etc.
 
This is rather all bollocks in my opinion. You have the Government saying get the vaccination so that we can get back to some sort of normality, but it then continues to restrict and now extends freedom of movement. This personally effects me because I can't visit my family abroad.
I can see their point though. They were wrong not to close the borders a year ago, it's clear we were much harder hit because of this. Other countries are massively behind us in terms of vaccines, and the last thing we want is a new vaccine resistant strain getting into the country and us having to go back into lockdown.
They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. They are going to get shit whichever way they go.
 
This is rather all bollocks in my opinion. You have the Government saying get the vaccination so that we can get back to some sort of normality, but it then continues to restrict and now extends freedom of movement. This personally effects me because I can't visit my family abroad.
Sorry, but I disagree. The money and huge effort that has been invested in this UK vaccination programme CANNOT be jeopardized by allowing mass travel overseas, especially to Europe where it's now out of control and has a hopelessly inept vaccination system. In those conditions, it's possible, nay even likely, a new variant will arise there which would inevitably be carried back here even if all UK citizens allowed overseas were vaccinated. The vaccine may have (as the USA tests on the OAZ one showed) a 100% success rate in preventing hospitalization and serious illness, but if this changed due to variants we'd be back to square one, with another 6-12 months of restrictions and/or lockdowns while another vaccine is tweaked then administered. This is something no country can afford financially or societally.

And yes, I was looking forward to visiting Amsterdam and going to the RAI this October but won't bother booking it. The UK govt. will do the right thing this time and travel will be banned.
 

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